Re: [SLUG] Brain Freeze - ADSL
On Mon, December 11, 2006 11:21 am, Scott Waller (Lots of Watts) wrote: Finally changed over to Layer2 1.5 meg blah blah blah. And am having problems with my setup. Scott, dumb question: what's the advantage of having a 'Layer2' connection over the usual 'userid/password/login' connection ? -- Voytek -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Networking issue.
Good Morning guyz, First of all thanks to everyone for that wonderful solutions(appreciate that). I will update everyone very soon regarding that issue. Thanks again, Hasnain On 12/11/06, O Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: if you have the routers working as firewalls (ie with NAT) then you may have problems. assuming your set up is like (internet) | (router1) |-(computers1) (192.168.0.x) (router2) L-(computers2) (10.30.13.x) I assume that router2 is a Linux Box. Then, the above network diagram is one good example to apply RFC1918 and Bridging (or Switching) to simplify your network. In this case the above network becomes: Internet | Router 1 (Computers1 - 192.168.0.x) | Bridge (Computers2 - 192.168.0.x instead of Computers2 - 10.30.13.x) | I include a brief howto to turn router 2 into a bridge which you can think of as a switch. 1. install bridge-utils(# yum -y install bridge-utils on Fedora) 2. brctl addbr br0 3. brctl addif br0 eth0 4. brctl addif br0 eth1 5. brctl stp br0 on 6. ifconfig br0 192.168.0.254 up (192.168.0.254 should not have been assigned in Computers1.) 7. ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up 8. ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 up 9. re number all computers2 to have 192.168.0.x instead of 10.30.13.x ensuring computers1 are not duplicated. After that all computers on both side of Bridge will communicate backwards and forwards. Also, no need to change or touch your Router1 since it is working. Hope this helps. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
(slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's a vull... (Vacant ull), but there's a snowball's chance of hell in getting one - you used to be able to get them to hook it up to them, but it's not strictly legit, so it's frowned upon these days. Sonia Hamilton wrote: (slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFfiWyQ5jkR4oZBYcRApBmAJ0cVRQzZ2HbXVK11C+BZg6XDuujoQCfcThO +UYk8dA8gPtxc91NSMwcgXs= =/tWp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Some ISPs (I'm thinking of Exetel here, but I know others do the same) let you bundle the line rental with the DSL and give you a discount, and then let you use VoIP to reduce the cost of calls. Wouldn't work well for me - I don't remember the last time I made a landline call On 12/12/06, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. Sonia Hamilton wrote: (slightly OT...) Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2004 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. Nope. Welcome to Australia, where we subsidize privately owned corporations whether we like it or not. Think yourself lucky you can at least get decent ADSL. My line is connected via a RIM (little mini exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. My line rental is the same, despite getting a diminished service. My only recourse is to keep getting paper bills and to pay by credit card. This at least costs the bastards money. I know there's things like wireless from http://www.unwired.com.au/, but to get decent downloads the costs would work out the same. I'm currently using Unwired while waiting for my ADSL to get connected. The service is appalling. At best I get dialup speeds, with higher latency. The software to monitor the Unwired modem, while written in Java, doesn't work. It's got this weirdo install script and I don't know enough about Java to get it going. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other. - Politicians and Other Scoundrels by Ferdinand Lundberg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
On 12/12/06, Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. How is that? Once you have an IP hart beat you don't need the POTS line. I'm currently connected through iiNet ADSL2 and use their (almost free) VoIP service for outgoing calls, so I get to enjoy paying for an POTS line rental I never use (while still managed to cut down my call costs by about 90%, ex. line rental). I though that what Sonia is asking for is what ULL was made for, wasn't there some movement in legislation to force Telstra to allow this? Anyway, whirlpool.net.au is probably the best resource to find about the options, isn't it? --P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Penedo wrote: I though that what Sonia is asking for is what ULL was made for, wasn't there some movement in legislation to force Telstra to allow this? I'm sure Telstra would happily supply the copper for ADSL without a POTS line. It's just the price will be $19.95/month. You'll need to wait until after the next election and the finalization of the T3 process before any government will have the balls to force real competition on the monopoly. Even then it's doubtful, going on past performance. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there a way of getting ADSL at home without paying for a landline? I use my mobile for everything, and don't use the landline but am paying for it to run ADSL on. Nope. Welcome to Australia, where we subsidize privately owned corporations whether we like it or not. Think yourself lucky you can at least get decent ADSL. My line is connected via a RIM (little mini exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. My line rental is the same, despite getting a diminished service. My only recourse is to keep getting paper bills and to pay by credit card. This at least costs the bastards money. And the end user too, more and more these days. There are at least a couple of bills each month I have to pay where it costs me extra if I want a paper bill, or if I don't set up automatic debit for payment. Oliver -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, David Lloyd wrote: Very, very doubtful; real competition might make Telstra appear to be losing money in the short term thus devaluing shares, thus annoying all the Aussie Battlers [oh PLEASE] who bought shares when the share's value drops. I used to own this company. Then a government I didn't vote for sold it. Also, if I were a Government I wouldn't want the country's largest, private telecommunications provider to be off-side during an election. Like I said, wait until AFTER the election. It might change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. If Labor are smart, they'll make rural broadband an election issue. -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net A lifetime of listening to disco music is a high price to pay for one's sexual preference - Quentin Crisp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Like I said, wait until AFTER the election. It might change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. If Labor are smart, they'll make rural broadband an election issue. the drought will dominate everything but thats slug-chat material Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Brain Feeze - ADSL update......
