[SLUG] samba/dns/firewall question
I'm trying to get Samba working, between Win95 and RH 7.1. I can't get the Win95 machine to see the Linux samba server, though. It is unable to Browse the network neighbourhood. Both machines are plugged into a firewall/4-port ethernet hub, and both can use see the internet, so I know TCP/IP is working okay. I went through the Using Samba troubleshooting guide step by step. Everything checks out up to the test on the Win95 machine that tries to do a net use x: \\posh\public, which fails. Samba uses ports 137 and 139, and I gather that RH 7.1 has firewalling. So I applied some ipchains rules that I garnered from Jon Clarke's firewall.sh script he mailed a while back: #!/bin/sh INTERNAL_NET=192.168.1.0 DSL_IF=eth1 INTERNAL_IF=eth1 ipchains -A forward -p all -s $INTERNAL_NET -i $DSL_IF -j ACCEPT ipchains -A input -p all -s $INTERNAL_NET -i $INTERNAL_IF -j ACCEPT ipchains -A output -p all -d $INTERNAL_NET -i $INTERNAL_IF -j ACCEPT So now an ipchains -L -n shows: Chain input (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports [...] REJECT tcp -y 0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 * - 7100 ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0/0 n/a Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0/0 n/a Chain output (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0192.168.1.0 n/a I think the problem is that DNS can't resolve the 2 local machine names (Samba server posh and Win95 client coo). I believe this is because DNS is being provided by Optus, but posh and coo are are local 192.168.1.* network addresses, so you wouldn't expect them to be resolved by DNS. Consequently, I have no idea to fix the problem! Because /etc/host.conf says the order is: hosts,bind, it appears that nslookup doesn't pay attention to /etc/host.conf?! So if I try to do an nmblookup on the Samba server (posh), I just get: $ nmblookup -S posh doing parameter workgroup = localdomain [...] doing parameter domain master = yes doing parameter preferred master = yes doing parameter domain logons = yes doing parameter wins support = yes doing parameter dns proxy = yes pm_process() returned Yes added interface ip=192.168.1.100 bcast=192.168.1.127 nmask=255.255.255.128 bind succeeded on port 0 Socket opened. querying posh on 192.168.1.127 name_query failed to find name posh posh (the Linux Samba server0 is 192.168.1.100, coo (the Win95 client), is 192.168.1.101 I can ping the Samba server by short name (maybe only because I created a c:\windows\lmhosts file). Everything is set up as per the Using Samba book, except for the fact that I *can't* enable WINS resolution on Win95. When I choose that, and specify the IP address of the Samba server, and reboot, I find upon rebooting that it's reconfigured itself to disable WINS. If I choose instead to enable WINS via DHCP, that sticks. (But I still can't browse the network.) Is this a symptom of the Samba server not providing WINS resolution correctly? With WINS provided by the DHCP server (which knows nothing about Samba), attempts to browse the network take about 30 seconds before they eventually give up and fail. The other way, WINS via my Linux machine running Samba, means the Win95 browse attempts fail straight away. Below, is what I see when I browse the network from Win95 while running tcpdump -i eth1 on the Linux machine - the posh.localdomain tcp port netbios-ssn unreachable looks bad, but I'm afraid I'm well out of my depth here. Kernel filter, protocol ALL, TURBO mode (575 frames), datagram packet socket tcpdump: listening on eth1 17:20:41.917587 posh.localdomain coo.localdomain: icmp: echo request (DF) 17:20:41.917587 B arp who-has posh.localdomain tell coo.localdomain 17:20:41.917587 arp reply posh.localdomain (0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9) is-at 0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9 (0:c0:df:ea:84:a) 17:20:41.917587 coo.localdomain posh.localdomain: icmp: echo reply (DF) 17:21:00.597587 B coo.localdomain.netbios-dgm 192.168.1.127.netbios-dgm: NBT UDP (138) 17:21:00.597587 posh.localdomain.33656 dns.syd.optusnet.com.au.domain: 32878+ PTR? 127.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (44) (DF) 17:21:00.807587 dns.syd.optusnet.com.au.domain posh.localdomain.33656: 32878 NXDomain* 0/1/0 (110) 17:21:00.807587 posh.localdomain.33656 dns.syd.optusnet.com.au.domain: 32879+ PTR? 132.75.2.203.in-addr.arpa. (43) (DF) 17:21:00.857587 dns.syd.optusnet.com.au.domain posh.localdomain.33656: 32879 1/3/4 PTR dns.syd.optusnet.com.au. (214) 17:21:04.287587 B 0:c0:df:ea:84:a Broadcast sap e0 ui/C 17:21:05.597587 arp who-has 192.168.1.1 tell posh.localdomain (0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9) 17:21:05.597587 arp reply 192.168.1.1 is-at 0:4:5a:25:35:b (0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9) 17:21:05.597587 posh.localdomain.33656 dns.syd.optusnet.com.au.domain:
