Re: CS>New here

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Colloidal Master has a very attractive price on a full setup including 
a distiller, but ships that only to the USA, as I recall, so you'd need 
to find a reshipper.One member on this list has spoken well of the 
generator;  I find the website information about it a bit thin on 
details.  It does not have any kind of stirrer, but claims that the 
method of generation eliminates the need for mechanical stirring.



On Wednesday, May 27, 2009, at 07:58 Asia/Tokyo, Golden Aldi wrote:


Hello,

My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living 
here in Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.


I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in 
2000. Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet 
sold me some for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not 
quite sure if his batch was all that great, but I keep on reading 
these past few days on another list, how wonderful this stuff is, and 
one could even make it themselves.


That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in 
buying a generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220 
outlet. There's one that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but 
an extra $40 for the Universal seems like alot. We have a few extra 
plug in transformers that would surely fit this generator. My husband 
says it would work, but I have my doubts, since I'm not that 
knowledgable in electronics.


Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole 
family, plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.


Aldona



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Re: CS>New here

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Aldona. I have a Colloid Master, and have been using it almost daily for the 
past ten years.  It's a fine generator, but I can't answer your electrical 
questions -- someone else will have to address that.  MA





From: Golden Aldi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:58:07 PM
Subject: CS>New here


Hello,

My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living here in 
Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.
I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in 2000. 
Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet sold me some 
for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not quite sure if his batch 
was all that great, but I keep on reading these past few days on another list, 
how wonderful this stuff is, and one could even make it themselves.
That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in buying a 
generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220 outlet. There's one 
that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but an extra $40 for the Universal 
seems like alot. We have a few extra plug in transformers that would surely fit 
this generator. My husband says it would work, but I have my doubts, since I'm 
not that knowledgable in electronics.
Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole family, 
plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.
Aldona

Re: CS>New here

[Malcolm]

Hi Aldona,
You might want to check out the silver puppy 

http://silverpuppy.com/

He sells a unit that will work on European outlets, and his is one of
the very best.  He has a great deal of very good info on his site, and
whatever you do, at least give it a read.


Another excellent one is the Silvergen though I don't know if they have
one that works on EU 220V.  They do have one designed to make larger
quantities though.

http://www.silvergen.com/

Both of these have excellent reputations.  There are many more, I just
know about these two from my own experience.  My personal opinion would
be to get one with "constant current" regulation.  Take your time, keep
asking, there are lots of people on this list who will be happy to help
you learn what you need to know.

Hope this helps.
Malcolm



On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 00:58 +0200, Golden Aldi wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living
> here in Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.
> 
> I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in
> 2000. Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet
> sold me some for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not
> quite sure if his batch was all that great, but I keep on reading
> these past few days on another list, how wonderful this stuff is, and
> one could even make it themselves.
> 
> That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in
> buying a generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220
> outlet. There's one that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but
> an extra $40 for the Universal seems like alot. We have a few extra
> plug in transformers that would surely fit this generator. My husband
> says it would work, but I have my doubts, since I'm not that
> knowledgable in electronics.
> 
> Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole
> family, plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.
> 
> Aldona


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Re: CS>New here

[Ode Coyote]

  Get a step down transformer that converts 220 European to 120 American.
50 watts will be plenty of capacity.
 Price $5 to $30..shop around the net. [ I have them for $12 and 220/22 
volt Euro supplies for $15 ]


 Any DC out wall mount transformer that will plug in and has the correct 
polarity will probably work fine...match the output voltage as close as you 
canI "think" the colloid master runs on 12 volts?


ode




At 12:58 AM 5/27/2009 +0200, you wrote:

Hello,
My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living here 
in Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.
I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in 
2000. Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet sold 
me some for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not quite sure if 
his batch was all that great, but I keep on reading these past few days on 
another list, how wonderful this stuff is, and one could even make it 
themselves.
That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in buying a 
generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220 outlet. There's 
one that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but an extra $40 for the 
Universal seems like alot. We have a few extra plug in transformers that 
would surely fit this generator. My husband says it would work, but I have 
my doubts, since I'm not that knowledgable in electronics.
Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole 
family, plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.

Aldona



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Re: CS>New here

[Golden Aldi]

