RE: [SLUG] XDMCP, CYGWIN and Debian Linux

[Ken Foskey]

On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 18:38, Louis wrote:
> [Louis] is my replies ...
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Foskey

> > I have debian and the gdm is set up for access.  To prove 
> > what the problem is you might try and `telnet  177".
> 
> [Louis] Sorry. I presume u mean telnet from the Windows machine. Out of
> curiosity what is 777 for ?

Well it was 177...

The purpose of telnet is to check that a port is open and available.  So
imagine that you wanted to check that ssh was having problems (most of
you will have ssh installed...).  You can check that the port is
available to connect remotely to try it out.  How do we do this.

Find out the port number for ssh look in /etc/services.  we find
"22/tcp".  From my example for X if you look further down for 177 you
find it is:

xdmcp   177/tcp # X Display Mgr. Control Proto

So you can connect to the server using port 177 and get to the xdcmp
server (X).

What use is this,  well if you cannot communicate then your problem is:

a) Cannot connect using that IP (check ping).

b) The services is not up (restart whatever)

c) There is some sort of firewall in the way. (check personal firewall,
especially redhat).

So you can test that ssh is open simply by telnet  1.2.3.4 22 for
example:

froddo: /etc
$ telnet 127.0.0.1 22
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 Debian 1:3.6.1p2-12

You could technically then start connecting to ssh.  At least you know
the port is there.  Let's try X:

froddo: /etc
$ telnet 127.0.0.1 177
Trying 192.168.0.105...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

Urk bad advise...  X appears to have a little more involved.



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Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI

[mlh]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:44:43 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> @amos.mailshell.com. So, for instance, when I filed a Debian bug report
> I used [EMAIL PROTECTED] and when I startted getting
> ONLY spam on this address (which mailshell many times also detects, depends
> ony the settings I put on it) I just deleted the address.

There is still a possibility of you getting legitimate mail on this 
address, so that's a bit unfriendly.

I haven't changed my email address in almost 10 years, so I think
I've reached spam saturation a long time ago.  In fact in one
of zip's ultimately attempts at stopping spam, they used a zip.net.au
domain for usenet postings.  But all this means these days is that
I get two copies of a lot of spam -- one for net.au, one for com.au.
Oh and also zipworld.com.au too!

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[SLUG] Time display aberation

[Nicholas Tomlin]

hell sluggers;

Here´s a curiosity for you

I think I may have a virus, but I´m not sure, some one may advise..

My time clock is showing time in Los Angeles format.. 3:07 am here on my 
display - it was in good old DST here near old Sydney Town, K Mail is not 
downloading mail. I know I didn´t change it, but I´m not discounting that 
someone else here did, but I doubt it.

Anyone have any suggestions on how this time change has been effected?

I have a Linux Mandrake 9.2 box.

TIA

Nicholas Tomlin.

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[SLUG] SLUG Annual General Meeting: Friday 26th March, 7:15pm

[Mary Gardiner]

SLUG's Annual General Meeting

The Sydney Linux Users Group will hold its Annual General Meeting on
Friday 26th March.

Time: 7:15pm

Location: Room 1.04.06 (booking to be confirmed), University of
Technology Sydney.

The agenda for the Annual General Meeting will be:

1. President's report 2003-2004
2. Treasurer's report 2003-2004
3. Election of 2004-2005 SLUG committee



Memberships

All current financial memberships of SLUG expire before the AGM. If you
want to participate in the election, you will need to pay $25 for
2004-2005 SLUG membership either before or at the AGM.

Membership can be paid for in person to the treasurer, Jamie Wilkinson,
or by cheque to the address listed on:
http://www.slug.org.au/contacts.html

If paying by cheque, please clearly note that your cheque is for
2004-2005 SLUG membership, and provide us with your full name, postal
address and email address.



NOTE: This mail is not the official notice of the AGM as required by the
constitution of SLUG. The official notice will be sent to all current
financial members as soon as the room booking is confirmed.



Mary Gardiner,
SLUG Secretary


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Re: [SLUG] Re: DSPAM vs SpamAssassin FYI

[slug]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There is still a possibility of you getting legitimate mail on this

address, so that's a bit unfriendly.
 

That's why I kept this address available for a long time (e.g. to track 
the bug and
provide more info if required), but after a few months of getting only 
spam through
there (which was probably due to this address being availabled through 
Debian's
bug-tracking system) I shut it down. Had I used my generic address 
directly I wouldn't
even be able to know how the spammer got my address, let alone block it 
so easely
(e.g. I keep getting spam from an address I gave only to a well-known 
economic news
paper web site).

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[SLUG] Election of 2004-2005 committee members

[Mary Gardiner]

Hey everyone,

The 2004-2005 SLUG committee will be elected at the AGM at the end of
March, so it's time to think about joining the SLUG team...

The committee has 7 positions: president, vice-president, secretary,
treasurer, and 3 others. We're taking nominations as of now right up
until the election.

I'm putting details of the election up on
http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html this year, so I won't post
regular updates to the announce list, however, here's a summary.

Positions:
president, vice-president, secretary, treasurer, and 3 others.

Responsibilities:
monthly committee meetings, a commitment to helping out with SLUG.
No experience necessary!

Nominating:
To nominate yourself or someone else, send a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Candidates can also make a 300 word (strict limit)
statement about themselves.

All nominations must be seconded to be valid. The candidate, the
nominator and the seconder must all be 2004-2005 financial members.

Proxies:
If you want to vote or stand but can't be there, please let
[EMAIL PROTECTED] know the name of a proxy. If you can't
organise a proxy, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and one of the current
committee members will hold your proxy vote.

If you're a candidate and can't be there, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and one of the current committee members will make a statement for
you.

Reminder: See http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html for updates!

Mary Gardiner,
SLUG Secretary (2003-2004), Returning Officer.


