Re: [SLUG] NTFS vs EXT3
quote who=James Gregory On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 13:02 +1000, Rod Butcher wrote: Can anybody tell me about or point me to writing on differences between comparative strengths weaknesses of EXT3 NTFS ? I used NTFS for years and found it bulletproof, in fact the only part of Windows I would like to keep I have to admit that I don't know too much about it, though, a couple things comes to mind: NTFS, (in my limited (through choice) experience) still fragments quite a lot NTFS requires windoze -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NTFS vs EXT3
Actually reiserfs4 is well and truly out, with features like meta-data searching (think winfs) that has also started up a kernel debate if the Linux kernel should support this feature better. Also Reiserfs does multiple streams as of v4 Very extensive info on reiserfs is here Also of note XFS has had meta-date search options for a while now and there is even software to gain usage of this feature try here I use xfs and to be honest its never given me any problems. As for ext3, Im not a fan I installed a whole pile of desktops with ext3 and it wasn't one of my better choices ie Q why wont my machine log in.. Me why does cat /etc/resolve.conf look like a file written in chinese.. you get the idea. I tried resierfs (ver 3.x) for a while cant remember any problems so I set it as the default until I tried xfs. Beware xfs is very disappointing when first used but thats pretty normal just let xfs sort itself out over a few min and things start to whiz along fine. On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 11:59, James Gregory wrote: I was also referring to XFS 1.2 and to the current version of reiserfs (3.6, isn't it?) just in case I was unclear there. James. Regards Richard Neal ** Of course, it is very important to be sober when you take an exam. Many worthwhile careers in the street-cleansing, fruit-picking and subway-guitar-playing industries have been founded on a lack of understanding of this simple fact. (Moving Pictures) *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NTFS vs EXT3
We must also remember Linux has, Ext2 - a block-structured linux/unix file system. Requires fsck when system crashes. File updates are held in memory and are lost when machine suddenly stops. Need to fsck to restore saneness in filesystems. May be upgraded to EXT3. Ext3 - like ext2, with journalising. Meaning no need to fsck after system crash. File updates are held in journal files and used to update target files using slack cpu time. Any incomplete journal is discarded during updates. May be downgraded to EXT2. ReiserFS - a radical file system idea that departs from the classical block-structured linux/unix file system. But is considered to improve throughput significantly. XFS/Linux - SGI's solution to throughput requirements and parallel processing. JBS - IBMs journalising file system used in enterprise computing. IBMs killer FS in high-throughput enterprise e-business solutions. Andrew Bennetts wrote: On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 02:31:21AM +1000, James Gregory wrote: [...] NTFS supports most of the same stuff that EXT3 does -- sparse files, hard links etc. It additionally supports compression and encryption in the filesystem itself. IIRC it does meta-data journalling whereas EXT3 [...] Another feature NTFS has that ext3 doesn't is file streams. In NTFS Files (and directories) can have streams in them, e.g. foo.txt could have foo.txt:bar.txt -- I believe they're somewhat like resource forks or extended attributes in other filesystems. Google if you want to know more. -Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Linux media player ...
i like mplayer Dean Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jason Rennie So what is the best easiest media player for linux with the most supported codecs and so on ? What ever is recommend need XviD and DivX support. Totem with the libxine backend. - Jeff -- WWW: http://dean.bong.com.au LAN: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 2.6.8 upgrade round 2
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 12:22, Rod Butcher wrote: Having got 2.6.8 to boot by changing lilo root arg to /dev/sda1 Just to let you know, there's a problem with 2.6.8 that means that you can't write to CDs (not sure if this is the case when using scsi/scsi emulation or just when writing directly to ATAPI drives). I had to drop back to 2.6.7 for this reason so I thought I'd give you a heads up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
Hi all,
I decided to try installing grub since all the cool kids seem to be
doing it. It hasn't been going well so I'm hoping someone here can help
out.
First of all, the machine is running software RAID (RAID 1 on the
partitions we're interested in here) and it's doing this with a
Highpoint hpt374 controller that makes my two SATA drives look like
plain old IDE devices.
Now, some time ago I needed to install windows XP and it needed the
first partition. Unfortunately that meant moving the contents of /boot
to /home/boot and bind-mounting to keep both winxp and linux happy (they
both needed bootable kernels close to the start of the disk and /home
was the next partition along).
