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From: "Charles Sutton" > Damn! I deleted all the need engineering help emails Rowena: And I had mine deleted for me. I had not backed up my computer. Major computer disaster. Today, none of my extensive files, documents or emails exist! Well, off to the archives, I guess. By the way, a lady I have been giving SC to is moving away and her husband will build her a silver generator. They wouldn't be able to afford to buy one. Which on line instructions do members recommend the most? Thanks Rowena Back up you files regularly! Remember to back up. Schedule your backups! - Original Message - > > > > People, dear people - please don't forget your subject headings - the > > most interesting snake bite/ spiderbite / antivenene electro treatment > > correspondence is taking place under "Need engineering help" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings
Damn! I deleted all the need engineering help emails - Original Message - From: "Rowena Evans" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings > People, dear people - please don't forget your subject headings - the > most interesting snake bite/ spiderbite / antivenene electro treatment > correspondence is taking place under "Need engineering help" - can you > think on at least to add to if not change the subject line completely > so we can refer more easily to the fascinating info and people can > find it in the archives in due course? > Thanks > Rowena > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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I used to work for a pacemaker company. While I don't remember any specific formulas, I do know that the important thing was *current density in the heart*. I believe they used about 10 ma per cm at the end of the electrode that was actually in the heart. Total amperage conducted by the body is not really meaningful without the current density at the heart. Except, of course, if you never have a large amount of current you never have to worry about getting a high enough current density to affect the heart. Dan Re: CS>Need engineering help * From: Al Davis (view other messages by this author) * Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:07:26 Marshall Dudley wrote: > > There needs to be a time element associated with this as well. That > > is, even a microamp at a millivolt, would produce this much energy > > over a long enough time. My guess is that is it for 60 hertz, which > > would be about 8 milliseconds. But even so that number seems very > > fishy. Lets say you are looking at one pulse of 60 hertz, which is > > 8.33 milliseconds. If you have 10 volts the the amount of current to > > exceed this would be 162 AMPS This would be far beyond deadly. > > > > Marshall > It would also be far beyond possibility. 10 volts is not capable of driving 162 amps through your body. The resistance would have to be .06 ohms. Any device you use should be limited to about 5 mA. This would require 2700 volts to produce 13.5 watts for 1 sec. or 0.5 mA @ 27,000 volts. Hope this helps.:) Al Davis (Ex Navy electrician) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Need Engineering Help Spider and snakebite headings
People, dear people - please don't forget your subject headings - the most interesting snake bite/ spiderbite / antivenene electro treatment correspondence is taking place under "Need engineering help" - can you think on at least to add to if not change the subject line completely so we can refer more easily to the fascinating info and people can find it in the archives in due course? Thanks Rowena -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Marshall Dudley wrote: > > There needs to be a time element associated with this as well. That > > is, even a microamp at a millivolt, would produce this much energy > > over a long enough time. My guess is that is it for 60 hertz, which > > would be about 8 milliseconds. But even so that number seems very > > fishy. Lets say you are looking at one pulse of 60 hertz, which is > > 8.33 milliseconds. If you have 10 volts the the amount of current to > > exceed this would be 162 AMPS This would be far beyond deadly. > > > > Marshall > It would also be far beyond possibility. 10 volts is not capable of driving 162 amps through your body. The resistance would have to be .06 ohms. Any device you use should be limited to about 5 mA. This would require 2700 volts to produce 13.5 watts for 1 sec. or 0.5 mA @ 27,000 volts. Hope this helps.:) Al Davis (Ex Navy electrician) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Matthew McCann PE wrote: > Rice University's electrical engineeringlaboratory has a good on-line > report onamounts of hazardous electricity.(see website for lab course > ELEC 241.)According to this, the threshold forventricular fibrillation > is given inwatt-seconds, i.e. energy, not current.The threshold is > 13.5 watt-seconds. > > > There needs to be a time element associated with this as well. That > is, even a microamp at a millivolt, would produce this much energy > over a long enough time. My guess is that is it for 60 hertz, which > would be about 8 milliseconds. But even so that number seems very > fishy. Lets say you are looking at one pulse of 60 hertz, which is > 8.33 milliseconds. If you have 10 volts the the amount of current to > exceed this would be 162 AMPS This would be far beyond deadly. > Marshall
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Praise God, Wayne, You've been a good patient, enduring much well-meaning advice from strangers (who have become close--like family--who truly care and are concerned about you!) What a great piece of witness that you are getting electro-relief at this late stage of treatment! It seems as though you're on the road to complete recovery! Thanks for sharing your experience and impressive photos outlining your recovery! Best wishes to ALL for a Happy Holiday and a Very Good NEW YEAR! Sincerely, Richard Harris, 556 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help That is exciting news. I am completely at a loss to understand what is happening or how it could help at this late date, but if it works, great! Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Morning Marshall, > > >It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison > >in the > >bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be > >surprised if > >it does not help at this time. > >This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this > as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. > >We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in > the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to > sleep with a CS soaked bandage. > >This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. > > I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while > walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such > that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. > > I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, > within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is > happening differently. > > I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply > because the wound is draining so well. > > I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have > been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of > pain has amazed me. > > Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the > office where she works for > cortisone and antibiotics. She said, "one week of antibiotics will not > kill you". > > I had to say, "No thank you". Hopefully, I do not need these anytime > soon. > > CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when > the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and > vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. > > I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using > conventional treatment of antibiotics. > > Wayne > > >But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I > >would love to be wrong on this. > > > >Marshall > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Check into the art of "cupping" Basically, it's the formation of a vaccuum by reducing the volume of hot air in a cup or bottle when it cools. One way is to place a piece of toilet paper soaked in alchohol in a tall shot glass, light it and snuff it out against the skin. Another way is to heat the cup in hot water and let it cool against the skin. I've even found that squeezing the air out of a sturdy plastic bottle [ asprin bottle] and letting it expand will induce a pretty good vaccuum. great for boils and such Ode At 12:32 PM 12/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Morning Marshall, > >>It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison >>in the >>bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be >>surprised if >>it does not help at this time. > > This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this >as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. > > We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in >the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to >sleep with a CS soaked bandage. > > This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. > >I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while >walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such >that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. > >I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, >within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is >happening differently. > >I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply >because the wound is draining so well. > >I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have >been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of >pain has amazed me. > >Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the >office where she works for >cortisone and antibiotics. She said, "one week of antibiotics will not >kill you". > >I had to say, "No thank you". Hopefully, I do not need these anytime >soon. > >CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when >the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and >vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. > >I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using >conventional treatment of antibiotics. > >Wayne > > > > > >>But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I >>would love to be wrong on this. >> >>Marshall >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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If the bite was that of a Brown Recluse, the main toxin is a potent long lasting vasoconstrictor. The tissue dies, not from the toxin, but from lack of blood supply. Other than the pain, there is no probably no harm in trying later. JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Need Engineering Help Morning Marshall, >It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the >poison >in the >bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be >surprised if >it does not help at this time. This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to sleep with a CS soaked bandage. This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is happening differently. I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply because the wound is draining so well. I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of pain has amazed me. Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the office where she works for cortisone and antibiotics. She said, "one week of antibiotics will not kill you". I had to say, "No thank you". Hopefully, I do not need these anytime soon. CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using conventional treatment of antibiotics. Wayne >But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I >would love to be wrong on this. > >Marshall > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour
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the violet ray does not use filters [not to be confused with uv light, which would be interesting to try also] someone has posted a link to baar products who has the violet ray. I have two old timers purchased at 1-a yard sale, 2-at an antique dealer's in Vermont, 5 and 45 bucks respectively. Antique dealers have them in the catagory of QuackMedicalInstruments [ha ha]/ I really like the old timers [every farm house had one] better than the current models- my feeble attempts at measuring the freq seemed to indicate quite a difference, but it was so many years ago i forget what the difference was. I do recall, effectively, the old ones just seemed to be "smoother" as I used them; whatever that means. Old/vs\new applicators used in the same power unit [generally] will glow with differing color- [???indicating different gases used???] but I dont know that that effects the operation as much as the different freq. I have seen one used directly on the eyes [not enough nerve to try that on my me] but have used one about everywhere else. They can be kind of "jarring" and some find them uncomfortable if used where bones are close to the surface such as hands, ankles n the like. If you try one:, start with the lower settings, apply to the surface being treated with a kind of a tap from about 1" out [to reduce or avoid arching to the skin, which some find unpleasant] and.. keep it moving!! The old uns are for sure not UL-approved!!! caution I feel sure Bruce has pictures at the link given, for those not familiar with the violet ray. There are some antique dealers who specialize in quack-med-inst and there was one on eBay a while back [tho it looked in pretty tough condition] davido ps, the old timers cannot be used for too long of a duty cycle because they used a poorish insulating material that tends to overheat and melt. On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:14:14 -0600 Wayne Fugitt writes: > > >sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. > >Yes, me too. > > I have a set of colored filters. > >Would you suggest the color and the light source. > >Wayne > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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http://www.baar.com/vray.htm Wayne Fugitt wrote: sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. Yes, me too. I have a set of colored filters. Would you suggest the color and the light source. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour .
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sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. Yes, me too. I have a set of colored filters. Would you suggest the color and the light source. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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sure wish someone would try a Violet Ray on one of these wounds. davido On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:02 -0500 Marshall Dudley writes: > Wayne Fugitt wrote: > > > Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, > something I > > should have done two weeks ago. > > It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the > poison in the > bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be > surprised if > it does not help at this time. But if you try it and it does help, > tell us. I > would love to be wrong on this. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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That is exciting news. I am completely at a loss to understand what is happening or how it could help at this late date, but if it works, great! Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Morning Marshall, > > >It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison > >in the > >bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be > >surprised if > >it does not help at this time. > >This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this > as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. > >We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in > the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to > sleep with a CS soaked bandage. > >This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. > > I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while > walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such > that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. > > I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, > within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is > happening differently. > > I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply > because the wound is draining so well. > > I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have > been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of > pain has amazed me. > > Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the > office where she works for > cortisone and antibiotics. She said, "one week of antibiotics will not > kill you". > > I had to say, "No thank you". Hopefully, I do not need these anytime > soon. > > CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when > the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and > vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. > > I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using > conventional treatment of antibiotics. > > Wayne > > >But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I > >would love to be wrong on this. > > > >Marshall > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Morning Marshall, It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. This has been my feelings also. However, Dr. Osborn reports doing this as much as 5 weeks after the bite with favorable results. We did the treatment about 7 PM. By 11 PM, I noticed a difference in the draining. A different color and viscosity. I bandage before going to sleep with a CS soaked bandage. This am more drainage was noticed than on previous nights. I leave the bandage off for periods during the day. This am, while walking around doing the very limited morning chores, drainage was such that it ran down to my sock. It had never done this before. I can use 3 fingers, pressing down, and moving them around the bite, within 1/2 inch, no pain, and the area seems softer. Something is happening differently. I have a number of treatments in line that I have not used yet simply because the wound is draining so well. I have had a number of simple infections ( simple boils ) that have been many times more painful than this spider bite. The absence of pain has amazed me. Last night a neighbor nurse called me and wanted me to come to the office where she works for cortisone and antibiotics. She said, "one week of antibiotics will not kill you". I had to say, "No thank you". Hopefully, I do not need these anytime soon. CS soaks, MSM soaks, and Epsom Salts soaks plus the Onion poultice when the swelling was bad ( about 3 days ) plus a barrage of supplements and vitamin C may have been the key to zero pain. I can only guess what the resulting effect would have been using conventional treatment of antibiotics. Wayne But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Morning Dan, At 09:51 AM 12/19/03 -0600, you wrote: Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to the other? The pioneer doctor, Dr. Carl D. Osborn, who has successfully treated hundreds for spider bite victims, said to do it this way. Working across the bite is suggested also. The idea is to effect the deeper toxins by attaching the lead on the opposite side of a leg or arm. His research was done in the late 80's. Bits and pieces are floating around. One can get the complete info from the Oklahoma State Medical Association. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Why don't you just zapp directly across the bite, ie from one edge to the other? Why pass current thru parts of the body that don't need it? Needless complications can arise... CS>Need Engineering Help From: Wayne Fugitt (view other messages by this author) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:52:06 Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I should have done two weeks ago. Thanks to a loving list member, Margie, for sending me the stun gun. The alligator clip for attaching to the opposite side of the leg is in fact a "Claw Type" about 7/16 inches wide with 4 points on one side and 3 on the other. The question is, would I get a better connection by clipping to the skin or having someone press firmly on the end of the clip. The surface area would be 1/4 X 7/16 inches, rather than the few points biting into the skin . Also by pressing into the calf muscle on the opposite side, the muscle would be compressed and the current path would be shorter. I plan a total of 7 charges of two seconds each, One at 12, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 o'clock and one in the center. This is something I have never done. I think I can stand the pain ok. Clipping the skin with that mean claw clip scares me worse than the high voltage. Suggestions and ideas welcome. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Do you have any documentation on this. The UL and government standard is 10 mA for leakage current which is far more than a few microamps. Blood electrification and zappers both operate at around this current. And the blood electrification fall in the range of the most sensitive frequency for this to happen, unlike the Clark zapper or one of these high voltage units. Marshall Matthew McCann PE wrote: > Hi, Wayne! Good to read everything is OK.Microamperes have > electrocutedpatients in hospitals throughbreaks in the skin opening > electricalpathways to the blood andthrough the thorax. It isdefinitely > not a trifling risk. Matthew
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Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Very soon I will be applying high voltage to the spider bite, something I > should have done two weeks ago. It is my understanding that the electricity somehow neutralizes the poison in the bite. I doubt there is any poison left after two weeks, so don't be surprised if it does not help at this time. But if you try it and it does help, tell us. I would love to be wrong on this. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Evening Matthew, There are better ways to make contact than clipping directly to your skin. If I were doing it to myself, I would clip it to a small piece of sponge saturated with salt water and press the sponge against my skin with a rubber-gloved I thought so too. Now after feeling the effect, I think the clipped on connection is good enough. Wayne
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Evening Jack, Well, why not round-off the points? That was my urge also. But I did not make any modifications. It bites the skin firmly. Just finished the first treatment of 5 hits, one in the center and one each at 12, 3, 6, and 9 oclock. Believe me, no one wants a spider bite for many reasons. The high voltage is one of them. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Wayne Fugitt 12/18/03 3:51 PM Wrote: > This is something I have never done. I think I can stand the pain ok. > > Clipping the skin with that mean claw clip scares me worse than the high > voltage. Well, why not round-off the points? Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Oh for goodness sake... Slip it under a velcro strap or a belt or garter. No need to get anyone else involved. Chuck You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking. On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:53:47 -0500, Matthew McCann PE wrote: >If there is enough time, have the >assistant wear several rubber >gloves of increasing size. >The assistant should stand, >not sit, and be wearing rubber >boots. The assistant should also >be prepared to feel a powerful >shock. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