[SLUG] Windows ME and samba
I have a windows machine and wish to print to the printer on the linux machine I have set up the networking and samba and all seems ok I can mount the windows shares using smbmount and transfer files I can see the linux machine in the network neighbourhood thingy. but when I click on it, it prompts for a password and I can go no further. I imagine this is due to the encrypted passwords Windows ME uses, so I hacked the registry to allow clear text passwords but still no go. I am mostly unfamiliar with windows and need some direction here to allow the windows machine to connect. Kind regards Kevin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Epson SC3000 RIP - Recommendations
Hi, John, not much in open source RIP wise that allow for colour calibration, have have many a correspondance with the guys from Aladin - Ghostscipt, but you should have a look at Caldera Graphics. I´ve installed two of these at 2 large format printing houses. Each RIP runs currently 2 52 inch electorstatic printer, the RIP should be able to support your printer. You can download a demo for 30 days. http://www.caldera.fr/ Hope this helps Morrissey wrote: Hi all, Has anyone had experience with TurboPrint or ESP Print Pro? Can anyone with experience / recommend a RIP /Print Server for the Epson Stylus Colour 3000. Current network service is being provided by a Umax 180 with 160 Mb RAM running Epson's prop. RIP. Epson admit that this is a dog and make no apologies for the fact. The real problem is when the same RIP is running on a Mac G4 733 with 1.5 GB of RAM it only cuts the print time by about 20%. The benefit doesn't justify the cost. I've found a couple that look promising and the commercial licenses are affordable as long as they don't add to the existing dramas at this site. I'm proposing that a linux box will be able to serve both PCs and Macs and he's agreed to a trial. I'll only get one chance and only PC available for the trial is a PII 400 with 256 MB RAM on a 66 MHz motherboard I've been trying to tempt this client to Linux for over a year now and this looks like my best chance yet so any pointers will be gratefully received. Thanks John -- Michael Sztachanski Dir. of Tech. Professional Services M 0410 547593 Intaface International Pty Ltd http://www.intafaceintl.com Silly Cracker, root is for Administrators - unknown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Windows ME and samba
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:03:19 +1100 Kevin Waterson wrote: I can see the linux machine in the network neighbourhood thingy. but when I click on it, it prompts for a password and I can go no further. did u tweak smbusers? on redhat it masqerades as /etc/samba/smbusers also - the encrypted password thing is not so tricky -- just a matter of wielding smbpasswd to create users. $ smbpasswd --help usually does the trick for me. -- chris paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Microsoft XP Anti-Theft Features Cracked within Hours of Product Launch
My money was on it taking at least a couple of days, but there you go: http://sourcewire.com/General/Frames.php?page=Releases/ShowRelease.php?id=13489 -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft XP Anti-Theft Features Cracked within Hours of Product Launch
On 28 Oct, Peter Hardy wrote: My money was on it taking at least a couple of days, but there you go: http://sourcewire.com/General/Frames.php?page=Releases/ShowRelease.php?id=13489 Yeah, we have the devils0wn release (no activation thingos) on one of our boxen atm... it's kinda pretty and they've done some nice things although the UI is much more busy. I wouldn't upgrade from 2k though, if I were running 2k... it seems to be pretty similar in performance, although we've not really tested it fully :) Catie -- ___ )_ ( '-,) ) _( )_ \_//_/ _( Catie Flick )___ ___( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )) (( http://www.liedra.net ``- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Thanks for the meeting
Ken Foskey wrote:
they get delivered free M$ software because of a contract by the Dept of
Education and also some issues around that license. There is an implied
threat of action against non-M$ installs. So this is a major win!
As I undertstand it, it is NOT free to the school. The cost of the MS
licences comes out of each school's budget allocation and they have an
uphill battle on their hands for it not to be charged(confiscated) as
the Dept knows how many PC's they have.
