Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
hi slugs, good story at the following link. raises some interesting points. http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/7515.html ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy said: For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: "We can build a better product than Linux." I was going to say something about this, but User Friendly did it better. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010216mode=classic -- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using (o_ ' Windows NT for mission-critical applications." //\ -- What Yoda *meant* to say, Devin L. Ganger, scary.devil.monastery v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Latest from the "reverse the FUD sideways up America's backsides and they won't notice" department, oops, sorry, latest from Mickeysoft: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. "Now we can see the insanity inherent in the system." - apologies to M Python and the Holy Grail -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Roiled by being a crash test dummy over Microsoft? Degusteban Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
his name says it all..ALL CHIN. Wylie Edwards Senior Technician Central Gippsland Health Service Guthridge Pde SALE VIC 3850 Ph: +61 3 5143 8493 Fax : +61 3 5143 8439 Mobile : 0409 854 686 ICQ : 6309168 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Welykochy Sent: Friday, 16 February 2001 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation Latest from the "reverse the FUD sideways up America's backsides and they won't notice" department, oops, sorry, latest from Mickeysoft: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. "Now we can see the insanity inherent in the system." - apologies to M Python and the Holy Grail -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited "Roiled by being a crash test dummy over Microsoft? Degusteban Linux" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer What an oxymoric pair of statements. From everything we see, intellectual-property laws and the like are what stifle inovation. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
You missed the best part Rick Mr Allchin has declared that M$ now provides FREE Support for their products. "Microsoft provides support to change and develop products based on its operating system software that Linux companies don't, he said. Companies that use Linux in their products then must pay someone else for support, he said." although, on second reading maybe what he is really saing is that M$ are worried that.. "Companies that use Linux in their products then must pay someone else ( NOT MICROSOFT ) " Cheers John Rick Welykochy wrote: http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html For the browserless and the lazy, Allchin [M$ O/S chief] said: -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Hopefully, his lower intestine will strangle his brain in an effort to save humanity. de Zwart. Around about 1142h 16/02/2001, Rick Welykochy emitted the following wisdom: These are the words of one damn worried high flying MS executive. They border on hysteria, pychosis and a total reality disconnect. I hope Allchin keeps up with his rantings, the more the better. Sadly he'll have to be committed one day when it all gets too painful and his free-floating anxiety attacks strangle his brain at the medulla oblongata on upwards to his skull cap. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer No, Open Source is just intellectual-property people have chosen to give away. MS can still sell its slop. If it was say... removing patents then it would be an "intellectual-property destroyer". (*) I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business As opposed to NT server and application pricing? (*) The result will be the demise of both intellectual property rights and the incentive to spend on research and development MS only cares because they cant buy it. and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. And i dont call a 1 hour wait and then being told to reinstall windows "support" or any kind. www.linuxdocs.org is support ;) Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
What M$ need to do is get Office, FrontPage, etc (all their crappy, but POPULAR applications) ported to Linux as commercial apps (not necessarily GPL'd) if they want to make money Oh God, I just realised what I said - a Linux version of Outlook... AARRRGG! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
This one time, at band camp, Rick Welykochy said: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. It scares me that so-called reputable news sources publish opinions under the guise of fact so regularly. -- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using (o_ ' Windows NT for mission-critical applications." //\ -- What Yoda *meant* to say, Devin L. Ganger, scary.devil.monastery v_/_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote: (*) he's concerned that the open-source business model could stifle initiative in the computer industry. (*) Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer No, Open Source is just intellectual-property people have chosen to give away. MS can still sell its slop. If it was say... removing patents then it would be an "intellectual-property destroyer". I think there are deeper issues here, and this type of attack is likely to grow more serious as linux gains in popularity. Most developing nations (including many of those who are now developed) ignore IP, as they can't afford it. Developed nations, on the other hand, try to force the developing to pay for IP. Look at the US-China relationship as a case study, where China's adherence to IP and other status preserving trade rules is the key requirement for close bilateral trade, not their human rights record. As free software becomes a paradigm that competes more and more closely with commercial software, it will be very attractive to those to whom paying