[SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu CDs (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save bandwidth. I couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; in the end I did clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, how a newbie would be supposed to do it. I tried doing it the GUI way - adding the CD via "Software Sources", then upgrading via "Update Manager" I tried doing it via the shell - various combinations of `apt cd-rom add`, `apt-get update`, `apt-get upgrade`, `apt-get dist-upgrade`, editing /etc/apt/sources.list. The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should I have used the Alternate CDs instead? -- Sonia Hamilton. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
2 Ways you can do that : Mount the ISO as a drive with a command like: sudo mount -o loop ~/Desktop/ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso /media/cdrom0 or gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" Regards, Harrison. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: > > Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu CDs > (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save bandwidth. I > couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; in the end I did > clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. > > I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, how a > newbie would be supposed to do it. > > I tried doing it the GUI way - adding the CD via "Software Sources", then > upgrading via "Update Manager" > > I tried doing it via the shell - various combinations of `apt cd-rom add`, > `apt-get update`, `apt-get upgrade`, `apt-get dist-upgrade`, editing > /etc/apt/sources.list. > > The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should I > have used the Alternate CDs instead? > > -- > Sonia Hamilton. > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go on the next upgrade I do. But going back to the second part of my question, how would a non-technical user do it? For example, here's a hypothetical use case for a 3rd world country I've worked in: "Juan-Carlos has been using Ubuntu for 12 months, and now wants to upgrade because he's heard that Network Manager will solve some networking issues he's having. He is currently sharing an expensive satellite link with several neighbours, and downloading 1G of files to upgrade is out of the question. He travels by bus into the district capital, and downloads and burns the next Ubuntu iso at an internet cafe. Upon getting home, he tries to upgrade using the CD but none of the menu items cause the files on the CD to be used. In disgust, he let's his neighbour reinstall a pirate copy of Window$ XP SP2 and solves his network problems". (It's Guatemala, and "privatise everything" has done wonders for the cost of utilities). Sonia Hamilton. Blindraven wrote: 2 Ways you can do that : Mount the ISO as a drive with a command like: sudo mount -o loop ~/Desktop/ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso /media/cdrom0 or gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" Regards, Harrison. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu CDs (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save bandwidth. I couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; in the end I did clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, how a newbie would be supposed to do it. I tried doing it the GUI way - adding the CD via "Software Sources", then upgrading via "Update Manager" I tried doing it via the shell - various combinations of `apt cd-rom add`, `apt-get update`, `apt-get upgrade`, `apt-get dist-upgrade`, editing /etc/apt/sources.list. The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should I have used the Alternate CDs instead? -- Sonia Hamilton. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Sonia Hamilton wrote: > The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should I > have used the Alternate CDs instead? Haven't tried it but http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ should work with a dist-upgrade -- Harrison Conlin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
> Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu > CDs (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save > bandwidth. I couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; > in the end I did clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. > > I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, > how a newbie would be supposed to do it. 8< ... snip ... 8< > The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should > I have used the Alternate CDs instead? Yes, stick an alternate CD in the drive and a dialogue will pop up asking if you'd like to use it as a source (and then upgrade). (It's not always massively useful for folks with lots of bandwidth, since you're likely to have extra stuff not represented on the install CD... But in the case of a basic Ubuntu machine installed in the field, it's pretty good. Also consider the use of a DVD image if you want the whole archive available.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
> > > > Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu > > CDs (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save > > bandwidth. I couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; > > in the end I did clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. > > > > I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, > > how a newbie would be supposed to do it. > > 8< ... snip ... 8< > > > The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should > > I have used the Alternate CDs instead? > > Yes, stick an alternate CD in the drive and a dialogue will pop up asking > if you'd like to use it as a source (and then upgrade). Salient point that I managed to skip: The alternate CD has packages on it, while the Live CD is just a great big compressed image of a filesystem... so it won't help with upgrades at all (yet [1]). - Jeff [1] Years ago there was some inspired brainstorming about ways to do this very cleverly, but I don't imagine it's on the agenda at the moment. Net connected upgrades are just so bloody convenient and simple (and ALL of the developers have fantastic net connections, of course). -- linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZ http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/ "It is not enough for me to wear dark sunglasses and a wig. The wheelchair gives me away. People want to be photographed with me, but it can be a nuisance when I am in a hurry." - Stephen Hawking on celebrity -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] upgrading Ubuntu with CDs to save bandwidth?
Thanks everyone. I didn't realise the difference in the layout of the live and alt cd. I'll also check out aptoncd for future uses. Sonia Hamilton. Jeff Waugh wrote: Last night I was trying to upgrade some Ubuntu machines using the Ubuntu CDs (rather than downloading all the packages), in order to save bandwidth. I couldn't get the upgrade to download packages off the CD; in the end I did clean installs - no big deal since /home was separate. I'm just wondering how you're supposed to do it, and more importantly, how a newbie would be supposed to do it. 8< ... snip ... 8< The only thing I can think of is that I was using the Live CDs - should I have used the Alternate CDs instead? Yes, stick an alternate CD in the drive and a dialogue will pop up asking if you'd like to use it as a source (and then upgrade). Salient point that I managed to skip: The alternate CD has packages on it, while the Live CD is just a great big compressed image of a filesystem... so it won't help with upgrades at all (yet [1]). - Jeff [1] Years ago there was some inspired brainstorming about ways to do this very cleverly, but I don't imagine it's on the agenda at the moment. Net connected upgrades are just so bloody convenient and simple (and ALL of the developers have fantastic net connections, of course). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