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RE: [SLUG] samba/dns/firewall question
One point, I have seen many windows 9X machines where the SMB system is screwed and required removal of File and Print Sharing off the machine/Reboot/Reinstall it and it'll work again. Usually after a boot up of Win9X, you have to wait a while before network neighbourhood collects a list of machines on the network.. if you can't get this list still after 5 minutes then you probably got this File and Print Sharing problem. You should also be able to see your self on the list, not just the linux box. thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:44 PM To: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] samba/dns/firewall question I'm trying to get Samba working, between Win95 and RH 7.1. I can't get the Win95 machine to see the Linux samba server, though. It is unable to Browse the network neighbourhood. Both machines are plugged into a firewall/4-port ethernet hub, and both can use see the internet, so I know TCP/IP is working okay. I went through the Using Samba troubleshooting guide step by step. Everything checks out up to the test on the Win95 machine that tries to do a net use x: \\posh\public, which fails. Samba uses ports 137 and 139, and I gather that RH 7.1 has firewalling. So I applied some ipchains rules that I garnered from Jon Clarke's firewall.sh script he mailed a while back: #!/bin/sh INTERNAL_NET=192.168.1.0 DSL_IF=eth1 INTERNAL_IF=eth1 ipchains -A forward -p all -s $INTERNAL_NET -i $DSL_IF -j ACCEPT ipchains -A input -p all -s $INTERNAL_NET -i $INTERNAL_IF -j ACCEPT ipchains -A output -p all -d $INTERNAL_NET -i $INTERNAL_IF -j ACCEPT So now an ipchains -L -n shows: Chain input (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports [...] REJECT tcp -y 0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 * - 7100 ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0/0 n/a Chain forward (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0/0 n/a Chain output (policy ACCEPT): target prot opt sourcedestination ports ACCEPT all -- 0.0.0.0/0192.168.1.0 n/a I think the problem is that DNS can't resolve the 2 local machine names (Samba server posh and Win95 client coo). I believe this is because DNS is being provided by Optus, but posh and coo are are local 192.168.1.* network addresses, so you wouldn't expect them to be resolved by DNS. Consequently, I have no idea to fix the problem! Because /etc/host.conf says the order is: hosts,bind, it appears that nslookup doesn't pay attention to /etc/host.conf?! So if I try to do an nmblookup on the Samba server (posh), I just get: $ nmblookup -S posh doing parameter workgroup = localdomain [...] doing parameter domain master = yes doing parameter preferred master = yes doing parameter domain logons = yes doing parameter wins support = yes doing parameter dns proxy = yes pm_process() returned Yes added interface ip=192.168.1.100 bcast=192.168.1.127 nmask=255.255.255.128 bind succeeded on port 0 Socket opened. querying posh on 192.168.1.127 name_query failed to find name posh posh (the Linux Samba server0 is 192.168.1.100, coo (the Win95 client), is 192.168.1.101 I can ping the Samba server by short name (maybe only because I created a c:\windows\lmhosts file). Everything is set up as per the Using Samba book, except for the fact that I *can't* enable WINS resolution on Win95. When I choose that, and specify the IP address of the Samba server, and reboot, I find upon rebooting that it's reconfigured itself to disable WINS. If I choose instead to enable WINS via DHCP, that sticks. (But I still can't browse the network.) Is this a symptom of the Samba server not providing WINS resolution correctly? With WINS provided by the DHCP server (which knows nothing about Samba), attempts to browse the network take about 30 seconds before they eventually give up and fail. The other way, WINS via my Linux machine running Samba, means the Win95 browse attempts fail straight away. Below, is what I see when I browse the network from Win95 while running tcpdump -i eth1 on the Linux machine - the posh.localdomain tcp port netbios-ssn unreachable looks bad, but I'm afraid I'm well out of my depth here. Kernel filter, protocol ALL, TURBO mode (575 frames), datagram packet socket tcpdump: listening on eth1 17:20:41.917587 posh.localdomain coo.localdomain: icmp: echo request (DF) 17:20:41.917587 B arp who-has posh.localdomain tell coo.localdomain 17:20:41.917587 arp reply posh.localdomain (0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9) is-at 0:e0:29:9e:ab:b9 (0:c0:df:ea:84:a) 17:20:41.917587 coo.localdomain posh.localdomain: icmp: echo reply (DF) 17:21:00.597587 B coo.localdomain.netbios-dgm 192.168.1.127.netbios-dgm: NBT UDP
[SLUG] mgetty dial-in, same ptp address
Hi all, So, I have three modems / mgetty instances running on a machine, but it seems that each successive connection gets the same point to point address, regardless of what's in /etc/ppp/options.ttyS*. Those options files look like this: netmask 255.128.0.0 ms-dns 10.0.0.1 ms-wins 10.0.0.1 -detach asyncmap 0 crtscts modem proxyarp noipx server:ppp01 options.ttyS1 has ppp02, etc. These host names are also listed in hosts and DNS, but the connections always seem to connection up like this: ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.0.1 P-t-P:10.0.0.120 Mask:255.255.255.255 Same IP all the time, and unsurprisingly, the successive connections are unable to send and receive data. I'll be replacing this with a portslave/radius setup as soon as I can nut out radius, but in the meantime, where can I look for a fix? - Jeff -- Anyway - I need something more James Bond than Banana Man, if you know what I mean... - Tom Gilbert -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Windows ME and samba
