Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Grant Parnell wrote: On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Michael Sztachanski wrote: FYI, an running MYOB Premier 4.5+ at a clients premises. The Head Office (Syd) has 5 accounts people, with another 2 connect via VPN from Melb., with another 2 from Qld via VPN as well. Clients are M$ W98. File Server: Turbolinux 6.5 running samba (PCD) Firewall/routers: TL6.5 VPN: FreeS/WAN over ADSL This site has been up and running for over 9mths with no corruption so far. regards Michael Sztachanski Snr. Tech. Engineer cell: 0410 547593 Would you care to give details on the filesystem used, samba version and the samba config you've got, just for reference? MYOB data file is on a linux partition. samba version was 2.0.7 plus patches, have recently upgraded to 2.2.2 on my test box - very nice, will update production system need next week. Will send you config. tomorrow when I fire up my laptop. A little note for people who are supporting clients with MYOB on Linux --- MAKE SURE that your clients optimises the file regularly, as the MYOB dbase file is very flakey - try to get that at from their tech support, as some of you have found out. cheers Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Samba 2.0.7 patched - File server is PCD, DNS2, WINS and Which patches have you installed? ie did you install a pam patch or something different? dhcp.(will be going over to 2.2.2 soon - some nice things there). yeah, hopefully v3 will come out soon too, winbind sounds like a step forward. Clients logon to domain. no domain environment, just a simple workgroup. Clients also have correct tcp/ip naming convention, with Windows domain name different. ie sys1.domain.com.au, with windows domain not being domain but kingdom, as windows screws up smb/netbios to tcp/ip. Richard Sharp's latest book on Samba is very good (still waiting for John Terpstra to get off his ass and write his). ClientAcc.prm lives on Linux partition (ext2) in the share mine lives on a raid1 ext2 partition homes - will send smb.conf file latter as on laptop. That would be nice. I havnt tuned any file locking on this server, so maybe that is what is what needs to be done? Have found the file locking ok, but what I have found is that the MYOB dbase file .prm is very flakey - tested it on windoses NT 2000, I mean, that the some problem occurs. The dbase file corrupts - especially as it gets bigger ie 200/300Mb +. So you need to make sure that your client - first on to logon optomises the file first - or you can write a little script for when the user logs on to the domain. Yeah we notice the same with a 150meg prm file. Very unstable format to store data, imho. Cheers, Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBPDkM5hMcfLgR5MndEQJYlQCgj7/zxLqT3r1FltNlS+Vxmqi0MVoAn3d6 uq+puqnBK0GzrKmgsJxua7Pn =xmi5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Very unstable format to store data, imho. No it's commercial marketing. They want you to buy the commercial Premiere edition where only one user locks the file and shares it through a proprietary NETBIOS protocol? So how much money have you got to solve this problem? This is not a plug for MYOB :-) Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:50 PM To: 'Michael Sztachanski' Cc: 'Grant Parnell'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The workstations use MYOB Premier 5.0.2 (atleast, they get update notices via email and download the patches over the web). The workstations have been told to use TCP/IP as the communications method. Not enough money, sorry, maybe these features/bugs are fixed in MYOB Accountants office, maybe? If i had enough time to code a linux-based myob solution, i would think about it ... Cheers, Steve -Original Message- From: Luke McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 4:26 PM To: Steven Evans Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? Very unstable format to store data, imho. No it's commercial marketing. They want you to buy the commercial Premiere edition where only one user locks the file and shares it through a proprietary NETBIOS protocol? So how much money have you got to solve this problem? This is not a plug for MYOB :-) Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:50 PM To: 'Michael Sztachanski' Cc: 'Grant Parnell'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBPDlTixMcfLgR5MndEQKtVQCePbkth2FhB3T3H6ePlfgpntGU2XMAoIAi h68JW9b2oJYyRV6+MkjQ0pMs =gRPI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Steven, Just the be more precise. NetBIOS over TCP/IP. They code it in NetBIOS so it works over IPX, TCP/IP, NETBEUI whatever crap is laying around. Hey isn't that a really old version of MYOB you have there?.. I think I've found another excuse for you to pay money? Commercial non-plug... Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 6:52 PM To: 'Luke McKee' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The workstations use MYOB Premier 5.0.2 (atleast, they get update notices via email and download the patches over the web). The workstations have been told to use TCP/IP as the communications method. Not enough money, sorry, maybe these features/bugs are fixed in MYOB Accountants office, maybe? If i had enough time to code a linux-based myob solution, i would think about it ... Cheers, Steve -Original Message- From: Luke McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 4:26 PM To: Steven Evans Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? Very unstable format to store data, imho. No it's commercial marketing. They want you to buy the commercial Premiere edition where only one user locks the file and shares it through a proprietary NETBIOS protocol? So how much money have you got to solve this problem? This is not a plug for MYOB :-) Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:50 PM To: 'Michael Sztachanski' Cc: 'Grant Parnell'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBPDlTixMcfLgR5MndEQKtVQCePbkth2FhB3T3H6ePlfgpntGU2XMAoIAi h68JW9b2oJYyRV6+MkjQ0pMs =gRPI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Steve, Sorry. MYOB permier version 5 is latest.. I was thinking of their other dummed down product. MYOB Accounting that's version 11 now. God we shouldn't be talking about commercial products on the list I know. More to the point commercial applications that access databases over SMB shouldn't be trusted with Linux on my opinion. I've seen a Samba server shred an address plus database at my work with thousand of contacts. We did it as a test because it was rumored to have happened at other offices overseas. This sort of problem has been happening for years. Before Samba was big, I remember in 97 Novell used to do the same thing with packet signing with some dos applications that wrote to data files. The problem then too was to do with locking over the network. Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 6:56 PM To: 'Luke McKee' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 lol ;) -Original Message- From: Luke McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 6:55 PM To: Steven Evans Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? Steven, Just the be more precise. NetBIOS over TCP/IP. They code it in NetBIOS so it works over IPX, TCP/IP, NETBEUI whatever crap is laying around. Hey isn't that a really old version of MYOB you have there?.. I think I've found another excuse for you to pay money? Commercial non-plug... Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 6:52 PM To: 'Luke McKee' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The workstations use MYOB Premier 5.0.2 (atleast, they get update notices via email and download the patches over the web). The workstations have been told to use TCP/IP as the communications method. Not enough money, sorry, maybe these features/bugs are fixed in MYOB Accountants office, maybe? If i had enough time to code a linux-based myob solution, i would think about it ... Cheers, Steve -Original Message- From: Luke McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 4:26 PM To: Steven Evans Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? Very unstable format to store data, imho. No it's commercial marketing. They want you to buy the commercial Premiere edition where only one user locks the file and shares it through a proprietary NETBIOS protocol? So how much money have you got to solve this problem? This is not a plug for MYOB :-) Luke -Original Message- From: Steven Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:50 PM To: 'Michael Sztachanski' Cc: 'Grant Parnell'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBPDlTixMcfLgR5MndEQKtVQCePbkth2FhB3T3H6ePlfgpntGU2XMAoIAi h68JW9b2oJYyRV6+MkjQ0pMs =gRPI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 iQA/AwUBPDlUcBMcfLgR5MndEQIOWgCfWNfymcJ4ocYK1vAqCU2bzLBIj7sAoPTk IiTz91VhIlj8kNmnqoeaX20e =vOeH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Michael Sztachanski wrote: FYI, an running MYOB Premier 4.5+ at a clients premises. The Head Office (Syd) has 5 accounts people, with another 2 connect via VPN from Melb., with another 2 from Qld via VPN as well. Clients are M$ W98. File Server: Turbolinux 6.5 running samba (PCD) Firewall/routers: TL6.5 VPN: FreeS/WAN over ADSL This site has been up and running for over 9mths with no corruption so far. regards Michael Sztachanski Snr. Tech. Engineer cell: 0410 547593 Would you care to give details on the filesystem used, samba version and the samba config you've got, just for reference? -- ---GRiP--- Web: www.arcadia.au.com/gripz Phone/fax: 02 4950 1194 Mobile: 0408 686 201 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Could you make the reply to this post public for all of us to see. All the research done on this topic on google comes up with one response: myob has left a bug in their product to stop multiple users (1 is ok, 1 is bad and reduce to crawl) from using linux as the file server of their .prm files. Slackware 7.1, samba 2.0.7, tcp as the protocol used (not ipx). Cheers, Steve -Original Message- From: Grant Parnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2002 11:26 PM To: Michael Sztachanski Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ??? On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Michael Sztachanski wrote: FYI, an running MYOB Premier 4.5+ at a clients premises. The Head Office (Syd) has 5 accounts people, with another 2 connect via VPN from Melb., with another 2 from Qld via VPN as well. Clients are M$ W98. File Server: Turbolinux 6.5 running samba (PCD) Firewall/routers: TL6.5 VPN: FreeS/WAN over ADSL This site has been up and running for over 9mths with no corruption so far. regards Michael Sztachanski Snr. Tech. Engineer cell: 0410 547593 Would you care to give details on the filesystem used, samba version and the samba config you've got, just for reference? -- ---GRiP--- Web: www.arcadia.au.com/gripz Phone/fax: 02 4950 1194 Mobile: 0408 686 201 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