Now, there's been a few problems with all this but the one I'm stuck on
is how to get around this whole bind-mount conundrum. I have told it
that root is hd0,6 (which seems sensible -- /dev/hd{e,g}7 are the two
members of /dev/md4 which make up the / partition and I'm not expecting
grub to carry a raid driver with it) but trying to install that gives me
this:
grub root (hd0,6)
Filesystem type is xfs, partition type 0xfd
grub setup (hd0)
Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... no
Checking if /grub/stage1 exists... no
Error 15: File not found
grub
Now there is a /boot/grub/stage1, so I think to myself grub-install is
smarter than me, I'll let it figure this out, but it's even less
helpful:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# grub-install hd0
/dev/md0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
how on earth it knows about /dev/md0 I'm not sure.
My /boot/grub/device.map contains this:
# this device map was generated by anaconda
(fd0) /dev/fd0
(hd0) /dev/hde
(hd1) /dev/hdg
What do I need to do to get grub installed?
Thanks,
James.
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Re: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
James Gregory wrote: What do I need to do to get grub installed? FGI? http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=%2Fdev%2Fmd0+does+not+have+any+corresponding+BIOS+drive. seems to return on useful results. the one from lists.debian seems most useful dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
Maybe grub cannot see the bind, it needs to see files in either your /boot partition or directory physically. Which is logical when you think about it, mount --bind is implemented by the Linux kernel, GRUB does not/cannot require Linux to load. Is there any reason why you need to bind /home/boot to /boot instead of just putting the files in /boot? Also with /sbin/grub-install you point to the actual device eg grub-install /dev/hde, not GRUB naming convention I'm not an expert in GRUB so I might be way off on the first point though Ryan - Original Message - From: James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 21:54 +1000, Ryan Tsai wrote: Maybe grub cannot see the bind, it needs to see files in either your /boot partition or directory physically. Which is logical when you think about it, mount --bind is implemented by the Linux kernel, GRUB does not/cannot require Linux to load. Is there any reason why you need to bind /home/boot to /boot instead of just putting the files in /boot? Yeah, the rather unfortunate fact that /boot lives about 100GB into the disk. Actually wait a moment, does GRUB have the same limitations about where /boot needs to be? I had assumed that it does because LILO does. That's something to research. re: GRUB's inability to track bind-mounts, LILO manages to untangle that particular mess. There's no reason that GRUB could not figure it out, but it may not be that smart. Also with /sbin/grub-install you point to the actual device eg grub-install /dev/hde, not GRUB naming convention My understanding is that it can be either and it maps between the notations through /boot/grub/devices.map. I'm not an expert in GRUB so I might be way off on the first point though Thanks for your help. James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
Yeah, the rather unfortunate fact that /boot lives about 100GB into the disk. Actually wait a moment, does GRUB have the same limitations about where /boot needs to be? I had assumed that it does because LILO does. That's something to research. LILO embeds the config file in its bootsector, while GRUB needs to load it everytime it boots. So I guess that means LILO only needs access to the config file when its installed, whereas GRUB needs to remember where the config file is physically. I don't think GRUB has such limitation, I have my /boot patition about 50 gigs into the disk and GRUB works fine. I'd say give it a go, doesn't hurt trying. Yeah you're right about grub-install, didn't see that one. Ryan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Linux media player ...