If you are getting an $IPC message asking for a password then you need to enable smbpasswd encrypted file and add the user to it matching the windows users login and password. Read the logs, there is a good explanation in /var/log/samba/* logs... thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Windows ME and samba I have a windows machine and wish to print to the printer on the linux machine I have set up the networking and samba and all seems ok I can mount the windows shares using smbmount and transfer files I can see the linux machine in the network neighbourhood thingy. but when I click on it, it prompts for a password and I can go no further. I imagine this is due to the encrypted passwords Windows ME uses, so I hacked the registry to allow clear text passwords but still no go. I am mostly unfamiliar with windows and need some direction here to allow the windows machine to connect. Kind regards Kevin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] mgetty dial-in, same ptp address
are you sure your not using that IP in the /etc/ppp/options file as it gets read too I'm pretty sure. I'd put all the global information into a common file (ie /etc/ppp/options.server) and then put in the /etc/mgetty+sendfax/login.config /AutoPPP/ - a_ppp /usr/sbin/pppd auth file /etc/ppp/options.server that makes administering alot easier than changing each file... then all you need is just server:ppp01 in each file (sequentially of course).. But check you /etc/ppp/options file or even login.conf for anything... thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:01 AM To: Penguinillas Subject: [SLUG] mgetty dial-in, same ptp address Hi all, So, I have three modems / mgetty instances running on a machine, but it seems that each successive connection gets the same point to point address, regardless of what's in /etc/ppp/options.ttyS*. Those options files look like this: netmask 255.128.0.0 ms-dns 10.0.0.1 ms-wins 10.0.0.1 -detach asyncmap 0 crtscts modem proxyarp noipx server:ppp01 options.ttyS1 has ppp02, etc. These host names are also listed in hosts and DNS, but the connections always seem to connection up like this: ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.0.1 P-t-P:10.0.0.120 Mask:255.255.255.255 Same IP all the time, and unsurprisingly, the successive connections are unable to send and receive data. I'll be replacing this with a portslave/radius setup as soon as I can nut out radius, but in the meantime, where can I look for a fix? - Jeff -- Anyway - I need something more James Bond than Banana Man, if you know what I mean... - Tom Gilbert -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] mgetty dial-in, same ptp address
quote who=George Vieira are you sure your not using that IP in the /etc/ppp/options file as it gets read too I'm pretty sure. It's a zero length file [ bitten by that one before ;) ]. - Jeff -- Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes. - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] mgetty/ppp on same modem?
DaZZa was once rumoured to have said:
Folks.
Is it possible to run mgetty for receiving incoming calls and ppp for
making outgoing calls on the same port?
Yes. I do this at home.
Obviously, the call tyres are exclusive {Duh!}, but if I enable mgetty on
the ttyS0 port that my ppp script runs on, Bad Things happen.
Any clues on how to do this? Access the port via /dev/modem and symlink
it? Or is there some deep dark magic to whih I am not privvy?
You have to use the same port name both ways, that way the lockfiles
play nicely.
Apart from that, it just worked for me using the stock debian packages.
C.
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Re: [SLUG] mgetty dial-in, same ptp address
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:00:42AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: options.ttyS1 has ppp02, etc. These host names are also listed in hosts and DNS, but the connections always seem to connection up like this: ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.0.1 P-t-P:10.0.0.120 Mask:255.255.255.255 What does 10.0.0.120 resolve to? Is that ppp01? -- #ozone/algorithm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - trust.in.love.to.save -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Fixed! [Was: mgetty dial-in, same ptp address]
quote who=Andre Pang ppp1 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:10.0.0.1 P-t-P:10.0.0.120 Mask:255.255.255.255 What does 10.0.0.120 resolve to? Is that ppp01? Yeah. So, /etc/ppp/pap-secrets had three lines explicitly mentioning the IP addresses, like so: * * 10.0.0.120 * * 10.0.0.121 * * 10.0.0.122 Which did not please pppd at all. It far prefers a single line, like this: * * * [With all of the user-disabling bits too.] :) - Jeff -- The Unix Way: Everything is a file. The Linux Way: Everything is a filesystem. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Editing netbank's postscript
Nick Croft was once rumoured to have said: Thanks to a suggestion from John Ferlito (1 Sept), I've put together a short search-and-destroy pattern-matching perl script to eliminate references to m$ in the Postscript output from Netscape-Netbank receipts and transaction records. Uh? Why are you doing this the hard way? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve, but if you're trying to perform a global modification of the positioning of the output, whynot just use translate? C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Wacky ping pattern from BigPond Direct
Anyone know what would cause this? It's a set of ping results from a Big Pond Direct Red Hat machine to a stable machine on a different network. Seems... slightly too neat. PING ipaddress (ipaddress) from ipaddress : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=0 ttl=248 time=2500.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=3520.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=2 ttl=248 time=4850.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=3 ttl=248 time=5920.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=4 ttl=248 time=6990.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=6 ttl=248 time=7170.7 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=7 ttl=248 time=8668.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=9 ttl=248 time=9256.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=11 ttl=248 time=9720.2 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=12 ttl=248 time=10408.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=13 ttl=248 time=11390.1 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=14 ttl=248 time=12630.5 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=15 ttl=248 time=14170.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=16 ttl=248 time=15490.9 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=17 ttl=248 time=16468.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=18 ttl=248 time=18130.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=19 ttl=248 time=19767.9 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=20 ttl=248 time=22070.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=21 ttl=248 time=24690.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=22 ttl=248 time=26850.6 ms - Jeff -- Odd is good by the way. I knew normal in high school and normal hates me. - Mary Gardiner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Wacky ping pattern from BigPond Direct
