Re: [sipx-users] Cisco Hold/Resume

[Joegen Baclor]

This is the INVITE sent by sipX to extension 9630.  Take note of the 
following.
1.  Contact given by sipXbridge is sip:+1214xxx@192.168.2.2:5090
2.  Record-Route inserted by the proxy is
 sip:192.168.2.2:5060;lr; \
 sipXecs-CallDest=AL%2CINT; \
 sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7EODg0NzU1NjYx.\
900_ntap%2Aid%7EODQxMC01NDg%60%212feeb13001a96c3aa0337ff5b7ad52d5


INVITE sip:9630@192.168.2.215:5060;transport=udp;x-sipX-nonat SIP/2.0
Record-Route: 

Call-Id: 68ea044d15efa3fd534fa8de2e105575@2xx.8x.6x.3x-0
Cseq: 102 INVITE
From: "+1512xxx" ;tag=884755661
To: 
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-5573lQWr3kM1kxmqYz5eScEwLQ
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-5570rFCDUPiSnEcmm2e9jPzGig~LtZj4yrJmD_vUR1BPFVudQ;id=8410-548
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-556aS8mAjSeoiXcrkk_WOyyF`A~Gb6iTJqTxGrjsIy6_sOZvw
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2:5090;branch=z9hG4bK9e64cce5cb5d8d1e9811532224296858313831;sipxecs-id=2a38ffa1
Max-Forwards: 16
User-Agent: sipXecs/4.4.0 sipXecs/sipxbridge (Linux)
References: 
68ea044d15efa3fd534fa8de2e105575@2xx.8x.6x.3x;rel=chain;sipxecs-tag=request-invite-z9hg4bk4a823cdc
Contact: 
Content-Type: application/sdp
Allow: INVITE,BYE,ACK,CANCEL,REFER,OPTIONS,PRACK
Supported: replaces,100rel
Content-Length: 254
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:15:59 GMT
Alert-Info: ;info=alert-external;x-line-id=0
Expires: 20
X-Sipx-Handled: X192.168.2.2-60.220.247.5


This is the 200 OK sent back by Cisco.  So far so good.  It is well 
constructed.


SIP/2.0 200 OK
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-5573lQWr3kM1kxmqYz5eScEwLQ
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-5570rFCDUPiSnEcmm2e9jPzGig~LtZj4yrJmD_vUR1BPFVudQ;id=8410-548
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-556aS8mAjSeoiXcrkk_WOyyF`A~Gb6iTJqTxGrjsIy6_sOZvw
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 
192.168.2.2:5090;branch=z9hG4bK9e64cce5cb5d8d1e9811532224296858313831;sipxecs-id=2a38ffa1
From: "+1512xxx" ;tag=884755661
To: ;tag=000f34d70512009962af5853-0d820f78
Call-ID: 68ea044d15efa3fd534fa8de2e105575@2xx.8x.6x.3x-0
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:11:55 GMT
CSeq: 102 INVITE
Server: Cisco-CP7940G/8.0
Contact: 
Record-Route: 

Allow: ACK,BYE,CANCEL,INVITE,NOTIFY,OPTIONS,REFER,REGISTER,UPDATE
Supported: replaces,join,norefersub
Content-Length: 207
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Disposition: session;handling=optional


This is the REFER and this is where the trouble is.
1.  The REFER is being sent to 60.220.247.5:5080.  This is the external 
address of sipXbridge.
The contact sent by sipXbridge is sip:+1214xxx@192.168.2.2:5090.  
This must be the
destination address for mid-dialog request such as REFER.
2.  The route header inserted in the REFER is 
sip:192.168.2.2:5060;lr;sipXecs-CallDest=AL%2CINT.
This is wrong because it is truncated.  Route header must be
 sip:192.168.2.2:5060;lr; \
 sipXecs-CallDest=AL%2CINT; \
 sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7EODg0NzU1NjYx.\
900_ntap%2Aid%7EODQxMC01NDg%60%212feeb13001a96c3aa0337ff5b7ad52d5


REFER sip:60.220.247.5:5080;sipXecs-CallDest=AL%2CINT SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.2.215:5060;branch=z9hG4bK22ea1de8
From: ;tag=000f34d70512009962af5853-0d820f78
To: "+1512xxx" ;tag=884755661
Call-ID: 68ea044d15efa3fd534fa8de2e105575@2xx.8x.6x.3x-0
Max-Forwards: 70
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:12:09 GMT
CSeq: 102 REFER
User-Agent: Cisco-CP7940G/8.0
Contact: 
Route: 
Refer-To: 

Referred-By: 
Content-Length: 0


This REFER will be rejected by sipXbridge because it's as funky as it 
could get.




