Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote: I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for GnomeMeeting's video. Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture' flag? Hmm I was sure I did, but perhaps with all the fiddling around, I didn't quite get the right combinations :( Audio is now working, but video is not. I can get video from my webcam using Camorama, so all is plugged in correctly. GnomeMeeting gives no Video Plugin options, so presumably that's the problem, but what to do about it? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
quote who=David Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is just slightly easier. If you download the Preview CD, as opposed to a recent nightly CD, a huge chunk of the packages would have been updated. Some definitely came from the CD, but it still would have been a big download. :-) 1: Windows. I had WinME and debian already installed. During the disk partition phase Ubuntu asked if I wanted to be able to boot from Windows, but after installation completed, grub wasn't reporting any options for Windows. I've not had to deal with this before, since both Woody and Sarge Just worked ;-) See point 6 below. Intriguing, this should just work. 2: Screensaver. When you (initially?) set the screensaver, you have to reboot the daemon, which is not explained. I figured it out by fiddling around. Nit-picking? I don't think so because Ubuntu claims that everything will just work. All that's needed is an Apply button. xscreensaver is an unfortunate exception to pretty much any GNOME rule you could think of, though only some of the options require a daemon restart. 3: Hot plugging cameras. My Nikon hot plugged beautifully, but as explained at the slug meeting, you can't upload anything from the inbuilt software because of a known bug. OTOH, I can use the camera as a removeable USB device and it works fine. I tried to umount it, but it was reported as in use. No obvious processes using it, so i just switched it off. I still don't know why it appeared to be in use. Unfortunately, the file monitor daemon (fam) that ships with WartyWarthog is annoyingly broken in this respect. Because the device is mounted 'sync', you can just pull it out, but the new file monitor daemon (and kernel features) in HoaryHedgehog will solve this. 4: Gnomemeeting. Page 7/9 of the configuration druid asks me to choose a video manager, and suggests video4linux. Video4Linux is not available in the drop down menu (in fact, nothing is!). There are some Video4Linux libraries installed by default, but I have no idea if these are what is required. There is no obvious way to configure them into Gnomemeeting. I had a logitech webcam plugged in when booting, which appeared to be detected, and which works under windows. Right now I don't have GnomeMeeting working :( Which model camera? 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like Mahler. Now I have to get Grub to notice Windows to make sure it's not a hardware fault. Damn it. I hate this problem. So, modern computers don't have an audio cable running from the CD drive to the sound card. They actually have to digitally 'rip' the audio off the disc to play it, *exactly* the same way an mp3/ogg ripper would do. It's infuriating. But - it will be sorted in the next release. :) 6: Grub. A little digging revealed a hidden-menu option for grub, which for some bizarre reason had been set. Hold down ESC while grub loads and voila! but since I obviously want to be able to boot Windows, this is a failure of the just works principle. Agree, if you've got more than just Windows, it should probably not do that. I'll confer with Colin, our installer guy. ;-) 9: Application Menu. Hmm.. well, maybe it's me, but... . I wanted to add an application to the menu.. which I haven't done before because I have never used Gnome. The help menu has no search function! Eventually I figured out how to add a program to the menu, but it's counter-intuitive and complicated. Indeed. Not something GNOME has attempted to fix, because it's horribly ugly code down there. I believe this will be sorted in GNOME 2.10 (and thus our next release). 10: File Manager. Perhaps a small point, but confusing. The on-line docs for Gnome refer extensively to file manager, but nowhere in the Ubuntu desktop menus is anything that says file manager. Now that I know what they mean it's blindingly obvious, but it took quit a while to figure it out. Is this because I'm a mac user? :-) It's a promising start, but not as good as OS X, especially for a non-geek. Patience. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ Are you XFire's crazy girlfriend? And if so, shine on you crazy diamond! - Paul Cameron -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David wrote: If someone can help me with Video4Linux/GnomeMeeting and the sound issue, I would appreciate it. Thanks very much for the report. I can't help you with the sound but about the camera - I had it working well after installing debian's qc-usb-source and qc-usb-utils modules and compiling the module. It's turned out that the bug is known and relates to GnomeMeeting. The fix has made things worse :( but I'm sure it will get sorted. The camera is a logitech webcam and works fine in other apps. What kind of sound hardware do you have there? The alsa-users mailing list was extremly responsive and helpful when I tried to make ALSA work for me. You might want to try there (and dig the alsa-project.org web site). The card is a Maestro3. It was turned off by default (!) although the desktop icon showed sound levels at maximum. Right click on the icon and play with mixers got it all working. Nothing serious, but definitely annoying. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:54:24 +1000 (EST), David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is just slightly easier. This is normal... the base install CD contains just enough to install the system and then reboot. After the reboot it then uses external sources... or atleast did for my install I just did now on a vmware hosted session. The install for me is just completing.. see how it runs once the packages all complete the install phase. - Michael Fox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Wed 28/9, David wrote: 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like Mahler. This is totally unacceptable. If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war. MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :( A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das Lied von der Erde. David x22707 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote: On Wed 28/9, David wrote: 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like Mahler. This is totally unacceptable. If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war. MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :( A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das Lied von der Erde. damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
david == david [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: david On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote: On Wed 28/9, David wrote: 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like Mahler. This is totally unacceptable. If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war. MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :( A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das Lied von der Erde. david damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? david didn't get any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :( -- SLUG - I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero. Then you can Lizten to your heart's content. -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au The technical we do immediately, the political takes *forever* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
David Fisher wrote: On Wed 28/9, David wrote: 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like Mahler. This is totally unacceptable. If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war. MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :( A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das Lied von der Erde. I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-) Mike -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1725 Fx: 9514 1460 -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
Mike Lake wrote: I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-) Not to mention Joaquin Rodrigo's eye for fashion;-) David x22707 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
quote who=Peter Chubb I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero. Then you can Lizten to your heart's content. That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound card). Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the freeze date. Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD channel is turned down in your mixer :) J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ENOSIG -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote: damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :( David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what hardware are you running this on? -- Debian Hint #2: You can use 'dpkg-reconfigure ' to change the answers you gave to the questions asked when you first installed a package. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=Peter Chubb I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero. Then you can Lizten to your heart's content. That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound card). Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the freeze date. Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD channel is turned down in your mixer :) Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin. I fired up alsamixer and fiddled with levels and toggles till sound came out. Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails the Just Works test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would have no hope. I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for GnomeMeeting's video. David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Craige McWhirter wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote: damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :( David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what hardware are you running this on? Dell Inspiron 4000, sound card is ESS Maestro3 Sound now works after fiddling with alsamixer levels and toggles, but desktop icon now doesn't do anything. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness
quote who=David On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote: That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound card). Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the freeze date. Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD channel is turned down in your mixer :) Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin. OK - you have the audio cable between your CD player and the sound card then :) Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails the Just Works test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would have no hope. That's a bit strange, I'm not sure what's going on there. I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for GnomeMeeting's video. Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture' flag? J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pants Pants Pants Pants Pants Pants Pants Pants. Lovely Pants, wonderful Pa-ants. Lovely Pants, wonderful Pa-ants. (Shut up! Bloody Vikings.) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