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[SLUG] nomation: robert collins

[Robert Collins]

Looks like this year will be a little less insane for me. So, I'm
nominating myself for either VP or ordinary committee member.

I've been an active financial member for a year now, and a lurker before
that. I'm an active contributor to a number of open source projects, and
an IT consultant - giving me a broad view of both the community, and the
commercial side of Linux. I commit fully to the things I attempt (which
is why I didn't stand at the mid-term impromptu nominations, as at that
point I did not have the time). With my dig-in and do attitude & public
speaking experience, I can help make 2004-2005 the best SLUG year yet -
helping our community meet it's goals (whatever they may be for the
coming year).

Rob

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Re: [SLUG] Election of 2004-2005 committee members

[Jeff Waugh]

> Nominating:
> To nominate yourself or someone else, send a mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Candidates can also make a 300 word (strict limit)
> statement about themselves.
> 
> All nominations must be seconded to be valid. The candidate, the
> nominator and the seconder must all be 2004-2005 financial members.

I would like to nominate Chris Deigan for an honorary general committee
member position again this year. Chris is an enthusiastic member of the SLUG
community, participating on the mailing lists and IRC channel, at SLUG and
SIG events, and helping to administer the SLUG server and websites. As Chris
is underage, he is unable to be elected to the committee, or legally hold an
official position of responsibility in the organisation. He has been an
honorary member of the SLUG committee for a year now, and I would like to
see him accepted to this position again!

Thanks very much to Chris for his participation and energy this year, and
thanks also to his Mum, whom we see almost as often as Chris! :-)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] nomation: robert collins

[Jeff Waugh]

> Looks like this year will be a little less insane for me. So, I'm
> nominating myself for either VP or ordinary committee member.

Seconded on both counts. Hooray!

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Election of 2004-2005 committee members

[Robert Collins]

On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 23:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> I would like to nominate Chris Deigan for an honorary general committee
> member position again this year.

Seconded. There is no Cabal.

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Re: [SLUG] nomation: robert collins

[Bruce Badger]

On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 23:05, Robert Collins wrote:
> Looks like this year will be a little less insane for me. So, I'm
> nominating myself for either VP or ordinary committee member.

Seconded for both.

Good luck, Rob!

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Re: [SLUG] Election of 2004-2005 committee members

[Mary Gardiner]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 23:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > I would like to nominate Chris Deigan for an honorary general committee
> > member position again this year.
> 
> Seconded. There is no Cabal.

Updated http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html

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Re: [SLUG] nomation: robert collins

[Mary Gardiner]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2004, Robert Collins wrote:
> Looks like this year will be a little less insane for me. So, I'm
> nominating myself for either VP or ordinary committee member.

Updated http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html

Can't promise my turnaround time will be this fast for all nominees. Get
it while it's hot!

-Mary
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[SLUG] Someone is trying to bounce off my apache to spam

[Slug]

Hi there folks,

Someone has been using a mod_proxy to send spam off my machine. The way
I'm reading this is that the server is now rejecting their attempts with
a 502 error:

66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:46:19 +1100] "POST
http://202.154.92.226:25/ HTTP/1.1" 502 421 "-" "-"
66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:49:28 +1100] "QUIT" 501 405 "-" "-"
66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:46:32 +1100] "POST
http://202.154.83.58:25/ HTTP/1.1" 502 421 "-" "-"

BTW if anyone can suggest how I stop this d*ckh**d from sending this
dros I'd appreciate it. I am not prepared to hack their machine but am
prepared to be told how to get them legitimately closed down.

FYI I installed 9.2 Mandrake with apache 2 and postfix. The mod_proxy
bit was totally commented out in the conf so I'm mystified as to why it
was letting this happen at all. Anyway after uncommenting it and doing a
DENY ALL it seems to be rejecting everything.

Comments most appreciated as this is pissing me off.

ATB

Stu

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Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1

[Jeff Waugh]

> Will postfix be better able to handle this sort of problem and cut the
> connection or is it more likely the mail server?

Using postfix to do proxying means you get the benefit of a complete MTA
with queueing and whatnot to handle problems on either end (their server or
your server).

One big disadvantage is that a postfix relay *won't* know the valid users on
your mail server, so will accept and relay everything. That's bad. If you
can suck out the valid users/domains from your 'real' server, you can use
them with relay_recipient_maps.

So, setup summary:

  * Add the domain you want to relay for to relay_domains, so mails to it
will be accepted by your postfix server. In main.cf:

  relay_domains = pants.org

  * Add the domain and destination to your transport map. For example, in
/etc/postfix/transport you would add:

  # domain to relay   internal machine to relay to
  pants.org   smtp:[192.168.10.1]

  * Ensure that postfix is using your transport map, by adding it to your
transport_maps in main.cf:

  transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport

Done! relay_recipient_maps bits are up to you, but ping if you need a hand.

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jeff Waugh]

> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 13:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Use amavisd-new and clamav-daemon together. Great combo.
> 
> The most critical thing about virus scanners is the virus definitions -
> how correct they are and the timeliness that they are updated.
> 
> What is the source of the definitions for these apps and how do you find
> them wrt the above, Jeff and others?

The clamav project is really good with virus updates. They even had stuff
out for MyDoom and Bagle before a lot of the big guys. There was quite a bit
of to-and-fro on the postfix mailing list the other week with admins looking
for first-matches in their logs, comparing their update regularity and when
their anti-virus software found MyDoom for the first time. clamav was doing
pretty well. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1

[Simon Wong]

On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 17:48, David Kempe wrote:
> I would have said postfix for mail proxying - the /etc/postfix/transport 
> table is really quite flexible and easy to setup.
> simon, give postfix a go - I can post a sample transport/mail host setup 
> if you like

Dave, that would be good.  I only want a very simple mail relay such
that my mail server is not on the pubic Internet.