for IP at inflated prices is a substantial burden. This does threaten those countries that rely on being the "owners" of IP as a substantial plank of economic dominance. A campaign to explain this to politicians in Washington, especially a campaign run by big campaign contributors, would not sound quite so crazy to them as it does to us. Especially if it is put to them in dollars, as in "the replacement of commercial software with free software worldwide would cost $insert big poorly justified number here to the American trade balance per year". That's exactly the type of argument used to persuade politicians to vote for the laws that enforce IP rules in the music industry. At this stage it's hard to see exactly how you could move to control free software. But at a time when via such excesses as the DCMA governments are moving to strengthen IP to an insane level, it would be foolish to think it can't ever happen. What suprises me is how long it's taken to happen. (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. It does sound a lot like cold war propaganda, but cold war propaganda is among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. cheers, Martin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
(*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. Sounds like cold-war propaganda. Lol. MS are really peeing their pants at the moment. Its quite obvious that Linux is rocking their boat. It does sound a lot like cold war propaganda, but cold war propaganda is among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. Americans are generally alot more patriotic that Australians. Which is a little od when you first come across it. Im not going to get into the whole 'australian' attitude thing. Dean -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Hmmm... yet another reason to use Linux. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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The same america that doesnt export strong encryption. Dean Raoul Golan wrote: Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Hmmm... yet another reason to use Linux. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Not so bad really. At least with Linux you could nobble the email BEFORE it reaches OE. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates http://lannetlinux.com "...well, it worked before _you_ touched it!" On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What M$ need to do is get Office, FrontPage, etc (all their crappy, but POPULAR applications) ported to Linux as commercial apps (not necessarily GPL'd) if they want to make money Oh God, I just realised what I said - a Linux version of Outlook... AARRRGG! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
and the winner is: (*) I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. Did you know Open Source is the american way ? What is more feircly competitive than competeing open source projects. I would cite te animosity between KDE and GNOME developers as a prime example. Well at least perceived animosity. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
among the most successful that has ever been. I think Australian's find that "American Way" stuff really wierd sounding, but I bet it sounds quite patriotic and honourable to many Americans. What would you expect from a nation that gave us, nuclear weapons, mcdonalds and vanilla ice ;) Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
Jason Rennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason On the other hand, capitalism is about making money, and so is Microsoft. Communism is about sharing resources instead of hoarding private property, and so is open source. As you can see, there are two ways of looking at this issue, and neither of them is particularly enlightening. This linux is communism/linux is capitalism thing has been done to death elsewhere... and nothing can be inferred from the arguments except that people love a good flame war. -- :%s/[Ll]inux/GNU\/Linux/g -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
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In communism everything is owned by the state, then is given out as needed. Sounds like MS. They buy everything, then let you have it in restricted user license packages. The only difference is Russia made lots of cool stuff and achieved alot of cool things, auto-play is just annoying ;) Dean Jason Rennie wrote: Damn those Open Source Communists, they're a threat to true red-blooded Americans. Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. Jason -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
quote who="Jason Rennie" Dont you hate this allusion. Especially, given that communism is 1 one that controls everything and decides what is best for the masses. *sigh* Autocracy, yes. Oligarchy, maybe. Communism, no. Which is much more redmond (maybe they built there becasue of the red connotations) than the linux way. You aren't questioning whether the forgone conclusion that 'communism is a bad thing' is true. There are strongly communistic values in the Free Software and Open Source communities, and strongly Libertarian ones. Fascinatingly enough, there are enough greys to go around too. I'm very happy to say that Free Software appeals to me on a technical level, as well as a strong left wing political level. They're the only reasons why I came back to computers. :) Let's discuss this on slug-chat, eh? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- "A rest with a fermata is the moral opposite of the fast food restaurant with express lane." - James Gleick, Faster -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Executive Says Linux Threatens Innovation
A little closer to home they are claiming that "Business Runs Better on M$". And are about to spend $$M. to preach that in the media. The preachings of Chairman ??? - perhaps they could publish them on a little red PDA. http://www.microsoft.com/australia/directaccess/agilityresources.asp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