From: Dean Hamstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux media player ... Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:26:44 +1000 So what is the best easiest media player for linux with the most supported codecs and so on ? What ever is recommend need XviD and DivX support. Totem with the libxine backend. kaffine is a kde media player based on xine. its worth checking out if you use kde. - Jeff -- /--\ | Breadcrust |-\ || | | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Linux Reg. Number - 307180 (http://counter.li.org) | || | Real life would be so much easier if there was an undo command | \/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] FIX: Winamp hangs when accessing samba shares
I'm sorry if this has been covered, I haven't had time to read this maillist much this year! Just want to get this solution googled for some poor person having the same problem. If you are experiencing this problem the solution is use sendfile=no In your smb.conf -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 2.6.8 upgrade round 2
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:56:29 +1000 Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 12:22, Rod Butcher wrote: Having got 2.6.8 to boot by changing lilo root arg to /dev/sda1 Just to let you know, there's a problem with 2.6.8 that means that you can't write to CDs (not sure if this is the case when using scsi/scsi emulation or just when writing directly to ATAPI drives). Specifically it's to do with the way the SCSI subsystem passes messages around between devices. There have been some major changes to the internals of the SCSI subsystem recently that affect running userspace programs such as cd burning tools without being root. If you run the program as root you'll be able to see the device, but normal users are unable to see the devices at all. The problem has shown up in the KDE burning tool k3b more than any other tool. cdrecord and cdrdao don't seem to have too much of a problem. I had to drop back to 2.6.7 for this reason so I thought I'd give you a heads up. The problem first appeared in 2.6.8 and was not fixed in 2.6.8.1. It will be fixed in 2.6.9. Lindsay -- http://www.asymmetrics.net/~auxesis/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 2.6.8 upgrade round 2
quote who=Simon Wong On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 12:22, Rod Butcher wrote: Having got 2.6.8 to boot by changing lilo root arg to /dev/sda1 Just to let you know, there's a problem with 2.6.8 that means that you can't write to CDs (not sure if this is the case when using scsi/scsi emulation or just when writing directly to ATAPI drives). I can burn CDs just fine on this box which is running a 2.6.8 kernel. /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/scd0 I had to drop back to 2.6.7 for this reason so I thought I'd give you a heads up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] USB dilemma
Hi, Well, I've tended to find solutions (or ways around) with the help I've received, so... When I initially loaded Linux, it was a freebie on a magazine Australian Linux Journal: Mandrake 10.0 Community. USB worked find - I was pleasantly surprised; printer worked first go, out of the box as they say. My current distro is Mandrake 10 Official and... N. No USB? Very weird. Found this out when trying to config the scanner and printer. Downloaded and installed SANE (I find their instructions very unclear) and found out that when I tried USBview it tells me there's no file: 'cannot open the file /proc/bus/USB/devices' I looked and could find /proc/bus/USB/ but no 'devices' ??? Cat /proc/bus/USB/devices comes up with the same 'no such file or directory'. I checked my software and installed Libusb, as one of the recent sites said this is preferable to kernel support (?). Still... If anyone can help, that'd be great. Thanks, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wins netbios name resolution in /etc/nsswitch.conf
Ryan Tsai wrote: Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply, I have wins support = no wins server = 192.168.0.9 #the wins server on the LAN In my Samba config file, I tried disabling wins on host 192.168.0.9 and enabling wins support on this box, but didn't seem to help. Just in case it's a configuration problem I also tried using identical config from these working boxes, but didn't help either. This is the global part of my smb.conf: workgroup = WORKGROUP server string = Samba server encrypt passwords = yes dos charset = CP932 unix charset = EUC-JP display charset = CP932 passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u passwd chat = *New*password* %n\n *Re*new*password* %n\n *success* unix password sync = Yes log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m max log size = 50 deadtime = 15 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=16384 SO_SNDBUF=16384 add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd %u name resolve order = wins lmhosts bcast dns lm announce = false dns proxy = no wins support = no wins server = 192.168.0.9 wins proxy = no dos filetimes = Yes dos filetime resolution = Yes print cap name = cups printing = cups cups server = localhost load printers = yes printer admin = zechs username map = /etc/samba/smbusers hosts allow = 192.168.0. 127. invalid users = root obey pam restrictions = yes pam password change = yes client ntlmv2 auth = yes message command = /bin/mail -s 'message from %f on %m' zechs %s; rm %s I'm pulling my hair out on this one... maybe it has to do with my version of glibc Ryan Hi Ryan, A couple of quick things to remember. Wins should be enabled on one and only one server (samba or windows) at a time. If you turn on wins support for this host, it has to be able to resolve the names. I think this means you have to have winbindd running to handle the wins resolution. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] USB dilemma