One problem I keep having with moxy is that I get errors like:

moxy[27220]: Problem receiving from remote host: Bad file
descriptor

Which keep filling up my maillog and drive within a day bringing
everything to a grinding halt :-(

Will postfix be better able to handle this sort of problem and cut the
connection or is it more likely the mail server?

Also, I see that Fedora has no specific rpm, would an RH9 rpm work?

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RE: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux

[Kevin Fitzgerald]

Hi Sonia

Heres a little twist. I use RH9 (Fedora now) and Ximian Desktop 2. In
Ximian desktop is an app that lets you completely log in to any windows
terminal server. I have used the citrix ICA under Linux and it's not
bad..but this is better. Check it out. I have been a Windows
Sysadmin for the last 10 or so years and I've only switched to Linux a
year ago, ut my laptop needs to access all my clients old windows
servers (Until I convince them to become Linux sites). The reason I
mention this is so you know what level of stability and access I am
getting from XD2.

The other good thing about XD2 is that it is very good for weaning
Windows users across. It is really familiar to them and most of the
users I've tried have adapted to the new environment in no time.

So theres my 2 cents worth. Hope it helps.

Kev


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Grant Parnell
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 9:12 AM
To: Sonia Hamilton
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux


On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Sonia Hamilton wrote:

> One of my clients is planning to upgrade their network, and I'm 
> pricing MS (Terminal services + a whole n/w of new desktops + licenses

> - ouch). What I want to do is put Linux on all the old desktops, and 
> have graphical access to 1 windows machine - what can I run on Linux 
> that will do this?
> 
> I know I can use VNC, but it's a bit clunky, especially since the 1 
> Windows app that the users need to access is their main app (which 
> they use all day).
> 
> Anyone had experience with the Citrix ICA Client running on Linux? It 
> looks promising.
> 
> Any other hints as to what I could use?

I've read the other replies to date and have more to add. I guess I'm 
slightly biased as I work for EverythingLinux which sells some of the 
products I'm going to mention.

Win4Lin Terminal Server 3.0 (5 users $882.75) plus 5 licenses for
(Win95, 
Win95OSR2, Win98, Win98se, Windows ME). IE no additional CAL's.

This solution requires a good sized server running Linux with a Win4Lin 
enabled kernel (they offer rpm's for various distros - plus open source 
patch). Then you install the Windows install files and each user runs
the 
'win' application as needed which launches a real copy of Windows. 
Licensing required is only for Win4Lin and the number of CONCURRENT 
windows users - ie it tells you something like "Too many users" when you

try to run it. We had a copy running on RedHat 7.1 for about 2 years but

decided to migrate it to a single workstation as we now only have one 
occasional user. (Laura running Photoshop / Corel for doing SOME 
advertising graphics which requires CMYK output - Gimp's catching up 
though).

The same server or another server could be used to support PXE booting
of 
the workstations and act as a Linux Application server (ie all the apps 
run on it with screens exported to the workstation's X server). This
means 
you don't need grunty workstations with disk drives or fans or any
moving 
parts and yeah we sell them too .

Another possibility is Wine or Crossover Office which is the up-to-date
commercial version of wine. Thanks to Code Weavers you can run an
impressive array of Windows apps without having a single copy of
Windows. MS-Office, Inernet Explorer (why bother?), Adobe products to
name a few I've setup for a client. For those that don't know this is
achieved by writing from scratch libraries that emulate the function
calls available to Windows applications and that's VERY impressive! It
is however why some apps don't yet run, they call a function that's not
yet implimented - something that doesen't happen with the solutions I
mentioned earlier.

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Simon Wong wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 13:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Use amavisd-new and clamav-daemon together. Great combo.
> 
> The most critical thing about virus scanners is the virus definitions
> - how correct they are and the timeliness that they are updated.
> 
> What is the source of the definitions for these apps and how do you
> find them wrt the above, Jeff and others?

amavis is simply a daemon that allows easy wrapper of other scanners so
afaik doesn't have a definition file.

clamav make their virus definitions available on the net and update them
daily (or more often). There is a clamav daemon that can download signed
signature packages regularly. The daemon is called freshclam.

See http://www.clamav.net/

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Re: [SLUG] St George ibank

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Mark M wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have been using st george ibank for about 2yrs now, with few hassles.
> 
> About 2 weeks ago they changed something and I cannot log on. Does
> anyone else use stgeorge bank and have any luck?

Have a look through the last two weeks of SLUG mail for previous
discussion of this: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/02/
(search for "St George"). There's also been some discussion on
slug-chat: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug-chat/2004/02/

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RE: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux

[Ron Daniel]

We have dipped our toes in this water and can report the following :

Application : Remote access to windows dependant applications for 12
users across IP Wan.

Previous solution : Windows XP workstation per user in the computer room
with separate machine designated to each remote user.

Problems : managing users is painful, seeing who is doing what
impossible, a growing stack of dedicated machines rapidly running out of
vertical stack space.

I know I could have used terminal server and windows server and all that
guff, would have been expensive.

Current solution :

One linux server, running win4lin, with apps loaded under win4lin
Clients user Cygwin to establish X session to server. (A window in a
window, justy like RDP or windows T-S anyway) Clients use samba and
windows Ip networking to share drives and printers in their local lan
and the remote lan.

Problems :
How come I don't have to reboot every other day ? :-)
User session runs windows 98 which looks a little dated, but hey, it
works.

Advantages : 

One machine in the computer room
Easy user admin
Locked down user configurations.
Others I haven't got the time to list.

I can put you onto the guys that helped us do this if you wish. 