I've seen similar pattens of ever increasing ping times and it was down to some sort of DNS problem. If I did a ping -n then the problem went away. Can't help beyond that suggestion. On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: Anyone know what would cause this? It's a set of ping results from a Big Pond Direct Red Hat machine to a stable machine on a different network. Seems... slightly too neat. PING ipaddress (ipaddress) from ipaddress : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=0 ttl=248 time=2500.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=3520.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=2 ttl=248 time=4850.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=3 ttl=248 time=5920.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=4 ttl=248 time=6990.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=6 ttl=248 time=7170.7 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=7 ttl=248 time=8668.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=9 ttl=248 time=9256.4 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=11 ttl=248 time=9720.2 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=12 ttl=248 time=10408.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=13 ttl=248 time=11390.1 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=14 ttl=248 time=12630.5 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=15 ttl=248 time=14170.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=16 ttl=248 time=15490.9 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=17 ttl=248 time=16468.8 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=18 ttl=248 time=18130.6 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=19 ttl=248 time=19767.9 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=20 ttl=248 time=22070.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=21 ttl=248 time=24690.3 ms 64 bytes from destination.com (ip.ip.ip.ip): icmp_seq=22 ttl=248 time=26850.6 ms - Jeff -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Wacky ping pattern from BigPond Direct
quote who=Howard Lowndes I've seen similar pattens of ever increasing ping times and it was down to some sort of DNS problem. If I did a ping -n then the problem went away. Nice one. Not sure why that's happening, but you're right. Thanks! - Jeff -- Socks for the foot menu! - Liam Quin (Ankh) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Editing netbank's postscript
Crossfire was once rumoured to have said:
Nick Croft was once rumoured to have said:
Crossfire wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to achieve, but if you're
trying to perform a global modification of the positioning of the
output, whynot just use translate?
C.
Global modification? Well not for all the lines where the height reference
is greater than 700.
Why do this? There's all these pattern matching statements to expunge
the unwanted words. I though one more statement to change a few numbers
wouldn't be such a big ask.
Why not just use translate? Fair enough, but will it be any better than /e
at targeting the height reference. I assume you mean the tr that you can
use with =~ .
Ugh, brane wasn't working this morning - now I know what you're trying
to do.
Try prepending to your postscript document:
/moveto {
dup 700 gt { 50 add } if moveto
} bind def
That'll add 50 to the y coordinate of any moveto statement called with
a y 700.
Just note that some things are *far* easier to do in postscript. ;)
replace the gt with lt if you want it to affect y700.
I really need to drink more caffeine.
C.
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[SLUG] Election time...
Found a spare 1/2 hour to ask the following of the various federal political parties. Perhaps you might like to do the same (only different)? Apparently they are keen to please at the mo'. The search engine failed to find any links on 'open source', 'linux', 'import replacement' or 'GNU'. Is there any information on the Liberals policy toward replacing the $15Billion IT deficit with open source products? Stuart Guthrie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Editing netbank's postscript
Wow! Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Editing netbank's postscript
... and thanks also! I'm still gonna try and find a way in perl, but meanwhile both the cruft and the space are gone. Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
Hi all! I'm trying to find an application like gFTP but that uses scp to transfer files. I know I can do command line but for multiple files I think it's neater to use the two window local/remote format. Is there anything like RBrowser for the Mac available? That is a great app that allows you to choose multiple formats FTP or SCP/SSH and even lets you open files for browsing as though it were on your own HDD (temp copy I think). Have tried goole but didn't find anything. TIA. P.S. GTK/Gnome preferred! -- * * Simon Wong* * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
