Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Tuesday 08 July 2003 02:46 am, Anand Kumria wrote: If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney to find a suitable location, let me know. seeing as i have been d/l'g the 4 debian ISOs over the last coupla nites (yes .. i have a slow connection) i think i still have enuff in me to put my hand up again for a bit more pain and suffering for this worthy cause ... 'slong as the time is ok .. advance notice will be appreciated... personally .. i have no probs with the WBH .. it was fairly easy to get to as i have a car.. plus i m not a regular attendee.. yet for those who work .. and have important gear to lug around and protect .. i m not too sure how any other venue would be different .. i mean .. things will still have to be kept locked in the boot of the car (undesirable but lots safer than leaving them in open view) .. and/or things will have to be carried around and brought into the meeting place (wherever that maybe) of cos i m not sure how much stuff folks carry around with them when they go to work... my own case feels like it is 20 kgs sometimes (when i do carry it around ...mmm must weigh it one day .. will get a chance next week ) .. underaged parties who r interested in debian can usually get into specified areas of most licensed premises if they are under supervision ... and a meeting spot like that at the WBH would most probably fall into that category ... i think .. any legal opinions on that from anyone?? or is one necessary??? :)) my 2c worth :) m -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
So long as they always remains in the prescence of a responsible adult... Check the signage of the area if unsure... Warmest regards Mike - Bartending Certificate, RSA and RCG. (Just in case I decide that IT isn't lucrative for me anymore...) ;) --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 moise lim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/2003 12:40 AM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location.. On Tuesday 08 July 2003 02:46 am, Anand Kumria wrote: If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney to find a suitable location, let me know. seeing as i have been d/l'g the 4 debian ISOs over the last coupla nites (yes .. i have a slow connection) i think i still have enuff in me to put my hand up again for a bit more pain and suffering for this worthy cause ... 'slong as the time is ok .. advance notice will be appreciated... personally .. i have no probs with the WBH .. it was fairly easy to get to as i have a car.. plus i m not a regular attendee.. yet for those who work .. and have important gear to lug around and protect .. i m not too sure how any other venue would be different .. i mean .. things will still have to be kept locked in the boot of the car (undesirable but lots safer than leaving them in open view) .. and/or things will have to be carried around and brought into the meeting place (wherever that maybe) of cos i m not sure how much stuff folks carry around with them when they go to work... my own case feels like it is 20 kgs sometimes (when i do carry it around ...mmm must weigh it one day .. will get a chance next week ) .. underaged parties who r interested in debian can usually get into specified areas of most licensed premises if they are under supervision ... and a meeting spot like that at the WBH would most probably fall into that category ... i think .. any legal opinions on that from anyone?? or is one necessary??? :)) my 2c worth :) m -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:53:11PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Matt Hope wrote: There have been mumbings and some comments made about the current location for the Debian Interest Group meetings - currently, the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel. Not too bad, but it tends to be a bit noisy. It also fails on your public transport requirement - it's not near public transport, IMO. Better than, say, Miller would be (look it up on your outer outer western Sydney maps), but it's still not particularly close to the Train station. I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - Doesn't cost much to hire (which I believe is one of the problems voiced with the WBH). Considering the amount of food and drink bought (especially The secret incantantion is community group and all costs are waived. Cost has only been an issue for me when I booked DebSIG the second time and couldn't remember the phrase. Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:45:00PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: So, capping up: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is 'safely' accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - meeting room - ?? under 18s without escort ?? - reasonable costs - 'safe' for those driving post-work WBH doesn't meet several of those requirements, and off-hand nothing comes to mind that does. Mind you - that's off-hand. So, can I suggest that anyone who can come up with alternatives simply name them? IMO All the requirements are must-haves with one exception - the under 18s w/out escort. On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:13:42AM +1000, Matt Hope wrote: PS: There is also some discussion about an alternate venue... Okay, on the presumption that people are interested in continuing at a bar (preferably with pool tables) then either the CBD, the Grace hotel or even the Forbes may be suitable. The