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From: Grant Parnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 9:12 AM
To: Sonia Hamilton
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Sonia Hamilton wrote:

> One of my clients is planning to upgrade their network, and I'm
pricing MS
> (Terminal services + a whole n/w of new desktops + licenses - ouch).
What
> I want to do is put Linux on all the old desktops, and have graphical
> access to 1 windows machine - what can I run on Linux that will do
this?
> 
> I know I can use VNC, but it's a bit clunky, especially since the 1
> Windows app that the users need to access is their main app (which
they
> use all day).
> 
> Anyone had experience with the Citrix ICA Client running on Linux? It
> looks promising.
> 
> Any other hints as to what I could use?

I've read the other replies to date and have more to add. I guess I'm 
slightly biased as I work for EverythingLinux which sells some of the 
products I'm going to mention.

Win4Lin Terminal Server 3.0 (5 users $882.75) plus 5 licenses for
(Win95, 
Win95OSR2, Win98, Win98se, Windows ME). IE no additional CAL's.

This solution requires a good sized server running Linux with a Win4Lin 
enabled kernel (they offer rpm's for various distros - plus open source 
patch). Then you install the Windows install files and each user runs
the 
'win' application as needed which launches a real copy of Windows. 
Licensing required is only for Win4Lin and the number of CONCURRENT 
windows users - ie it tells you something like "Too many users" when you

try to run it. We had a copy running on RedHat 7.1 for about 2 years but

decided to migrate it to a single workstation as we now only have one 
occasional user. (Laura running Photoshop / Corel for doing SOME 
advertising graphics which requires CMYK output - Gimp's catching up 
though).

The same server or another server could be used to support PXE booting
of 
the workstations and act as a Linux Application server (ie all the apps 
run on it with screens exported to the workstation's X server). This
means 
you don't need grunty workstations with disk drives or fans or any
moving 
parts and yeah we sell them too .

Another possibility is Wine or Crossover Office which is the up-to-date
commercial version of wine. Thanks to Code Weavers you can run an
impressive array of Windows apps without having a single copy of
Windows.
MS-Office, Inernet Explorer (why bother?), Adobe products to name a few
I've setup for a client. For those that don't know this is achieved by
writing from scratch libraries that emulate the function calls available
to Windows applications and that's VERY impressive! It is however why
some
apps don't yet run, they call a function that's not yet implimented -
something that doesen't happen with the solutions I mentioned earlier.

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Re: [SLUG] St George ibank

[Peter Tyler]

Hi Mark,
 I'm using firebird with win2k and Ibank is o.k.
 I initially had some problems in that the security Icon (lower left I 
think) was flashing up then disappearing too quickly for me to access.
 I finally caught it one day when my connection was running really slow 
and reset the security level for that site. Since then it has been 
running fine.
 It seems that Ibank runs on a different domain name so you have to set 
up the security for the other domain not just sgb domain.
Cheers
Peter.

Mark M wrote:

Hi All,

I have been using st george ibank for about 2yrs now, with few hassles.

About 2 weeks ago they changed something and I cannot log on. Does
anyone else use stgeorge bank and have any luck?
The compatibility tests say that I do not have 128 bit ecnryption. But
mozilla (1.5 and 1.6) have all rsa encryptions enabled at all strengths
(including 128bit).
I upgraded j2re to 1.4.2 and still no luck.

Customer feedback just says that only windows is supported, but you may
be luck with other os's. My NT4 doesn't work, and I only have access to
public win2k machines.
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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[John Clarke]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:22:57 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> The clamav project is really good with virus updates. They even had stuff
> out for MyDoom and Bagle before a lot of the big guys. There was quite a bit

clamav was the first to detect MyDoom:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.virus.clamav.user/4735/

I update my virus db hourly via cron.  I didn't get a MyDoom-infected
message (clamav caught and discarded them all) until a week or so after
the outbreak when the hard disc on my mail server died and I
temporarily brought up a backup server without virus scanning - then I
got over 300 copies in an hour and a half, and about 50 of those were
bounces from other virus scanners.


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Re: [SLUG] freeswan on debian

[Alexander Samad]

yeah sorry.

What I was getting at is that i use the make-kpkg process to build my
own kernel, just so that I can get ipsec and NAT'ing working on the same
box.

But I recently changed my setup so that I don't need NAT'ing and IPSEC
on the same box (not ideal), this is so I can go to 2.6.x and the native
IPSEC stack.  I believe there is going to be a patch for netfilter
(soon) which will fix this problem.

Which will mean I have to go back to building patched kernel's again.

A


On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:39:08AM +1000, Simon Wong wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 13:32, Alexander Samad wrote:
> > I use 2.4.22 (from kernel.org), freeswan 2.01-3 (from debian).  I use
> > process to make the kernel.  It comes x509 patch, NAT-T, dead
> > connection check, extra ciphers (AES,...) and allows for NAT'ing on the
> > box as well.
> 
> What do you mean "process" Alexander?
> 
> I would like to get Freeswan working again in Debian.
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Re: [SLUG] Help with exim :)

[Grant Parnell]

> When I ran my old boxes with qmail, we had a sendmail wrapper script,
> that would allow you to invoke qmail just like you would sendmail for
> commandline type sending. How does one do this on exim, as the machine
> in question can't use the php mail() procedure because I believe
> /usr/sbin/sendmail aint available and if I link it to the exim binary, I
> can't seem to find the correct switches to make it work.

Not exactly the solution you're after but I could have sworn php can do 
SMTP directly. That being the case you have the option of sending via 
localhost port 25 or to your ISP's mailserver. In this case I'd go for 
localhost so admins can follow the emails.

> Anyone happen to know? This is driving me crazy after looking over the
> docs and man pages of exim and trying some combinations.

Otherwise... try something like:-
echo "test" | path_to_exim_sendmail_wrapper  \
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As somebody suggested, maybe move /usr/bin/sendmail to 
/usr/bin/sendmail.really and write a shell script for /usr/bin/sendmail to 
log stuff like command line etc then call sendmail.really.