On 08/16/2012 03:43 AM, Ly Tran wrote:
> Hi Joegen,
>
> Here's a trace of two external calls to the Cisco phone I made.  One was put 
> on hold and the next one a transfer.
>
> Ly Tran
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joegen Baclor [mailto:jbac...@ezuce.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:04 PM
> To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
> Cc: Ly Tran
> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Cisco Hold/Resume
>
> You will usually get better results reporting your issues when there is 
> something the developers could look at.  If it's an easy fix, there is no 
> reason why it can't be fixed.  Send a trace/tcp dump.
>
> On 08/15/2012 05:22 AM, Ly Tran wrote:
>> The firmware running on the Cisco phones is 8-12.  Works only internally.  
>> Cisco to Cisco, LG-Nortel to Cisco and vice versa.  Only fails when calls 
>> are coming in externally.  Fails on Hold/Resume and in Transfer mode, 
>> presumably because the call is placed on hold and MOH while the transfer is 
>> being initiated.
>>
>> No have not gotten a capture yet, but can get one.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
>> [mailto:sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>> Micciche
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:06 PM
>> To: sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org
>> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Cisco Hold/Resume
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 08/14/2012 12:00 PM, sipx-users-requ...@list.sipf

Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Scheidell]

On 8/15/12 12:56 PM, Joegen Baclor wrote:

On 08/16/2012 12:42 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
you hear see the engineers at DOS, DISA, NASA, United Defense, laugh 
when you talk about 'real time java'
Really not a place to ridicule a tool where such tool shined. (coming 
from a C++ perspective)
it didn't... real time java crashed and burned.  the BEST real time 
tools were from QNX, windriver (vxworks), and VenturCom (rtx)


vxworks and QNX on the unix(ish) side, VenturCom on the windows side.

I was CEO of Florida Datamation, largest distributor of QNX in the 
world, I was business development director at VentureCom, in charge of 
the factory automation, real time market.




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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Joegen Baclor]

On 08/16/2012 12:42 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
> you hear see the engineers at DOS, DISA, NASA, United Defense, laugh 
> when you talk about 'real time java'
Really not a place to ridicule a tool where such tool shined. (coming 
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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Scheidell]

I worked for a company that sold 'real time' tools (real time as in, 
missile  control, fly by wire, nuclear containment)


if the tank for 'hot', you need to start the process (automatically) to 
pull the rods in 50 us (microseconds)


someone came up with a 'real time java'.  the biggest problem with java, 
is garbage(string/memory) collection.


it's really pittiful.. you hear see the engineers at DOS, DISA, NASA, 
United Defense, laugh when you talk about 'real time java'






On 8/15/12 12:37 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
Old argument. I've made it myself. Not sure the motive was to make 
people buy more memory, just how they wanted to make everything "in 
memory" and less dependent on storage. It's a two-edged sword for sure 
though.





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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Tony Graziano]

Old argument. I've made it myself. Not sure the motive was to make people
buy more memory, just how they wanted to make everything "in memory" and
less dependent on storage. It's a two-edged sword for sure though.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Robert B  wrote:

>  It's the stupid JVM... All those java processes gobble up memory for
> seemingly nothing more than shits and giggles. (Or it's remnant of the days
> when Sun sold servers and they wanted you to buy as much of their
> overpriced RAM as your wallet could tolerate.)
>
> This isn't a sipx issue, of course. I just strongly dislike java.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
>
> On 8/15/2012 7:27 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
>
> I recently moved sipx 4.4.0  off of an old dell 750 with 1gb ram.  (it was
> crashing, corrupted the postgres db to the point of no return)
>
> I put it on an old dell 750 with 1.5Gb ram.
>
> the gui is SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE as to be unbelievable.
>
> 35 users (including virtual users)
>
> 18 phones.
>
> Mem:   1555052k total,  1514728k used,40324k free,   282008k buffers
> Swap:  6289436k total,  608k used,  6288828k free,   418468k cached
>
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[sipx-users] Thailand DID provider