Thanks so far to Jonathan, MaryAnn, Malcolm and Ode-coyote...
You're right, Jonathan, alot of the sites were lacing in details of sorts.
I, for one, when researching products, like to see more pictures of the
thing close up and built up, in action.
Malcolm, I've checked out silverpuppy and silvergen. I have to say that the
one I'm leaning towards is the colloidal master, so I've got a few questions
for you, Maryann, if I may bother you some...
@Ode Coyote... those were my thoughts. I was only wondering if the
elctronics were different between the colloidal master and the cm Universal.
I was wondering if the Universal is just the latest model, since they
mention that the universal model is "their latest offering" after 7 yrs of
development.
@MaryAnn... the Colloidal Master says you can set it at any ppm, so how
would you do that? And what about the quantity of water? If its for a quart
at a time, then you can only make a quart at a time? Or could you make more
or less? How would the settings be then? Also, do you use the feature to
test the water first? I don't suppose you know how man ppm your finished
product has, or can you test it? How often do you stir?
Here's another link I found that is from a german site. You can still look
at the products.
(
http://www.bloodzapper.de/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=33
)
He said he has one with 4mm electrodes that can be used to make 500m. at a
time, which is about 1/4 of a quart, for 150 Euros. Comes complete with the
aluminum case and bottles, etc. Oh, it comes with a timer, so its not an
automatic shut off, but I could use one to plug into the socket that will
turn off automatically, but I like the feature the silvergen has and I
believe the colloidal master also has this feature.
Aldona
I'm eager to start, but am still having a hard time to decide which
generator would best suit my needs.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Jonathan B. Britten <
jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> Colloidal Master has a very attractive price on a full setup including a
> distiller, but ships that only to the USA, as I recall, so you'd need to
> find a reshipper.One member on this list has spoken well of the
> generator;  I find the website information about it a bit thin on details.
>  It does not have any kind of stirrer, but claims that the method of
> generation eliminates the need for mechanical stirring.
>
>

Re: CS>New here

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Aldona.  I'll answer your questions, as best I can, in the order that you 
asked.
l)  To set the ppm level, the unit has a dial on the front that goes from 1 to 
10.  You simply move the dial up for greater ppm-level.  I generally brew 
mine at *3*.
2)  I always make one quart at a time.  This uusually takes about four hours.  
If I need more than a quart a day, I'll set it up in the morning and then again 
when I go to bed.  I could make more if I needed to, but I've never needed more 
than a half-gallon a day for people, dogs, cats and horses.  You can use this 
unit to make a gallon at a time -- I know quite a few people who do this.  
Don't know about the settings, as I don't do this, but you would use a longer 
electrode (silver bar) and the Synergenesis people sell those too.  It is also 
recommended that for a gallon, you use an ordinary aquarium bubbler to move the 
water around, and some people place their gallon jar of water on a warming 
plate -- which speeds up the brewing process.  As far as making less -- I can't 
think of how you'd do that, or why you'd want to.   CS -- or EIS (electrically 
isolated silver) as we call it here on the list -- is very stable and stores 
easily for a long
 time.
3)  Yes -- I always use the testing feature on the unit -- to make sure that 
the distilled water I'm using is pure enough to make a good quality product.  
The testing feature is simply using the same dial on the front of the unit -- 
and the unit comes with instructions on how to do all of this.
4)  My finished product generally runs around 14 ppm.  Periodically I test it 
to see if I'm on target.  To do this, I use a Hanna tester -- which is also 
sold by Synergenesis.  But the people on this list will be quick to tell you 
that there isn't any method to accurately test CS at home -- any tester will 
just give you an approximation.  The good news is that that's good enough.  Any 
ppm-level under 20 is perfectly safe to use on a regular basis, and any 
ppm-level over 5 will be effective for anything you'd be using it for.
5)  I don't stir my CS at all.  A quart is such a small amount, and the brew 
time so short, that the natural Brownian movement is sufficient to get the job 
done.
6)  Yes -- the Colloid Master has an automatic shut-off.
I think this answers your questions.  Let me know if I can be of further help.  
MA  


@MaryAnn... the Colloidal Master says you can set it at any ppm, so how would 
you do that? And what about the quantity of water? If its for a quart at a 
time, then you can only make a quart at a time? Or could you make more or less? 
How would the settings be then? Also, do you use the feature to test the water 
first? I don't suppose you know how man ppm your finished product has, or can 
you test it? How often do you stir? 
Here's another link I found that is from a german site. You can still look at 
the products.
(http://www.bloodzapper.de/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=33)
He said he has one with 4mm electrodes that can be used to make 500m. at a 
time, which is about 1/4 of a quart, for 150 Euros. Comes complete with the 
aluminum case and bottles, etc. Oh, it comes with a timer, so its not an 
automatic shut off, but I could use one to plug into the socket that will turn 
off automatically, but I like the feature the silvergen has and I believe the 
colloidal master also has this feature.

Re: CS>New here

[Golden Aldi]

Another question just to be sure
the Colloid master shuts off when you've reached the selected ppm number?
And you reached this by setting the dial to #3, correct?

