Re: [SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of
Jim Hague wrote: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Chesty wrote: Fix some bugs and send patch back to MS? maybe not :) I wrote: Actually, I'd prolly browse some of it when really really bored, looking for programming errors (and finding many) John Wiltshire wrote: My understanding of the hack was: They didn't get NT/9x/Office source. They got "new unreleased projects" (probably .NET stuff by the sound of it). True, but that wasn't the question that Jim posted. If they did get NT source, I really doubt they could find bugs by inspecting the code. Where do you start in 50 million lines of layered calls? Hell, people find bugs in Linux sources that have been there for ages and that source code is looked at all the time. And Chesty mentioned fixing bugs, sending patches. Hypothetically, of course. And in this hypothetical world where I have an Abundance Of Free Time, my head wouldn't explode trying to comprehend the 50 million lines of the combined W2K and O2K sources. And I'd fix the tab stops and the braces to my satisfaction, and scrutinise every line for bugs. ObLinux: Finally getting to write some code for a personal project (even though I don't have the aforementioned AOFT). I'm working on a daemon to drive an mp3stereo jukebox. The plan is for a stripped down system, running basically a kernel with reiserfs and this daemon, plugged into a large disk, cdrom, ethernet and an LCD display. Things that rock: CVS, GNU libreadline, manual sections 2 and 3. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Conrad Parker generated: ps. James, your Mail-Followup-To header is fubar I noticed that... it's happened since i upgraded mutt to 1.2 from 1.0 Anyone got any advice on which .muttrc line to add to get rid of this? (lousy new feature defaults breaking things) Meanwhile, just obey the reply-to field and reply to the list ;) -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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(Tempted not to forward to list as starting to get OT) without problems of copyright/patents (or for that matter, MS employees plenty of people from other companies like Dave Cutler rumour has it that there were indeed problems with DEC and ideas and even source code. Dave Cutler is an ex-VMS person, I believe. There's the rumour that alpha support in NT lasted as long as it did because of this. A couple of Compaq people at dinner after SLUG mentioned how at one stage they were co-operating with MS on the 64 bit port, until they got the impression that MS people wanted more and more generic information about handling 64 bit, rather than targetting the alpha. There have been several furious fights about technical and sales people. One aspect of source code is that the last 10% takes 90% of the time. Hence all the quirks, last minute fixes and horribleisms are a valuable commodity. It is interesting the public reaction to this leak. I sense a great indifference (i.e. in mainstream media response, e.g. SMH). I don't reckon this is due to sophisticated reasoning on the publics / journalists part, but the opposite. Most people have no sense of what source code and binary code means. ObLinux: Microsoft faces a challenge in dealing with Linux. The challenge is cultural. How do they respond to the process that is Free Software? I feel that ignoring, bypassing, won't work. Assimilation won't work on a process, without causing internal change (loss of control from the top). The immediate problems include: * technologically literate people are not regarding MS as having a leadership, or even (to some extent) relevant role. Perhaps C# and .NET are to some extent a response to this. * the base of applications and systems is very narrow. (Office desktop systems). Growth in these areas is hard, and could well contract, especially in dollar terms. * new areas of growth are hard to find without canabalising traditional profit areas, or without introducing seriously incompatabilities with older systems. The Xbox is one attempt, but there is no serious work on an ultra low cost PC (because licensing fees would be the first thing to look at). Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 01:44:11AM +1100, James Wilkinson wrote: ps. James, your Mail-Followup-To header is fubar I noticed that... it's happened since i upgraded mutt to 1.2 from 1.0 Anyone got any advice on which .muttrc line to add to get rid of this? (lousy new feature defaults breaking things) set followup_to=no Read the man page :-) Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, John Clarke generated: set followup_to=no Read the man page :-) ouch :) bitten by my own advice :) anyway, hopefully fixed now cheers. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of
From: James Wilkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, chesty generated: On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:12:12AM +0100, Jim Hague wrote: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Fix some bugs and send patch back to MS? maybe not :) Actually, I'd prolly browse some of it when really really bored, looking for programming errors (and finding many)... "they use _what_ for a character input??... and this buffer has a hardcoded size?" The number of exploits that could be found for W2K given the source. A crax0rs dream. My understanding of the hack was: They didn't get NT/9x/Office source. They got "new unreleased projects" (probably .NET stuff by the sound of it). If they did get NT source, I really doubt they could find bugs by inspecting the code. Where do you start in 50 million lines of layered calls? Hell, people find bugs in Linux sources that have been there for ages and that source code is looked at all the time. I don't even know that anything better than social engineering was used to hack the system - get someone to run an untrusted executable and you're there. Under a non-MS system the 'hack' is exactly the same: get someone to run the untrusted executable and crawl around for .cvsrc files with the passwords in them. Make the assumption that cvs passwords may be the same as other passwords and work from there. Note also the article on /. that any use of this code will probably sink an OSS project. Realistically I'm not so sure that this hack has any real positive benefit of OSS other than embarassing M$ and giving the media something to go nuts about for a while. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] didn't the NSI or CIA or some american government agency put in it some password recovery or stealth software or something a while back? Nope. That was a myth. There was a global variable somewhere called NSAKEY which was a backup for installing a new crypto algorithm (aside from the existing MS key). Basically it allowed you to do *less* to the system than going to MS and asking for their original key would do. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 02:17:23PM +1100, James Wilkinson wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Jim Hague generated: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? import to cvs, build a rudimentary Makefile, tarball it up, upload to sunsite and some warez ftp sitez, announce on freshmeat. (though whether freshmeat allow the announcement cos it isn't linux related...) you might have trouble filling out the "License" field on the announce form ;-) ps. James, your Mail-Followup-To header is fubar -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of
