Re: [Debian/FSO] openmoko-panel-plugin: inflexibility in events processing
using ms4 and if I was a granny and hit a power button I'd think I just switched off the phone, not suspend. If I hit it again I'd think that I'd powered it on again, not resume. a grannie would be able to kill herself with a spoon ... everything above a kitchen knive requires understanding how the device works, which means reading soem kind of documentation before use -- if the device does not work as expected, it's usually a matter of pebkac. especially for a device with so limited a number of physical input elements it should be perfectly clear to any user that the two buttons have more than a simple on/off function but a broad number depending upon the situation. it might be an option (as usual) to make the behaviour of the pwr button configurable: a) do only on/off b) do suspend/resume and on/off c) expose a menu to select the desired action a) would be for what you call grannies b) for those preferring fast and minmal inavise action c) for the rest focusing solely on the (imho hardly likely) group of grannies would ostracize the number of users willing to use and looking for a more advanced device not tied up in the conventional paradigms of user interaction. building smartphones for grannies is a task a lot of companies aspire -- and i doupt openmoko would be able to survive! have a look at palm: they basically abandoned palmos in favour of wince -- and their phones a re to expansive and too bad to cope with stuff from htc or so, they left their niche and found no other ... ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: how to enable file system check
On 26/11/08 11:56, Moritz Lennert wrote: Hello, Since this morning, my FR won't boot because of errors reading inode blocks. The boot procedure enters into a long repetitive list of such errors and then stops for 5 minutes due to Id 1 respawning to fast. I see a message that the file system is mounted unchecked. ISTR reading somewhere that this was to happen when the FR is on battery, but that it shouldn't be when on usb or power cable. However, it also happens when I connect it to a power source. Any hint of how I could solve this ? Solved it by booting from flash and running fsck.ext2. Moritz ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
how to enable file system check
Hello, Since this morning, my FR won't boot because of errors reading inode blocks. The boot procedure enters into a long repetitive list of such errors and then stops for 5 minutes due to Id 1 respawning to fast. I see a message that the file system is mounted unchecked. ISTR reading somewhere that this was to happen when the FR is on battery, but that it shouldn't be when on usb or power cable. However, it also happens when I connect it to a power source. Any hint of how I could solve this ? Moritz ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: After several successful reads MiscChannel is stuck (and i'm unable to see new SMSs)
Hi, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NB: I'm trying to produce some bugreports that can actually help to debug the issues i'm facing. If i'm doing it wrong, please, suggest how should i do it better. Looking good so far, thanks! Thank you for working on it! BTW, you should like my ticket about SimReady ;) So, the request of my large phonebook from sim timed out though the ... I'm still using frameworkd debian version 0.8.4.3-20081118-2. Should i open a ticket? Please do and also include the complete log. It doesn't look as if the reply takes too long since your log indicates that the command completed at 2 seconds past, but the timeout fires at 10 seconds past. I hope the complete log will be more conclusive. Did. Sorry for the confusion. I thought that timeout is irrelevant and skipped the first part of the reply. I hope the new cut will be better. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Zhone with trayer on debian
Hi, Im using Debian/windowmaker with fso4 packages. I start trayer and most applications, like xchat, vagalume register an icon on it, but zhone doesn't. Is there any way to register zhone with trayer or is a code-related issue? best regards. -- Juan Cañete Azorín hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 ... Powered by Linux signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Zhone with trayer on debian
Juan Cañete, 2008-11-26 12:54:54 -0500 : Hi, Im using Debian/windowmaker with fso4 packages. I start trayer and most applications, like xchat, vagalume register an icon on it, but zhone doesn't. Is there any way to register zhone with trayer or is a code-related issue? As far as I know, trayer is just a system tray, not a task list. Xchat registers an icon on it, because it's programmed this way, but since Zhone focuses on getting the features working and not so much on the UI I guess there's little need for a tray icon for it. What would such an icon do that openmoko-panel-plugin doesn't already do? Roland. -- Roland Mas La menace de la baffe pèse plus lourd que la baffe elle-même. -- in Sri Raoul le petit yogi (Gaudelette) ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Status of Debian Build
1.)Is the Debian release able to provide a phone that has the basic functions (SMS, telephony, email) without needing to spend a week getting it to work. install zhone (in fact, the installer will do it for you) and you're good. 2.)Will there be a Debian release for the Openmoko that includes all the basic functions. If so what sort of time frame is anticipated for this. there will be no release for openmoko -- there's no release for dell or thinkpad or whatever. the general part is handled by armel packages, the phone specific by fso-framework. i use it for weeks now with debian and it's ok. ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
[PATCH] Zhone: show the name from the phonebook during call
Hi,
I'm not sure whether you prefer this kind of patches here or on the
Trac. Please let me know if opening a ticket is more convenient for
you.
