Re: [SLUG] Wierd routing problems....
It already has that option set, I have identified the problem, one server has been "compromised" - it had ip aliasing set for every ip in the subnet. fortunate that I was doing some maintenance work at the time it happened (don't think I triggered it as I wasn't fiddling with that particular box, the same cracker did scan the box I was checking though). The box was running redhat 7.0 and had telnet running (I don't normally run telnet) there was some ipop connections then a telnet login from popsite.net then the problems I've taken the box offline (spare box for people to play with) so I can have a good look see - interesting times I guess. Regards, Mehmet On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Michael Fox wrote: put proxyarp in your options file for the pppd :P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Sony SDT-7000 tape drive problems
At 09:01 PM 5/02/01 +1100, Crossfire wrote: Crossfire was once rumoured to have said: [SNIP] My apologies - mutt and sendmail were being flaky - and I didn't work out what was going on before I suddenly discovered I'd sent this 6 times. :( NAh... More like about 17 times...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
What you're really asking is why Debian is cool. I can answer that. 1) Strong policy 1a - A bitch to install, if your goal is to get a productive system up quickly (vs VERY bloody clowly with NT) 2) Debian is a live distribution 2a - Which can be dangerous - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 3) Receptive developers 3a - No more receptive than SuSE, Deadrat, etc. The centralised bug-tracking is a big plus. 4) Debian has more packages 4a - Hm I'll let this slide. 5) Debian helps you pull chicks Well I don't know about that one... But if I was a chick I'd insist on a prospective bed partner converting 8) 5a - "Number 5, your life is ready... Number..." :-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Meeting - 23rd February, 2001
What happened to the Kylix presentation, will it be on this month, next month ??? haven't heard back from Borland yet, we told them this month is ok but it needs to be confirmed Conrad, Someone mentioned that there is a free version for Linux that is "stripped down" in some manner - if the talk is confirmed, see if you can get them to bring some copies, or give permission for us to cut them for the members. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
quote who="Jon Biddell"
1) Strong policy
1a - A bitch to install, if your goal is to get a productive system up
quickly (vs VERY bloody clowly with NT)
What does strong policy have to do with the installation? Installing Debian
is a little more technically oriented than the rest (ie. it's not pretty,
and it doesn't skimp on the details), but it's the same old stuff.
I routinely get potato machines up and running in 30 minutes. Configged for
the network, and with all the sillier Gnome options changed. The *only*
thing that gets in my way is X3. Such a frustration coming back from X4. :)
2) Debian is a live distribution
2a - Which can be dangerous - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That's precisely why stable exists. If there's any project that pulls "ain't
broke, don't fix" to the extreme, it's Debian.
Some machines *need* to be static, whilst others *need* to be dynamic -
Debian does both in a straightforward way. Choose your poison.
3) Receptive developers
3a - No more receptive than SuSE, Deadrat, etc. The centralised
bug-tracking is a big plus.
Here's a different spin: Debian developers are so receptive, that you too
can become an official maintainer! :)
Bug reporting with Debian is good. It's really satisfying when you get an
email back after reporting a bug - a fix, a new package release date, a
thank you, and a bit of self-deprecation thrown in ("I can't believe I did
that!" etc).
4) Debian has more packages
4a - Hm I'll let this slide.
I think SuSE has more.
5) Debian helps you pull chicks
Must going to the wrong installfests.
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
Damn, Jeff responded to Jon's troll while I was offline... If I get more sleep, will I too sound calm and rational? :P On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Jon Biddell wrote: What you're really asking is why Debian is cool. I can answer that. 1) Strong policy 1a - A bitch to install, if your goal is to get a productive system up quickly (vs VERY bloody clowly with NT) How long do you want a system for? How often do you setup a system to be only used for a week? a month? Take your time and do it properly. I've found the Debian package system keeps the system more cohesive over time . Most RedHat systems I've used tend to degrade after 6 months or so - especially with software being compiled and installed manually. See #4 :) 2) Debian is a live distribution 2a - Which can be dangerous - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you don't want to live on the edge, then you don't have to. If you want to stay up-to-date or help develop Debian, you have the choice. I don't see that choice with RH or SuSE. 4) Debian has more packages 4a - Hm I'll let this slide. This shouldn't be overlooked. It's not simply a "my thing is bigger than yours!" taunt that can be brushed off. When a package is in the main Debian archive, it will get updated with the rest of the system. All those packages you've compiled yourself, don't. So it's better to have more packages in the main archive. This (of course) all depends on the maintainers to keep the packages up to date, but it has worked very well so far. The bug tracking system (and other developers) help keep everything in check. the only problem is that the main Debian servers are/were groaning under the strain of so many packages. /rant ;) -- 8888888 Ian Tester *8)# \7\LINUX: because geeks will find a way [EMAIL PROTECTED] \7\ http://www.zipworld.com.au/~imroy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] What me worry? I read man procmailex!