On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 23:59 +1000, Elliott-Brennan wrote: Hi, Well, I've tended to find solutions (or ways around) with the help I've received, so... When I initially loaded Linux, it was a freebie on a magazine Australian Linux Journal: Mandrake 10.0 Community. USB worked find - I was pleasantly surprised; printer worked first go, out of the box as they say. My current distro is Mandrake 10 Official and... N. No USB? Very weird. Found this out when trying to config the scanner and printer. Downloaded and installed SANE (I find their instructions very unclear) and found out that when I tried USBview it tells me there's no file: 'cannot open the file /proc/bus/USB/devices' I looked and could find /proc/bus/USB/ but no 'devices' ??? Ok, when you're using a modern distro, you can generally ignore any advice that starts with go to http://not your distro, download blah and install it. It's probably about to walk you through the hardest way to do what you want to do. Sane is packaged for mandrake, so the easiest thing to do is to use the Software installation thing in mandrake control centre. It will be somewhere in there and you can install it with a few mouse clicks. Cat /proc/bus/USB/devices comes up with the same 'no such file or directory'. That sounds distinctly like the USB drivers have not been loaded. I think just loading 'usbcore' is enough (can anyone verify this?). Try typing 'modprobe usbcore' as root and see if that file suddenly appears. Post back when you've tried that and let us know what happened. Also, run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' as root and plug one of your devices in. You should see a bunch of stuff go past when you plug your device in. HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
FW: [SLUG] USB dilemma
Hi again, Too late. I'd already got a copy of the latest SANE tar.gz and loaded it (unload it???) and installed Libusb. This is what I got when I tried what James suggested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] patrick]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] patrick]# tail -f/var/log/messages tail: invalid option -- / Try `tail --help' for more information. [EMAIL PROTECTED] patrick]# tail -f /var/log/messages Sep 13 01:03:47 localhost nmbd[2937]: Unable to find the Domain Master Browser name PATRICK1b for the workgroup PATRICK. Sep 13 01:03:47 localhost nmbd[2937]: Unable to sync browse lists in this workgroup. Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost automount[2627]: attempting to mount entry /net/.directory Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost automount[5096]: showmount: can't get address for .directory Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost automount[5096]: lookup(program): lookup for .directory failed Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost automount[2599]: attempting to mount entry /misc/.directory Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost automount[5101]: lookup(file): lookup for .directory failed Sep 13 01:05:22 localhost su(pam_unix)[4907]: session closed for user root Sep 13 01:05:26 localhost kernel: VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev fd0. Sep 13 01:09:49 localhost su(pam_unix)[5181]: session opened for user root by (uid=501) Then nothing after this... Doesn't even come back to root or login. I'm quite perplexed as, like I said, the printer had worked first time and really impressed me (I gather are scanners more difficult). Now this said, I'm using Mandrake more and more and finding lots of nifty little things (I'd never used a text only browser before - Lynx - really like it) Thanks, Patrick -Original Message- From: James Gregory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 12:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] USB dilemma On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 23:59 +1000, Elliott-Brennan wrote: Hi, Well, I've tended to find solutions (or ways around) with the help I've received, so... When I initially loaded Linux, it was a freebie on a magazine Australian Linux Journal: Mandrake 10.0 Community. USB worked find - I was pleasantly surprised; printer worked first go, out of the box as they say. My current distro is Mandrake 10 Official and... N. No USB? Very weird. Found this out when trying to config the scanner and printer. Downloaded and installed SANE (I find their instructions very unclear) and found out that when I tried USBview it tells me there's no file: 'cannot open the file /proc/bus/USB/devices' I looked and could find /proc/bus/USB/ but no 'devices' ??? Ok, when you're using a modern distro, you can generally ignore any advice that starts with go to http://not your distro, download blah and install it. It's probably about to walk you through the hardest way to do what you want to do. Sane is packaged for mandrake, so the easiest thing to do is to use the Software installation thing in mandrake control centre. It will be somewhere in there and you can install it with a few mouse clicks. Cat /proc/bus/USB/devices comes up with the same 'no such file or directory'. That sounds distinctly like the USB drivers have not been loaded. I think just loading 'usbcore' is enough (can anyone verify this?). Try typing 'modprobe usbcore' as root and see if that file suddenly appears. Post back when you've tried that and let us know what happened. Also, run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' as root and plug one of your devices in. You should see a bunch of stuff go past when you plug your device in. HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wins netbios name resolution in /etc/nsswitch.conf
Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply, yes I only have one wins server on my LAN, it is the 192.168.0.9 hosts specified in my config file, hence I put wins support = no. I don't have a Windows domain environment and each Samba server is standalone with its own user/password database, so I'm not running winbind. These working boxes aren't running winbind either. Just in case its because of some kind of daemon didnt restart in order for the configuration to take effect I did everything the stupid Windows way(ie reboot after every configuration change) I tried monitoring my interface in case its a network problem but I don't see any wins packets flowing out of my box at all. Right now I'm just using /etc/hosts, at least it works and its fast.. I'll recompile some Samba related packages tomorrow and see how it goes, though I still think its my glibc. I'd hate to classify this one as yet another unsolved tech mystery :-( Ryan - Original Message - From: Keith Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wins netbios name resolution in /etc/nsswitch.conf Hi Ryan, A couple of quick things to remember. Wins should be enabled on one and only one server (samba or windows) at a time. If you turn on wins support for this host, it has to be able to resolve the names. I think this means you have to have winbindd running to handle the wins resolution. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[slug] [O/T] Linux Advocate for Parliament
Hell SLUGers, If you are game to vote in this election here is a site to peruse: www.cecaust.com.au. Some vital information at: www.nothappyjohn.com. I am a linux advocate, wildly so, I'm running Mandrake 10.2 and also as the CEC candidate in the Robertson electorate (Gosford Area). I'm diabolically opposed to the FTA and its implications for our IT industry's future and our future generally. I do not use M$ products save for an old hydraulics calculation package which works on DOS. If elected to Parliament I will be pushing many barrows, one of them will be to convert the Australian computing landscape over to Open Source Software, anything but M$. All the licencing fees we pay to 'bill' will be converted over to creating systems in OSS, so we have an Australian IT powerhouse, call it OZOSS if you like, software beyond anything on offer from overseas, all the LUGs and their members here can put this into operation. If you're in the Robertson electoral area please vote for me to help this along. If you are not, look for the CEC candidate in your area and help them in. Asbestos suit is on... flame at will. Cheers, Nicholas Tomlin. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Linux Australia Committee News - 200408
Hi all, The Linux Australia comittee has been busy busy busy this month. Last year we did a 6 month status report from Linux Australia and we will be doing the same thing very soon, but we didn't want to delay the monthly news any longer than usual :) For anyone not already on the linux-aus mailing list, it is where most of these type of discussions are taking place, so join up if you want to participate :) http://lists.linux.org.au If anyone else wants me to start forwarding this directly to their LUGs mailing list, please let me know. Half-year Report Due out very soon! In the same thread as the last report it is meant to give an overall status of LA and what is happening. Watch this space :) We'll put it up on the new website when it goes live, which is within the week. FTA --- We have really come a long way. At least in part due to our efforts on the FTA, Open Source has become an election issue. If someone had told me 6 months ago that this might be the case I would have disagreed but quite frankly this is the case. I attended one of the AUUG conference days down in Melbourne, and between AGIMO and a representative of the Minister of ICT (Helen Coonan) there was a very supportive stance on open source. AGIMO will be coming out with a Open Source sourcing guide in the next 3-4 months (hopefully) which should be very interesting to a lot of people. Back to the FTA, although there have been some interesting exceptions made (such as for DVD software), the deal is all but done, and we now have some work to do :) We as a community need to ensure that as this is translated into legislation we are not compromising on any of the freedoms we currently enjoy. The moment we compromise, we are in trouble. Assisting the government in understanding the issues has been an excellent exercise as now we have a lot better educated legislators in this area, and some good cred. In the area of patents the idea of a patent watch type project has come up a few times, and it sounds like a great idea. We need to ensure this is covered from several aspects, not least of all from a real quantative analysis. We can argue how patents are bad for innovation, are anti-competitive, and how patents lodged has no real relation to innovation in the industry all we like (and these arguments need to be made), but at the end of 2 years or so, it would be a huge impact to be able to say here are X 100's or 1000's of trivial patents we proved prior art on, and here is the estimated damage they would have caused. More information on this will be in the half year report. A big thanks and slap on the back to Rusty who has put oodles of time and effort into this! Grants -- * Computerbank line of credit grant ($15,000) - The computerbank grant is still being processed, as there have been some significant communication issues. We are working through these and many of the terms of agreement may have to be renegotiated. We will keep linux-aus informed as soon as all the information is clear. LA is very supportive of