> 6)  Yes -- the Colloid Master has an automatic shut-off.
> I think this answers your questions.  Let me know if I can be of further
> help.  MA
>  --
>

Re: CS>New here

[MaryAnn Helland]

Yes -- you set the dial to the desired number, which correlates to approximate 
ppm-level of the finished product, and when that ppm-level is achieved, the 
unit shuts itself off.  MA





From: Golden Aldi goldena...@gmail.com


Another question just to be sure
the Colloid master shuts off when you've reached the selected ppm number? And 
you reached this by setting the dial to #3, correct?
6)  Yes -- the Colloid Master has an automatic shut-off.
I think this answers your questions.  Let me know if I can be of further help.  
MA  

Re: CS>New here

[Marshall Dudley]

Golden Aldi wrote:

Hello,
My name is Aldona, I'm still 48 :-), american, but having been living 
here in Germany since my marriage to a german man, 30 yrs. ago.
I'm a bit familiar with CS. First time I ever heard of it was back in 
2000. Never really used it until about a yr. ago, when a holistic vet 
sold me some for the skin problems my Sheltie was having. I'm not 
quite sure if his batch was all that great, but I keep on reading 
these past few days on another list, how wonderful this stuff is, and 
one could even make it themselves.
That's where I am. I want to make some myself. I'm interested in 
buying a generator, and need to be sure I can plug it into a 220 
outlet. There's one that has been recommended. Colloidal Master, but 
an extra $40 for the Universal seems like alot. We have a few extra 
plug in transformers that would surely fit this generator. My husband 
says it would work, but I have my doubts, since I'm not that 
knowledgable in electronics.
Which generator would you recommend? I plan on using it on the whole 
family, plus pets, so I'll be making alot, so I figure.

Aldona

Transformer should work fine.

Marshall


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Re: CS>New here

[Golden Aldi]

I splurged and bought the Colloid Master Universal. I figure its their
latest, and I should be good to go when it arrives.
Thanks to all for your input. It helped in making my decision. I'm glad the
search is over, and I'm confident I made an excellent choice.
Aldona

Re: CS>New here

[lampley lane]

I checked them out too, niiice. Also welcome, I'm new here too. Blessings, 
Little Bird


-Original Message-
From: Golden Aldi
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New here

I splurged and bought the Colloid Master Universal. I figure its their
latest, and I should be good to go when it arrives.
Thanks to all for your input. It helped in making my decision. I'm glad the
search is over, and I'm confident I made an excellent choice.
Aldona

Re: CS>New here

[Golden Aldi]

Thanks for the welcome!

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM, lampley lane  wrote:




>  I checked them out too, niiice. Also welcome, I'm new here too Blessings,
> Little Bird
> --
> **
>

Re: CS>New here

[lampley lane]

Your welcome, I enjoy this site. It's been a God send. And the CS is working 
for me. It's only been a little over a week, but I haven't felt this good in 
yrs! I gotta get a generator too. 


-Original Message-
From: Golden Aldi
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New here

Thanks for the welcome!

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM, lampley lane  wrote:




>  I checked them out too, niiice. Also welcome, I'm new here too Blessings,
> Little Bird
> --
> **
>

Re: CS>New here

[MaryAnn Helland]

You'll enjoy your new Colloid Master.  MA





From: Golden Aldi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New here


I splurged and bought the Colloid Master Universal. I figure its their latest, 
and I should be good to go when it arrives.

Thanks to all for your input. It helped in making my decision. I'm glad the 
search is over, and I'm confident I made an excellent choice.
Aldona

Re: CS>New here

[Ode Coyote]

At 02:31 PM 5/27/2009 +0200, you wrote:

Thanks so far to Jonathan, MaryAnn, Malcolm and Ode-coyote...
You're right, Jonathan, alot of the sites were lacing in details of sorts. 
I, for one, when researching products, like to see more pictures of the 
thing close up and built up, in action.
Malcolm, I've checked out silverpuppy and silvergen. I have to say that 
the one I'm leaning towards is the colloidal master, so I've got a few 
questions for you, Maryann, if I may bother you some...




@Ode Coyote... those were my thoughts. I was only wondering if the 
elctronics were different between the colloidal master and the cm 
Universal. I was wondering if the Universal is just the latest model, 
since they mention that the universal model is "their latest offering" 
after 7 yrs of development.


##  I'm pretty sure it's the very same unit with a DC tap to bypass the 
power transformer so you can use a battery.
 The silverpup "generators" will run properly on just about anything you 
can plug into it and you can't hook up anything wrong..the stirrerers 
won't, they need 120 VAC but decent CS can be made without a stirrer 
especially when using polarity changing output. [DC out makes ion tracks 
between the electrodes aka high concentration zones that need to be 
disrupted constantly ]
The CM uses constant current and a voltage reference to tell itself when 
it's done [as does the silverpuppy and the silvergen]
 The silvergen sg6  is DC output only, the CM has an alternating electrode 
polarity feature that uses an electromechanical relay, no DC output, the 
silverpup has a choice of DC or alternating polarity [optional on the 
pocketpuppy ] and is entirely solid state.
The PPM dial is a potentiometer that changes the reference voltage for the 
PPM setting.
 The SG6 and silverpup will turn themselves off when the conductivity of 
the water is at the desired place..the CM 'might' just display a light to 
tell you when it's done [dunno if it turns itself off or not ]
 The dials are not calibrated for any specific PPM but will do the same 
thing each batch IF the electrodes are in exactly the same placement.