* This one time, at band camp, Simon Wong said: Hi all! I'm trying to find an application like gFTP but that uses scp to transfer files. I know I can do command line but for multiple files I think it's neater to use the two window local/remote format. Is there anything like RBrowser for the Mac available? That is a great app that allows you to choose multiple formats FTP or SCP/SSH and even lets you open files for browsing as though it were on your own HDD (temp copy I think). Have tried goole but didn't find anything. TIA. P.S. GTK/Gnome preferred! secpanel: SecPanel serves as a graphical user interface for managing and running SSH (Secure Shell) and SCP (Secure Copy) connections. -- Greeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B Imagine working in a secure environment and finding the string _NSAKEY in the OS binaries without a good explanation -Alan Cox 04/05/2001 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
quote who=Simon Wong Is there anything like RBrowser for the Mac available? That is a great app that allows you to choose multiple formats FTP or SCP/SSH and even lets you open files for browsing as though it were on your own HDD (temp copy I think). Hmm, that sounds pretty cool. Now that I have a Mac (thank you Craige!) I will have to check it out. God Mac OS is brilliant. There's a project called YAFFA (or close), which I found on Freshmeat a while ago, but it was the definition of a Freshmeat 0.0.1 release. ;) Nautilus will be able to do these things very soon; they look like 2.0 features (2.0 will be the port to the GNOME 2.0 platform). According to tigert: tigert well it would work if it worked (regarding the gnome-vfs ssh support) ;) I'll keep an eye out, and ask around. Keep in mind that with many hosts you can use sftp on the command line (no dragging stuff around though, it's just like command line ftp). - Jeff -- In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc. - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 12:45, Jeff Waugh wrote: Nautilus will be able to do these things very soon; they look like 2.0 features (2.0 will be the port to the GNOME 2.0 platform). According to I thought it sounded like something Nautlius should be able to do. Is development progressing on Nautilus, it seems to be a bit slow (says me who has not contributed or yet able to!). Other Gnome stuff seems to be rocketing along in comparison. Will look forward to it though ;-) -- * * Simon Wong* * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
quote who=Simon Wong I thought it sounded like something Nautlius should be able to do. Yeah, the Eazel services stuff was pretty cool when it was going, but some of the features like this and viewing tarballs were removed to get 1.0 out. Is development progressing on Nautilus, it seems to be a bit slow (says me who has not contributed or yet able to!). It's going very well! 1.0.5 just came out, and 1.0.6 is around the corner with yet more tweaks. Primarily tweaks and not serious fixes at the moment unfortunately. But 2.0 should bring some good changes. Other Gnome stuff seems to be rocketing along in comparison. Projects like Galeon have an enormous amount of energy at the moment; Nautilus seems to be having a hard time attracting hackers even though it has a fairly clean and easy to grasp codebase. The async, threading, Bonobo and CORBA stuff seems to be a bit scary. ;) But, Darin is an awesome 'project manager' (he can be pretty grilling at times too), and the Red Hat guys - Alex Larsson in particular - have put heaps of effort into making their 7.2 desktop rock; much of that coming from their work with Nautilus. GNOME 2.0 is going... okay. ;) - Jeff -- You know the end is nigh when modern art is relegated to the status of meme. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 13:36, Tony Green wrote: secpanel: SecPanel serves as a graphical user interface for managing and running SSH (Secure Shell) and SCP (Secure Copy) connections. Looks like what I'm after (until Nautilus is suitably endowed). I have installed it and will have a try. Thanks. -- * * Simon Wong* * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Hardware
Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? I've found one for $750 spec'd pretty well as a desktop replacement. Jon --- WTC /dev/null; chmod +x /usr/bin/laden; rm -rf /usr/bin/laden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
* This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell said: Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? I've found one for $750 spec'd pretty well as a desktop replacement. I'm running Linux happily on a 1.4Ghz Athlon without a problem (apart from heat) -- Greeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B Imagine working in a secure environment and finding the string _NSAKEY in the OS binaries without a good explanation -Alan Cox 04/05/2001 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] GUI file transfer using scp (gSCP)
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 02:12:09PM +1100, Simon Wong wrote: On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 13:10, Jeff Waugh wrote: Projects like Galeon have an enormous amount of energy at the moment; Nautilus seems to be having a hard time attracting hackers even though it has a fairly clean and easy to grasp codebase. The async, threading, Bonobo and CORBA stuff seems to be a bit scary. ;) Where's a good place start to get some info on Nautilus and getting into the development... Grab the sourcecode for Nautilus from the GNOME CVS repository (see http://developer.gnome.org/tools/cvs.html for details on using that if you're unfamiliar). Start reading -- it really is the best way. All of the Nautilus development discussions take place on a mailing list at http://lists.eazel.com/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list. Read a few months of the archives to get a feel for what people are working on and what approaches are being taken. Cheers, Malcolm -- Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
This one time, at band camp, Jon Biddell wrote: Ayone know if there are any major issues running Linux (distro will be SuSE, but that's not really relevant now) on the Athlon 1.2gHz processor ? Nup. Choose Athlon/Duron/K7 for processor type when (if) you build your own kernel. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Yes, all those nice busy men from History didn't spend ages perfecting the design of nooses so that you could neglect to make toy ones, did they? -- Terry Horner in akt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes hey ?