[Burleigh, Matt]

Anyone know a good international DID provider? Need a reliable provider for 
Thailand.
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Re: [sipx-users] Adding more Sip Proxy Fail replication

[Tony Graziano]

I doubt you have enough RAM for 3000 conference bridges or 2000 users to
operate at any load, and maybe you have the conferences but only have a few
active at any time. If your processors are healthy (higher amount of L2
cache), they perform better. However, the USERUI, conference and media
services will consume RAM. This is not going to change in 4.6. If you would
get serious abut putting more RAM in the box you would find the server can
handle the load better.

For your first two server 16-32GB ram would be a better configuration.
Anytime you go over 50 users, I would recommend 8GB (my preference). Our
minimal install is 8GB so we don't have to fight RAM issues.

In 4.6 you will see USERUI CPU useage go down considerably with the changes
to apache and overall system changes during use. But given the loads for
users/conferences on your two "first" servers, CPU cache and RAM
should definitely be looked at.Always opt for higher L2 cache in processors
for sipx if given a choice.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Martin Rodriguez wrote:

> My architecture is:
>
> * 1 Sipx Proxy Sip Primary in Argentina (2000 users) Dell R210 Xeon
> DualCore X3430 2.40GHz - 8 GB RAM
> * 1 Sipx Conference Only (3000 Bridges)
> * 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in Uruguay (250 users)
> * 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in Colombia (150 users)
> * 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in USA (50 users)
>
> In my Proxy Sip Argentina i have Trunks to Providers and GUI Sipx. We
> were able to detect that the single-use GUI to manage conferences as users,
> generates high CPU consumption problem causing SIP proxy in the primary. Our
> idea is to leave just the primary proxy like Management and add a new more
> powerful server as Primary SIP.
>
> The new  server is Dell R310 Xeoan Quad Core and 4 GB Ram.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Michael Picher wrote:
>
>> i thought i was perfectly clear...  you have 5 now...  max allowed.
>>
>> how many users do you have such that you need a 5 server system.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Martin Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael:
>>>
>>> I still have doubts or think I was clear. I have 1 SIP Server SIP
>>> Primary and 4 Redundant SIP Router. I need add one more in my
>>> architecture. The limitation that you mention, is correct? or Only apply
>>> in 5 Primary SIP Servers?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Douglas Hubler wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kyle Haefner
  wrote:
 > 4.6 does not have these limitations correct?

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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Robert B]

It's the stupid JVM... All those java processes gobble up memory for 
seemingly nothing more than shits and giggles. (Or it's remnant of the 
days when Sun sold servers and they wanted you to buy as much of their 
overpriced RAM as your wallet could tolerate.)


This isn't a sipx issue, of course. I just strongly dislike java.

-- Robert


On 8/15/2012 7:27 AM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
I recently moved sipx 4.4.0  off of an old dell 750 with 1gb ram. (it 
was crashing, corrupted the postgres db to the point of no return)


I put it on an old dell 750 with 1.5Gb ram.

the gui is SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE as to be unbelievable.

35 users (including virtual users)

18 phones.

Mem:   1555052k total,  1514728k used,40324k free,   282008k buffers
Swap:  6289436k total,  608k used,  6288828k free,   418468k cached



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Re: [sipx-users] Adding more Sip Proxy Fail replication

[Martin Rodriguez]

My architecture is:

* 1 Sipx Proxy Sip Primary in Argentina (2000 users) Dell R210 Xeon
DualCore X3430 2.40GHz - 8 GB RAM
* 1 Sipx Conference Only (3000 Bridges)
* 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in Uruguay (250 users)
* 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in Colombia (150 users)
* 1 Sipx Proxy Sip and Conference in USA (50 users)

In my Proxy Sip Argentina i have Trunks to Providers and GUI Sipx. We were
able to detect that the single-use GUI to manage conferences as users,
generates high CPU consumption problem causing SIP proxy in the primary. Our
idea is to leave just the primary proxy like Management and add a new more
powerful server as Primary SIP.