From 183e270a159b3d33a019f83761ecb518ee7122a7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Paul Fertser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:03:41 +0300
Subject: [PATCH] Show the name from the phonebook (in addition to the number) during call
diff --git a/data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc b/data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc
index 880bf3e..08c7dd9 100644
--- a/data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc
+++ b/data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc
@@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ parts {
to: swallow_main;
}
rel2 {
-relative: 1.0 0.4;
+relative: 1.0 0.6;
offset: -1 -1;
to: swallow_main;
}
@@ -60,6 +60,32 @@ parts {
to: label_background;
}
rel2 {
+relative: 1.0 0.5;
+offset: -1 -1;
+to: label_background;
+}
+text {
+font: FONT_NAME;
+size: 1;
+fit: 1 1;
+align: 0.0 0.5;
+}
+}
+}
+part {
+name: sublabel;
+type: TEXT;
+effect: SOFT_OUTLINE;
+mouse_events: 0;
+clip_to: swallow_clip;
+description {
+state: default 0.0;
+rel1 {
+relative: 0.0 0.5;
+offset: 0 0;
+to: label_background;
+}
+rel2 {
relative: 1.0 1.0;
offset: -1 -1;
to: label_background;
diff --git a/src/zhone b/src/zhone
index f26f0aa..0bc26e7 100755
--- a/src/zhone
+++ b/src/zhone
@@ -216,7 +216,9 @@ class pyphone_call(edje_group):
self.call = id
self.update_status(status)
try:
-self.part_text_set( label, properties[ peer ] )
+self.part_text_set( label, self.main.groups[contacts].tryNumberToName( properties[ peer ] ) )
+self.part_text_set( sublabel, properties[ peer ] )
+
except KeyError:
pass
--
1.5.2.2
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Re: Status of Debian Build
arne anka, 2008-11-26 19:50:11 +0100 : i use it for weeks now with debian and it's ok. Do you suspend a lot? I'm getting the WSOD rather too often on wakeup (once yesterday, and thrice today)... Roland. -- Roland Mas Despite rumour, Death isn't cruel - merely terribly, terribly good at his job. -- in Sourcery (Terry Pratchett) ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Zhone with trayer on debian
El Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:35:53 +0100 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: Juan Cañete, 2008-11-26 12:54:54 -0500 : Hi, Im using Debian/windowmaker with fso4 packages. I start trayer and most applications, like xchat, vagalume register an icon on it, but zhone doesn't. Is there any way to register zhone with trayer or is a code-related issue? As far as I know, trayer is just a system tray, not a task list. Xchat registers an icon on it, because it's programmed this way, but since Zhone focuses on getting the features working and not so much on the UI I guess there's little need for a tray icon for it. What would such an icon do that openmoko-panel-plugin doesn't already do? Roland. Hi, Because if zhone had an icon on the trayer the app could be started without ocupying space on the desktop, even without the minimize icon (in windowmaker in my case). best regards. -- Juan Cañete Azorín hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95 ... Powered by Linux signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Status of Debian Build
Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you suspend a lot? I'm getting the WSOD rather too often on wakeup (once yesterday, and thrice today)... Does adding sleep 4 before and after apm -s help? ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [PATCH] Zhone: show the name from the phonebook during call
Hello. On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 22:10, Paul Fertser wrote: I'm not sure whether you prefer this kind of patches here or on the Trac. Please let me know if opening a ticket is more convenient for you. Posting here is fine. Applied. Thanks for it. One pain less using it as daily phone. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [PATCH] Zhone: show the name from the phonebook during call
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:07:52PM +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Applied. Thanks for it. One pain less using it as daily phone. Hi, Joachim or Luca, can one of you please update the Zhone package in Debian? IMHO this feature is a must-have ;) -- Sebastian signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
recommendations for calendar syncing between desktop and FR
Hello, I would like to keep my freerunner calendar in sync with my desktop calendar. Right now I use Icedove+Lightning on the desktop, but that's not a must-have, so I can switch to something else. What do you all recommend as a setup for such sync'ing ? Moritz ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [PATCH] Zhone: show the name from the phonebook during call
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 27.11.2008, 00:21 +0100 schrieb Joachim Breitner: Am Mittwoch, den 26.11.2008, 23:42 +0100 schrieb Sebastian Reichel: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:07:52PM +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Applied. Thanks for it. One pain less using it as daily phone. Hi, Joachim or Luca, can one of you please update the Zhone package in Debian? IMHO this feature is a must-have ;) Sure, I’ll do it right away. (And please keep telling me what patches to add, so I don’t miss anything important) And done. Paul, one feature request: If the number is _not_ known, could to avoid showing it twice? You probably also need to improve the .edj file so that the sublabel is not visible (not even as an empty white bar) in that case. Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: Here is the log for the case when FR don't stop ringing after remote hangup
