Re: CSProbiotic Question

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 5/10/2006 11:37:09 PM Central Standard Time, 
edkas...@pacbell.net writes:
for a full analysis of what constitutes kombucha mushroom
tea see my site
http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kombucha.htm
Ed -- I have a question for you on this topic, if you don't mind?  I tried 
making and using Kombucha tea for a while, sometime back, and had to quit.  I 
couldn't drink the stuff because of the slimy threads that seemed to be part of 
the liquid that I couldn't prevent, and couldn't strain out.  I really liked 
the taste of the tea, but couldn't get past the organics -- makes me gag to 
think about it.  What do you do to solve this problem?   MA

RE: CSProbiotic Question

[Dan Nave]

I don't know exactly, but my impression is that this is only good for
people with certain type of constitutions, for example those that can
tolerate and feel improvement from drinking vinegar. We tried this for
quite a while a number of years ago and didn't feel that there was any
benefit for us.  Perhaps it provides good benefits for people who are
deprived of certain vitamins, etc...

Although it did pique my interest in making wine out of tea (without
the vinegar taste though).

Just my experience.

Dan



 Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 5/10/2006 11:36:52 PM 
If you are interested in kombucha mushroom tea then I don't
recommend that place - only because they recommend using
apple-cider vinegar which is definitely a no-no. Apple
cider is along the lines of mother-of-vinegar and is a
different species of yeasts and bacteria than kombucha.
These are naturally occurring yeasts ands bacteria in apples
and do make an excellent health drink but it is not kombucha
mushroom tea.
for a full analysis of what constitutes kombucha mushroom
tea see my site
http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kombucha.htm 

as a note many people give kombucha away just like other
probiotics (kefir and tibicos) don't be afraid to ask, you
may be surprised what your neighbor is doing.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.




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From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSProbiotic Question


http://www.earthcalls.com/kombucha/page5.shtml#Price 

I have no idea if this is a good place, and I've never
had the tea before either, but when I was searching,
this site was much less expensive than the other that
I found.

 Pat



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Re: CSProbiotic Question

[KSKIEFERDO]

 
In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:06:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
edkas...@pacbell.net writes:

Mother of  Vinegar and Kombucha are Different. may look very  similar.


does anyone know of where to get starters of either of these?
 
Karen

Re: CSProbiotic Question

[Pat]

http://www.earthcalls.com/kombucha/page5.shtml#Price

I have no idea if this is a good place, and I've never
had the tea before either, but when I was searching,
this site was much less expensive than the other that
I found.

 Pat


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RE: CSProbiotic Question

[Ed Kasper]

Mother of vinegar is available at most beer and wine hobby shops. Takes
several months to make. Kombucha only takes 1-2 weeks. see
http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATSCategory=3
that is my own web site. where I sell everything for the kombucha
enthusiast. A non-commercial informational site is
http://users.bestweb.net/~om/~kombu/starts.html
Brewing Kombucha Pictures online
http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm

Enjoy Your Health,

Ed Kasper L.Ac.
California Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
www.HappyHerbalist.com   e...@happyherbalist.com


  -Original Message-
  From: kskiefe...@aol.com [mailto:kskiefe...@aol.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:09 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSProbiotic Question


  In a message dated 5/5/2006 12:06:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
edkas...@pacbell.net writes:
Mother of Vinegar and Kombucha are Different. may look very similar.
  does anyone know of where to get starters of either of these?

  Karen

RE: CSProbiotic Question

[Ed Kasper]

If you are interested in kombucha mushroom tea then I don't
recommend that place - only because they recommend using
apple-cider vinegar which is definitely a no-no. Apple
cider is along the lines of mother-of-vinegar and is a
different species of yeasts and bacteria than kombucha.
These are naturally occurring yeasts ands bacteria in apples
and do make an excellent health drink but it is not kombucha
mushroom tea.
for a full analysis of what constitutes kombucha mushroom
tea see my site
http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kombucha.htm

as a note many people give kombucha away just like other
probiotics (kefir and tibicos) don't be afraid to ask, you
may be surprised what your neighbor is doing.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.




-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSProbiotic Question


http://www.earthcalls.com/kombucha/page5.shtml#Price

I have no idea if this is a good place, and I've never
had the tea before either, but when I was searching,
this site was much less expensive than the other that
I found.

 Pat



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Re: CSProbiotic Question

[GMetropulo]

I have yet to find a kefir that tasstes good to the kids. I also thought that 
Koumbucha tea had caffiene and should not be given to children.