quote who="Steve Kowalik" Iff (If and only if) formail understands the type of mailbox you are trying to delievr to. formail refuses to grok Maildir's, so I can't use it. formail doesn't care what type of mailbox you use - procmail just waits (thus the 'W') for formail to tell it "Okay, that one's alright", and then continues. Read the procmailrc manpage, the 'w' and 'W' sections in particular. Only because they both use regexp, and have a learning curve like running up a cliff? I disagree - the matching in procmail is somewhat easy to come to terms with if you know regexps, but you only really get the gist of it when you realise that someone decided to make a filtering language using as little characters as humanly possible. When you realise it's not going to make sense, it makes sense. Tyler Durden uses procmail. Lather up! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Fwd: [catgeek] linux install workshop 24Feb01 10am
forwarded from [EMAIL PROTECTED] = linux install workshop 10:00am Saturday 24 February we'll be setting up a new improved internet server for cat. you can participate, or maybe bring your own machine to have linux installed. recommended for people who have already played a bit with linux. entry by donation at the door, or a commitment to help cat. RSVP. [where] indymedia centre, 17 lord st, st peters [transport] Right opposite St Peters station, or catch a 422 bus from the city. Map: http://www.cat.org.au/map12121.gif [contact] Matthew Arnison - please let me know if you are coming [email] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [web address] http://www.cat.org.au \\ [the full rave] // The cat internet server runs active-sydney, along with many other activist websites and mailing lists. It is a PC running GNU/Linux, an alternative operating system to Windows. GNU/Linux is free software, that's free as in free speech, as well as free beer. The current server has been running almost non-stop for about 4 years. But to get many new features that we want, and to improve security, it's time we did an upgrade. We've chosen debian 2.2 linux for installation. We'll be setting up a new machine from scratch, to put online for a couple of weeks before doing a changeover to become the live system. We also want to try and write some documentation as we go along, about decisions and ways of doing things. Our main goal for the day is to get the install done and teach people as part of that process, but if we can help others get their systems installed, we'll do that too. the catgeek mailing archive - technical discussion at cat Archived at http://www.cat.org.au/lists/catgeek Unsubscribe by sending empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] [catgeek] linux install workshop 24Feb01 10am
please let me know if you are coming. i'm not sure if the "bring your own computer to have linux installed" bit is workable, so i am asking people to RSVP. what do people think is a fair donation? $10 unwaged? $50 waged? i was planning to present at the start some approaches and philosophies of system admin, to try and stop too much lost time to discussion of the how. if we need to discuss system policies i think we should do that beforehand, on this list. e.g. that is how we already decided to use debian. can someone please forward this to slug (sydney linux user's group) and rent-a-geek and anywhere else appropriate? cheers, m. = linux install workshop 10:00am Saturday 24 February we'll be setting up a new improved internet server for cat. you can participate, or maybe bring your own machine to have linux installed. recommended for people who have already played a bit with linux. entry by donation at the door, or a commitment to help cat. RSVP. [where] indymedia centre, 17 lord st, st peters [transport] Right opposite St Peters station, or catch a 422 bus from the city. Map: http://www.cat.org.au/map12121.gif [contact] Matthew Arnison - please let me know if you are coming [email] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [web address] http://www.cat.org.au \\ [the full rave] // The cat internet server runs active-sydney, along with many other activist websites and mailing lists. It is a PC running GNU/Linux, an alternative operating system to Windows. GNU/Linux is free software, that's free as in free speech, as well as free beer. The current server has been running almost non-stop for about 4 years. But to get many new features that we want, and to improve security, it's time we did an upgrade. We've chosen debian 2.2 linux for installation. We'll be setting up a new machine from scratch, to put online for a couple of weeks before doing a changeover to become the live system. We also want to try and write some documentation as we go along, about decisions and ways of doing things. Our main goal for the day is to get the install done and teach people as part of that process, but if we can help others get their systems installed, we'll do that too. the catgeek mailing archive - technical discussion at cat Archived at http://www.cat.org.au/lists/catgeek Unsubscribe by sending empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Great SLUG Social Vote
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: You can now vote *and* comment on the creation of a new list for SLUG randomness at URL: http://slug.org.au/. You will have to enter your email address, so we can filter out any bollocks votes. Some of the comments may be published when voting closes, so if you have any wisdom you'd like to share, please do. ... and the results were ... Rodos -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Computers run on smoke. Once the smoke gets out they Camion Technology | don't work anymore. [Anon] +61 2 9873 5105 | -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
Jon Biddell was once rumoured to have said: What you're really asking is why Debian is cool. I can answer that. 2) Debian is a live distribution 2a - Which can be dangerous - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yes? debian adheres to this policy - bug fixes are backported to packages, rather than the package being upgraded to new releases - this usually means that config files and general behaviour don't change, and everybody's happy. 5) Debian helps you pull chicks Well I don't know about that one... But if I was a chick I'd insist on a prospective bed partner converting 8) plug modesty="shameless" Come help man the debian stand at linuxexpo.au! More details soon [hopefully] /plug C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [ANN] Next meeting date?
