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Sounds like our local clinic here. The doctors are actually paid by a per patient $$ amount. The more they see, the more $$ they make. Pretty sick!! I haven't gone back for quite some time since the last fiasco where the jerk had the nerve to stand in the room with me with one hand on the door knob the whole time. I was so ticked off. He kept huffing everytime I had the nerve to ask him a question. I had the urge to choke him. Pictured myself with my hands on his throat. Not good. But just makes me so angry to be treated that way. Barb >> Sounds to me like a doctor shifting the blame from the ABX he prescribed. If this woman read the full FDA-mandated "labels" (sometimes they're more like books) on the drugs she took, chances are she'll find liver damage listed as a side effect on one or more. If she switched to CS from ABX and/or left a doctor's care (spelled receivables account), it's quite likely the MD (Money Doctor) would blame the CS for her later-discovered liver damage. Even if she only used CS supplementally, an MD is likely to blame whatever the patient did that wasn't by his instruction for any mishap that could have been caused by his actions. I have know many MDs and was once married to a very smart nurse, and in my experience MDs use the scientific method about as rigorously as your average 7-11 clerk. The few I have known who were scientific and logical in their approach were also those most interested in healing their patients and least interested in making money; also least likely to recommend or prescribe anything potentially damaging. One ear-ear-nose-throat specialist I once saw, who was also a plastic surgeon and head/neck cancer specialist, would not prescribe any antibiotic until he had a culture back from the lab and knew exactly what he was trying to eradicate. I once had a blocked eustachian tube that had filled my middle ear with mucus so that I was deaf in that ear for a month before I went to this doctor. He put an air tube up my nostril, closed the other, and told me to say K-K-K-K and... POP! the ear cleared. Then he told me to take Sudafed and use Afrin nasal spray (no antihistamines) for a couple of weeks until everything was drained, and showed me how to do the K-K-K-K trick myself. He gave me no ABX, and I never had to go back to him. Unfortunately, he is rare. Most doctors make snap judgments and follow routines based on what they did the last time, which was based on what a drug salesman told him. He's in such a hurry to make money that he never really listens to a patient, but hustles them in and out as fast as possible. He keeps the waiting room full with overbooked appointments to make the patients feel the urgency for his hurry, to make it look like he's got to get to other patients because there are so many of them. In truth, he has overbooked in order to squeeze as many fees into ever hour as possible to drive up his hourly revenue so he can knock off his hospital rounds and still have time for golf, opera, gambling, or whatever his favorite pasttime is. This stems from the method the AMA uses to screen med school applicants. They're chosen based on their academic overachievement, not their passion for science or their dedication to healing people. And they're motivated (mostly) by their desire for money and prestige, which fits right into the AMA criteria. I read somewhere that the AMA was founded by one doctor who used smear tactics to extort other doctors to join his organization, which is nothing more than a self-serving guild, like the masons or the plumbers, designed to limit competition and thus maximize per-member revenue. Anyone familiar with the story I'm recalling? I'd love to track it down and document it. Sam What antibioitics did the woman use before she started silver? Long term ABX have many damaging effects. Also, lots of Lyme people are put on Diflucan or Niazoral for the yeast they get because of the ABX, and both of those are severely toxic to the liver. Never heard of a problem with silver before. Sounds like another scare tactic to me. Sparrow Hello everyone! Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone know if there could be any truth to this or not??? Thanks! Nicole:O) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskim
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
Sounds to me like a doctor shifting the blame from the ABX he prescribed. If this woman read the full FDA-mandated "labels" (sometimes they're more like books) on the drugs she took, chances are she'll find liver damage listed as a side effect on one or more. If she switched to CS from ABX and/or left a doctor's care (spelled receivables account), it's quite likely the MD (Money Doctor) would blame the CS for her later-discovered liver damage. Even if she only used CS supplementally, an MD is likely to blame whatever the patient did that wasn't by his instruction for any mishap that could have been caused by his actions. I have know many MDs and was once married to a very smart nurse, and in my experience MDs use the scientific method about as rigorously as your average 7-11 clerk. The few I have known who were scientific and logical in their approach were also those most interested in healing their patients and least interested in making money; also least likely to recommend or prescribe anything potentially damaging. One ear-ear-nose-throat specialist I once saw, who was also a plastic surgeon and head/neck cancer specialist, would not prescribe any antibiotic until he had a culture back from the lab and knew exactly what he was trying to eradicate. I once had a blocked eustachian tube that had filled my middle ear with mucus so that I was deaf in that ear for a month before I went to this doctor. He put an air tube up my nostril, closed the other, and told me to say K-K-K-K and... POP! the ear cleared. Then he told me to take Sudafed and use Afrin nasal spray (no antihistamines) for a couple of weeks until everything was drained, and showed me how to do the K-K-K-K trick myself. He gave me no ABX, and I never had to go back to him. Unfortunately, he is rare. Most doctors make snap judgments and follow routines based on what they did the last time, which was based on what a drug salesman told him. He's in such a hurry to make money that he never really listens to a patient, but hustles them in and out as fast as possible. He keeps the waiting room full with overbooked appointments to make the patients feel the urgency for his hurry, to make it look like he's got to get to other patients because there are so many of them. In truth, he has overbooked in order to squeeze as many fees into ever hour as possible to drive up his hourly revenue so he can knock off his hospital rounds and still have time for golf, opera, gambling, or whatever his favorite pasttime is. This stems from the method the AMA uses to screen med school applicants. They're chosen based on their academic overachievement, not their passion for science or their dedication to healing people. And they're motivated (mostly) by their desire for money and prestige, which fits right into the AMA criteria. I read somewhere that the AMA was founded by one doctor who used smear tactics to extort other doctors to join his organization, which is nothing more than a self-serving guild, like the masons or the plumbers, designed to limit competition and thus maximize per-member revenue. Anyone familiar with the story I'm recalling? I'd love to track it down and document it. Sam What antibioitics did the woman use before she started silver? Long term ABX have many damaging effects. Also, lots of Lyme people are put on Diflucan or Niazoral for the yeast they get because of the ABX, and both of those are severely toxic to the liver. Never heard of a problem with silver before. Sounds like another scare tactic to me. Sparrow Hello everyone! Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone know if there could be any truth to this or not??? Thanks! Nicole:O)