RE: CSProbiotic Question

[Ed Kasper]

Mother of Vinegar and Kombucha are Different. may look very similar. Both
are extremely healthy. Mother of vinegar and kombucha have the same bacteria
different yeasts. Mother of vinegar uses predominately an anaerobic (without
oxygen) yeasts and kombucha yeasts are aerobic (with oxygen) yeasts, One
yeasts grows by fission one by budding. Mother of vinegar takes months,
kombucha 1-2 weeks. Mother of vinegar usually over 4% acetic acid with a pH
2.5, Kombucha acetic acid 2% and a pH 3.0 less leaching better tasting.
Different acids and nutrients are formed. Kombucha while being acid pH 3.0
is an alkaline-forming food and will (according to Dr Barefoot) balance
one's pH. You can test the results yourself using pH strips. Usually within
30-60 days. According to German researcher (Guenther Frank) alcohol over 20%
[or Colloidal Silver) will kill the yeasts and bacteria yet kombucha still
produces some amazing health benefits therefore the health benefits are
often attributed to the acids that are produced.

Helps a lot of people especially with fatigue and mobility.

Ed Kasper LAc.
Santa Cruz, CA



 -Original Message-
From: Dennis Gulenchin [mailto:dgulenc...@mts.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSProbiotic Question


  Ed,
  Is there not a way of creating your own mushroom from the mother of apple
cider vinegar? I remember reading about this procedure some time ago but not
sure which list it was on.
  Dennis

  Ed Kasper wrote:

two of the best non-commercial sites
Dom's Kefir site
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

and the
Weston A Price Foundation
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

Besides the sour kraut and typical fermented foods there's Caspian Sea
Yogurt - which requires no cooking and is smooth and drinkable. Kefir again
no cooking just straining which is a powerhouse and even my 3 and 8 year
olds will ask for it! There's also Kombucha Tea (recommended by Dr Robert
Barefoot/ Calcium Factor) KT is a longer ferment typically 6-8 days and
produces a sparkling apple cider-like tea. How to make kombucha Tea at my
site http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm.

The best thing is that once you get started its really easily, and cheap
to make your own. And there's a lot of help at the newsgroups. You may even
ask for  gift - as some of the members do gladly give starters away.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done





  From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)
Subject: CSProbiotic Question
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +


Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of
pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of them I don't
know who to trust...thank in advance debbie

Re: CSProbiotic Question

[ruth strackbein]

Thanks to all who have responded to my probiotic question. Am reading your information with interest. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: Dennis Gulenchin dgulenc...@mts.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSProbiotic QuestionDate: Thu, 04 May 2006 23:52:20 -0500
Ed,Is there not a way of creating your own mushroom from the mother of apple cider vinegar? I remember reading about this procedure some time ago but not sure which list it was on.DennisEd Kasper wrote:

two of the best non-commercial sites
Dom's Kefir site
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

and the 
Weston A Price Foundation 
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

Besides the sour kraut and typical fermented foods there's Caspian Sea Yogurt - which requires no cooking and is smooth and drinkable. Kefir again no cooking just straining which is a powerhouse and even my 3 and 8 year olds will ask for it! There's also Kombucha Tea (recommended by Dr Robert Barefoot/ Calcium Factor) KT is a longer ferment typically 6-8 days and produces a sparkling apple cider-like tea. How to make kombucha Tea at my site http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm.

The best thing is that once you get started its really easily, and cheap to make your own. And there's a lot of help at the newsgroups. You may even ask for gift - as some of the members do gladly give starters away.


Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  HerbalistAcupuncture is a jab well done


From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)Subject: CSProbiotic QuestionDate: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +
Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of them I don't know who to trust...thank in advance debbie


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Re: CSProbiotic Question

[Dennis Gulenchin]

Ed,
Is there not a way of creating your own mushroom from the mother of 
apple cider vinegar? I remember reading about this procedure some time 
ago but not sure which list it was on.

Dennis

Ed Kasper wrote:


two of the best non-commercial sites
Dom's Kefir site
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html 
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/%7Edna/kefirpage.html
 
and the

Weston A Price Foundation
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html
 
Besides the sour kraut and typical fermented foods there's Caspian Sea 
Yogurt - which requires no cooking and is smooth and drinkable. Kefir 
again no cooking just straining which is a powerhouse and even my 3 
and 8 year olds will ask for it! There's also Kombucha Tea 
(recommended by Dr Robert Barefoot/ Calcium Factor) KT is a longer 
ferment typically 6-8 days and produces a sparkling apple cider-like 
tea. How to make kombucha Tea at my site 
http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm.
 
