Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread mlh

Louis,
I think you will find the going much easier if
you just install a more recent version of any
distribution.  Redhat 7.1 is pretty old.

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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread James Gregory
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 00:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Louis,
 I think you will find the going much easier if
 you just install a more recent version of any
 distribution.  Redhat 7.1 is pretty old.

wholeheartedly agree. Up2date probably can do it but you'll need to read
the documentation to find out how. I don't think anyone actually uses
it. If I were you I'd install apt-rpm on your server and get it to do
this, along with a dist-upgrade in bits and pieces (ie upgrade libc, see
if computer still works, upgrade sshd, see if computer still works.
After you're convinced the core keep the computer running stuff is
upgraded, let apt do the rest with dist-upgrade). There is info about
apt-rpm on freshrpms. I posted the url in a previous mail.

james.


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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread Terry Collins
James Gregory wrote:

  distribution.  Redhat 7.1 is pretty old.

Xfree V3. something or other is the answer to the question originally
asked.
 
 wholeheartedly agree. Up2date probably can do it but you'll need to read
 the documentation to find out how. I don't think anyone actually uses
 it.

The trick with using RedHat's Up2date is to use wget to download the
updates from http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au server, or elsewhere (launch
up2date and get the version required. Put these downloads into the
/var/spool/up2date directory, then run the RHNetwork stuff. If it finds
the update files there, then it uses them.

The problem I've found with the RH update is that it download process is
extremely unreliable. YMMV.



 If I were you I'd install apt-rpm on your server and get it to do
 this, along with a dist-upgrade in bits and pieces (ie upgrade libc, see
 if computer still works, upgrade sshd, see if computer still works.

Hahaha, playing russian roulette are we. Sheeze folks, when are you
people going to realise that some people need a computer to do work, not
fsck around.
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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread James Gregory
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 09:25, Terry Collins wrote:
  If I were you I'd install apt-rpm on your server and get it to do
  this, along with a dist-upgrade in bits and pieces (ie upgrade libc, see
  if computer still works, upgrade sshd, see if computer still works.
 
 Hahaha, playing russian roulette are we. Sheeze folks, when are you
 people going to realise that some people need a computer to do work, not
 fsck around.

I believe Louis' stated purpose had something to do with fscking
around while he had time to do it.

But you're right, I'm not a redhat expert. Perhaps you could tell us
what the get work done way to upgrade a redhat server in America is. I
have to do this pretty regularly, so I'd really like to know.

Thanks,

James.


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Re: [Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?]

2003-03-04 Thread Louis Selvon
James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 00:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Louis,
 I think you will find the going much easier if
 you just install a more recent version of any
 distribution.  Redhat 7.1 is pretty old.

Louis I was thinking of doing that but right now this is a no go for the live
server after talking to the support staff. I still need that stupid Ensim
control panel to manage domains on the apache server as I am not an expert at
doing it myself yet. The Ensim control panel installed is only compactible
with the version of Red Hat running on my server. If the vendors upgrades the
panel to work on a later Red hat, then I can upgrade the OS. If I become an
expert at managing Apache before they upgrade their shit then I will
definetely move to the latest Red Hat version. Right now I have to stay with
7.1.

If I were you I'd install apt-rpm on your server and get it to do
this, along with a dist-upgrade in bits and pieces (ie upgrade libc, see
if computer still works, upgrade sshd, see if computer still works.
After you're convinced the core keep the computer running stuff is
upgraded, let apt do the rest with dist-upgrade). There is info about
apt-rpm on freshrpms. I posted the url in a previous mail.

Louis I googled for this apt-rpm and I did not see a version that runs for
red Hat 7.1. Or any version will work ??

Louis.

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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread mlh
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 09:25:35AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
 The problem I've found with the RH update is that it download process is
 extremely unreliable. YMMV.

What sort of link do you have?

MM:

I've used the RHN since upgrading to redhat8, and it's
been brilliant.  Never a single problem.  Matt sees red
flashing thing, Matt clicks it and then the forward
buttons till everything finished.


