Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
My mother was killed by a doctor as well. She started feel bad so I told her to take colloidal silver. But it made her sick (which it had never done before), and I could never convince her that she had something serious since she was getting a herx, and that since she was getting a herx, it was taking care of the problem. She went for about 6 months with the doctor telling her she was fine and refusing to take any CS, until finally when she collapsed, she was diagnosed as having cancer. The doctor wanted to give her chemo, but I insisted that if he did he would kill her in less than a week. I begged her to not take chemo, and to try B17, CS and other things that would help kill the cancer without killing her. But the doctor convinced her to do the chemo. It kille her in less than 48 hours. Things would have been much easier and less expensive if she had simply gone and found someone to shoot her in the head. She suffered a heck of a lot those last 2 days at the hands of the hospital's quacks. Marshall Orpha Yoder wrote: > My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not > until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow > test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication > he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. > > Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice > or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his > death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural > supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular > occurrence here in America. > > I am thankful for doctors for emergencies and other times that we may need > them, I just do not depend on them to enhance my health. > > Best regards, > Orpha > > www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth > 3 John 2 > > - Original Message - > From: "Marshall Dudley" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > > Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns > a > > stethoscope than a gun. > > > > Marshall > > > > Orpha Yoder wrote: > > > > > Leading killer in America: Heart Disease > > > > > > Second leading killer: Cancer > > > > > > Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . > > > > > > Sobering facts. > > > > > > - Orpha > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jack Dayton" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > > > > > > Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! > > > Aspirin > > > > > causes hundreds, or more, every year. > > > > *** > > > > So do doctors and pharmacists > > > > and hospitals... > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Once a day.. or whenever I think of it or I go somewhere and there's pollen on it. Whet finger and wipe some off and lick finger. Ode At 08:54 AM 8/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >How often do you have to lick your windshield? > >Dan > > > > >Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:18:15 > > > > > I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to >have the local pollen in it. > Later, I would just lick my windshield once. Worked for me. No more >allergic reactions. > The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind >blowing. The rivers run yellow! It still works something like breathing >pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore. > >Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold. >Ode > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Thank you, Catherine! I want to keep my emotions in check but the pain is real and brings tears to my eyes yet . . . it was so sad to see my uncle and close friend go . . . he had 4 beautiful children and a wife that loved him dearly, they were devastated! This happened about 8 years ago, before I knew much about Colloidal Silver and some of the other marvelous products that I use now. Truth is stranger then fiction . . . the amazing story for my uncle's widowed wife, Sarann, is that she is now married to my brother!!! No, my brother did not marry his aunt, but his uncle's wife They are very happily married and have been married for 5 years. They are now expecting their 3rd child. This will make child number 7 for the house! Yes, they are blest! Really, can you imagine how this messed up the family tree? So my aunt is now my sister-in-law and my cousins are my nieces and nephews . . . but they are very happy and it does you good be around the family. The children have adjusted well, they talk about their daddy in heaven, and they call my brother daddy - he is their daddy on earth. To the rest of you, sorry about the diversion from Colloidal Silver! Hey, I figured some of these technical minds need a break on the group here! Best wishes to all! Orpha www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth 3 John 2 - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > Dear Orpha, > > > You said: > > < not > until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow > test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication > he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. > > Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice > or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his > death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural > supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular > occurrence here in America.>> > > > ** This is a powerful statement, not just because of the message, but > because of how simply it is stated without the emotional content. The truth > in it stands out because of these things. > > Regards, > Catherine > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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Dear Orpha, You said: <> ** This is a powerful statement, not just because of the message, but because of how simply it is stated without the emotional content. The truth in it stands out because of these things. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular occurrence here in America. I am thankful for doctors for emergencies and other times that we may need them, I just do not depend on them to enhance my health. Best regards, Orpha www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth 3 John 2 - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns a > stethoscope than a gun. > > Marshall > > Orpha Yoder wrote: > > > Leading killer in America: Heart Disease > > > > Second leading killer: Cancer > > > > Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . > > > > Sobering facts. > > > > - Orpha > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Dayton" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > > > > Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: > > > > > > > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! > > Aspirin > > > > causes hundreds, or more, every year. > > > *** > > > So do doctors and pharmacists > > > and hospitals... > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >
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I've posted on this before, but hay fever allergies can have a root cause of a food allergy eaten frequently that causes hypersensitivity to pollens. The pulse test can help you find food allergies- eat a single food for breakfast, take your pulse before and after 30 minutes- an appreciable rise ( 8-10 BPM) in resting pulse rate indicates an allergy. All the symptoms of hay fever can be treated by eating tripe (cow stomach) every day for 2-3 weeks. It tastes good cooked with ginger. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Ode Coyote 8/25/03 5:11 AM Wrote: > they say "Don't do it"..and if you do, we'll > toss you in jail. ** There was a song, a few lines of which were as follows: "... if it makes you happy it's wrong - wrong - wrong, if it makes you happy it's wrong." Talk about spoil sports. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns a stethoscope than a gun. Marshall Orpha Yoder wrote: > Leading killer in America: Heart Disease > > Second leading killer: Cancer > > Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . > > Sobering facts. > > - Orpha > > - Original Message - > From: "Jack Dayton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > > Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: > > > > > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! > Aspirin > > > causes hundreds, or more, every year. > > *** > > So do doctors and pharmacists > > and hospitals... > > > > Jack > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
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Yup The social order likes to take sortcuts. If you CAN get in trouble, be it sex, drugs or loud music , they say "Don't do it"..and if you do, we'll toss you in jail. You never get the truth about the risks so sensible decisions can be made. You just get a lot of propaganda and moralizing using extremely distorted facts to back it up. Of course, when the "facts" don't add up, any curious kid is going to try and find out for themselves. Well, being stupid has it's own consequences and people can learn. Jail doesn't discriminate..it hurts everyone. "They" are attempting to make the world so safe that no one will have to 'think' about anything to stay alive and unharmed. Ya had better not walk off the trail. You may discover that you never learned how to walk. But you won't know that till you stumble a few times. Crikey! I've seen whole families just walk right up to the edge of a cliff without checking the stability of the ground! I've seen people run down mountains! ...and not a single thought about how it's 150 roadless, cell phoneless miles to the nearest hospital. Just the other day a whole family just walked out in front of traffic on US 421 without even looking. They 'expected' that drivers [running 60-65 MPH] would stop for them and no thought at all about what might happen if they didn't. Well, they were right...that time. You think maybe they'd trade one of their kids in for a 'settlement'? [on purpose?] Good golly, people are getting dumber than deer. ..and count on people just like them to look out for them? Just shoot me and get it over with. PS, Where do I go to sue a deer? Ode >* >Hey fella, if you want to preach common sense >and individual responsability you better be >careful who hears you. >People have been shot for that sort of thing. > >Jack > >There was a period of about 30 years ( that I >know of ) Ken, when a person could buy one form >or another of amphetamine sulphate -- >Benzadrine or Dexadrine -- >bennies or dexies, and actually use it >for it's intended purpose staying >awake ! > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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I can check with the chemists but I believe that meth is easy enough to make from fairly easily obtained and inexpensive base chemicals that using commerical pills as a starter would not be economical. It's a dangerous process but not a hard one. Are you sure they're making "methamphetamine" and not just concentrating pseudo-ephedrine into a crystaline form? They are definately making meth. And they are definately using pseuphedrine and other cold pills as part of the base - takes other chemicals as well. Smells like a sewer when they make the stuff - set up labs often in temporary sites, like rent a hotel room for a week, move when folks start complaining about the smell. Do it in a mobil home that they keep moving. That kind of thing. Mobil home or hotel rental work well since they have to move around to get enough of the pseuphedrine. Cops are finding labs by watching the pseuphedrine sales - mandatory reporting on multiple packages bought at one store. All sales videorecorded. They track back from the sale to find the buyer, and trace the lab from that. Its the new cash "crop" of SEK. Lots of burnt out farmers have a lab going in a back barn There may be other ways for chemists to get the chemicals, but around here either folks don't know how to get the stuff another way, or this is the only"recipe" they know. Its big business around here. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Back in the 70s pills were sold instead of Benzadrine or Dexadrine as they looked very much the same with a cross on it. They were made to look that way on purpose and sold in the backs of comic books and magazines by the thousand. Take two and feel your skin crawl..check out that headache! I can check with the chemists but I believe that meth is easy enough to make from fairly easily obtained and inexpensive base chemicals that using commerical pills as a starter would not be economical. It's a dangerous process but not a hard one. The meth the State students were making way back when smelled just like styrofoam. Are you sure they're making "methamphetamine" and not just concentrating pseudo-ephedrine into a crystaline form? Now, that would be some pretty dangerous stuff if it was mis represented and sold to someone with no common sense. Meth isn't especially dangerous..it's the no common sense part that's dangerous. BTW, that was the herb- ephedra. [not ephedrine] I'm surprised that Foxglove digitalis hasn't made the menu. Ode At 08:40 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >> Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized >> chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for >> cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always >> trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive >> prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' >> methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the >> difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of >> stimulant] > > >Here in SEK there are tons of little meth labs out in the rural areas. >They actually use the pseudophed tablets as part of the base of the >meth, mixed with various chemicals into a soup that is then crystalized >into meth. So they don't sell the cold pills instead of meth, they use >them in producing meth. Its one of the main ingredients. Thats why >those of us with legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its >cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which I >often go through in 4 days, and is much more expensive than when I used >to be able to buy a bottle of 96 or more of them. Frustrating. Plus, >you have to buy it at the pharmacy window - its not on the shelves, so >you have to stand in line for fifteen minutes or so to get the stuff. >And if you're back within a week, which i am during allergy season, they >look at you real funny and ask questions. Groan. Joy > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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How often do you have to lick your windshield? Dan Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:18:15 I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to have the local pollen in it. Later, I would just lick my windshield once. Worked for me. No more allergic reactions. The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind blowing. The rivers run yellow! It still works something like breathing pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore. Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to have the local pollen in it. Later, I would just lick my windshield once. Worked for me. No more allergic reactions. The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind blowing. The rivers run yellow! It still works something like breathing pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore. Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold. Ode At 02:44 PM 8/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic >remedies. >>They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, >>etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food >>store might be useful. > > >Dean said: > >them.>> > > > ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are >a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. >Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding >the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for >allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy >is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at >the core of one's constitution. > > If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to >a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in >addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores >are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the >entire homeopathic philosophy. > >Regards, >Catherine > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Still a patch--- I would go with a colon cleanse -- then a parasite cleanse. Then a good vitamin- like barleymax, etc. I would do allergy testing on myself, using the pulse method-with particular attention to gluten and milk products. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:13:45 -0700 *** If the problem is a pollen, then find a LOCAL bee keeper who will sell you some RAW,UNFILTERED, WILD FLOWER honey. IT REALLY WORKS ! Jack _ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Well, Hyland's Hay Fever remedy surely worked for me, and those I offered it to. Traditional (Orthdox) homeopaths do not believe in using combination remedies, but in only using those individual remedies that work on the constitution to correct something that isn't working right. (I think.) I'm sure that there is a better explanation, but my point is to use what works for you. They are cheap, often effective and have no side effects. Certainly worth a try. If they didn't work on a majority of users they could not continue to offer them. Unless you want to believe that its all just placebo effect. (They work on animals too, but maybe that's because the owner believes it will.) Dick - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > >People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic > remedies. > >They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, > >etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food > >store might be useful. > > > Dean said: > > < someone could provide a list, because I'm sure I haven't tried all of > them.>> > > > ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are > a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. > Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding > the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for > allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy > is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at > the core of one's constitution. > > If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to > a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in > addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores > are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the > entire homeopathic philosophy. > > Regards, > Catherine > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dick Rochon 8/23/03 9:18 AM Wrote: > People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. *** If the problem is a pollen, then find a LOCAL bee keeper who will sell you some RAW,UNFILTERED, WILD FLOWER honey. IT REALLY WORKS ! Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Ode Coyote 8/23/03 4:28 AM Wrote: > Did you know that MOST people who use addictive substances don't get > addicted?..like maybe they have enough brains and restraint to acknowledge > the dangers and take steps to prevent falling? * Hey fella, if you want to preach common sense and individual responsability you better be careful who hears you. People have been shot for that sort of thing. Jack There was a period of about 30 years ( that I know of ) Ken, when a person could buy one form or another of amphetamine sulphate -- Benzadrine or Dexadrine -- bennies or dexies, and actually use it for it's intended purpose staying awake ! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Leading killer in America: Heart Disease Second leading killer: Cancer Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . . Sobering facts. - Orpha - Original Message - From: "Jack Dayton" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: > > > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin > > causes hundreds, or more, every year. > *** > So do doctors and pharmacists > and hospitals... > > Jack > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dick Rochon 8/22/03 11:07 AM Wrote: > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin > causes hundreds, or more, every year. *** So do doctors and pharmacists and hospitals... Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Dean, There may be natural means other then homeopathic to help you with your allergies . . . my friend, Maryann, has a young boy who had terrible allergies, she found that when he took several capsules of MSM a day, he was basically allergy free! When they ran out of MSM, the allergies came back full force. Now they buy MSM in larger quantities so that they do not run out so quickly. I have another friend, Darrius, from Ohio who found that clinical grade Coral Calcium along with Noni Juice and a liquid vitamin blend called Body Force gave him a lot of relief. He also takes an HGH booster to stimulate the pituitary gland to release more of the human growth hormone which is also your human repair hormone. There is an essential oil blend called Harmony that has helped my niece, Jennifer. Her parents did not have the MSM and some of these other products but decided to try the essential oil blend and she was very happy with the results! If you want a list of oils in this blend, let me know and I will send it to you. If you check with your health food store, you may be able to find some of these products. If you work through a good company, they guarantee your satisfaction so that if you are not pleased, you get your money back. This way you have nothing to lose and maybe your better health to gain!!! Best wishes, Orpha www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth 3 John 2 - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > >People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic > remedies. > >They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, > >etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food > >store might be useful. > > > Dean said: > > < someone could provide a list, because I'm sure I haven't tried all of > them.>> > > > ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are > a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. > Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding > the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for > allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy > is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at > the core of one's constitution. > > If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to > a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in > addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores > are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the > entire homeopathic philosophy. > > Regards, > Catherine > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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>People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. >They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, >etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food >store might be useful. Dean said: <> ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at the core of one's constitution. If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the entire homeopathic philosophy. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:18:37 -0700, "Dick Rochon" wrote: >People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. >They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, >etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food >store might be useful. None of the homeopathics I've tried have ever worked for me. Perhaps someone could provide a list, because I'm sure I haven't tried all of them. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food store might be useful. Dick - Original Message - From: "Sara Joy" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > > > > Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized > > chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for > > cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always > > trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive > > prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' > > methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the > > difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of > > stimulant] > > > Here in SEK there are tons of little meth labs out in the rural areas. > They actually use the pseudophed tablets as part of the base of the > meth, mixed with various chemicals into a soup that is then crystalized > into meth. So they don't sell the cold pills instead of meth, they use > them in producing meth. Its one of the main ingredients. Thats why > those of us with legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its > cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which I > often go through in 4 days, and is much more expensive than when I used > to be able to buy a bottle of 96 or more of them. Frustrating. Plus, > you have to buy it at the pharmacy window - its not on the shelves, so > you have to stand in line for fifteen minutes or so to get the stuff. > And if you're back within a week, which i am during allergy season, they > look at you real funny and ask questions. Groan. Joy > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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At 08:40 AM 8/23/03, you wrote: legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which And here in the USA since they did away with phenylproponalimine hydrochloride (the FDA claimed teenage girls abused it for crash diets and died of hemmoraging (I used it for 30 years with no adverse reactions)) there is no over the counter alternative BUT pseudophedrine for runny noses. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of stimulant] Here in SEK there are tons of little meth labs out in the rural areas. They actually use the pseudophed tablets as part of the base of the meth, mixed with various chemicals into a soup that is then crystalized into meth. So they don't sell the cold pills instead of meth, they use them in producing meth. Its one of the main ingredients. Thats why those of us with legitimate allergic type need for pseudophed, or its cheaper copycat versions, can only buy 24 or so at a time now - which I often go through in 4 days, and is much more expensive than when I used to be able to buy a bottle of 96 or more of them. Frustrating. Plus, you have to buy it at the pharmacy window - its not on the shelves, so you have to stand in line for fifteen minutes or so to get the stuff. And if you're back within a week, which i am during allergy season, they look at you real funny and ask questions. Groan. Joy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Interesting how big bucks allows this and fights that depending on who is accusing them. One dau big buck is the pharms, next day it's the supplement folks and , of course it's always special interest lobbiests. Regardless of what they're lobbying for or against, it takes big bucks to do it..so they're "it". The poor person screams "protect me from myself"! ..but you'd better not have any money to do it with. Is there a difference between the herb ephedrine and the synthesized chemical ephedrine..as in the analog chemical pseudo-ephedrine used for cold pills ..by big bucks 'over the counter' interests who are always trying to get drugs approved so you don't have to get an expensive prescription from the big bucks medical establishment? [and sold 'as' methamphetamine by unscuplulous dealers to people who don't know the difference between a cold pill, meth, caffine pills and any other form of stimulant] If someone gets rich, does that make you an idiot who can't read and do research? Is sales propaganda from any corner an iffallible and irresistable order to buy stuff without thinking about what it might be and eating it like candy? Next thing you know, McDonalds is going to get sued for making fat kids eat there f-i-v-e t-i-m-e-s a d-a-y. Fat kids must be pretty industrious to make $20-$25 a day to pay for that. Shucks, just think what a windfall a settlement could mean for Wendys. It's already been established that McDonalds made coffee a deady hot substance and floors were never slippery when wet before the big bucks insurance companies made you fall down. Of course herbs are always safe to consume like cows eat hay..they're natural! Pass me that hemlock soup please. Have a little mandrake on that? Protect me! Protect me! I'm poor and stupid! ..no wait..not like that! You're doing it wrong! You must be because I can't do anything at all anymore..and I'm still poor and stupid. [and just as greedy as I think you are..just not as good at it] Hey! You're rich! It's all your fault! I'm gonna sue! [so I can be a rich villain too] Where's my lobbiest!? PS Not all dealers are dishonest and some illicit drug manufacturors are very good conscientious chemists. Some actually go on to get PHDs and get into pharmeceutical research. I know for a fact that little labs operate as private little hobby projects at places like Eli Lilly. I know of a group that paid their way through collage that way. Pretty good meth at a good price. Did you know that MOST people who use addictive substances don't get addicted?..like maybe they have enough brains and restraint to acknowledge the dangers and take steps to prevent falling? Ode At 02:56 AM 8/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >C-SPAN2 has been carrying the "House Energy & Commerce Sub-committee on >Dietary Supplement Ephedra", revealing devastating consequences (like >death) from its use. Quite instructive on how big bucks has allowed >deleterious supplements to remain on the market. Metabolife, another >local company (San Diego), was started by a former convicted meth dealer >and knows who's palms need greasing to stay in business. Even has a >former mayor hawking its product on his #1-rated afternoon radio >program. >"... In his meth lab days Ellis had used ephedrine to make speed, today >he uses it to make dietary supplements in a more than $600 million >industry..." >http://www.anephedraattorneyforyou.com/html/fda.html >He, and other principals being investigated, are claiming 5th Amendment >rights. >High drama here. >jr > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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You are probably right. I was working from memory, which ain't as good as it use to be, but my figures on aspirin was way off too. It was 68,000 a year killed and 200,000 hospitalized. So, it doesn't change my point any. If they are actually trying to save peoples' lives, why fool around with ephedra, go after the big killers. The point is, all the news hype about ephedra and the silence about aspirin is for p-r-o-f-i-t. The pharmaceutical industry wants to shut down the food supplement and herbal industries to gain complete monopoly and control of the health industry. Plain and simple. Dick - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > Dear Dick, > > > You said: > > > < Aspirin > causes hundreds, or more, every year.