Computerbank, and always has been. We are looking forward to helping out and seeing the Sydney work for the dole project get going again :) * Sara Kaan (Syd) put in a grant to run a stall at a large education expo for Linux. The details of this will be posted after the committee has discussed it on Monday, but it looks like an excellent project. Rock on Sara! * Andrew Chalmers (Melb) put in a grant to press some CD's for Free Software Day, and the committee in theory agreed, apart from the desire from Andrew to hand out these CD's in front on the Microsoft office, which we thought was inappropriate. After working through this, we agreed to put the offer to linux-aus but unfortunately had some communication issues and so this didn't go ahead. Good work anyway from Andrew and others in Melbourne. Let us know if there is any other projects we can help with :) Ghosts -- We had the normal Ghosts meeting, which is where we get some previous LCA (http://linux.conf.au) organisers to meet up with the currently LCA organisers (Canberra) to brainstorm, transfer knowledge, rile up the organisers and of course drink beer. It was a great weekend, and everyone put a lot of hours in. Many thanks to Steve Hanley and all the LCA2005 gang, to the previous organisers who attended and to the entire LA committee for all your efforts :) Incidently, Canberra looks like it is going to ROCK! But you knew I was going to say that ;) Photos can be found at http://www.michaeldavies.org/gallery/CanberraTrip along with a second writeup on the trip by Michael Davies at http://www.michaeldavies.org/weblog/linux-australia/lca2005 LA face to face meeting --- The LA ctte took advantage of the ghosts meeting being relatively close to everyone geographically and the fact that 4 of the LA members had to be there anyway to have a face to face meeting. It ended being relatively rushed, but we got through a lot including some new plans to
[SLUG] 2.6.8 release info ?
The issues of 2.6.8 causing trouble booting (apparently caused by changed SATA SCSI default), broken terminal and trouble cd burning reported by some, seems to point to things being tweaked / changed / corrected in this release rather than bugs - but I can't find release info - anybody know where it is, i.e. what changed / new default configurations, drivers / features etc ? Couldn't find it in the tarball or at kernel.org. cheers Rod --- Brought to you by a thunderbird, penguin, gnu and a camel Ken Caldwell wrote: quote who=Simon Wong On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 12:22, Rod Butcher wrote: Having got 2.6.8 to boot by changing lilo root arg to /dev/sda1 Just to let you know, there's a problem with 2.6.8 that means that you can't write to CDs (not sure if this is the case when using scsi/scsi emulation or just when writing directly to ATAPI drives). I can burn CDs just fine on this box which is running a 2.6.8 kernel. /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/scd0 I had to drop back to 2.6.7 for this reason so I thought I'd give you a heads up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win2k Server and Linux - Active Directory and BIND
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Matt Hyne wrote:
Folks, I have a question on adding a W2K server into a Linux
environment. I don't know a lot about W2KS, but I do have a lot of
Linux experience so I am hoping someone has already done this.
We have been forced to upgrade our old 1998 NT 4.0 server to a W2K
server. Now the new server will run Active Directory (whereas the old
NT 4.0 machine ran as a single NT domain) and I would like to know how I
can integrate this into our current DNS which is BIND running on a linux
box.
I do not want to have to create a new subdomain and run the MS DNS
service (such as ad.mydom.com.au). I would prefer to have W2K use the
BIND DNS server and have everything under our top level domain
(mydom.com.au).
Has anyone done this or something like it and can offer some advice ?
Also, we use a lot of Samba and our Samba boxes authenticate using our
NT4.0 server. Now, I want to convert this to using the W2K server.
Will I have any problem since the new server runs AD ?
Install AD in legacy mode {mixed mode}, tell the DHCP clients on the MS
boxen not to register themselves with the DNS, and continue
modifying/using your BIND DNS as you are now.
Ugly, but it should work, provided there's only the one AD server
involved.
DaZZa
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[SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware
I've got a test server setup in vmware running sarge (2.6 kernel). I've got two problems that I'm having trouble resolving: The first is that I can't get X working. Yes I know X on a server shouldn't be necessary on a server, but I'm playing with vmware. The error I get is: GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X : -audit 0 auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command could not be executed! Please install the X server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place. Now I installed xfree68, but there is no X in that folder. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting? The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 10:17:30AM +1000, Robert Tillsley wrote: Now I installed xfree68, but there is no X in that folder. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting? Sounds like you missed a package; try apt-get install x-window-system -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] GRUB and RAID1.
On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 09:38:41PM +1000, James Gregory wrote:
Hi all,
I decided to try installing grub since all the cool kids seem to be
doing it. It hasn't been going well so I'm hoping someone here can help
out.