 You'll need a meter to tell what that is.
Using repeatable electrode position to do that job IS calibrated, but the 
choices aren't infinitely variable..but at least you know what the choices are.
There's no way to exceed the max  PPM setting other than to reposition the 
electrodes further apart on the CM or the sg6
The silverpup lets you go as high as you dare with an auto/ manual switch 
for making CS Gel etc, or use bad water if you have to.  [optional on the 
pocketpuppy ]
 Polarity change does in fact do "some" stirring, directly between the 
electrodes...sufficient for a quart batch, but better if the jar is about 
the same length as the electrodes.
Exposure to water vapors is a stir motors nemesis due to eventual 
corrosion...and potentiometers and relays eventually get iffy like any part 
that "moves".
 Puppy stirrers are never exposed to water vapor and one has no moving 
parts at all... TO corrode and freeze up.


To get repeatable batches, make same sized batches [all]
 There are some conductivity / water volume / PPM relationships to 
conductivity triggered settings that have volume related 'nuances'
"PPM" is determined by voltage drop that keeps current constant as water 
conductivity rises with the gradual addition of silver ions, compared to an 
internal reference voltage [all]

 All 3 are good generators...drawbacks minor.
The CM doesn't do much to handle electrode mounting or position, the SG6 is 
a bit difficult electrode wise and both use silver ribbon that is easily 
bent and have edge/corner discharge characteristics that erode the 
electrodes into a V shape, changing current density and calibration over 
time until you get new electrodes.
 The pup electrodes have no exposed edges or corners, placement is precise 
and they are very easy to handle.


The SG6 and CM haven't "actually" changed since their inception, the pup 
silver 7 is in it's 6th revision in 9 years winding up with miniaturized 
surface mount solid state everything like a computer motherboard. [The 
arithmetic monster ate #5 ]


 A timer cannot work...unless you know everything else about your batch at 
the start..and no two batches are the same at the start because no two jugs 
of water are the same except by accident.

 Most "zappers" being use to make CS fall short of doing that well.
 Making a good CS generator into a zapper is better.  [higher 
functionality being used for a less demanding function ]


Ode

@MaryAnn... the Colloidal Master says you can set it at any ppm, so how 
would you do that? And what about the quantity of water? If its for a 
quart at a time, then you can only make a quart at a time? Or could you 
make more or less? How would the settings be then? Also, do you use the 
feature to test the water first? I don't suppose you know how man ppm your 
finished product has, or can you test it? How of

Re: CS>New here

[Golden Aldi]

Hey Ode,
Yeah, the CM shuts off when it reaches the setting you set. The next thing
I'm looking at are steam distillers to have our own water. We've been using
a britta filter, but I've been skeptical of the things, although I must say,
the water doesn't smell, nor does it taste funny, so at least I can drink it
now.
I've always thought distilled water, like the jugs you buy for the iron or
car, the water inside was "dead"... no minerals, nada. But I think I can get
used to drinking distilled water, if its really not unhealthy to.
I did read somewhere, that you should be able to control the current, but I
don't understand why. It contradicts what is written elsewhere, where the
current should always be low and constant. Why would i want to set any other
settings?
Thanks for all of your input. I've also read a site of yours, or I believe
its yours, where you comment on certain sites, where generators are
offered.
Aldi

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
> The CM uses constant current and a voltage reference to tell itself when
> it's done [as does the silverpuppy and the silvergen]
>  The silvergen sg6  is DC output only, the CM has an alternating electrode
> polarity feature that uses an electromechanical relay, no DC output, the
> silverpup has a choice of DC or alternating polarity [optional on the
> pocketpuppy ] and is entirely solid state.
> The PPM dial is a potentiometer that changes the reference voltage for the
> PPM setting.
>  The SG6 and silverpup will turn themselves off when the conductivity of
> the water is at the desired place..the CM 'might' just display a light to
> tell you when it's done [dunno if it turns itself off or not ]
>  The dials are not calibrated for any specific PPM but will do the same
> thing each batch IF the electrodes are in exactly the same placement.
>  You'll need a meter to tell what that is.
> Using repeatable electrode position to do that job IS calibrated, but the
> choices aren't infinitely variable..but at least you know what the choices
> are.
> There's no way to exceed the max  PPM setting other than to reposition the
> electrodes further apart on the CM or the sg6
> The silverpup lets you go as high as you dare with an auto/ manual switch
> for making CS Gel etc, or use bad water if you have to.  [optional on the
> pocketpuppy ]
>  Polarity change does in fact do "some" stirring, directly between the
> electrodes...sufficient for a quart batch, but better if the jar is about
> the same length as the electrodes.
> Exposure to water vapors is a stir motors nemesis due to eventual
> corrosion...and potentiometers and relays eventually get iffy like any part
> that "moves".
>  Puppy stirrers are never exposed to water vapor and one has no moving
> parts at all... TO corrode and freeze up.
>
>

Re: CS>New here

[Ode Coyote]

Good distilled water is nothing BUT water..no ions..as is de-ionized water.
Two ways to do the same thing

  You control the current to BE low and constant..so you CAN have 'a' setting.
 It isn't like that without any control.
 It'll "run away". drawing ever more current with the addition of 
conductive ions that makes the water draw ever more current.