Sometimes it says the servers to busy and encourages
me to buy support, but that's fair enough.

Matt


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Re: [Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?]

2003-03-04 Thread James Gregory
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 10:34, Louis Selvon wrote:
 Louis I was thinking of doing that but right now this is a no go for the live
 server after talking to the support staff. I still need that stupid Ensim
 control panel to manage domains on the apache server as I am not an expert at
 doing it myself yet. The Ensim control panel installed is only compactible
 with the version of Red Hat running on my server. If the vendors upgrades the
 panel to work on a later Red hat, then I can upgrade the OS. If I become an
 expert at managing Apache before they upgrade their shit then I will
 definetely move to the latest Red Hat version. Right now I have to stay with
 7.1.

hmm. Well, Just upgrade the bits you're installing I guess. Unless it
relies on something vitally important, in which case you downgrade I
guess.

There's also pinning but I don't know anything about it.

 Louis I googled for this apt-rpm and I did not see a version that runs for
 red Hat 7.1. Or any version will work ??

http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat-7.1/apt/

You might want to consider using sources for a newer version of redhat -
then you can upgrade and install X at the same time.

James.


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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?

2003-03-04 Thread Terry Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 09:25:35AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
  The problem I've found with the RH update is that it download process is
  extremely unreliable. YMMV.
 
 What sort of link do you have?

28.8K modem.

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Re: [Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?]

2003-03-04 Thread Louis Selvon
Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 09:25:35AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
  The problem I've found with the RH update is that it download process is
  extremely unreliable. YMMV.
 
 What sort of link do you have?

28.8K modem.

Louis I agree too. Since yesterday I've been trying to download all the
XFree86 rpms from RHN for RH 7.1, and each time something is going wrong. I
had to resort to downloading 5 packages (rpms) at a time. I am using a 56 K
modem dial up. 

Louis.

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Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ? [Round II]

2003-03-04 Thread Mike MacCana
It looks like you need:

rpm -Fvh ftp://ftp.example.com/pub/redhat/updates/etc/etc/*.rpm

Downloads and installs all applicable updates from that directory. Does
not install any new packages.

That said, I'd spend an hour or upgrading to 8.0. 7.1 is quite long in
the tooth

Mike

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:31, Louis Selvon wrote:
 Hi:
 
 I am downloading rpms one by one from RHN for XFree86 for RH 7.1. I don't know
 if I need all these packages.
 
 If I install something that my server does not really need, will this mess up
 anything ? e.g I don't know if my server needs this package
 XFree86-VGA16-3.3.6-38  A generic XFree86 server for VGA16 boards. Will this
 create any issues ?
 
 Please send comments.
 
 Cheers
 
 Louis.
 
 BTW. In all I am downloading 47 rpms for XFree86 from RHN, one at a time as my
 dial up cannot handle a few packages in a shot.
 
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Re: [Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ? [RoundII]]

2003-03-04 Thread Louis Selvon
rpm -Fvh ftp://ftp.example.com/pub/redhat/updates/etc/etc/*.rpm

Louis I'm learning more and more this week. Thanks. But I am almost done with
the XFree86 downloads from RHN. Does it matter which order I install the rpms
?

That said, I'd spend an hour or upgrading to 8.0. 7.1 is quite long in
the tooth

Louis In a previous post I have explained why I cannot move to 8.0 on this
server although this is what I really want to do.

Cheers

Louis.

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Re: [Re: [SLUG] Which XFree86 is Applicable for Red Hat 7.1 ?[Round II]]

2003-03-04 Thread Mike MacCana
On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 12:57, Louis Selvon wrote:
 rpm -Fvh ftp://ftp.example.com/pub/redhat/updates/etc/etc/*.rpm
 
 Louis I'm learning more and more this week. Thanks. But I am almost done with
 the XFree86 downloads from RHN. Does it matter which order I install the rpms
 ?

Then... 

rpm -Fvh /where/you/saved/stuff/to/*.rpm

Will do the same thing on your downloaded files - only install what's
newer.

F stands for freshen and is designed precisely for this purpose. Its
good ;)

Mike

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