FYI, an running MYOB Premier 4.5+ at a clients premises. The Head Office (Syd) has 5 accounts people, with another 2 connect via VPN from Melb., with another 2 from Qld via VPN as well. Clients are M$ W98. File Server: Turbolinux 6.5 running samba (PCD) Firewall/routers: TL6.5 VPN: FreeS/WAN over ADSL This site has been up and running for over 9mths with no corruption so far. regards Michael Sztachanski Snr. Tech. Engineer cell: 0410 547593 -- Russell Ashdown wrote: Netware incorporates proprietary system calls that can be utilised by developers for file locking. date retrieval and many other functions. If you are using mars-nwe the Netware server emulator, it may be that not all these system calls are supported. The calls themselves have changed since Netware 3.11 (which mars-nwe emulates). This may be the source of your problem. Further, if this is the source of your problem, and you are able to get a test system running MYOB, it is likely that if MYOB works fine with a single workstation it will not ALWAYS work well in multi- user mode, it is important that you emulate the customers environment. You will need to test using simultaneous input from multiple workstations, and attempt to cause file read/write collisions. While I have no knowledge of MYOB, my experience with other databases running on Netware servers indicates that file locking failure (and file unlocking failure) is a major cause of database corruption and deadly embrace causing user abort and further file and database corruption. Sad as it may seem, if MYOB will NOT support their product on a Linux server running a Netware emulator, you would be very foolish to proceed. File corruption in an accounting database can be extremely costly for the client (and, ultimately for you if you recommend they ignore MYOB and proceed). Why not downsize (remove all applications) the existing Netware server and leave ONLY MYOB on it? Then install a second, more powerful Linux machine configured as a mars-nwe server, to which the users could authenticate and use as the general purpose fileserver/applications server. To my mind that would be the safest alternative and should earn you kudos from your customer. On 2 Jan 2002, at 17:29, Vince Meissner wrote about: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYO I've got a client that uses MYOB Accountant's Office. It's a multi-user practice managment, time billing, invoicing type program. They're looking at replacing their existing Novell server which is at the end of it's life. I had them sold on the idea of a Linux based server until we discovered this little gem from MYOB's support pages. ** Question Is Accountants Office supported on a Linux Server? Answer No, Linux is not a compatible Network Operating System for Accountants Office because of fundamental incompatibilies in file and record locking within Linux and is therefore not supported under any circumstances. Link: http://myobaustralia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/myobaustralia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=*kRtyb4gp_lva=010130-51p_refno=010130- 51p_created=980896579p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1saW51eCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTYmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9OSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGFnZT0xp_li= snip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:55:52PM +1100, Vince Meissner wrote: To clarify, I am looking at using samba not the netware emulator. The other reason for upgrading is that they have reached the user limits of their netware licence and will need to upgrade regardless (25 user, NW 4.10) so removing load from the existing server will not be a solution. The big problem is that magical word support, If MYOB don't support Linux and the customer has problems with MYOB on linux, then MYOB can (and do) say sorry it's your network, not our software. ... and historically they would have been right. The issues of MYOB and Samba has been discussed on this and most every other Linux and Samba mailing list. In the past there have been a number of issues with Samba and MYOB, ranging from inability to run MYOB in multiuser mode up to corruption of data files. These issues have been solved by patches to Samba. Even if these issues have been resolved, cant you see why MYOB wouldn't want to support Linux? Scott. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Netware incorporates proprietary system calls that can be utilised by developers for file locking. date retrieval and many other functions. If you are using mars-nwe the Netware server emulator, it may be that not all these system calls are supported. The calls themselves have changed since Netware 3.11 (which mars-nwe emulates). This may be the source of your problem. Further, if this is the source of your problem, and you are able to get a test system running MYOB, it is likely that if MYOB works fine with a single workstation it will not ALWAYS work well in multi- user mode, it is important that you emulate the customers environment. You will need to test using simultaneous input from multiple workstations, and attempt to cause file read/write collisions. While I have no knowledge of MYOB, my experience with other databases running on Netware servers indicates that file locking failure (and file unlocking failure) is a major cause of database corruption and deadly embrace causing user abort and further file and database corruption. Sad as it may seem, if MYOB will NOT support their product on a Linux server running a Netware emulator, you would be very foolish to proceed. File corruption in an accounting database can be extremely costly for the client (and, ultimately for you if you recommend they ignore MYOB and proceed). Why not downsize (remove all applications) the existing Netware server and leave ONLY MYOB on it? Then install a second, more powerful Linux machine configured as a mars-nwe server, to which the users could authenticate and use as the general purpose fileserver/applications server. To my mind that would be the safest alternative and should earn you kudos from your customer. On 2 Jan 2002, at 17:29, Vince Meissner wrote about: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYO I've got a client that uses MYOB Accountant's Office. It's a multi-user practice managment, time billing, invoicing type program. They're looking at replacing their existing Novell server which is at the end of it's life. I had them sold on the idea of a Linux based server until we discovered this little gem from MYOB's support pages. ** Question Is Accountants Office supported on a Linux Server? Answer No, Linux is not a compatible Network Operating System for Accountants Office because of fundamental incompatibilies in file and record locking within Linux and is therefore not supported under any circumstances. Link: http://myobaustralia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/myobaustralia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=*kRtyb4gp_lva=010130-51p_refno=010130- 51p_created=980896579p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1saW51eCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTYmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9OSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGFnZT0xp_li= snip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
To clarify, I am looking at using samba not the netware emulator. The other reason for upgrading is that they have reached the user limits of their netware licence and will need to upgrade regardless (25 user, NW 4.10) so removing load from the existing server will not be a solution. The big problem is that magical word support, If MYOB don't support Linux and the customer has problems with MYOB on linux, then MYOB can (and do) say sorry it's your network, not our software. Also, if you do a search for linux on MYOB's website you get a total of 2 articles, this one and another on myob premier which basically says don't use it with a linux server. Mind you the same article also advocates disabling virus software on the fileserver to increase performance and reliability so I'm not too confident with the level of technical expertise... -Vince Russell Ashdown wrote: Netware incorporates proprietary system calls that can be utilised by developers for file locking. date retrieval and many other functions. If you are using mars-nwe the Netware server emulator, it may be that not all these system calls are supported. The calls themselves have changed since Netware 3.11 (which mars-nwe emulates). This may be the source of your problem. Further, if this is the source of your problem, and you are able to get a test system running MYOB, it is likely that if MYOB works fine with a single workstation it will not ALWAYS work well in multi- user mode, it is important that you emulate the customers environment. You will need to test using simultaneous input from multiple workstations, and attempt to cause file read/write collisions. While I have no knowledge of MYOB, my experience with other databases running on Netware servers indicates that file locking failure (and file unlocking failure) is a major cause of database corruption and deadly embrace causing user abort and further file and database corruption. Sad as it may seem, if MYOB will NOT support their product on a Linux server running a Netware emulator, you would be very foolish to proceed. File corruption in an accounting database can be extremely costly for the client (and, ultimately for you if you recommend they ignore MYOB and proceed). Why not downsize (remove all applications) the existing Netware server and leave ONLY MYOB on it? Then install a second, more powerful Linux machine configured as a mars-nwe server, to which the users could authenticate and use as the general purpose fileserver/applications server. To my mind that would be the safest alternative and should earn you kudos from your customer. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: I can feel it in my water (Was: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???)