 Rain water is distilled waterusually in a dirty glass with no sides, 
called air, for part of it's life span.


 "Dead" water may just be water that has no Oxygen dissolved in it.
 Add some electricity across some silver wire to make some Oxygen and 
Hydrogen and you get "Frankenwater"  brought back to life with a silver 
bolt through it's neck.


 New old phrase:
 "Rich as a Transylvanian torch and pitch fork salesman at the *Mobs R' 
Us* store.


Ode


At 04:33 PM 5/28/2009 +0200, you wrote:

Hey Ode,
Yeah, the CM shuts off when it reaches the setting you set. The next thing 
I'm looking at are steam distillers to have our own water. We've been 
using a britta filter, but I've been skeptical of the things, although I 
must say, the water doesn't smell, nor does it taste funny, so at least I 
can drink it now.
I've always thought distilled water, like the jugs you buy for the iron or 
car, the water inside was "dead"... no minerals, nada. But I think I can 
get used to drinking distilled water, if its really not unhealthy to.
I did read somewhere, that you should be able to control the current, but 
I don't understand why. It contradicts what is written elsewhere, where 
the current should always be low and constant. Why would i want to set any 
other settings?
Thanks for all of your input. I've also read a site of yours, or I believe 
its yours, where you comment on certain sites, where generators are offered.

Aldi

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:



The CM uses constant current and a voltage reference to tell itself when 
it's done [as does the silverpuppy and the silvergen]
 The silvergen sg6  is DC output only, the CM has an alternating 
electrode polarity feature that uses an electromechanical relay, no DC 
output, the silverpup has a choice of DC or alternating polarity 
[optional on the pocketpuppy ] and is entirely solid state.
The PPM dial is a potentiometer that changes the reference voltage for the 
PPM setting.
 The SG6 and silverpup will turn themselves off when the conductivity of 
the water is at the desired place..the CM 'might' just display a light to 
tell you when it's done [dunno if it turns itself off or not ]
 The dials are not calibrated for any specific PPM but will do the same 
thing each batch IF the electrodes are in exactly the same placement.

 You'll need a meter to tell what that is.
Using repeatable electrode position to do that job IS calibrated, but the 
choices aren't infinitely variable..but at least you know what the choices are.
There's no way to exceed the max  PPM setting other than to reposition the 
electrodes further apart on the CM or the sg6
The silverpup lets you go as high as you dare with an auto/ manual switch 
for making CS Gel etc, or use bad water if you have to.  [optional on the 
pocketpuppy ]
 Polarity change does in fact do "some" stirring, directly between the 
electrodes...sufficient for a quart batch, but better if the jar is about 
the same length as the electrodes.
Exposure to water vapors is a stir motors nemesis due to eventual 
corrosion...and potentiometers and relays eventually get iffy like any 
part that "moves".
 Puppy stirrers are never exposed to water vapor and one has no moving 
parts at all... TO corrode and freeze up.





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Re: CS>New here

[Marshall Dudley]

No. But I would not take Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, or sodium ascorbate)
with CS. It would likely product silver ascorbate.  I would take it at a
different time.  I also would avoid drinking citric juices at the same
time as taking CS, although I am not aware of any research that
indicates this could be a problem

Marshall

chin...@aol.com wrote:

>
>   Hi,   I am new here on this list and have a question? Are there
> any herbs or vitamins that should be avoided when taking CS?
>  Phyllis

Re: CS>New here

[Val Morten]

when using mild silver protein, i was told to take 4oz oj,or
grapefrute juice 20 min before taking the msp to help cross the bbb.
and no citris any other time.
roger
> 
> No. But I would not take Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, or sodium
> ascorbate) with CS. It would likely product silver ascorbate.  I would
> take it at a different time.  I also would avoid drinking citric
> juices at the same time as taking CS, although I am not aware of any
> research that indicates this could be a problem
> 
> Marshall
> 
> chin...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
>Hi,   I am new here on this list and have a question?
>  Are there any herbs or vitamins that should be avoided when
>  taking CS?
>   Phyllis


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Re: CS>New here

[ChinLdy]

Thanks for the info.   Phyllis


   In a message dated 11/13/03 10:33:56 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

> No. But I would not take Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, or sodium ascorbate) 
> with CS. It would likely product silver ascorbate.  I would take it at a 
> different time.  I also would avoid drinking citric juices at the same time 
> as 
> taking CS, although I am not aware of any research that indicates this could 
> be a 
> problem Marshall 
> 
> chin...@aol.com wrote: 
> >>  
>>  Hi,   I am new here on this list and have a question? Are there any 
>> herbs or vitamins that should be avoided when taking CS? 
>> Phyllis
> 

Re: CS>New here :)

[Marshall Dudley]

Are you sure they are polyps and not sties?  CS works great on sties.

