Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
> >This is an example of type 1 pricing (5/12/2000 run out specials) > >15" Goldstar 520i/552V ..$255 inc GST >15" ACER 54E $255 inc GST > >17" Goldstar 775N .$375 inc GST >17" ACER 77C $375 inc GST >17" Mitsubishi 1770f .$375 inc GST > >Perhaps it is time we had the guy from Sony Trinitron back for another >talk about screen technology. And of discounts for SLUGgers on 19" or 21" monitors...:-) Preferable .25 or better...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Dustin wrote:
> left. If you compare that to the current Sony, LG and Panasonic flat 17"
> monitors which are all ~$700, it's pretty much a hot bargain. The
> aforementioned trio haven't dropped much in price and especially the LG
> which has dropped from around $750 to $720 in the last 9 months. Bit of a
> monitor cartel if you ask me ;-)
Err considering the fact that the Aussie dollars has been going
downwards during this time, it is a good thing that it has been going
down. Also, most suppliers have been running down stock during this
time.
Models would help your argument somewhat.
Like LG/Sony/Mitsubishi/??? have 14/15/17/19/?? " sizes and can have up
to five different models in each size.
My last LG was a 995E = 19" @ .26" for $875 in Nov 2000.
Before that it was a 795SC = 17" @ .26" for about $550 in May 2000.
I summarise the LG range as having in each size and in increasing order
of cost;
1 - basic, economical screen
2 - old .28" resolution screen
3 - newer .26" resolution screen
4 - multimedia screen with built in speakers and mike
5 - CAD screen
It seems to be the same for the other brands as well.
This is an example of type 1 pricing (5/12/2000 run out specials)
15" Goldstar 520i/552V ..$255 inc GST
15" ACER 54E $255 inc GST
17" Goldstar 775N .$375 inc GST
17" ACER 77C $375 inc GST
17" Mitsubishi 1770f .$375 inc GST
Perhaps it is time we had the guy from Sony Trinitron back for another
talk about screen technology.
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Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Having just bought a new monitor (a Videocom from Grace Bros of all places), Michael's point is pretty much right on. You can tie yourself up worrying about aperture grills, dot pitches and screen coatings or just ask the salesperson to give you a live demo. The setup at GB was running through one of those fancy Windows gaming benchmarks and gave a good demo of the colour purity and edge sharpness. The Videocom is a 17" "DynaFlat" shadow mask monitor - sharp and nice straight edges all for $518 without delivery - there's probably about 2 or 3 left. If you compare that to the current Sony, LG and Panasonic flat 17" monitors which are all ~$700, it's pretty much a hot bargain. The aforementioned trio haven't dropped much in price and especially the LG which has dropped from around $750 to $720 in the last 9 months. Bit of a monitor cartel if you ask me ;-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Well my 2 cents worth is, buy whatever it is you like. Personally, I'd sooner spend the more money and get something that I am happy with. I have a CPD-200ES Sony 17" which I paid a bit for at the time. But to this day I am still happy with it. The new models have improved, so who knows when it comes to getting a new monitor again, I am sure I might buy another Sony unit. Another recent purcahse was a CPD-E100 Sony 15", and I must admit. It is the best 15" I have ever had the pleasure of using. It is tiny, and has some nice screen refresh. The great thing is, it is small and can be taken to friends places with much more ease. - Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Michael Lake wrote: > > Also, it's time to purchase a new monitor. Anyone know if flat screens > > are common yet ... and cheap? Are they worth it? > Well I have seen some and they look very good but they are very pricy. > If you are really short on desk space (esp depth) or you want I have got a DV150 (15") which is very nice. Apart from the fact that it doesn't do some of the refresh rates it is supposed to in the manual it is beautiful and pricey (2.2k). Oh yeah, a graphic artist was going to buy one and had a look at this one and decided it wasn't worth it yet. Apparently, because the colour changes slightly when you change viewing angle was enough to make them worried... I can actually watch this thing much longer than a CRT so it works out well for me. tom. Consultant AUSSECPhone: 61 4 1768 2202 339 Blaxland Rd., Ryde NSW 2112 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Scott Howard wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 10:27:16PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > > > > > > To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for > > > > the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the > > > > screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. > > > > It's the hallmark of any slot mask screen - I have an Acer 79g that has > > them and unless I *really* look hard, I don't notice them... > > Which just goes to prove the point - The Acer 79g has a Sony Trinitron > tube. > > As far as I'm aware, no non-Trinitron monitors have these two lines. > > Scott. > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug A "DiamondTron" screen made by Mitsubishi (different gun arrangement) exhibits the same characteristics, except that it only had the one line 2/3s down the screen. regards -- Michael Sztachanski Snr. Technical Engineer Turbolinux Aust. Pty Ltd Lvl1, 255 George Street, SYDNEY NSW Australia 2000 Ph: +61 2 9252 6011 Fx: +61 2 9252 6022 ++ + On the Sixth Day the GODs created LINUX + + and on the Seventh Day they rested and+ + surveyed what they had done and they saw + + that it was GOOD! + ++ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 10:27:16PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > > > > To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for > > > the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the > > > screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. > > It's the hallmark of any slot mask screen - I have an Acer 79g that has > them and unless I *really* look hard, I don't notice them... Which just goes to prove the point - The Acer 79g has a Sony Trinitron tube. As far as I'm aware, no non-Trinitron monitors have these two lines. Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