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Re: [SLUG] Someone is trying to bounce off my apache to spam

[kevin . saenz]

You could try denying them using IPtables.
Was your log info from your apache logs or from postfix logs?





Hi there folks,

Someone has been using a mod_proxy to send spam off my machine. The way
I'm reading this is that the server is now rejecting their attempts with
a 502 error:

66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:46:19 +1100] "POST
http://202.154.92.226:25/ HTTP/1.1" 502 421 "-" "-"
66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:49:28 +1100] "QUIT" 501 405 "-" "-"
66.166.184.74 - - [24/Feb/2004:08:46:32 +1100] "POST
http://202.154.83.58:25/ HTTP/1.1" 502 421 "-" "-"

BTW if anyone can suggest how I stop this d*ckh**d from sending this
dros I'd appreciate it. I am not prepared to hack their machine but am
prepared to be told how to get them legitimately closed down.

FYI I installed 9.2 Mandrake with apache 2 and postfix. The mod_proxy
bit was totally commented out in the conf so I'm mystified as to why it
was letting this happen at all. Anyway after uncommenting it and doing a
DENY ALL it seems to be rejecting everything.

Comments most appreciated as this is pissing me off.

ATB

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[James Gregory]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 10:11, Simon Wong wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 13:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Use amavisd-new and clamav-daemon together. Great combo.
> 
> The most critical thing about virus scanners is the virus definitions -
> how correct they are and the timeliness that they are updated.

Not exactly on-thread but I thought I'd share an idea I had about this.
It won't improve the quality of the central database, but it might help
save a couple of hours of infected email on a busy server.

So there's a clamav-virusdb mailing list that sends emails when the
virus-db is updated. The idea was just to setup procmail to catch posts
to that mailing list and run freshclam every time there's a new virus
sig posted. I can't justify the bandwidth expenses for the number of
virus emails I get, but on a big server it might help stop an infection
before it starts in your network.

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Re: [SLUG] freeswan on debian

[Simon Wong]

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 13:32, Alexander Samad wrote:
> I use 2.4.22 (from kernel.org), freeswan 2.01-3 (from debian).  I use
> process to make the kernel.  It comes x509 patch, NAT-T, dead
> connection check, extra ciphers (AES,...) and allows for NAT'ing on the
> box as well.

What do you mean "process" Alexander?

I would like to get Freeswan working again in Debian.

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Re: [SLUG] Time display aberation

[Nicholas Tomlin]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:23 am, you wrote:
> A virus. H, that is odd, can I ask have does your uid have root
> priviliges?

no

> You have to be root or have root priviliges to change the system timezone
> and
> time. I think if your system crashed and you are using a file system like
> reiserfs
> then you may loose settings. I have also found my Mandrake will loose it's
> ethernet card. I have put it down to a crappy motherboard and CPU that
> crashes
> when the system get's too hot or over worked.
>
> The other thing is do you have NTPd running? I have found that if NTPd can
> not
> find a time server then occasionally time will jump around. I don't know
> about
> jumping timezones.
>
> Unless your system has been owned, through an exploitable service you have
> left running.

? which one could be such a target and how does one prevent it..
>
> I would advise you have a look for known linux virus, I think there are
> only a couple
> and they are pretty much extinct.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how this time change has been effected?
>
> I have a Linux Mandrake 9.2 box.
>
> TIA
>
> Nicholas Tomlin.


Kevin, sluggers, etc... thank you.

You can stop worrying.. with Linux, in contrast to $M, it is only the idiot on 
the keyboard that causes the problems, this is no exception.

One should restrain children from fiddling with preferences on a computer.

Apparently under KDE 3.1 if you right click on the clock and then select time 
zone preferences, you can nominate which time zone you want to view, in this 
event it was Los Angeles...  I´m still learning how to drive this thing after 
more than 4 years of fiddling with Linux.. and it looks as if I have a very 
long way to go.

Thanks all,

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re: [SLUG] Someone is trying to bounce off my apache to spam

[Nicholas Tomlin]

Stu,

If its good enough for them to try to hack your machine, why not you theirs??

I´d love to be able to work out how to make the present 2 of spam to 1 of 
legitimate email ratio be reduced down to 0 spam and 1 legit, though the pop 
filters seem to be clearing it up with the assistance of my ISP.

Regards,

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re: [SLUG] Someone is trying to bounce off my apache to spam

[scott]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 24-02-2004 12:09:57 PM:

> Stu,
> 
> If its good enough for them to try to hack your machine, why not you 
theirs??
> 
How about, because its illegal!
two wrongs don't make a right.

Cheers,

Scott

> I´d love to be able to work out how to make the present 2 of spam to 1 
of 
> legitimate email ratio be reduced down to 0 spam and 1 legit, though the 
pop 
> filters seem to be clearing it up with the assistance of my ISP.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Nicholas Tomlin.
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[SLUG] St George ibank

[Mark M]

Hi All,

I have been using st george ibank for about 2yrs now, with few hassles.

About 2 weeks ago they changed something and I cannot log on. Does
anyone else use stgeorge bank and have any luck?

The compatibility tests say that I do not have 128 bit ecnryption. But
mozilla (1.5 and 1.6) have all rsa encryptions enabled at all strengths
(including 128bit).

I upgraded j2re to 1.4.2 and still no luck.

Customer feedback just says that only windows is supported, but you may
be luck with other os's. My NT4 doesn't work, and I only have access to
public win2k machines.

Thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Simon Wong]

On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 13:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Use amavisd-new and clamav-daemon together. Great combo.

The most critical thing about virus scanners is the virus definitions -
how correct they are and the timeliness that they are updated.

What is the source of the definitions for these apps and how do you find
them wrt the above, Jeff and others?