Thanks for all the suggestions yesterday. The issues that I experienced were both coincidence and multi pronged. 1. The internal network card in the Dell was unreliable so it got turned off. 2. There were issues with the other card in the machine 3. FC1 (as pointed out) 4. The crappy Dynalink modem that would not hold it's settings 5. My brain So I installed FC5 (was hoping for FC6 but needed my new fast net access to download it). I decided to give Network Manager a go after Jeff's talk on it..Tipif you want to use static IPs, don't use network manager. Jeff proberly said that but I was up the back - Sorry. Configured the modem Ran the network setup for a ADSL connection, put all my details in..and whamo nothing but net. Installed Acacia Firewall from Richard Keech @ Redhat and all was good. Ran a yum update for the kernel and downloaded my backlog of mail. So, it's all working, rebooted a few time to make sure I need no more intervention if the thing looses power. Shutdown and moved it all back into the garage, reconnected all the cables and crap. Then.the darn thing wouldn't connect. CRAP ! ! (it's now 2:30am), with the power cycle the modem has done a deep reset on itself and I gave up. I have bought a Linksys modem this morning so I will try that tonight. Thanks again for all your tips. :-) I'll let you know how I go with the Linksys -- Scott Waller Sales Account Manager Lots of Watts Pty Ltd 2 Bridge St, Rydalmere NSW 2116 Ph: (02) 9638 0302 Fx: (02) 9638 0331 Mb: 0421 038 526 www.lotsofwatts.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
This one time, at band camp, Howard Lowndes wrote: exchange in the street) so I can't get ADSL2+ connected and instead have to connect via a Telstra port, so I'm once again subsidizing Telstra. Not where you can't get ADSL2+ You still have to pay Telstra for line rental, even if you using LUL. It might be billed by your LUL supplier, but there's still money going to Telstra. Not so. Hel$tra charge you a fee if you pay by CC. Ahhh, didn't notice the fine print there. Love the Confusopoly*. [*]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusopoly -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves. - Henry Kissinger on Chile prior to the overthrow and violent death of Salvador Allende. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
* On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 02:42:35PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: Have you looked at the possibility of using VoIP on your ADSL connection to mitigate your mobile call charges, thus justifying the cost of you line rental. * On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 02:45:51PM +1100, Zhasper wrote: Some ISPs (I'm thinking of Exetel here, but I know others do the same) let you bundle the line rental with the DSL and give you a discount, and then let you use VoIP to reduce the cost of calls. Thanks for all the replies! After the last SLUG talk, I'm now using VoIP (sipme) - works well. It's actually motivating me to get rid of my landline, as any long distance calls I make I now do over VoIP. As for my mobile, I use it almost entirely for SMS, not voice calls. I've thought (and posted about) using Asterisk + some sort of SMS gateway to do away with that too, but then realised I like the convenience of being able to SMS whilst out about :-) I'll check out Exetel's bundling - could be the go. Hel$tra is dead! Long live Hel$tra! -- Sonia Hamilton. GPG key A8B77238. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ADSL without paying for a phone line?
Simon, [I hope you don't mind me addressing you informally] You'll need to wait until after the next election and the finalization of the T3 process before any government will have the balls to force real competition on the monopoly. Even then it's doubtful, going on past performance. Very, very doubtful; real competition might make Telstra appear to be losing money in the short term thus devaluing shares, thus annoying all the Aussie Battlers [oh PLEASE] who bought shares when the share's value drops. Also, if I were a Government I wouldn't want the country's largest, private telecommunications provider to be off-side during an election. Especially if I had no control over them... DSL -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brain Freeze - ADSL
Voytek Eymont wrote: On Mon, December 11, 2006 11:21 am, Scott Waller (Lots of Watts) wrote: Finally changed over to Layer2 1.5 meg blah blah blah. And am having problems with my setup. Scott, dumb question: I thought about this. what's the advantage of having a 'Layer2' connection over the usual 'userid/password/login' connection ? Better throughput than Layer3, in general. Devices on Layer2 work less as hard than devices on Layer3. Layer3 assembles data before send and dis-assembles at receive. Layer2 does not. So, less latency. Layer3 can segment networks to avoid data broadcasting across all segments, e.g. ARP and DHCP. Layer3 can route as it has got additional info. Layer2 can't. So, not a dumb question after all, I think. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brain Freeze - ADSL
O Plameras wrote: Voytek Eymont wrote: On Mon, December 11, 2006 11:21 am, Scott Waller (Lots of Watts) wrote: Finally changed over to Layer2 1.5 meg blah blah blah. And am having problems with my setup. Scott, dumb question: I thought about this. what's the advantage of having a 'Layer2' connection over the usual 'userid/password/login' connection ? Better throughput than Layer3, in general. Devices on Layer2 work less as hard than devices on Layer3. Layer3 assembles data before send and dis-assembles at receive. Layer2 does not. So, less latency. Not quite right, you still have layer 2 frames which are disassembled and reassembled. However your device is operating as a simple ethernet (or ATM if your ISP supports it) bridge rather than also encapsulating the traffic in PPP which is the norm, hence less overheads. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: cloning/replacing hardrive
Ben == Ben Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben Voytek Eymont wrote: On Wed, December 6, 2006 10:00 pm, Ben Buxton wrote: Voytek Eymont wrote: can I clone a running system ? Yes, you can. Ben, thanks for detailed info what I really meant to ask, was 'can I copy/clone a running systems whilst it's in normal operation'; I gather the answer is 'no' Ben Definitely not. Files that are open for writing might get changed Ben after they're copied, breaking stuff or leading to duplicate Ben mail/logs/billing/etc. You can minimise the downtime though. Copy the running system, then bring it to single-user mode and use rsync to update the changed files. Then flip the fstab entries and reboot. Peter c -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