Marshall

Cyenor Persians wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a 12year old tortie Persian,who has polyps on both eye lids :( Does
> anyone know anything about CS  treating Polyps? If not I guess it's
> probably laser treatment for my girl.
>
> Also what about Conjunctivitous? Has CS been successfully used for this?
> Many thanks.
>
> Purrs,Enid.
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit."
> Cyenor Persians ... http://www.cyenor.com or
> http://www.geocities.com/chrislla55/enid/Cyenor.html
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Re: CS>New Here

[Marshalee Hallett]

> I have been purchasing CS at my HFS.  I buy 30 ppm.  Any comments on that?
> I understand that some of you make your own.  How do you know the
particles
> are small enough to do the job?  I would LIKE to make my own to save
money,
> though I am worried that I can't pull it off.  As in I am not handy.  So,
is
> there anyone out there that know how/where I buy a generator, or how easy
it
> is to make one?  Sorry for all the newbie questions.  Just scared to get
> something off the net that may not work.
> Lona'

Dear Lona, Hello and welcome! I`m Marshalee, an oldie but goodie around
here. Here are the directions for the really simple CS generator that I give
to all and sundry who care to know. The CS made this way works just fine,
and is a heckuva lot less expensive, a few cents a gallon.

Here`s how to make Colloidal Silver:

You`ll need 3 nine-volt batteries, the square ones.
  (the Lithiums last 4 times longer than the alkalines, if you can afford
them;
  they are about 21 bucks at Radio Shack)
2  five inch pieces of pure silver wire, 14 gauge, .999 fine, (not sterling
  as it has other metals in it.)
2 alligator clips, (the kind with 2 clips on either end of a plastic-coated
  wire, also available at the Shack)
2 cups of distilled water in a glass measuring cup, (I always use glass to
  make CS in. I have a cup used solely for making my CS.)
A new green scrubber, just for this purpose.
An empty water bottle to store your finished CS in. A pop top plastic bottle
is just fine.

  Rinse the cup and storage bottle with distilled water to remove any dust
or
soap residue.
 Take the batteries and snap them together, one upside down on top of the
other two.
This will leave two empty posts on the batteries.
Connect each silver wires to the two empty posts with the two alligator
clips.
Drop the wires into the water, with about 4 inches submerged, and about 1
inch apart.
(As they tend to float around, you can put a candycane bend in the top of
the wires
and hang that over the lip of the cup, with the connectors hooked to the
bend.) Don`t let the connectors get into the water.
  It is now working. You can`t get shocked by it.
Now leave it and time for 30 minutes. You may notice some bubbles coming off
one wire, and fine wisps of gold coming off the other, that is the Colloid
forming! The bubbles are hydrogen, from the water. There will be a buildup
of fuzz on one wire, that is silver oxide. It is harmless, but you can wipe
it off
with a paper towel. Replace the wires, and time for another 30 minutes. This
one hour activation gives a CS of about 18 PPM.  The longer it works, the
higher the PPM.
  When finished, wipe off the wires with a paper towel, then with the green
scrubber until the wires are shiny again, and detach the batteries. Store it
all in a ziploc bag to keep it handy. The finished CS doesn`t need to be
refrigerated. If you keep the bottle out where you see it, you`ll remember
to take it.
 I take 3 big swallows a day for an active infection, sometimes even more.
(My swallow is about 1/3 of a cup.) The silver particles are fine enough to
be easily excreted, so taking more won`t hurt. If you hold the CS in your
mouth for a few minutes, it will clean your mouth nicely.
I take one swallow a day for a preventive. I use it topically too, and even
in the
eyes. It is mild and doesn`t sting. Splash some in the pits for a natural
deodorant. It is bacteria that causes BO, and since CS kills the bacteria,
no BO!
CS doesn`t taste too bad either. Some folks notice a metallic tang, others
don`t. I put some on my skin and let it dry for a sunburn, and was tan the
next day. I use it for bug bites and stings too. Canker sores respond
quickly.
I have used CS for my pet birds, and always put some in the water bowl for
my Pug dogs. CS is even good for cut flowers, they will last for weeks. It
is bacteria that actually kills fresh-cut flowers.
It can be sprayed on houseplants with fungus or rust.
A dollop in the milk jug keeps the milk fresh for a long time.
There are lots more uses for CS in the body and around the house,
any place bacteria live can benefit from CS.
 I have some wire available that I sell for 5 bucks just so folks don`t have
to get the minimum order, which turns out to be several feet of wire. If
someone does want that much, I send them the phone number of my supplier.
I`m not in CS to make money, just for the joy of helping folks get well
again, like I did!


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Re: CS> New here

[jrowland]

Lona wrote:

> ...How do you know the particles are small enough to do the job?
>
Can anyone verify the following:

> When applying current to silver in solution, metallic silver will always
>
> break off at the same size, 1.26 angstroms (.1 microns).
>
> This particle is so small that the next stop on the road to smallness is
>
> the atom itself.
>
http://www.herbalremedies.com/readmorabcol.html#8
Thanks,
jr


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Robert L. Berger]

Joseph;

You should review the archives as most of your answers are three.