 



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Re: [SLUG] Time display aberation

[Richard Neal]

I get the same problem

for some weird reason the clock in KDE swaps time zones

fix is:  
right click on on the clock/show time zone/local time

dont use halt or shutdown logout and it usually fixes it.



On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 22:11, Nicholas Tomlin wrote:
> hell sluggers;
> shj
> Here´s a curiosity for you
> 
> I think I may have a virus, but I´m not sure, some one may advise..
> 
> My time clock is showing time in Los Angeles format.. 3:07 am here on my 
> display - it was in good old DST here near old Sydney Town, K Mail is not 
> downloading mail. I know I didn´t change it, but I´m not discounting that 
> someone else here did, but I doubt it.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions on how this time change has been effected?
> 
> I have a Linux Mandrake 9.2 box.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Nicholas Tomlin.
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Re: [SLUG] accessing MS desktops from Linux

[Grant Parnell]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Sonia Hamilton wrote:

> One of my clients is planning to upgrade their network, and I'm pricing MS
> (Terminal services + a whole n/w of new desktops + licenses - ouch). What
> I want to do is put Linux on all the old desktops, and have graphical
> access to 1 windows machine - what can I run on Linux that will do this?
> 
> I know I can use VNC, but it's a bit clunky, especially since the 1
> Windows app that the users need to access is their main app (which they
> use all day).
> 
> Anyone had experience with the Citrix ICA Client running on Linux? It
> looks promising.
> 
> Any other hints as to what I could use?

I've read the other replies to date and have more to add. I guess I'm 
slightly biased as I work for EverythingLinux which sells some of the 
products I'm going to mention.

Win4Lin Terminal Server 3.0 (5 users $882.75) plus 5 licenses for (Win95, 
Win95OSR2, Win98, Win98se, Windows ME). IE no additional CAL's.

This solution requires a good sized server running Linux with a Win4Lin 
enabled kernel (they offer rpm's for various distros - plus open source 
patch). Then you install the Windows install files and each user runs the 
'win' application as needed which launches a real copy of Windows. 
Licensing required is only for Win4Lin and the number of CONCURRENT 
windows users - ie it tells you something like "Too many users" when you 
try to run it. We had a copy running on RedHat 7.1 for about 2 years but 
decided to migrate it to a single workstation as we now only have one 
occasional user. (Laura running Photoshop / Corel for doing SOME 
advertising graphics which requires CMYK output - Gimp's catching up 
though).

The same server or another server could be used to support PXE booting of 
the workstations and act as a Linux Application server (ie all the apps 
run on it with screens exported to the workstation's X server). This means 
you don't need grunty workstations with disk drives or fans or any moving 
parts and yeah we sell them too .

Another possibility is Wine or Crossover Office which is the up-to-date
commercial version of wine. Thanks to Code Weavers you can run an
impressive array of Windows apps without having a single copy of Windows.
MS-Office, Inernet Explorer (why bother?), Adobe products to name a few
I've setup for a client. For those that don't know this is achieved by
writing from scratch libraries that emulate the function calls available
to Windows applications and that's VERY impressive! It is however why some
apps don't yet run, they call a function that's not yet implimented -
something that doesen't happen with the solutions I mentioned earlier.

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Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1

[Simon Wong]

On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 12:59, Alexander Samad wrote:
> To ask a silly question why not use say DNAT instead of a smtp proxy.

I've just looked at DNAT and it will pass the packets straight through
so only really useful for NAT (hence it's name) type applications i.e.
no public IP or protection of other ports open on the mail server
itself.

I want a mail proxy that will also help ensure that valid SMTP is passed
onto the mail server.



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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Slug]

This is what happens with sophos. There is a script called sidefire that
can auto-install the new identities.

Stu

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 11:56, James Gregory wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 10:11, Simon Wong wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 13:08, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > > Use amavisd-new and clamav-daemon together. Great combo.
> > 
> > The most critical thing about virus scanners is the virus definitions -
> > how correct they are and the timeliness that they are updated.
> 
> Not exactly on-thread but I thought I'd share an idea I had about this.
> It won't improve the quality of the central database, but it might help
> save a couple of hours of infected email on a busy server.
> 
> So there's a clamav-virusdb mailing list that sends emails when the
> virus-db is updated. The idea was just to setup procmail to catch posts
> to that mailing list and run freshclam every time there's a new virus
> sig posted. I can't justify the bandwidth expenses for the number of
> virus emails I get, but on a big server it might help stop an infection
> before it starts in your network.
> 
> James.
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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[John Clarke]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 11:56:36 +1100, James Gregory wrote:

> So there's a clamav-virusdb mailing list that sends emails when the
> virus-db is updated. The idea was just to setup procmail to catch posts
> to that mailing list and run freshclam every time there's a new virus

Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?  It first checks the md5
sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5
sum has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it
won't blow out your bandwidth bill :-)

There are two database files, one is 2.7MB and is updated monthly
IIRC.  The other is (currently) only 140KB and is the one that is
frequently updated.  The last update to that file was sometime between
9:00 and 10:00 this morning, and since Jan 25th has changed 32 times,
an average of about once per day.  I haven't logged the size of the
updates, but it'd be less than 10MB in total for the whole month.


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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jeff Waugh]

> Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?  It first checks the md5
> sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5 sum
> has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it won't
> blow out your bandwidth bill :-)

300 bytes < notification email. The man speaks wisdom.

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[SLUG] Backing up files to tape...

[Brendan Dacre]

Gentlepeople,

I have finally pulled my finger out and started backing up some of my
files to tape.  I am just creating an uncompressed tar archive on the
tape (DDS3).

Since I am paranoid about my backups (at least until I am confident it
is all working) I am doing a diff to the original files.  Unfortunately
I seem to be getting a lot messages of the form;

filename: Contents differ

This does not inspire me with confidence.  I have done a number of
backups of different files to different tapes and not one tape has been
clear of these error messages at the diff phase.