The best thing is that once you get started its really easily, and 
cheap to make your own. And there's a lot of help at the newsgroups. 
You may even ask for  gift - as some of the members do gladly give 
starters away.
 


Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done




From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)
Subject: CSProbiotic Question
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +

Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of
pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of
them I don't know who to trust...thank in advance debbie

RE: CSProbiotic Question

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Debbie, I'm interested in pro-biotic, too. And am just as puzzled as you are. I did look up the site you gave me re alternative medicine places in Minnesota. The only one that is possible at all for me would be the one in Mankato. I haven't driven there in several years. Just get too tired and hands get stiff while driving. I am considering trying out the chiropractor in Winthrop which is just 8 miles away. One lady in our congregation recommended him highly, but I have been to so many of those without significant help, that I have hesitated. Have cut down the Seroquel to 1/2 dose and already felt more sprightly this morning. Dr. didn't want me to cut down for another month, but I am tired of being so tired! LOL. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)Subject: CSProbiotic QuestionDate: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +
Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of them I don't know who to trust...thank in advance debbie


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RE: CSProbiotic Question

[Ed Kasper]

two of the best non-commercial sites
Dom's Kefir site
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

and the
Weston A Price Foundation
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

Besides the sour kraut and typical fermented foods there's Caspian Sea
Yogurt - which requires no cooking and is smooth and drinkable. Kefir again
no cooking just straining which is a powerhouse and even my 3 and 8 year
olds will ask for it! There's also Kombucha Tea (recommended by Dr Robert
Barefoot/ Calcium Factor) KT is a longer ferment typically 6-8 days and
produces a sparkling apple cider-like tea. How to make kombucha Tea at my
site http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm.

The best thing is that once you get started its really easily, and cheap to
make your own. And there's a lot of help at the newsgroups. You may even ask
for  gift - as some of the members do gladly give starters away.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done




  From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)
Subject: CSProbiotic Question
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +


Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of
pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of them I don't
know who to trust...thank in advance debbie

RE: CSProbiotic Question

[debbiegerard99]

thank you Ed :)...debbie

-- Original message -- 
From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net 

two of the best non-commercial sites
Dom's Kefir site
http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

and the 
Weston A Price Foundation 
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html

Besides the sour kraut and typical fermented foods there's Caspian Sea Yogurt - 
which requires no cooking and is smooth and drinkable. Kefir again no cooking 
just straining which is a powerhouse and even my 3 and 8 year olds will ask for 
it! There's also Kombucha Tea (recommended by Dr Robert Barefoot/ Calcium 
Factor) KT is a longer ferment typically 6-8 days and produces a sparkling 
apple cider-like tea. How to make kombucha Tea at my site 
http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm.

The best thing is that once you get started its really easily, and cheap to 
make your own. And there's a lot of help at the newsgroups. You may even ask 
for  gift - as some of the members do gladly give starters away.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done



From Ruth Strackbein


From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com (Unknown)
Subject: CSProbiotic Question
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:48:00 +


Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of pro-biotic...their 
seems to be so much bad press on some of them I don't know who to trust...thank 
in advance debbie

Re: CSProbiotic Question

[Maryau Jeune]

Hi Debbie:

I started doing my own probiotic using Kefir grains 
(http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html).  But since this 
whole Candida episode started, I decided I'd cease from ingesting any 
dairy products for a while and move to including more protein in my diet 
(similar to a paleolithic diet).


Today, I use cultured cabbage juice as a probiotic.  I must say that it 
is an acquired taste; but for me, it almost tastes like lemonade with 
some fizz.  Here's a link explaining how to make it:: 
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/09/18/cultured_cabbage_juice_make_the_best_lactobacteria.htm 
.


If you prefer, you can always juice the cabbage and drink the juice, but 
allowing it to culture (to ferment) for 2 days or so helps it to become 
more potent.  It might get very 'odorous' while fermenting due to the 
sulfur it contains; I avoid that by covering it with surround wrap, then 
by screwing a cap on it, but not too tightly.


Good luck. :)

Maryau

debbiegerar...@comcast.net wrote:
*Could someone be so kind to advise me on a good source of 
pro-biotic...their seems to be so much bad press on some of them I 
don't know who to trust...thank in advance debbie*