>> > > > ** I think you may want to check your figures. > http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7180 > > > Metabolife and certain other companies have a tendency to put more than > one stimulant, or too much of a stimulant in their products. The > legislation being debated right now is geared to products or substances like > this where reports of adverse effects have been made. Have you read the > legislation? > > > Professional herbalists will be the first to tell you that ephedra should > not be available OTC.Used properly under the guidance of a professional, > ephedra can help with a number of conditions. > > >HerbMed has some info, including adverse effects and toxicology on > ephedra. > > > > http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb78.htm#Category5Herb78 > > Regards, > Catherine > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dear Dick, You said: <> ** I think you may want to check your figures. http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7180 Metabolife and certain other companies have a tendency to put more than one stimulant, or too much of a stimulant in their products. The legislation being debated right now is geared to products or substances like this where reports of adverse effects have been made. Have you read the legislation? Professional herbalists will be the first to tell you that ephedra should not be available OTC.Used properly under the guidance of a professional, ephedra can help with a number of conditions. HerbMed has some info, including adverse effects and toxicology on ephedra. http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb78.htm#Category5Herb78 Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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-Original message- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:07:14 -0700 From: "Dick Rochon" To: Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin causes hundreds, or more, every year. The Pharm industry is using this to get the FDA to put more controls on the supplements and herbals that seriously cut into their profits. The aim, of course, is to get all herbal and supplement products off the market, and only be available by prescription, in small doses. This has been done in Australia and European countries. If it happens here you can kiss goodbye your option to "cure" disease with alternative means. No more Linus Pauling therapy with Vitamin C and common amino acids that cured patients with terminal cancer and cardio vascular disease that needed heart bypass operations. No more Graviola, saw palmetto or Lycopene to cure prostate cancer. No more niacin to reduce cholestrol without statin drugs with dangerous side effects. Etc., etc. etc. Dick --- Right on, Dick! Ephedra gets a bad rap but in most cases I have heard of it was being abused or overdosed on. My SIL gave me an article in News and World Report(??) about herbs killing people, and claimed 105 people died in a year, mostly from Ephedra, I would guess, but my rebuttal was to send her a web article stating that NSAIDS (Non-steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) like aspirin and Tylenol killed 68,000 in one year and hospitalized 200,000 people, because of causing bleeding ulcers. I'll take herbs any day, and don't want the FDA telling me what to take or limiting my choices. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin causes hundreds, or more, every year. The Pharm industry is using this to get the FDA to put more controls on the supplements and herbals that seriously cut into their profits. The aim, of course, is to get all herbal and supplement products off the market, and only be available by prescription, in small doses. This has been done in Australia and European countries. If it happens here you can kiss goodbye your option to "cure" disease with alternative means. No more Linus Pauling therapy with Vitamin C and common amino acids that cured patients with terminal cancer and cardio vascular disease that needed heart bypass operations. No more Graviola, saw palmetto or Lycopene to cure prostate cancer. No more niacin to reduce cholestrol without statin drugs with dangerous side effects. Etc., etc. etc. Dick - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:56 AM Subject: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra > C-SPAN2 has been carrying the "House Energy & Commerce Sub-committee on > Dietary Supplement Ephedra", revealing devastating consequences (like > death) from its use. Quite instructive on how big bucks has allowed > deleterious supplements to remain on the market. Metabolife, another > local company (San Diego), was started by a former convicted meth dealer > and knows who's palms need greasing to stay in business. Even has a > former mayor hawking its product on his #1-rated afternoon radio > program. > "... In his meth lab days Ellis had used ephedrine to make speed, today > he uses it to make dietary supplements in a more than $600 million > industry..." > http://www.anephedraattorneyforyou.com/html/fda.html > He, and other principals being investigated, are claiming 5th Amendment > rights. > High drama here. > jr > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