The new  server is Dell R310 Xeoan Quad Core and 4 GB Ram.

Martin


On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Michael Picher  wrote:

> i thought i was perfectly clear...  you have 5 now...  max allowed.
>
> how many users do you have such that you need a 5 server system.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Martin Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> Michael:
>>
>> I still have doubts or think I was clear. I have 1 SIP Server SIP Primaryand 
>> 4
>> Redundant SIP Router. I need add one more in my architecture. The
>> limitation that you mention, is correct? or Only apply in 5 Primary SIP
>> Servers?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Douglas Hubler wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kyle Haefner
>>>  wrote:
>>> > 4.6 does not have these limitations correct?
>>>
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Re: [sipx-users] Adding more Sip Proxy Fail replication

[Michael Picher]

i thought i was perfectly clear...  you have 5 now...  max allowed.

how many users do you have such that you need a 5 server system.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Martin Rodriguez wrote:

> Michael:
>
> I still have doubts or think I was clear. I have 1 SIP Server SIP Primaryand 4
> Redundant SIP Router. I need add one more in my architecture. The
> limitation that you mention, is correct? or Only apply in 5 Primary SIP
> Servers?
>
> Thanks
> Martin
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Douglas Hubler  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kyle Haefner
>>  wrote:
>> > 4.6 does not have these limitations correct?
>>
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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Douglas Hubler]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Michael Scheidell
 wrote:
> 32 bit vs 64 bit?
> or doesn't matter? 64bit usually take up more address space, best I can
> tell.

definitely 64 bit because mongo db strongly recommends it


> any advantage to (on 4.4? 4.6)? backing up my 32bit, getting a 64bit system,
> restoring it?

If the question is : Can I back up a 32bit 4.4 system and restore to
64bit 4.6 system?  The answer is : yes, you can safely do that.
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Re: [sipx-users] Adding more Sip Proxy Fail replication

[Martin Rodriguez]

Michael:

I still have doubts or think I was clear. I have 1 SIP Server SIP Primaryand 4
Redundant SIP Router. I need add one more in my architecture. The
limitation that
you mention, is correct? or Only apply in 5 Primary SIP Servers?

Thanks
Martin


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> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kyle Haefner
>  wrote:
> > 4.6 does not have these limitations correct?
>
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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Scheidell]

32 bit vs 64 bit?
or doesn't matter? 64bit usually take up more address space, best I can 
tell.


any advantage to (on 4.4? 4.6)? backing up my 32bit, getting a 64bit 
system, restoring it?



On 8/15/12 8:54 AM, Michael Picher wrote:

Well, 2 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.4.

4 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.6.


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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Scheidell]

looks like I need a bigger box!


On 8/15/12 8:54 AM, Michael Picher wrote:

Well, 2 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.4.

4 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.6.


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Re: [sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Picher]

Well, 2 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.4.

4 GB is the minimum recommended for 4.6.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Michael Scheidell <
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>  I recently moved sipx 4.4.0  off of an old dell 750 with 1gb ram.  (it
> was crashing, corrupted the postgres db to the point of no return)
>
> I put it on an old dell 750 with 1.5Gb ram.
>
> the gui is SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE as to be unbelievable.
>
> 35 users (including virtual users)
>
> 18 phones.
>
> Mem:   1555052k total,  1514728k used,40324k free,   282008k buffers
> Swap:  6289436k total,  608k used,  6288828k free,   418468k cached
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[sipx-users] sipx really likes 1.5GB ram

[Michael Scheidell]

I recently moved sipx 4.4.0  off of an old dell 750 with 1gb ram.  (it 
was crashing, corrupted the postgres db to the point of no return)


I put it on an old dell 750 with 1.5Gb ram.

the gui is SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE as to be unbelievable.

35 users (including virtual users)

18 phones.

Mem:   1555052k total,  1514728k used,40324k free,   282008k buffers
Swap:  6289436k total,  608k used,  6288828k free,   418468k cached


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