I definitely find Monday, Wednesday and Thursday better than Friday (and Tuesday). Cheers Zenaan On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:18:39AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: When should the next meeting date be? Our January meeting was held on Monday 22nd as a convenient way to get a few speakers from Linux.Conf.Au to come along and speak. A few people came up to me afterwards and said they preferred the meeting on Monday (or early in the week) because Friday is usually taken up with other social things. Monday (or earlier in the week) also makes it extremely easy to book restaurants (they tend to fall over themselves if they can get more than 10 people in on Monday night) but the after-SLUG bar scene is a lot tamer. If you feel strongly about any particular day please let us know either via the mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Anand -- I close my eyes, only for a moment and the moment's gone All my dreams, pass before my eyes a curiosity Dust in the wind, All we are is dust in the wind Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky Dust in the Wind -- Kansas, Don Kirshner __ SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Announcements List - http://slug.org.au More info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/announce -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] t0rn toolkit
Hi all, I just noticed something very funny on my system, it was a set of programs that was loaded into my /tmp directory named t0rn, which seemed to be some type of trojan toolkit. The funny things is...I didn't put it there, and I'm the only one with access to the box. I am guessing this means security on the box has been compromised, so I was wondering if anybody knew of any monitoring tools that could be used to alert me when some form of login is made. Thanks, George -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Temporary mailbox close?
Hi, I often have staff members going on leave for a term or more. In the meantine their mailboxes continue to fill, is there anyway I can temporairily close the mailbox so that it rejects any new mail and sends a message to the sender? We are running Mandrake Linux 6 and Sendmail 8.9. Thanks Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramatta http://www.olmc.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Great SLUG Social Vote
quote who="Rodos" ... and the results were ... Closing Wednesday, 6pm. :) No results for you! Come back, 7 hours! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Socks for the foot menu!" - Liam Quin (Ankh) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPMs for Debian!
Martin wrote: The lag in producing a stable distro is too long, as almost everyone in the project would accept, and needs to be reduced a little I would've thought this less of an issue these days, now that package pools have been implemented and the 'testing' branch created. For those not in the know, the testing distribution is basically a 2-week-old unstable. Packages can only enter the testing pool after they have been in unstable for 2 weeks without a release-critical bug, and can then only enter if all of their dependencies are satisfied from packages within the testing pool. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Voodoo III X resolution q
'afternoon, all. Alas, my nVidia card is now pining for the fjords, and I have a problem with a Voodoo III. Can't get the silly thing to do more than 1600x1200 pixels. It _should_ do 1800x1350 and more. It has a 300MHz clock and 16 megs of display memory. I'm only asking for 222 MHz and ~5 megs. The relevant modeline # 70Hz x 98 kHz Mode "1800x1350-1" DotClock222 HTimings1800 1900 2055 2350 VTimings1350 1352 1354 1382 EndMode Simply get silently ignored by the X server. When I went from a 2.x server to Xfree 4.0, it said Ignoring mode 1800x1350-1 (unknown reason) which I suppose is a step forward. I smell a bug in the Xfree voodoo driver. Are there any clues in out-there land? Ta. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] getting proftp to work
Michael Lake wrote: I have just installed ProFTP via RPMs to a RedHat 6.2'ish system. When attempt to connect from a remote system I get the message: 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection If I try from localhost I get the same. $ ftp localhost Connected to localhost.localdomain. 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp Well Mike you silly person :-) you have to modify in /etc/proftpd.conf: # Set the user and group that the server normally runs at. # MRL: original line was: "Group nogroup" but there is no group called this on my RedHat # system. Usernobody Group nobody and you forgot to change the line in /etc/hosts.allow to say: in.proftpd: remote machine's name rather than "in.ftpd" Now it works! Thanks Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] getting proftp to work