RE: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
No, electrocution is much more likely than an explosion. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com [SMTP:donna2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/ James, As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow myself up trying to figure this all out. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
> James, > As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow > myself up trying to figure this all out. > > Donna Earnest Dear Donna, No! Don`t blow yourself up! Who`d I write to??? sob boo hoo... Marsha :o) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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James, As for right now, I am starting at the beginning. I am liable to blow myself up trying to figure this all out. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
Hi Donna, If you have lots of time in relation to money, you might come out ahead building your own. Yes, the total cost of the components is significantly less that the assembled machine. But, if you account for all of the time you will spend locating, order, and fabricating, you will find it is probably cost effective to buy the machine. The Marx HVAC machine is basically a 10KV center-tapped secondary with a 120 V primary, a timer, with a switch to bypass the timer for manual operation, a circuit breaker for protection, a fan, and a fan option switch and an off/on switch. The secret is in the electrode configuration, and according to Bruce, the thing is very tweaky. I think that good silver can be made by a variety of processes. I do not know what is best. My main technical sources are Bruce, Brooks and Ivan, with lots of others too. Good luck with your decision process, if you have specific questions I will try to answer them or refer them to others. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com [SMTP:donna2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/ James, Did you build your own HVAC generator? I have been looking at them, including the one from Bruce Marx but the price is kind of high for me right now. I am just starting to look into this again. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
James, Did you build your own HVAC generator? I have been looking at them, including the one from Bruce Marx but the price is kind of high for me right now. I am just starting to look into this again. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
I had Hep (A?B) about 20 years ago. My liver has never been better after several years of first LVDC and then HVAC silver. Ask for the negative reference in any medical literature. None will be forthcoming. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Nicole Fraser [SMTP:on_ne_change_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 4:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>Liver damage??? ;0/ << File: ATT0.html >> Hello everyone! Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone know if there could be any truth to this or not??? Thanks! Nicole:O) - Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at Yahoo! Auctions. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
I have never heard of CS causing any problems. However it is known that many antibiotics cause liver damage, and I suspect that is what caused her problem. I would also expect her doctor to blame anything else he can. Marshall Nicole Fraser wrote: > Hello everyone! > > Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. > Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She > claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this > at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something > else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone > know if there could be any truth to this or not??? > > Thanks! > > Nicole:O) > > --- > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at Yahoo! Auctions.
Re: CS>Liver damage??? ;0/
What antibioitics did the woman use before she started silver? Long term ABX have many damaging effects. Also, lots of Lyme people are put on Diflucan or Niazoral for the yeast they get because of the ABX, and both of those are severely toxic to the liver. Never heard of a problem with silver before. Sounds like another scare tactic to me. Sparrow Hello everyone! Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone know if there could be any truth to this or not??? Thanks! Nicole:O)
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Well all I can tell you is I have Hepatitis C, and I have been using CS for about a year or so and it has releaved my symptoms. I have had no adverse effects. sdr Nicole Fraser wrote: > Hello everyone! > > Personally "I" don't think this is possible or true but had to ask. > Some woman in the Lyme ng told me that CS can cause liver damage. She > claims her friend is near a liver translplant because of it. Is this > at ALL possible I don't think so and think there must be something > else her friend is taking that must have caused liver damage? Anyone > know if there could be any truth to this or not??? > > Thanks! > > Nicole:O) > > --- > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at Yahoo! Auctions.
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<> Hi! You know..that is EXACTLY what I thought! ;0/ I e-mailed her and asked her if her friend was taking anything else...I haven't heard a reply yet. LOL hmm...some people, they just would rather be skeptical than open their eyes when the answer is right in front of them!!! :0/ Anyway, I agree with you...I was only on doxy for 11 days...I can't wait to say CS cured me as I am not taking ANYTHING else, nor do I plan to!! Thanks for your oppinion! :0) Nicole:O) - Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at Yahoo! Auctions.
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Nicole, It is the antibiotics that are taken for lyme that do the damage to the liver. They really do alot of harm to our bodies in many ways. I thank God everyday for my colloidal silver! Donna Earnest This email contains only my opinion and should not be taken as medical advice. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