yeah funny that, and yet (if i'm not wrong) MACs had GUIs before windows. Xerox were the first bring on the GUI and then it was Apple (i think).. then Windows.. Funny thing today, (Don't want to start another thread) I've just noticed the amount of Windows XP advertising going around with the message Surprise Yourself. I laughed so hard... you see, last Saturday I had W2K problems and a friend gave me Windows XP final release and I installed it.. it would recognise my USB board and that SURPRISED ME.. thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:29 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Snedden, Paul (aus) ATP Subject: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes hey ? See what some unenlightened individuals are sprouting Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary Perhaps I should put this in context. Mr Thurrot's original statement was ...for copycat OSs such a Linux and Mac OS, etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary for competitors such as Linux, where innovation often has equated to simply copying the feature set of Windows, the bar has been raised yet again, this time to stupefying heights. Kind regards, ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Paul Snedden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Moor wrote: I've had reasonably good luck with Abit boards, but dealer friends tell me that their QA has gone to crap. This is true. My first Abit board was the KA7-100, for an 800MHz Ath. Something happened that ended up frying the IDE controllers. I went to upgrade, but of course by this stage no-one sold Slot A mobos, so I had to upgrade to a socket mobo, the KT7A-RAID, also by Abit. In the period since I bought it, the second serial port stopped working altogether, and the first IDE channel isn't detected by the BIOS (which I suspect is my fault). I won't be buying Abit again, but I won't say that they're all crap ;) (If anyone knows where I can get a Slot A motherboard, preferably non-Abit, I'd be interested... I have an 800MHz processor that's yearns to hunt for aliens.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Virtual reality is its own reward. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes h ey ?
The link to the article is here http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_osx.asp He is less kind to Linux and Linux users than Mac OS Yes Xerox did invent the GUI too. Are we just playing catch-up to Windows ? or truly innovating. Chris -Original Message- From: George Vieira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 3:34 pm To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes h ey ? yeah funny that, and yet (if i'm not wrong) MACs had GUIs before windows. Xerox were the first bring on the GUI and then it was Apple (i think).. then Windows.. Funny thing today, (Don't want to start another thread) I've just noticed the amount of Windows XP advertising going around with the message Surprise Yourself. I laughed so hard... you see, last Saturday I had W2K problems and a friend gave me Windows XP final release and I installed it.. it would recognise my USB board and that SURPRISED ME.. thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:29 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Snedden, Paul (aus) ATP Subject: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes hey ? See what some unenlightened individuals are sprouting Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary Perhaps I should put this in context. Mr Thurrot's original statement was ...for copycat OSs such a Linux and Mac OS, etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary for competitors such as Linux, where innovation often has equated to simply copying the feature set of Windows, the bar has been raised yet again, this time to stupefying heights. Kind regards, ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Paul Snedden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes h ey ?
Catch up? [david@fast david]$ uptime 4:50pm up 130 days, 3:12, 5 users Need I say more. PS: last downtime was due to hardware upgrade. Machine serves DNS, web and mail, including mailing lists, as well as general GUI workstation apps. PPS: Apple sued Microsoft for stealing their gui ideas (although they lost). David. On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: The link to the article is here http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_osx.asp He is less kind to Linux and Linux users than Mac OS Yes Xerox did invent the GUI too. Are we just playing catch-up to Windows ? or truly innovating. Chris -Original Message- From: George Vieira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 3:34 pm To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes h ey ? yeah funny that, and yet (if i'm not wrong) MACs had GUIs before windows. Xerox were the first bring on the GUI and then it was Apple (i think).. then Windows.. Funny thing today, (Don't want to start another thread) I've just noticed the amount of Windows XP advertising going around with the message Surprise Yourself. I laughed so hard... you see, last Saturday I had W2K problems and a friend gave me Windows XP final release and I installed it.. it would recognise my USB board and that SURPRISED ME.. thanks, George Vieira Network Engineer Citadel Computer Systems P/L -Original Message- From: Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:29 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Snedden, Paul (aus) ATP Subject: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes hey ? See what some unenlightened individuals are sprouting Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary Perhaps I should put this in context. Mr Thurrot's original statement was ...for copycat OSs such a Linux and Mac OS, etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary for competitors such as Linux, where innovation often has equated to simply copying the feature set of Windows, the bar has been raised yet again, this time to stupefying heights. Kind regards, ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Paul Snedden -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSes h ey ?
quote who=David Catch up? Need I say more. Yeah, we're talking user interface. Uptime means nowt in this case, unfortunately. :) PPS: Apple sued Microsoft for stealing their gui ideas (although they lost). For being paid out untold (NDA) amounts of cash values of lost. - Jeff -- For a list of points detailing how technology has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSe hey ?