From: Jim Hague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Several hundred universities across the world have the source for W2K. At least a dozen in Australia do (QUT is one, not sure about in Sydney). WTF is the big deal about a couple more people having it? If I had the source, I'd probably go through it to see what good ideas there are in there to use in my own code - same thing I do with the Linux sources. Of course the S/N ratio is probably a big better in the Linux sources. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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John Ferlito [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Microsoft sues you and samba for copyright infringement among a whole heap of other things. Moral: Don't browse non open source code looking for ideas. If it's not open source then you can't use them. Is this really the case? Ideas cannot have a copyright placed on them... they can be patented, though. Surely it's OK to copy a non patented idea. -- :%s/[Ll]inux/GNU\/Linux/g -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Microsoft sues you and samba for copyright infringement among a whole heap of other things. Moral: Don't browse non open source code looking for ideas. If it's not open source then you can't use them. Don't go through Windows code looking for ideas period. It's a safe bet you won't find any, certainly not any good ones. While some hackers may find the idea of fixing Windows' bugs appealing, if Windows is not open source, it does not deserve the benefits of having many eyeballs look at their code. Is this really the case? Ideas cannot have a copyright placed on them... they can be patented, though. Surely it's OK to copy a non patented idea. I think the idea goes something like "you have seen the Windows source code, therefore you may have subconciously used parts of our Intellectual Property Windows source code in your own code". I remember a story about the early days of GNU that programmers were encouraged to forget any ATT or commercial code they may have come into contact with. Some of the GNU programs were optimised for features at the expense of memory whereas most of the ATT stuff was optimised for small memory, IIRC this was suggested by RMS as a way to avoid your code looking like any existing proprietary stuff you may have seen. Stuart. "Starting Java" - the two most feared words on the Internet. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Dean Hamstead wrote: Dean Hampstead wrote: When school is finished in about a month. With a bit of work im sure we could get some interesting things happening, and see a hundred or so machines installed =) Are people interested in volunteering to help do installs? I would be prepared to volunteer in general (provided it did not clash with prior commitments). Ideally a small team per distribution. Although i think the biggens will be RedHat, SUSE, Caldera? and maybe Corel?. Im a big fan of debian too but be realistic about what people want on there first install. Surely the main hindrance to debian as a first introduction to linux is the install itself. If we help someone with the install then administering the system is probably no more difficult than any other distribution. What do other sluggers think? Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 01:19:40PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Jim Hague" MS seem to have been comprehensively hacked - check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993826.stm. What really gets up my inner ear about all this is the way it has been reported. Things such as: "If the biggest software company in the world can be hacked, then what about YOUR computers?" and: "The important source code that may have been taken was for FUTURE products, so the home user can be sure that they are safe from hackers." *THIS* is what we need the Penguinillas for. Not tongue in cheek either - I'm quite serious. The misinformation and terribly uninformed reporting regarding this incident is doing Microsoft (and all it's little parasite companies) a FAVOUR. Sadly, the reality of the last FIVE YEARS of MS's foray into wider networking, the Internet, etc., has not come through at all. On top of that, OUR MESSAGE has not appeared on every television station across the world. Perhaps it's not so great for them now, but once the limelight is gone, they'll have had FREE SPIN with the media, everyone will have acted surprised, and no one will be the WISER. I haven't yet seen what the rest of the Linux community's reaction is, but can we please put something together to send to the newspapers, television stations, etc.? If Microsoft cocks up, we may as well be on TV telling the country about Linux. EE!!! And where does that leave the poor, poor people who have op status on Linux IRC channels (read: me)?? Another 50,000 people joining asking why they can't connect to the net with kppp and a PCI modem? /rant - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's wetter around the edges. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug Steve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of