Hi All, I have just installed ProFTP via RPMs to a RedHat 6.2'ish system. When attempt to connect from a remote system I get the message: 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection If I try from localhost I get the same. $ ftp localhost Connected to localhost.localdomain. 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp I can telnet fine. Now looking a the /var/log/messages I get Feb 7 22:35:58 b4114a PAM_pwdb[1446]: (login) session opened for user mikel by (uid=0) Feb 7 22:36:00 b4114a PAM_pwdb[1446]: (login) session closed for user mikel The above is a telnet session and shows that tcpwrappers is working for telnet fine but I don't get ANY messages when I try to ftp from remote or from localhost. Now as I am using tcpwrappers I presume that as no messages are being logged then inetd is not starting the proftpd. inetd.conf says: ftp stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd in.proftpd telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd in.proftpd is in /usr/sbin as /usr/sbin/in.proftpd - proftpd What might be my problem here? What next can I check? Also what short entry do I put in proftd.conf to allow access from a machine called 'mol' and user 'mike'? I have commented out the Anonymous ~ftp entry. Or do I just leave proftpd.conf as is with no exra entries and let tcpwrappers control access? Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [catgeek] linux install workshop 24Feb01 10am
Matthew Arnison wrote: what do people think is a fair donation? $10 unwaged? $50 waged? !!! $2.00 unwaged (covers coffee/bickies) and anything from $5.00 + for waged. zero entry for those just wanting to have a look and donate if they wish. We do want to attract people to have a look and to get SLUG members to attend and help. $50 would "kill -9" that :-) Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 URL: http://www.science.uts.edu.au/~michael-lake/ Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [catgeek] linux install workshop 24Feb01 10am
|We do want to attract people to have a look and to get SLUG |members to attend and help. $50 would "kill -9" that :-) Tsk, using hardwired numbers instead of symbolic constants. "kill -KILL" :-) But yes, $50 is "a bit" too much. Probably 4 would be right. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian Potato - Sid upgrade.
Afternoon all I am fiddling with my second Debian install. I thought I would try unstable on my portable. Following various instructions found by searching Debian.org Google I did the following: 1. install stable from cd (base only) 2. change sources.list to point at unstable sources at mirror.aarnet etc 3. run apt-get update 4. run apt-get -d dist-upgrade 5. run apt-get -u -f --simulate dist-upgrade (All looked OK at this point) 6. run apt-get -u -f dist-upgrade Apt reports "problems" with a number of packages at the end of this process including ifupdown, netkit-inetd, netbase, exim, mailx, setserial, adduser, ppp. Lots of things seem to be broken I can't see why. Many of the rc.2 scripts seem to be missing. I can't get eth0 to go. Modules weren't being loaded but do if I execute the script in init.d manually. Exim complians it has no configuration file (although there does seem to be one) etc, etc. Could someone suggest whay I have done wrong or what I should try. I thought Debian would handle the upgrade a little more elegantly. regards Steven -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] NVIDIA + Linux 2.4.1 + DevFS now works....
Well, if you've been cursing about the NVIDIA_kernel (NVdriver) module and NVIDIA_GLX not working on Linux2.4.x systems with devfs, you can stop fretting. Due to boredom, and the fact that Nvidia screwed up with the 0.9-6 release which does work on 2.4.x if you don't have devfs compiled in, I patched their NVIDIA_kernel driver. Now it supports devfs so it actually works if you have devfs mounted over /dev. the patch is availible at http://kitsumi.xware.cx/NVIDIA_kernel_devfs.diff No guaranties, etc. Please don't post this to other lists, unless you're mirroring the diff [and if so, please list your mirror, not my site.] And the diff has already been sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - so hopefully it'll make it in upstream. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Web pager designing tools?
I know this has been done recently, but... Anyone got a recommendation for a Linux web page design tool - similar to Dreamweaver? I'd prefer free if possible - but shareware won't be frowned at. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian Potato - Sid upgrade.
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 03:28:24PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone suggest whay I have done wrong or what I should try. I thought Debian would handle the upgrade a little more elegantly. RTFM joking :) I don't know if this is your problem, but sometimes (most times I think) mirror.aarnet.edu.au is a bit slow and packages are missing from it. in /etc/apt/sources.list, below your mirror.aarnet.edu.au line, add a http.us.debian.org entry. ie deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free apt-get update Then I guess you can do another dist-upgrade, or just a upgrade. -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