The tapes seem readable and I have discarded any tapes that get
read/write errors either on reading or writing.

Do I need to worry about this error?

Is it worth restoring from the tape to another location and doing a disk
to disk file comparison?  If so, what comparison program should I use?

Brendan

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>> Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?  It first checks the md5
>> sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5 sum
>> has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it won't
>> blow out your bandwidth bill :-)
>
>300 bytes < notification email. The man speaks wisdom.

300 bytes * cron runs between notification emails vs. size of
notification email...

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[James Gregory]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 13:33, John Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 11:56:36 +1100, James Gregory wrote:
> 
> > So there's a clamav-virusdb mailing list that sends emails when the
> > virus-db is updated. The idea was just to setup procmail to catch posts
> > to that mailing list and run freshclam every time there's a new virus
> 
> Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?

I am. This solution doesn't suit my needs at all. If I were running a
mailserver for thousands of people though, I can see an advantage in
getting the signature for the latest email virus ASAP so that there's
less disinfection to be done.

> It first checks the md5
> sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5
> sum has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it
> won't blow out your bandwidth bill :-)

I didn't mean my bandwidth. I was referring to the other end. I'm glad
to hear that they've got an efficient system in place for this though.

James.


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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[John Clarke]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:45:53 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?  It first checks the md5
> >> sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5 sum
> >> has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it won't
> >> blow out your bandwidth bill :-)
> >
> >300 bytes < notification email. The man speaks wisdom.
> 
> 300 bytes * cron runs between notification emails vs. size of
> notification email...

Here was I feeling honoured to receive praise from Jeff for the second
time in a week or so, and you have to spoil it by pointing out that he
got it wrong.  Thanks.


Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jeff Waugh]

> > 300 bytes * cron runs between notification emails vs. size of
> > notification email...
> 
> Here was I feeling honoured to receive praise from Jeff for the second
> time in a week or so, and you have to spoil it by pointing out that he got
> it wrong.  Thanks.

Don't take it lying down, dude!

  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=3869198&forum_id=34654

That's a big mofo email.

:-)

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:45:53 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Why not just run freshclam regularly via cron?  It first checks the md5
>> >> sums of the two databse files, and only downloads updates if the md5 sum
>> >> has changed.  Each md5 sum request is only around 300 bytes, so it won't
>> >> blow out your bandwidth bill :-)
>> >
>> >300 bytes < notification email. The man speaks wisdom.
>> 
>> 300 bytes * cron runs between notification emails vs. size of
>> notification email...
>
>Here was I feeling honoured to receive praise from Jeff for the second
>time in a week or so, and you have to spoil it by pointing out that he
>got it wrong.  Thanks.

No problems :-)  I think that the time invested in working out the
bandwidth difference, versus just implementing the easy solution of
cron, makes you right again, though :-)

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[SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
there was this:

a=; t=0; cvs ann 2>/dev/null | cut -c15-21 | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do u=`echo 
$i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; 
done | sort -rn | while read i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' 
'`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); 
echo $u $(($s / $a)); done

but I was looking at the subversion repo at work today, and wondered
the same thing... so with a bit of mangling here it is:

a=; t=0; find . -type f ! -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec svn ann {} \; 2>/dev/null | awk 
'{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo 
$i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read 
i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 
-d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / $a)); done

Fun, eh? :-)

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[John Clarke]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:01:29 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote:
>
> >Here was I feeling honoured to receive praise from Jeff for the second
> >time in a week or so, and you have to spoil it by pointing out that he
> >got it wrong.  Thanks.
> 
> No problems :-)  I think that the time invested in working out the
> bandwidth difference, versus just implementing the easy solution of

Not only is it easy, but it works, it's reliable and it's very low
maintenance.  And crontab is simpler than procmailrc :-)

> cron, makes you right again, though :-)

Of course I'm right.  There was never any doubt about that :-)


Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] St George ibank

[Mark M]

> Have a look through the last two weeks of SLUG mail for previous
> discussion of this: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/02/

Thanks for the links. Funny, I did try searching the archives but
nothing
came up. Must take a few days to catch up.

Mark.


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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, John Clarke wrote:
>> cron, makes you right again, though :-)
>
>Of course I'm right.  There was never any doubt about that :-)

John, Jeff, of course I meant him... There are too many j-names in this
thread.  James, you are not allowed to reply to this message.

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[SLUG] Squidguard Exceptions

[Craige McWhirter]

I've been trying to setup an ACL in squidguard that excepts a list of
domains from the rules that would otherwise block them. I know is
do-able and I've found people on the net talking about the fact that
they've done it but I'm as yet unable to contruct an ACL that exempts
the domains in my exempt domain list.

The domain list is being loaded successfully.

Does anyone have any examples or know how to construct an ACL the
performs the exemptions?

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
> work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
> there was this:

http://statcvs.sf.net/

;)

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Re: [SLUG] Squidguard Exceptions

[Craige McWhirter]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:44, Craige McWhirter wrote:

> Does anyone have any examples or know how to construct an ACL the
> performs the exemptions?

Nevermind. As if often the case I got this working moments after
pressing send on this email...
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[SLUG] Changed Motherboard

[Simon Bryan]

Hi all,
I had RH9 setup on a MicroPro rack mounitng server. However one of the
NIC's failed and they have replaced the motherboard. However when I boot
up now eth0 and eth1 both fail with messages that they 'don't appear to be
present, delaying initilization' and the EEPROM checksum is invalid (I
think the latter is related to enabling the boot roms in CMOS). They
assure me that is exactly the same Motherboard and versions etc. The NIC's
are 100/1GB.

How do I go about getting RH to re-install the NIC's?