No, you do not want a polarity reversal system. I used to make them but the CS 
particle size to too large.

First what size of device do you want?  How many ounces of CS do you wish to 
make?

The best LVDC system uses  constant current. Use an LM317T and a resisitor to 
set the current limit. The current limit will depend on how much DW you are 
using.

If you wish I could send you a plotting program that I use for the data on many 
of my research runs, and some of hte plots.

First off the conductance of CS does not stay constant it changes with time and 
how it was processed.  There is no two terminal device to measure PPM.. It must 
be measured either by
atomic adsorption  or with a spectphotometer, which I have.

One must have a laser pointer as a tool to give anindication of the particles 
size for the process that you are using.

"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Arthur Rambo]

Hello Joseph, I began using CS to treat my case of Hepatitis C as well.
 I have gotten some improvement, but at the same time (the last 4
months, i have been learning that small particles, and an ideal delivery
system are essential.
 I am in an all out effort at this point to try and bring about normal
function. (I consider normal enzyme levels acceptable)
 I am doing food grade h202, ozone, electric blood purification,
magnetic pulsing, an herbal blend, lipoic acid, taurine, a mix of
vitamins, Castor oli packs, and a colon cleansing formula. 
  (Got a job too :-)
 I'm starting to feel better, and appearance is improving.
 I did not get lower enzyme test from CS only, and I don't think any one
of these therapies alone is enough (for me), but I noticed rapid results
when all are done.
  If I had to choose among them I would have to list them according to
effectiveness-
  H202
  Ozone
  Castor Oil  
  Herbs
  CS- however, since i'm making better CS now, that rank could change.
  Blood Purification
  Magnetic Pulsing
 
 I have a new book that is specific for Hep C called "Herbs for Hep C
and the Liver" by Stephen Buhner- http://www.storeybooks.com
 Reccommend it.
Write back if you want details.   
  


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[joseph fritz]

At 08:03 PM 6/13/01 -0500, you wrote:

Joseph;

You should review the archives as most of your answers are three.


Looked at that have a whole bunch of material to read seems as if this is a 
very talkative list



No, you do not want a polarity reversal system. I used to make them but 
the CS particle size to too large.


First what size of device do you want?  How many ounces of CS do you wish 
to make?


I've been making about 20 oz at a time have a really nice blue arizona ice 
tea bottle I use to store it in
I've been using pure distilled water no CS or salt added silver wires 
spaced 2.25 to 2.5 inches apart using a big coca cola glass to make it in



The best LVDC system uses  constant current. Use an LM317T and a resisitor 
to set the current limit. The current limit will depend on how much DW you 
are using.


was thinking of putting a 1k resistor in series with 30v would limit 
current to max of 2ma is this too high or low?



If you wish I could send you a plotting program that I use for the data on 
many of my research runs, and some of hte plots.


First off the conductance of CS does not stay constant it changes with 
time and how it was processed.  There is no two terminal device to measure 
PPM.. It must be measured either by

atomic adsorption  or with a spectphotometer, which I have.


was just wondering cause I've been thinking of playing around with 
microprocessors and would be nice to be able to program in strength in ppm 
guess I'd only be able to get relative strength can you recommend any 
inexpensive ppm testers that would be fairly accurate without being very 
expensive? or has that already been answered in archives?



One must have a laser pointer as a tool to give anindication of the 
particles size for the process that you are using.


Need to get one how do you determine the particle size?



"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Robert L. Berger]

Hi Joseph;

Most people use an LM317T with a resistor to act as a current limiter.

Two to three mils would work fine for what you are doing.

To measure particle size one has a TEM made at about $100.00

"Ole Bob"


>


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[terry parker]

For Hepatitis C, I have read that megadoses of vitamin C are 
effective...somewhere in the range of 50 grams or more per day. See the 
website http://cat.007.com (I think that's the right address).




From: alltogether...@webtv.net (Arthur Rambo)
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>new here and had a few questions
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:01:16 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Joseph, I began using CS to treat my case of Hepatitis C as well.
 I have gotten some improvement, but at the same time (the last 4
months, i have been learning that small particles, and an ideal delivery
system are essential.
 I am in an all out effort at this point to try and bring about normal
function. (I consider normal enzyme levels acceptable)
 I am doing food grade h202, ozone, electric blood purification,
magnetic pulsing, an herbal blend, lipoic acid, taurine, a mix of
vitamins, Castor oli packs, and a colon cleansing formula.
  (Got a job too :-)
 I'm starting to feel better, and appearance is improving.
 I did not get lower enzyme test from CS only, and I don't think any one
of these therapies alone is enough (for me), but I noticed rapid results
when all are done.
  If I had to choose among them I would have to list them according to
effectiveness-
  H202
  Ozone
  Castor Oil
  Herbs
  CS- however, since i'm making better CS now, that rank could change.
  Blood Purification
  Magnetic Pulsing

 I have a new book that is specific for Hep C called "Herbs for Hep C
and the Liver" by Stephen Buhner- http://www.storeybooks.com
 Reccommend it.
Write back if you want details.