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:25:13AM +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 18:16, Jeff Waugh wrote: If pain persists, please read the man page, it's a much better reference than my blabber. ;) Am I the only one who read this as bladder? No, but it didn't seem strange that Jeff was using his bladder as a reference ... -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key id: 0xD59C360F -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
The big problem is that magical word support, If MYOB don't support Linux and the customer has problems with MYOB on linux, then MYOB can (and do) say sorry it's your network, not our software. I think that this problem is a bit of a myth. Experience with these software vendors shows that they can all to readily blame your network anyway. Often the client will get best support if you troubleshoot the problem yourself (being familiar with the entire setup) rather than some lame MYOB tech who only knows about the MYOB manuals. Running a Linux server probably just means you get involved a bit earlier in the support process. I'm pretty sure a recent version of samba can pretty much completely emulate an NT 4 file server barring some domain controller functions. Just tell you client to call you first then MYOB second - you should be able to tell the difference between an MYOB problem and a network problem. Hey if they get really stuck, get em to call us :) Thanks, Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
I've got a client that uses MYOB Accountant's Office. It's a multi-user practice managment, time billing, invoicing type program. They're looking at replacing their existing Novell server which is at the end of it's life. I had them sold on the idea of a Linux based server until we discovered this little gem from MYOB's support pages. ** Question Is Accountants Office supported on a Linux Server? Answer No, Linux is not a compatible Network Operating System for Accountants Office because of fundamental incompatibilies in file and record locking within Linux and is therefore not supported under any circumstances. Link: http://myobaustralia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/myobaustralia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=*kRtyb4gp_lva=010130-51p_refno=010130-51p_created=980896579p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1saW51eCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTYmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9OSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGFnZT0xp_li= ** Upon reading this I immediately thought What the !? Lets not worry about all those thousands of businesses sucessfully using Linux as a filesserver, this one program doesn't work with it and of course it's a Linux problem ? Wouldn't be sloppy coding of the program would it by any chance would it? Comments anyone ? -Vince -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Comments anyone ? We have a couple of clients not to mention our own internal systems running myob fine off a file server. I'm sure any samba feature that you have problems with can be configured away anyway. I would not worry at all, if you client needs references from business using MYOB on a samba server get in touch with me I can help :) Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:29:59PM +1100, Vince Meissner wrote: ** Question Is Accountants Office supported on a Linux Server? Answer No, Linux is not a compatible Network Operating System for Accountants Office because of fundamental incompatibilies in file and record locking within Linux and is therefore not supported under any circumstances. Link: http://myobaustralia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/myobaustralia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=*kRtyb4gp_lva=010130-51p_refno=010130-51p_created=980896579p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1saW51eCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTYmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9OSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGFnZT0xp_li= I know nofink about samba, but these two URLs will be a starting point: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:G8S3vmerLUM:lists.sage-au.org.au/pipermail/sage-au/2000-October/017600.html+linux+myob+locking+sambahl=en http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:3HTteHFaeCI:lists.samba.org/pipermail/samba/2001-January/053119.html+linux+myob+lockinghl=en Good luck! -- #ozone/algorithm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - trust.in.love.to.save -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:29:59PM +1100, Vince Meissner wrote: I've got a client that uses MYOB Accountant's Office. It's a multi-user practice managment, time billing, invoicing type program. An Accountant needing a special version of MYOB to run thier own practise? Oooh the irony... =) They're looking at replacing their existing Novell server which is at the end of it's life. I had them sold on the idea of a Linux based server