IMHO If you missed the ximian demo couple of months ago ..its waaay ahead in terms of innovation - a real outlook-killer. I'm signing up when its released, might even have to boot mozilla as my mail client. Think they need the dosh too. Thurrot is a bit of an MS stooge. Note excessive use of ! on his website home page. It's not objective reporting. Linux is to some degree playing catchup on the desktop but that's OK. I use gnome as my primary desktop and office automation (staroffice) and don't notice a problem unless someone sends me a publisher document. Everything else I can read/write and with (mostly) superior tools. So I think the answer is that we are playing catchup in some areas - particularly in getting the word out - but are way ahead in others. Stability, security for example. Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: The link to the article is here http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_osx.asp He is less kind to Linux and Linux users than Mac OS Yes Xerox did invent the GUI too. Are we just playing catch-up to Windows ? or truly innovating. Chris -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSe hey ?
I actually disagree with the security bit... At least as far as security is concerned, we inherit the benefits of UNIX... Stability doesn't really fall into the inovation catagory... Inovation as far as linux is concerned has just happenned in a range of non-central places. For example, linux has shown a lot of inovation in clusterring. Now any group, company or uni can roll their own super-computer ( for some definition of super ). If NSA Secure Linux ever goes into a mainstream distro, that would definately quality as inovation. The fully preemptible kernel might also qualify, although it's been done before. Hell, some might even consider the timezone selector in Evolution inovative :) The linux world ISN'T a desktop inovator in the way Microsoft is. As crap, unstable and bloaty as their OS is technically ( unstable being now somewhat fixed from Win2K onwards ) they do know their stuff when it comes to making lowest common denominator user interfaces. It's not what I need in an OS, but it's what Joe public does. The Open Source world will get there eventually, but when a particular way of doing things isn't your focus, you need to copy to catch up. For example, Microsoft's use of the BSD network stack... or Apple's conversion to TCP/IP. Both Microsoft and Linux can go anywhere near Mac when it comes to Graphic Designer goodies. Microsoft, Linux, and Mac all don't scale as well as Solaris... To sum up, it's not a bad thing at all to have to copy. You have to raise yourself to other's level first, before you can move ahead. Adam /ramble - Original Message - From: Stuart Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: slug [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: Paul Thurrot - a Windows XP summary copycat OSe hey ? IMHO If you missed the ximian demo couple of months ago ..its waaay ahead in terms of innovation - a real outlook-killer. I'm signing up when its released, might even have to boot mozilla as my mail client. Think they need the dosh too. Thurrot is a bit of an MS stooge. Note excessive use of ! on his website home page. It's not objective reporting. Linux is to some degree playing catchup on the desktop but that's OK. I use gnome as my primary desktop and office automation (staroffice) and don't notice a problem unless someone sends me a publisher document. Everything else I can read/write and with (mostly) superior tools. So I think the answer is that we are playing catchup in some areas - particularly in getting the word out - but are way ahead in others. Stability, security for example. Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP wrote: The link to the article is here http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_osx.asp He is less kind to Linux and Linux users than Mac OS Yes Xerox did invent the GUI too. Are we just playing catch-up to Windows ? or truly innovating. Chris -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] KDE on Debian - per user environment variables
All, I hope you can be a little more helpful than the wilfully useless lot on Debian-KDE. I am trying to set up some per user environmentals on KDE 2.2.1 on Debian Woody. Eg HTTP_PROXY for my setiathome account, plus adding ~/bin to my personal account's path. Adding these to .bash_profile has no effect (I recall it working for Gnome before I defected). Anybody offer a clue on this? Anything than go back to that ghastly mish-mash, Gnome. -- David Some weeks it looks like Redmond feels entitled to capture not just part of what we save, but all of it. That just isn't going to fly with corporate America forever. When your margins are more sensitive to Bill Gates' pricing whims than they are [to] the price of oil, that's an untenable position for a large company to be in. - John Chapman, Sr. Technology Executive, Amoco -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] automounters
'tag alles, Gus (and others), which was the automounter you said you preferred on Friday? amd or autofs? - Jeff -- Laughter is a force for democracy. - John Cleese -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] KDE on Debian - per user environment variables
quote who=David Fisher Eg HTTP_PROXY for my setiathome account, plus adding ~/bin to my personal account's path. Adding these to .bash_profile has no effect (I recall it working for Gnome before I defected). How about .profile? Does KDE have a .kderc ish file like .gnomerc? Anybody offer a clue on this? Anything than go back to that ghastly mish-mash, Gnome. Ow, that's a bit harsh. You're welcome to mail me your experiences if you want - things do change. - Jeff -- It makes perfect sense. If you're a narcissistic arsehole spawned from a curdled gene pool. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] mgetty/ppp on same modem?
Folks.
Is it possible to run mgetty for receiving incoming calls and ppp for
making outgoing calls on the same port?
Obviously, the call tyres are exclusive {Duh!}, but if I enable mgetty on
the ttyS0 port that my ppp script runs on, Bad Things happen.
Any clues on how to do this? Access the port via /dev/modem and symlink
it? Or is there some deep dark magic to whih I am not privvy?
DaZZa
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