> > To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for > > the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the > > screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. > >If you value your sanity - DON'T do this. They will haunt you! You >will forever see the lines in your mind's eye just where they >should be on the monitor - even in games. They are almost >imperceptable normally, but when you know they are there you look >for them. It's the hallmark of any slot mask screen - I have an Acer 79g that has them and unless I *really* look hard, I don't notice them... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Michael Lake wrote: > Dave Kempe wrote: > > nice and they look trinitron based. > > They are so flat they look concave. Very nice. > > To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for > the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the > screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. > Yes the concaviness is an interesting effect taht took a while to get > used to - I was SURE it was concave! Actually this doeasn't tell you it is a trinitron, it tells you that the monitor uses a variation on a shadow mask called an aperture grille. Although many people love aperture grille monitors, I would encourage you to have a long look at monitors yourself before buying one. People fall in love with aperture grille monitors because they are usually flatter and brighter than a shadow mask at the same price, games, for example, look wonderful. My personal opinion however is that aperture grille monitors are never as sharp as a good shadow mask. If you plan to stare at text for many hours in a row (ie. write code) get a good shadow mask. Discussing this usually brings a lot of strong opinions from people who own aperture grilles they paid a lot for and do not enjoy cognitive dissonance. Go look at monitors for yourself. Check geometry carefully, look at patterns designed to show moire and make sure that you see it at the res and refresh you plan to run it. A good monitor will be used a lot longer than a box, in my experience, so it's worth taking some time to choose. cheers, Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Heracles wrote: > If you value your sanity - DON'T do this. They will haunt you! You > will forever see the lines in your mind's eye just where they Damn you! They didnt bother me until you said that! BTW, the Trinitron(tm) tech is called "Apeture Grill" generically, and the patent has expired, which is why its much cheaper now. Well worth paying a little extra for the Mitsubishi or CTX mentioned above, than a standard monitor. They are also brighter. -- Mike Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --==-- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Michael Lake wrote: > To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for > the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the > screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. If you value your sanity - DON'T do this. They will haunt you! You will forever see the lines in your mind's eye just where they should be on the monitor - even in games. They are almost imperceptable normally, but when you know they are there you look for them. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Yep, the 17" CTXs house Trinitron technology and go for under $730. Very similar to these are the same sized LG's. Pretty good value and ATM I'd go one over my current 19"... Andrew. On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:26, you wrote: > From what I've seen the CTX's look very nice. Very flat and nice sharp > colour. In 17" about $800 dunno how good the 19" are tho. The 17s are very > nice and they look trinitron based. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Dave Kempe wrote: > nice and they look trinitron based. > They are so flat they look concave. Very nice. To tell if it is a Trinitron: Setup a nice white background and look for the two fine black horizontal lines 1/3 and 2/3 of the way down the screen. Hallmark of the Trinitron Clan. Yes the concaviness is an interesting effect taht took a while to get used to - I was SURE it was concave! Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. Safety Convenor, Australian Speleological Federation Owner, Speleonics (Australia) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
> Indeedy. If you want an inexpensive trinitron monitor, go for one of the > 'budget priced' Diamond View lines. They're Mitsubishi monitors, and are > very similar to what you'll find inside one of those perky G3 monitor > shells. >From what I've seen the CTX's look very nice. Very flat and nice sharp colour. In 17" about $800 dunno how good the 19" are tho. The 17s are very nice and they look trinitron based. They are so flat they look concave. Very nice. Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
> Having looked at Trinitrons I will stick with them. They are really very > crisp and clear with better contrast (like black is really black). I think > they are better value for money than LCD if you don't have desk-depth > probs. Indeedy. If you want an inexpensive trinitron monitor, go for one of the 'budget priced' Diamond View lines. They're Mitsubishi monitors, and are very similar to what you'll find inside one of those perky G3 monitor shells. I got a 1775DT or something, and it's very nice. There are some well-priced 19 inchers out there too. ObLinux: Works great in XFree86 4.0.2! ;) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Free software never simply picks up its marbles and goes home." - Jonathan Corbet, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Rick Welykochy wrote: > I have had monitor colour guns blow out on three separate occassions > using two separate monitors, using X. (One monitor was repaired and the > blue gun blew six months later). > Admittedly, the two monitors in question are 4-5 years old, so the problem > might just be monitor age. > I am wondering if incorrect settings in X for the scan/refresh rate can > cause this? Certainly can. If you specify and hsysc and vsync rate faster than your monitor can scan then it will run hot (Jill informs me its the line output transistors) and so eventually they will fail - new monitor time :-) I manually set my values in XF86Config file but went by my monitors specs. > Also, it's time to purchase a new monitor. Anyone know if flat screens > are common yet ... and cheap? Are they worth it? Well I have seen some and they look very good but they are very pricy. If you are really short on desk space (esp depth) or you want portability I would say that they are now worth it. I have a 17" Trinitron Multiscan 200GS here at home and Jill has a trinitron as well (~ $1200). Having looked at Trinitrons I will stick with them. They are really very crisp and clear with better contrast (like black is really black). I think they are better value for money than LCD if you don't have desk-depth probs. Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. Safety Convenor, Australian Speleological Federation Owner, Speleonics (Australia) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Blown monitor guns
Hi all ... I have had monitor colour guns blow out on three separate occassions using two separate monitors, using X. (One monitor was repaired and the blue gun blew six months later). Admittedly, the two monitors in question are 4-5 years old, so the problem might just be monitor age. I am wondering if incorrect settings in X for the scan/refresh rate can cause this? Also, it's time to purchase a new monitor. Anyone know if flat screens are common yet ... and cheap? Are they worth it? Cheers Rick W -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
