[SLUG] I so hate X windows...
Guys/Gals, I've spent the last few hours playing around with xorg configs in an attempt to use nvidia twinview mode to allow me to have my LCD panel run native 1280x 1024 (via analog d-sub) and TV (svideo) have cloned screens. ie. whats shown on LCD is shown on TV. I am stuck, and no amount of google has helped. I either get both screens working as intended (but the res on the tv is only a small corner of the LCD native res, cant get it to be 800x600 or 640x480). or I get the TV screen working at 800x600 and the LCD panel goes into sleep mode when X starts. Anyone have a config example and something that works. Happy to post one of the many attempts I have made, but its driving me nuts. This is one thing that has me stumped. Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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You can't run a TV at 1280x1024 normally, normal TV resolutions are a lot smaller, btw you hate NVIDIA's drivers, X windows just loads them.. Dave. On Fri, 5 May 2006, Michael Fox wrote: Guys/Gals, I've spent the last few hours playing around with xorg configs in an attempt to use nvidia twinview mode to allow me to have my LCD panel run native 1280x 1024 (via analog d-sub) and TV (svideo) have cloned screens. ie. whats shown on LCD is shown on TV. I am stuck, and no amount of google has helped. I either get both screens working as intended (but the res on the tv is only a small corner of the LCD native res, cant get it to be 800x600 or 640x480). or I get the TV screen working at 800x600 and the LCD panel goes into sleep mode when X starts. Anyone have a config example and something that works. Happy to post one of the many attempts I have made, but its driving me nuts. This is one thing that has me stumped. Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- David Airlie, Software Engineer http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie Linux kernel - DRI, VAX / pam_smb / ILUG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On 5/5/06, Dave Airlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't run a TV at 1280x1024 normally, normal TV resolutions are a lot smaller, Umm I am fully aware of that, but twinview has something called meta modes.. basically you tell it what res the 2nd screen is at, thus 800x600 or 640x480. Which my TV can do. I either get the TV working perfect with the LCD going to sleep when X loads, or I get LCD working perfect and have the TV display 1/4 of the LCD native res (@640x480). btw you hate NVIDIA's drivers, X windows just loads them.. That is indeed true... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Michael Fox wrote: Umm I am fully aware of that, but twinview has something called meta modes.. basically you tell it what res the 2nd screen is at, thus 800x600 or 640x480. Which my TV can do. Michael, If it's any consolation you're not alone in experiencing difficulty with this. I've been mucking around with exactly this sort of problem trying to do an external LCD monitor from two different types of laptops with two different chipsets .. one nVidia and one ATI Radeon .. with similar sorts of results. Very frustrating. Still, I've seen enough reports of success to believe it can be made to work, so I'm battling on. If I find out anything helpful I'll let you know. regards Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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MichaelI have done a fair bit of mucking around with this sort of thing. I spent weeks getting three monitors to work so I know how VERY frustring it is. It was a few years ago when mandrake was popular. I found of all the distros it came the closest to setting this up... though it needed tweakingPerhaps you have already done this but i found that the monitors had to be configured to generic types not plug'n'play in the config file (in the monitor section) . The graphics cards should be ok. Also be careful about what else you have setup. for example I'm told xrandr and the Nvidia twinview are incompatible and do not work together. Also just make sure that if xinerama is enabled that it doesn't conflict with twin viewHTH RegardsPhill O'Flynn - Original Message -Subject: Re: [SLUG] I so hate X windows...From:Terry Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:Fri, May 5, 2006 4:51 amTo: SLUG email list slug@slug.org.auMichael Fox wrote: Umm I am fully aware of that, but twinview has something called meta modes.. basically you tell it what res the 2nd screen is at, thus 800x600 or 640x480. Which my TV can do.Michael,If it's any consolation you're not alone in experiencing difficulty withthis. I've been mucking around with exactly this sort of problem tryingto do an external LCD monitor from two different types of laptops withtwo different chipsets .. one nVidia and one ATI Radeon .. with similarsorts of results. Very frustrating.Still, I've seen enough reports of success to believe it can be made towork, so I'm battling on. If I find out anything helpful I'll let you know.regardsTerry-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi Michael, I've got a working but clumsy system. Googling was frustrating for me too - eg is there actually a straightforward VESA reference out there for standard VESA modes?? Below are the monitor/device/screen sections from xorg.conf on my Sony Vaio with an nVidia GeForce Go 6200. It's been configured as a clone for our Sony 40 Bravia, which is *supposed* to take 1280x768 on the analog input, according to the doco. The X config below is working well enough at the moment to run MythTV (esp after some aspect tweaking within Myth), so I've scaled back my search for a more elegant solution. Working: If the external VGA cable is connected as X comes up, both screens work happily at 1024x768. With some wide-screen and aspect fiddling, you can somewhat fake a better result. If the external VGA cable isn't working, the laptop monitor comes up as its native 1280x800. If I'm in one mode and need to switch to the other, I restart gdm. Not Working: Different modes in the metamodes lines - ideally I wanted 1280x800, 1280x768, but I can't get 1280x800, 1024x768 working either, even with pointed DFP and CRT tags. Resolutions above 1024x768 for the LCD TV screen Love to hear how you go. cheers, Mary. Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor HorizSync 28.0 - 64.0 VertRefresh 60.0 ModeLine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 83.9 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841 Option DPMS EndSection Section Device Identifier NVIDIA Corporation NV40M? [GeForce Go 6200] Driver nvidia EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device NVIDIA Corporation NV40M? [GeForce Go 6200] MonitorGeneric Monitor DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView True Option SecondMonitorHorizSync 28.0 - 64.0 Option SecondMonitorVertRefresh 60.0 Option TwinViewOrientation Clone Option UseEdidFreqs True Option MetaModes 1024x768, 1024x768 # Option ConnectedMonitor DFP,DFP SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x800 EndSubSection EndSection -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Hi again, Re nVidia's Twinview vs Xinerama - it's my understanding that they attempt to implement the same functionality, and shouldn't be used together. My decision-making was based on the simplistic statement that Twinview is nVidia specific and possibly faster, whereas Xinerama does cooler things but might be somewhat slower. If this is true, for basic cloning with an nVidia card, Twinview is the better way to go. Anyone else have this idea? FYI, though you might have seen this forum already: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 cheers, Mary Cudmore. Phill O'Flynn wrote: Michael I have done a fair bit of mucking around with this sort of thing. I spent weeks getting three monitors to work so I know how VERY frustring it is. It was a few years ago when mandrake was popular. I found of all the distros it came the closest to setting this up... though it needed tweaking Perhaps you have already done this but i found that the monitors had to be configured to generic types not plug'n'play in the config file (in the monitor section) . The graphics cards should be ok. Also be careful about what else you have setup. for example I'm told xrandr and the Nvidia twinview are incompatible and do not work together. Also just make sure that if xinerama is enabled that it doesn't conflict with twin view HTH Regards Phill O'Flynn - Original Message - Subject: Re: [SLUG] I so hate X windows... From: Terry Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, May 5, 2006 4:51 am To: SLUG email list slug@slug.org.au Michael Fox wrote: Umm I am fully aware of that, but twinview has something called meta modes.. basically you tell it what res the 2nd screen is at, thus 800x600 or 640x480. Which my TV can do. Michael, If it's any consolation you're not alone in experiencing difficulty with this. I've been mucking around with exactly this sort of problem trying to do an external LCD monitor from two different types of laptops with two different chipsets .. one nVidia and one ATI Radeon .. with similar sorts of results. Very frustrating. Still, I've seen enough reports of success to believe it can be made to work, so I'm battling on. If I find out anything helpful I'll let you know. regards Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Friday 05 May 2006 01:36, Michael Fox wrote: snipped Anyone have a config example and something that works. Happy to post one of the many attempts I have made, but its driving me nuts. This is one thing that has me stumped. Heh, my cloned example from last month would look pretty nasty on some (most) lcd monitors. I'm currently working on a tv capture card and I'm using a different X setup now. It doesn't use the twinview feature at all, but runs them as two screens. See appendix P of the Nvidia readme. This way way you can drag and drop windows to the TV and full screening them works correctly. It also has the advantage that you can start programs directly on the tv from the console, eg: mplayer -display :0.1 somemovie.avi Another plus to using this two screen setup is that I now use it as my default server layout, as everything works find without the tv being on/connected and my monitor resolution is always what I want. Cheers, Malcolm V. -- All great discoveries are made by mistake. -- Young -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Thanks for the help, but no matter what I find and test it just dont work like it should and has those 2 same issues (either way). Think I will leave it for a few weeks. Thanks anyways -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Friday 05 May 2006 02:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm I am fully aware of that, but twinview has something called meta modes.. basically you tell it what res the 2nd screen is at, thus 800x600 or 640x480. Which my TV can do. Michael, If it's any consolation you're not alone in experiencing difficulty with this. I've been mucking around with exactly this sort of problem trying to do an external LCD monitor from two different types of laptops with two different chipsets .. one nVidia and one ATI Radeon .. with similar sorts of results. Very frustrating. Still, I've seen enough reports of success to believe it can be made to work, so I'm battling on. If I find out anything helpful I'll let you know. My mate has done exactly that: 1280x1024 LCD and SVIDEO TV. I'll ask him and forward the answer. He's a GT6600. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:32:38AM +1000, Mary Cudmore wrote: Re nVidia's Twinview vs Xinerama - it's my understanding that they attempt to implement the same functionality, and shouldn't be used together. My decision-making was based on the simplistic statement that Twinview is nVidia specific and possibly faster, whereas Xinerama does cooler things but might be somewhat slower. If this is true, for basic cloning with an nVidia card, Twinview is the better way to go. Anyone else have this idea? I tend to use Twinview for dual-monitors-on-a-card, partly because (at least at one point) it seemed to be handle monitors with different resolutions better. But FWIW, Twinview and Xinerama do seem to play fine together. One client has a couple of four-headed setups using 2 Nvidia cards doing twinview over 2 monitors, and then the two twinviews stitched together using xinerama. Getting it working was a bit of a dog, but it's rock solid once it's working. Cheers, Gavin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