until we discovered this little gem from MYOB's support pages. Upon reading this I immediately thought What the !? Lets not worry about all those thousands of businesses sucessfully using Linux as a filesserver, this one program doesn't work with it and of course it's a Linux problem ? Wouldn't be sloppy coding of the program would it by any chance would it? My guess is this- It is not Samba which is the problem but it is other filesharing systems such as NFS which do not have the needed file/record locking. They probably want to discourage as much cross-platform configurations as possible in order to reduce end-user support costs. It is not very logical that it works with a *OLD* Novell server but not with a newer filesharing OS/protocol. Regards, Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
quote who=David Kempe Comments anyone ? We have a couple of clients not to mention our own internal systems running myob fine off a file server. Not hugely multi-user though. I'm sure any samba feature that you have problems with can be configured away anyway. locking = yes (default) posix locking = yes (default) strict locking = yes (if you're *really* keen) sync always = yes (if you're *really* keen) If pain persists, please read the man page, it's a much better reference than my blabber. ;) I don't really recommend the second two, but they may help if you do hit screwups. - Jeff -- I think we agnostics need a term for a holy war too. I feel all left out. - George Lebl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is not very logical that it works with a *OLD* Novell server but not with a newer filesharing OS/protocol. It is logical, you're just looking at it from the protocol angle, not the destination filesystem management angle. Newness doesn't imply appropriateness. - Jeff -- There's no horse higher, no mailing list taunt lower, no developer base wider. Rock My Software in the Bosom of Debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux not suitable as a fileserver for MYOB ???
Is this MYOB plain or MYOB Premier? I haven't had the chance to try MYOB on a Linux server as the one client of mine who uses MYOB Premier has just ditched me because he wanted to upgrade to a M$ SBS server and I wasn't prepared to recommend it to him. I guess the new consultant will have the chance to fleece him big time for supporting M$. What I have been successful with though is Attache on Linux and they say that that is not supported on Linux, but it works fine. The only caveat is that shitty M$ programs are very non-deterministic about whether they generate file names in upper or lower case. It doesn't matter to M$ but it does matter to Linux. When doing a system compression in Attache this can cause new files to be created with a case that is different from the old files. When Attache next gets run it is non-deterministic about which file it uses, the upper case or the lower case file. As you can imagine this can stuff things up big time. The answer is to make Samba force the case, which is not difficult. I wouldn't mind betting that this sort of problem is why MYOB say that it is not supported on Linux, and that it is not a locking problem at all. All I know, is my client whom I switched his Attache from a M$ server to a Linux server couldn't be happier. On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Vince Meissner wrote: I've got a client that uses MYOB Accountant's Office. It's a multi-user practice managment, time billing, invoicing type program. They're looking at replacing their existing Novell server which is at the end of it's life. I had them sold on the idea of a Linux based server until we discovered this little gem from MYOB's support pages. ** Question Is Accountants Office supported on a Linux Server? Answer No, Linux is not a compatible Network Operating System for Accountants Office because of fundamental incompatibilies in file and record locking within Linux and is therefore not supported under any circumstances. Link: http://myobaustralia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/myobaustralia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=*kRtyb4gp_lva=010130-51p_refno=010130-51p_created=980896579p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTImcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1saW51eCZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTYmcF9wcm9kX2x2bDE9OSZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMj1_YW55fiZwX2NhdF9sdmwxPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGFnZT0xp_li= ** Upon reading this I immediately thought What the !? Lets not worry about all those thousands of businesses sucessfully using Linux as a filesserver, this one program doesn't work with it and of course it's a Linux problem ? Wouldn't be sloppy coding of the program would it by any chance would it? Comments anyone ? -Vince -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com We are either doing something, or we are not. 'Talking about' is a subset of 'not'. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