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[SLUG] ADSL connection Problems

[Edward G. Howard]

Attached please find snippets of logs related with the present
configuration of the ethernet connection as per request by Kevin Saenz
that this be posted to slug.
 
Their is no router. The ethernet modem is connected directly to a single
computer.
I have extracted some of the logs which I am sending herein as an
attachment.
Hope this assists
Any help will be greatly appreciated
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Re: [SLUG] Changed Motherboard

[Mike MacCana]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Simon Bryan wrote:

> Hi all,
> I had RH9 setup on a MicroPro rack mounitng server. However one of the
> NIC's failed and they have replaced the motherboard. However when I boot
> up now eth0 and eth1 both fail with messages that they 'don't appear to be
> present, delaying initilization' and the EEPROM checksum is invalid (I
> think the latter is related to enabling the boot roms in CMOS). They
> assure me that is exactly the same Motherboard and versions etc. The NIC's
> are 100/1GB.
>
> How do I go about getting RH to re-install the NIC's?

Are the networks cards inbuilt or installed in a slot? Their configuration
may have been bound to their MAC address.

Has kudzu been run since the motherboard was reinstalled?

Mike

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RE: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Ron Daniel]

Where's the structure, indentation, and documentation, aka comments in
the code ? Or do we open a a new OSSP for this project to get it cleaned
up. But then how would we measure who wrote the most code of the code
measuring code? :-) Ho hum.


-Original Message-
From: Jamie Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
there was this:

a=; t=0; cvs ann 2>/dev/null | cut -c15-21 | sort | uniq -c | while read
i; do u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`;
t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do
if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i |
cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u
$(($s / $a)); done

but I was looking at the subversion repo at work today, and wondered
the same thing... so with a bit of mangling here it is:

a=; t=0; find . -type f ! -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec svn ann {} \;
2>/dev/null | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do
u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} +
$s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do if [ "x$a" =
"x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d'
'`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / $a));
done

Fun, eh? :-)

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RE: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Slug]

LOC - Surely this metric really doesn't count for much - boom tish.

A better metric might be who went through the LOC and reduced them to
fewer, more robust LOC. A far harder metric - but obvious if you are on
the dev team. 

Remember that 94.251% of all statistics are lies.


Stu

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 16:38, Ron Daniel wrote:
> Where's the structure, indentation, and documentation, aka comments in
> the code ? Or do we open a a new OSSP for this project to get it cleaned
> up. But then how would we measure who wrote the most code of the code
> measuring code? :-) Ho hum.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jamie Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 2:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?
> 
> A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
> work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
> there was this:
> 
> a=; t=0; cvs ann 2>/dev/null | cut -c15-21 | sort | uniq -c | while read
> i; do u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`;
> t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do
> if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i |
> cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u
> $(($s / $a)); done
> 
> but I was looking at the subversion repo at work today, and wondered
> the same thing... so with a bit of mangling here it is:
> 
> a=; t=0; find . -type f ! -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec svn ann {} \;
> 2>/dev/null | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do
> u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} +
> $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do if [ "x$a" =
> "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d'
> '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / $a));
> done
> 
> Fun, eh? :-)
> 
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[SLUG] How to tell apt-get not to remove some packages when removing others

[Michael Lake]

Hi all

I wish to remove libdbi-perl from my Debian system.
The two packages: libdbd-csv-perl libdbd-mysql-perl
DO depend on libdbi-perl and it's fine for those to be removed BUT
I certainly don't want MySQL removed. MYSQL does not depend on any of 
these packages.

How do i tell it to not remove them A man apt-get does not have an 
opption like "keep" or something ??

mysql-perl$ sudo apt-get --no-act remove libdbi-perl
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
   libdbd-csv-perl libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl mysql-client mysql-server
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
Remv libdbd-csv-perl (0.2002-1 Debian:testing)
Remv mysql-server (4.0.16-2 Debian:testing)
Remv mysql-client (4.0.16-2 Debian:testing)
Remv libdbd-mysql-perl (2.9003-1 Debian:testing)
Remv libdbi-perl (1.35-1 Debian:testing)
mysql-perl$


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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
>> work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
>> there was this:
>
>http://statcvs.sf.net/

unless this project contains a php jukebox and photo gallery, it's just
wasting space; i have already proved that it is trivially implemented on
the command line.

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Re: [SLUG] anti virus tool

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> John, Jeff, of course I meant him... There are too many j-names in this
> thread.  James, you are not allowed to reply to this message.
But I haven't said a word in the whole thread!


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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Michael (Micksa) Slade]

Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

This one time, at band camp, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
 

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
   

A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
there was this:
 

http://statcvs.sf.net/
   

unless this project contains a php jukebox and photo gallery, it's just
wasting space; i have already proved that it is trivially implemented on
the command line.
 

"trivially implemented"? Is that a troll?  That was the longest single 
line of shell code I've ever seen ;)

In any case that program appears to gather different statistics from 
your shell script.  Yours counts lines of code per developer as last 
modified by them on the head.  statcvs counts lines of checkins (to 
oversimplify it).

statcvs also makes pretty graphs :)

Not that I'm defending statcvs though.  It's written in Java.

Mick.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:06, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
> work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
> there was this:
> 
> a=; t=0; cvs ann 2>/dev/null | cut -c15-21 | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do 
> u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo 
> $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | 
> cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; 
> s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / $a)); done
> 
> but I was looking at the subversion repo at work today, and wondered
> the same thing... so with a bit of mangling here it is:
> 
> a=; t=0; find . -type f ! -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec svn ann {} \; 2>/dev/null | awk 
> '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; 
> s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | 
> while read i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo 
> $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / 
> $a)); done
> 
> Fun, eh? :-)

Pity it's completely wrong.

How? Thats an exercise for the reader. Hint: your script does what you
intended it to do, but the result is /not/ LOC per person.

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