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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Arthur Rambo]

I've done Vitamin C   I.V. 180,000 mg twice a week for 25-30 treatments
at $105 each, and it is very effective, however, when I stopped, it came
back. 
 I didn't know then about it hiding in the lymph as well. 


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Dick Tanguay]

It is my understanding that around 14 - 15 grams of vitamin C and diarrhea
begins whereby you are cautioned to cut back until the diarrhea stops.
Taking 50 grams, there would be nothing left but a pair of shoes.  :-)
Dick

- Original Message -
From: "terry parker" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new here and had a few questions


> For Hepatitis C, I have read that megadoses of vitamin C are
> effective...somewhere in the range of 50 grams or more per day. See the
> website http://cat.007.com (I think that's the right address).
>
>
> >From: alltogether...@webtv.net (Arthur Rambo)
> >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: Re: CS>new here and had a few questions
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:01:16 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >Hello Joseph, I began using CS to treat my case of Hepatitis C as well.
> >  I have gotten some improvement, but at the same time (the last 4
> >months, i have been learning that small particles, and an ideal delivery
> >system are essential.
> >  I am in an all out effort at this point to try and bring about normal
> >function. (I consider normal enzyme levels acceptable)
> >  I am doing food grade h202, ozone, electric blood purification,
> >magnetic pulsing, an herbal blend, lipoic acid, taurine, a mix of
> >vitamins, Castor oli packs, and a colon cleansing formula.
> >   (Got a job too :-)
> >  I'm starting to feel better, and appearance is improving.
> >  I did not get lower enzyme test from CS only, and I don't think any one
> >of these therapies alone is enough (for me), but I noticed rapid results
> >when all are done.
> >   If I had to choose among them I would have to list them according to
> >effectiveness-
> >   H202
> >   Ozone
> >   Castor Oil
> >   Herbs
> >   CS- however, since i'm making better CS now, that rank could change.
> >   Blood Purification
> >   Magnetic Pulsing
> >
> >  I have a new book that is specific for Hep C called "Herbs for Hep C
> >and the Liver" by Stephen Buhner- http://www.storeybooks.com
> >  Reccommend it.
> >Write back if you want details.
> >
> >
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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[CKing001]

My experience with high doses of C is that on the first day you may get the
runs, but the same dose on the second day and thereafter will be OK.
Chuck

Gonorrhea: how a New Englander describes vacationing in Brazil.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:50:27 -0400, "Dick Tanguay"  wrote:

>It is my understanding that around 14 - 15 grams of vitamin C and diarrhea
>begins whereby you are cautioned to cut back until the diarrhea stops.
>Taking 50 grams, there would be nothing left but a pair of shoes.  :-)
>Dick


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Dick Tanguay]

Mu "understanding" and your "experience" are two different things.  I'll go
with your experience.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new here and had a few questions


> My experience with high doses of C is that on the first day you may get
the
> runs, but the same dose on the second day and thereafter will be OK.
> Chuck
>
> Gonorrhea: how a New Englander describes vacationing in Brazil.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:50:27 -0400, "Dick Tanguay" 
wrote:
>
> >It is my understanding that around 14 - 15 grams of vitamin C and
diarrhea
> >begins whereby you are cautioned to cut back until the diarrhea stops.
> >Taking 50 grams, there would be nothing left but a pair of shoes.  :-)
> >Dick
>
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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[Dean T. Miller]

Hi Dick,

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:50:27 -0400, "Dick Tanguay"
 wrote:

>It is my understanding that around 14 - 15 grams of vitamin C and diarrhea
>begins whereby you are cautioned to cut back until the diarrhea stops.
>Taking 50 grams, there would be nothing left but a pair of shoes.  :-)

I was taking 40 grams daily for about 6 months and didn't have that
problem.  Of course, I slowly worked my way up to that amount (about 5
grams/day increment) and worked down again.

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>new here and had a few questions

[terry parker]

According to the information I read, healthy people can tolerate 10-15 grams daily before diarrhea hits, but people who are sick can tolerate much morepresumably because the C is engaged in fighting the disease. I cannot attest by experience, though; the most I've taken is about 10 grams.

>From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 
>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Subject: Re: CS>new here and had a few questions 
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:47:36 -0400 
> 
>My experience with high doses of C is that on the first day you may get the 
>runs, but the same dose on the second day and thereafter will be OK. 
> Chuck 
> 
>Gonorrhea: how a New Englander describes vacationing in Brazil. 
> 
>On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:50:27 -0400, "Dick Tanguay" wrote: 
> 
> >It is my understanding that around 14 - 15 grams of vitamin C and diarrhea 
> >begins whereby you are cautioned to cut back until the diarrhea stops. 
> >Taking 50 grams, there would be nothing left but a pair of shoes. :-) 
> >Dick 
> 
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