First of all, the machine is running software RAID (RAID 1 on the
partitions we're interested in here) and it's doing this with a
Highpoint hpt374 controller that makes my two SATA drives look like
plain old IDE devices.
Now, some time ago I needed to install windows XP and it needed the
first partition. Unfortunately that meant moving the contents of /boot
to /home/boot and bind-mounting to keep both winxp and linux happy (they
both needed bootable kernels close to the start of the disk and /home
was the next partition along).
Now, there's been a few problems with all this but the one I'm stuck on
is how to get around this whole bind-mount conundrum. I have told it
that root is hd0,6 (which seems sensible -- /dev/hd{e,g}7 are the two
members of /dev/md4 which make up the / partition and I'm not expecting
grub to carry a raid driver with it) but trying to install that gives me
this:
grub root (hd0,6)
Filesystem type is xfs, partition type 0xfd
grub setup (hd0)
Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... no
Checking if /grub/stage1 exists... no
Error 15: File not found
grub
Now there is a /boot/grub/stage1, so I think to myself grub-install is
smarter than me, I'll let it figure this out, but it's even less
helpful:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# grub-install hd0
/dev/md0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
how on earth it knows about /dev/md0 I'm not sure.
My /boot/grub/device.map contains this:
# this device map was generated by anaconda
(fd0) /dev/fd0
(hd0) /dev/hde
(hd1) /dev/hdg
What do I need to do to get grub installed?
Use to have a similiar setup and then I changed to lilo it currently
knows about raid device and you can use the /dev/md partitions !
Thanks,
James.
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[SLUG] Re: Debian sarge on vmware
On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 10:17, Robert Tillsley wrote: The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Hmmm, been a while since I installed a linux system under VMWare - usually I keep it for Solaris and Windows partitions. But from memory, the install tools option does not actually install anything. What it does is configure an ISO image and mount it on /mnt/cdrom (RedHat mount point - don't know about debian). So after clicking the install tools option, check if your CD is mounted. If not, try and mount it (it should mount the image, not a real CD). I think there is a gzipped tar file there, which, when extracted, has the executable to install the tools. So simple %-( not! If you are still having problems, try looking for the iso image containing the tools. In my installation they are: ls /usr/lib/vmware/isoimages/ freebsd.iso linux.iso windows.iso Just mount the linux iso image and see my earlier comments. Regards, Andrew -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] x509 certificate and openssl
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:26 am, Alexander Samad wrote: Hi I manage my own ca and associated x509 certificates, now it is comming up that they are expiring, I have kept the original req, how do I re sign them, I tried re signing the original req but that fail. How do i create a new certificate with the same common name, I tried this and it said something about duplicate name and failed. Using debian unstable and openssl Are you revoking the original certificates? If not, I'm pretty sure you will fail. openssl ca -revoke your_cert.pem Then you should be able to generate a new certificate from the request. Cheers, Seb. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] escaping variables in bash
Hi Quick question for the list I am trying to do something like this #!/bin/bash SOMEVARIABLE VAR2=$( awk -F, /$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/) Now I have problems with my I can't use ' because I want SOMEVARIABLE to be subsituted I have tried VAR2=$( awk -F, \/$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/\) but it starts going haywire! Alex signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] NTFS vs EXT3
quote who=Andrew Bennetts I believe they're somewhat like resource forks or extended attributes in other filesystems. [ EAs are metadata tags, rather than streams. Pretty much every popular Linux filesystem supports EAs now, using them for ACLs and security tags. There is no standard support for streams though, which has led to all the fun discussion about reiser4's crack-addled stream stuff. ;-) ] - Jeff -- What's all that about? http://www.no-name-yet.com/ And if you think this fucking little tub of gold popcorn is going to remotely make up for everything we've suffered, you're sadly fucking mistaken! - Gollum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Which fs is best ...
Which linux file system is best for storing large files (Big MPEG and AVI files specifically) ? I'm guessing ext2/3 is not the best choice, but I don't really know which to choose from Reiser, XFS or JFS. What are peoples experiences with such things ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] escaping variables in bash
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:17 pm, Alexander Samad wrote:
Hi
Quick question for the list
I am trying to do something like this
#!/bin/bash
SOMEVARIABLE
VAR2=$( awk -F, /$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/)
Now I have problems with my I can't use ' because I want SOMEVARIABLE
to be subsituted I have tried
VAR2=$( awk -F, \/$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/\)
but it starts going haywire!