- Original Message - From: "Ken Caldwell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of Are people interested in volunteering to help do installs? I would be prepared to volunteer in general (provided it did not clash with prior commitments). As would I, on the same condition that it did not collide with any other prior-made plans :) Surely the main hindrance to debian as a first introduction to linux is the install itself. If we help someone with the install then administering the system is probably no more difficult than any other distribution. What do other sluggers think? I'm also a relative Linux newbie (been using it for the last month), and I decided to go with Debian straight off. Yes, it can be a bitch to set up, but once you manage to do so, you find that you've learned a hell of a lot. But I agree that we have to be realistic about what other people want. For example, I'm a student at UNSW and also a member of Compsoc (the UNSW Computing Society), and we provide Linux support everyday for anyone who needs help, and we get the question about which Linux would be best for first-time users. We also sell Linux CDs (at this point in time, Redhat 6.2 and Debian 2.1), and if people were to ask us which one would be better for a first-time user, we would say Redhat (because of the relatively easy install). In the end though, it is up to the user which distro he/she decides to use, and in any case, we should be prepared. Just my two cents worth, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] MS goes Open Source - sort of
MS seem to have been comprehensively hacked - check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993826.stm. It seems (according to BBC WSJ) that passwords to machines holding MS source have been quietly emailed to an address in St Petersburg (as in Leningrad/Petrograd) for the last 3 *months*. MS currently frantically trying to see if any little 'mods' have been made to their source base in that time. No sniggering at the back. Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? -- Jim Hague - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Play) Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Hrrrm. doesn't American law say something like "if something has been placed in a publically accewsible place, then no part of it is a trade secret, and the company has no legal recourse if someone else then uses that "secret"." That was certainly the argument used wrt the m$ Kerberos extensions when they were posted on /. Just a few more quick thoughts. Breaks up the cursing of Sun that I'd be doing otherwise... -Thom At some point around Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:12:12AM +0100, Jim Hague said: MS seem to have been comprehensively hacked - check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993826.stm. It seems (according to BBC WSJ) that passwords to machines holding MS source have been quietly emailed to an address in St Petersburg (as in Leningrad/Petrograd) for the last 3 *months*. MS currently frantically trying to see if any little 'mods' have been made to their source base in that time. No sniggering at the back. Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? -- Jim Hague - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Play) Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Thomas May Sys Admin, AMX Communications (T) +44 (0)20 7440 3955 (E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (W) http://www.amxstudios.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Jim Hague wrote: It seems (according to BBC WSJ) that passwords to machines holding MS source have been quietly emailed to an address in St Petersburg (as in Leningrad/Petrograd) for the last 3 *months*. MS currently frantically trying to see if any little 'mods' have been made to their source base in that time. ROTFLWG: It had to happen sometime. Non-sequitors from the report: 1. "Microsoft is moving aggressively to isolate the problem and to secure our corporate network" - company spokesman Rick Miller "We are confident that the integrity ... " - same "We're still trying to figure out how it happened" -same NS: still figuring it out *and* securing the network 2. "This is a deplorable act of industrial espionage and we will work to protect our intellectual property," -same "[We are] making sure hackers could [can] not use the stolen source code to change commercial software used by businesses, governments and consumers." - Microsoft NS: MS doesn't know what has really happened but they can secure The Source No sniggering at the back. It's of little consequence. The thieves are hardly going to make the source code they stole into Open Source. Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Nothing. It's a rat's nest. -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "If talk is cheap how do entrepreneurs make money?" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Jim Hague wrote: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? I doubt I'd have enough free hard drive space to store it. Win2K is, what - 50 million lines of code by now? More? DaZZa - who really needs to buy a new hard drive or two. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:12:12AM +0100, Jim Hague wrote: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Fix some bugs and send patch back to MS? maybe not :) Useless stuff I recently discovered. I copied and modified this from the ldbc thread a while back, its a procmail thing in case it isn't obvious. Stick it before any other slug lines. :0c * ^TOslug | esdplay /usr/share/sounds/gnibbles/appear.wav it plays a short, soft sound when ever I get slug mail. It sounds rather interesting when I first dialup and fetch a whole bunch of slug messages at once. Its a bit wrong though, I think it pipes the message to esdplay, but that doesn't seem to affect anything. Which gives me another idea: :0c * ^TOslug | esdcat -r 999 Listen to slug :) -- chesty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Hmmm A number of ideas come to mind; 1. Paper the walls of the den 2. Refurbish the budgie's cage floor 3. Use the printouts for the athletes ticker-tape parade... Bugger, we missed this one.. 4. Start a really REALLY BIG fire !! OK - it's late... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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No=one is going to make this Open Source, but what would be interesting is if the miscreants concerned actually ANALYSED the code and posted all the hacks / bugs / etc they could find... Several large red (and unemployed) faces at M$. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No=one is going to make this Open Source, Why not? There's still a 'Warez' scene in existance. I would think it would be heavily distributed 'underground' and surface all over the place. Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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didn't the NSI or CIA or some american government agency put in it some password recovery or stealth software or something a while back? Just show everyone where it is and how to patch it so that it doesnt work. then a MS service pack would try to fix it then the'd un-patch it etc... i liked the birdcage floor... made me laugh for a while ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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quote who="Jim Hague" MS seem to have been comprehensively hacked - check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993826.stm. What really gets up my inner ear about all this is the way it has been reported. Things such as: "If the biggest software company in the world can be hacked, then what about YOUR computers?" and: "The important source code that may have been taken was for FUTURE products, so the home user can be sure that they are safe from hackers." *THIS* is what we need the Penguinillas for. Not tongue in cheek either - I'm quite serious. The misinformation and terribly uninformed reporting regarding this incident is doing Microsoft (and all it's little parasite companies) a FAVOUR. Sadly, the reality of the last FIVE YEARS of MS's foray into wider networking, the Internet, etc., has not come through at all. On top of that, OUR MESSAGE has not appeared on every television station across the world. Perhaps it's not so great for them now, but once the limelight is gone, they'll have had FREE SPIN with the media, everyone will have acted surprised, and no one will be the WISER. I haven't yet seen what the rest of the Linux community's reaction is, but can we please put something together to send to the newspapers, television stations, etc.? If Microsoft cocks up, we may as well be on TV telling the country about Linux. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- We're kind of like Canada, only we hate ourselves more, and it's wetter around the edges. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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I haven't yet seen what the rest of the Linux community's reaction is, but can we please put something together to send to the newspapers, television stations, etc.? In regards to publicity in general, how much free publicity is slug making use of? are media releases going to newspapers and stuff around sydney? Most local papers have a community calendar that will put in just about anything for free, and i can imagine most papers would be happy to run a story(s) on the various fests slug runs. /me gabbles more Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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quote who="Dean Hamstead" In regards to publicity in general, how much free publicity is slug making use of? are media releases going to newspapers and stuff around sydney? Good point - we haven't subscribed anyone to our announce list without their knowledge, but there are times when we should be, erm, "spamming" far and wide. We have a list of contacts that we've just recently put together to mail our big things to (fests, etc.), so I'll definitely keep it in mind for our next few things. [ We have a small problem with our 'normal' fests, in that most of them are designed, or at least planned to be small. If you want to organise the next fest and make it BIG, go for it! We had a small problem with the Installfest last time, because no one wanted to come forward to coordinate it. It's not too much work, but it's a crucial job to make sure everything's done right. Thanks Dean! :) ] - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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[ We have a small problem with our 'normal' fests, in that most of them are designed, or at least planned to be small. If you want to organise the next fest and make it BIG, go for it! We had a small problem with the Installfest last time, because no one wanted to come forward to coordinate it. It's not too much work, but it's a crucial job to make sure everything's done right. Thanks Dean! :) ] When school is finished in about a month. With a bit of work im sure we could get some interesting things happening, and see a hundred or so machines installed =) Are people interested in volunteering to help do installs? Ideally a small team per distribution. Although i think the biggens will be RedHat, SUSE, Caldera? and maybe Corel?. Im a big fan of debian too but be realistic about what people want on there first install. Each team should ideally have a well battle hardened leader, and a mix of skilled people. I dont think many people will be bringing in anything but x86's... but im yet to go to an install fest. Thats my thoughts... I can probably arrange for a few 10/100 switches also, but im sure most people can =) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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quote who="Dean Hamstead" When school is finished in about a month. With a bit of work im sure we could get some interesting things happening, and see a hundred or so machines installed =) Okay - glad you're keen! :) Our next fest is the Network/Security fest which David Kempe has kindly offered to coordinate, but there are others we'd loved to have run if only there were people to put the time in. December, January and February are kind of out in terms of fests... December for a SLUG party (ask Conrad), and January because linux.conf.au is on and you'll already be partying if you have any sense! ;) February we're thinking of doing a Code/HackFest, which will be interesting. So it'll probably be March before we have another Fest... If you have any ideas about topics to cover, etc., throw them at the committee. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Jim Hague generated: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? import to cvs, build a rudimentary Makefile, tarball it up, upload to sunsite and some warez ftp sitez, announce on freshmeat. (though whether freshmeat allow the announcement cos it isn't linux related...) -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, chesty generated: On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:12:12AM +0100, Jim Hague wrote: Today's food for thought. You have obtained the entire source for, say, W2k and O2k. What do you do with it? Fix some bugs and send patch back to MS? maybe not :) Actually, I'd prolly browse some of it when really really bored, looking for programming errors (and finding many)... "they use _what_ for a character input??... and this buffer has a hardcoded size?" The number of exploits that could be found for W2K given the source. A crax0rs dream. -- Sure, I subscribe to USENET, but I only get it for the articles. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