problem that all three venues have -- is that there is no enclosed, private area like there is at the WBH. I've had someone mention that the Edinburgh Castle may be worth a look though. Despite all the negatives listed above, the best thing about the WBH is the (two) private areas where you can hold a meeting. If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney to find a suitable location, let me know. Cheers, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:46:21 +1000 Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, on the presumption that people are interested in continuing at a bar (preferably with pool tables) then either the CBD, the Grace hotel or even the Forbes may be suitable. The problem that all three venues have -- is that there is no enclosed, private area like there is at the WBH. I've had someone mention that the Edinburgh Castle may be worth a look though. Despite all the negatives listed above, the best thing about the WBH is the (two) private areas where you can hold a meeting. The Crown Hotel on the corner of (I think) Elizabeth and Goulburn Streets has an upstairs bar that is usually closed and available for private functions; would fit perhaps a couple of dozen people. A friend of mine used to run a discussion group there, and if the venue wasn't free it would have been very, very cheap. If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney to find a suitable location, let me know. Ah, those educational pub crawls. I'm a martyr to my thirst for knowledge. Matthew Davidson. Chief Nerd of soon-to-be-defunct Parramatta Computer Access Network. http://www.cat.org.au/pcan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
There have been mumbings and some comments made about the current location for the Debian Interest Group meetings - currently, the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel. I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location (please also feel free to add requirements, or dispute the ones I've suggested) Matt. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux www.debian.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
quote who=Matt Hope I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. WBH is great, and fulfills all the criteria, IMHO: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, Good food and drink at the pub, almost always prompt service. - is accessable via public transport Short wander from Wynyard. - is in a fairly central location Short wander from Wynyard. ;-) A point which wasn't on your list, which I think is important: Appropriate venue for a meeting and discussion. WBH has the private function room, and it's usually pretty quiet, unless there's a drunken office party there (rare on Wednesday nights). - Jeff -- Get Informed: SCO vs. IBMhttp://sco.iwethey.org/ Creative thinkers make many false starts, and continually waver between unmanageable fantasies and systematic attack. - Harry Hepner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 12:16, Matt Hope wrote: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - Accessible to minors? Debsig has traditionally been a fairly beery event (I blame Craige ;-), but we do have a few younger members. Are they interested in going? -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Matt Hope wrote: There have been mumbings and some comments made about the current location for the Debian Interest Group meetings - currently, the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel. Not too bad, but it tends to be a bit noisy. It also fails on your public transport requirement - it's not near public transport, IMO. Better than, say, Miller would be (look it up on your outer outer western Sydney maps), but it's still not particularly close to the Train station. I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - Doesn't cost much to hire (which I believe is one of the problems voiced with the WBH). Considering the amount of food and drink bought (especially since there are at least 3 separate-but-associated meetings held there over the course of the average month) surely they'd be making their costs back on it... - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
quote who=Peter Hardy On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 12:16, Matt Hope wrote: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - Accessible to minors? Debsig has traditionally been a fairly beery event (I blame Craige ;-), but we do have a few younger members. Are they interested in going? WBH is okay, if parents/guardians are present, but it's a weeknight anyway, so might not be appropriate for other reasons. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ Whatcha wanna be when you grow up? Eight and a half. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