Alex
Have you tried protecting the variable from the shell per the man bash
instructions like this:
VAR2=$( awk -F, /${SOMEVARIABLE}/ /some/pathtoafile/)
BTW - that line above looks a little odd. I'd try it like this instead:
VAR2=`awk -F, '/${SOMEVARIABLE}/ /some/pathtoafile/'`
The enclosing a variable between curly braces, eg, ${foo} will force the
shell to expand the variable's content regardless of whether it is inside
single or double quotes. IIRC.
Cheers,
James
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RE: [SLUG] Which fs is best ...
Apparently reiserfs4 supposed to Kick butt, Then there is an open source development for dbfs going on you might want to assist in, which would beat MS to the post with winfs (which is going to be canned in shorthorn). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Rennie Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Which fs is best ... Which linux file system is best for storing large files (Big MPEG and AVI files specifically) ? I'm guessing ext2/3 is not the best choice, but I don't really know which to choose from Reiser, XFS or JFS. What are peoples experiences with such things ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Which fs is best ...
JFS has been pretty good for me, and I'm guessing that it's more unlikely to eat all my data than a fancy bleeding-edge filesystem. Good large file performance ? What exactly did you like about it ? Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] OT: solid text on translucent background
Sluggers,
After no luck googling for a solution I've decided to post this possibly
off topic question to the wisdom of slug (well the web server is apache on
Linux and the client is Mozilla or Firefox on Linux).
I'm trying to create an area on a web page with a translucent background
but with solid text inside that area. I'm trying to do it using a style
sheet. I can get the translucent area on the background no problem with
opacity:0.5, but any text that I put on it is also translucent. It seems
that any subsequent divs or classes inhereit the opacity and I can't over
ride it. I.E opacity=1.0 means 100% of the 50% of the parent = 50%.
I need to be able to say opacity=2.0, i.e 200% of 50% = 100% making it
solid but opacity: 2.0 don't work. Also tried position relative tag (but
according to the author that only works in ie)
This is what I've currently got in the style sheet.
body {background: #fff url(iceberg.png) no-repeat bottom right; }
#areaBox {
position: relative;
top:50px;
left: 50px;
width: 200px;
opacity: 0.5;
background: #fc0;
}
#areaText {
position:relative;
opacity:none;
color:#000;
}
...
[snippet of web page]
div id=areaBox
div id=areaText
h2Some text/h2
/div
/div
Anyone solved this one?
TIA's
Pete.
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Re: [SLUG] escaping variables in bash
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 03:20:37PM +1000, James Gray wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:17 pm, Alexander Samad wrote:
Hi
Quick question for the list
I am trying to do something like this
#!/bin/bash
SOMEVARIABLE
VAR2=$( awk -F, /$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/)
Now I have problems with my I can't use ' because I want SOMEVARIABLE
to be subsituted I have tried
VAR2=$( awk -F, \/$SOMEVARIABLE/ /some/pathtoafile/\)
but it starts going haywire!
Alex
Have you tried protecting the variable from the shell per the man bash
instructions like this:
VAR2=$( awk -F, /${SOMEVARIABLE}/ /some/pathtoafile/)
BTW - that line above looks a little odd. I'd try it like this instead:
VAR2=`awk -F, '/${SOMEVARIABLE}/ /some/pathtoafile/'`
$() iq equivilant to `'
and I so as to make sure that the program doesn't have any space in
the return to foul it up
The enclosing a variable between curly braces, eg, ${foo} will force the
shell to expand the variable's content regardless of whether it is inside
single or double quotes. IIRC.
well i just tried this
TEST='HELLO' echo '${TEST}'
and it printed out this
${TEST}
from man bash
Enclosing characters in single quotes preserves the literal
value of each character within the quotes. A single quote may not occur
between single quotes, even
when preceded by a backslash.
Enclosing characters in double quotes preserves the literal value
of all characters within the quotes, with the exception of $, `, and \.
The characters $ and `
retain their special meaning within double quotes. The backslash
retains its special meaning only when followed by one of the following
characters: $, `, , \, or
newline. A double quote may be quoted within double quotes by
preceding it with a backslash.
Cheers,
James
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