quote who=Matthew Palmer - Doesn't cost much to hire (which I believe is one of the problems voiced with the WBH). Considering the amount of food and drink bought (especially since there are at least 3 separate-but-associated meetings held there over the course of the average month) surely they'd be making their costs back on it... There has been some work done to alleviate that, but the Main Man there is sometimes difficult to get a hold of. :-) I'm hoping it will be less of a problem in future, once we can forge an agreement. - Jeff -- Get Informed: SCO vs. IBMhttp://sco.iwethey.org/ Debian is not as minor as many business end people think. - Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Matt Hope I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. WBH is great, and fulfills all the criteria, IMHO: I've heard these critiques elsewhere: - not overly safe at night - under 18s can't attend I've walked to WBH exactly once at night, and it's not an experience I'm that keen to repeat (not that anything terrible happened). I don't attend DebSIG and I'm not all that likely to become a regular, so take these for what they're worth :) -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 12:43, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Peter Hardy On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 12:16, Matt Hope wrote: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - Accessible to minors? Debsig has traditionally been a fairly beery event (I blame Craige ;-), but we do have a few younger members. Are they interested in going? WBH is okay, if parents/guardians are present, but it's a weeknight anyway, so might not be appropriate for other reasons. :-) I'm not entirely sure the average parent would really want to know what goes on at those things, though. ;-) But yeah, I think it's much more of a hassle if you need to be escorted. Perhaps it's time to relegate the beery shenanigans to post-meeting. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
quote who=Mary Gardiner I've heard these critiques elsewhere: - not overly safe at night - under 18s can't attend Oh, and parking is not always very safe. To the car. Or belongings inside. Hmm. - Jeff -- Get Informed: SCO vs. IBMhttp://sco.iwethey.org/ Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly. - Robert Doisneau -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ranted... - is accessable via public transport Short wander from Wynyard. - is in a fairly central location Short wander from Wynyard. ;-) I'd disagree here - its not exactly a short wander, and its not exactly safe (you have a choice of walking through the dark domain at night, or up to taylor square) . This, I think is the main detractor of WBH. A point which wasn't on your list, which I think is important: Appropriate venue for a meeting and discussion. WBH has the private function room, and it's usually pretty quiet, unless there's a drunken office party there (rare on Wednesday nights). This is a good, valid point. Matt. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
G'day... Mary's experience isn't unsuprising. Woolloomooloo has a high number of vagrants living in and around the area. The closest train station is Kings Cross. To get from the Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel to the train station, you are forced to walk through this area and the walk is about fifteen minutes uphill often where it isn't well lit and there aren't many other people around. Going to another train station or next point of public transport you also need to walk for a similar period of time, often through parts where you don't really see many other people. (Read propensity for danger late at night.) I'm pretty damn confident walking the streets of Sydney at any time - but I wouldn't really recommend this area to be doing that in. Warmest regards Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Network Administrator Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd p: (02) 9955 8000 Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/2003 01:01 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location.. On Mon, Jul 07, 2003, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Matt Hope I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions. WBH is great, and fulfills all the criteria, IMHO: I've heard these critiques elsewhere: - not overly safe at night - under 18s can't attend I've walked to WBH exactly once at night, and it's not an experience I'm that keen to repeat (not that anything terrible happened). I don't attend DebSIG and I'm not all that likely to become a regular, so take these for what they're worth :) -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 13:13, Peter Hardy wrote: I'm not entirely sure the average parent would really want to know what goes on at those things, though. ;-) But yeah, I think it's much more of a hassle if you need to be escorted. Perhaps it's time to relegate the beery shenanigans to post-meeting. Not sure about you, but if I'm going to travel midweek for ~ 1hr to , and then ~1hr from a 1-2 hour meeting, some food is essential - and the social lubricant good to. Not that I'd stop coming if we moved that to after-meeting, but Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 13:06, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Mary Gardiner I've heard these critiques elsewhere: - not overly safe at night - under 18s can't attend Oh, and parking is not always very safe. To the car. Or belongings inside. Hmm. So, capping up: Currently, I believe we need a location that - has food and drink nearby, - is 'safely' accessable via public transport - is in a fairly central location - meeting room - ?? under 18s without escort ?? - reasonable costs - 'safe' for those driving post-work WBH doesn't meet several of those requirements, and off-hand nothing comes to mind that does. Mind you - that's off-hand. So, can I suggest that anyone who can come up with alternatives simply name them? IMO All the requirements are must-haves with one exception - the under 18s w/out escort. Rob -- GPG key available at: http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