Am Tuesday 25 November 2008 11:24:00 schrieb Paul Fertser: Sometimes i'm able to reproduce a strange behaviour. I suspend my FR and call from the fixed phone. Just after it unsuspends i hang up. But it keeps ringing and vibrating. I was able to get a debug ogsmd log. I did only one probably unrelevant change to the unsolicted.py: added a %N0187 to percentCPI. Even if it does interfere, it could reveal a bug. Also please notice that there was a traceback in unsolicited.py while trying to parse a %CPI response. (That particular response is obviously garbled because +CLIP somehow got inbetween). I'm not sure how that +CLIP crippled in. Maybe muxing is somehow buggy? Ouch, that looks very serious. I didn't see Calypso going wrong in that way ever. Please attach this to a ticket, I need to scrutinize that. Thanks, :M: ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: After several successful reads MiscChannel is stuck (and i'm unable to see new SMSs)
Am Wednesday 26 November 2008 01:49:01 schrieb Paul Fertser: NB: I'm trying to produce some bugreports that can actually help to debug the issues i'm facing. If i'm doing it wrong, please, suggest how should i do it better. You're doing well. Thanks for that! [...] So, the request of my large phonebook from sim timed out though the full reply was received. But it's not the only problem. After this line no requests on pts/0 are sent. This is the last line in my log mentioning pts/0. The channel seems to be waiting for ReadyToSend which never comes... I'm still using frameworkd debian version 0.8.4.3-20081118-2. Should i open a ticket? Yes, please. -- :M: ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: guarantee xterm and a keyboard upon next reboot
jidanni at jidanni.org writes: Can you please reveal all the customization you had to do in .Xresources and .xvkbd to make it useable. Thank you. The files .Xdefaults, .icewm/winoptions and XVkbd-lindi are now at http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ I tried this (without icewm options), but xvkdb just seems to ignore the .Xdefaults file. Any hint why that may be ? Moritz ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
know wget URL, need git-clone URL
I wish the git beginner documentation would tell one how to translate e.g., http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.gita=blob_plainf=install.sh which is good for wget, to the URL one needs for git-clone to get the same file. ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
Re: [Debian/FSO] openmoko-panel-plugin: inflexibility in events processing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 arne anka wrote: using ms4 and if I was a granny and hit a power button I'd think I just switched off the phone, not suspend. If I hit it again I'd think that I'd powered it on again, not resume. a grannie would be able to kill herself with a spoon ... everything above a kitchen knive requires understanding how the device works, which means reading soem kind of documentation before use -- if the device does not work as expected, it's usually a matter of pebkac. especially for a device with so limited a number of physical input elements it should be perfectly clear to any user that the two buttons have more than a simple on/off function but a broad number depending upon the situation. it might be an option (as usual) to make the behaviour of the pwr button configurable: a) do only on/off b) do suspend/resume and on/off c) expose a menu to select the desired action a) would be for what you call grannies b) for those preferring fast and minmal inavise action c) for the rest focusing solely on the (imho hardly likely) group of grannies would ostracize the number of users willing to use and looking for a more advanced device not tied up in the conventional paradigms of user interaction. building smartphones for grannies is a task a lot of companies aspire -- and i doupt openmoko would be able to survive! have a look at palm: they basically abandoned palmos in favour of wince -- and their phones a re to expansive and too bad to cope with stuff from htc or so, they left their niche and found no other ... Cheers for that you made me laugh with the grannies with spoons comment ;-) I sort of disagree with you. People do not read the manual when they get a device. They try to use it and if they have to resort to the manual the designer has failed. I can't remember the last time I read the manual for a phone, camera, DVD player. Devices performing everyday things like a mobile phone in the 21t century should be as close to intuitive as makes no difference. No offence to anybody on this list but like a lot of you I'm happy enough with the command line for a lot of stuff and that's maybe why we're not that good at usability. I'm not suggesting that we get tied up the conventional paradigms of user interactions but just a bit of usability. I think even a granny given an iPod for the first time would have a fairly good stab at playing some music. Obviously getting music into it would be a stretch. I also don't think that OpenMoko should even attempt to give use smart phones for grannies. They should give us a hardware platform and let us, the community, do the rest. Look at the xBox media centre for the original xBox built by a community, as far as I know, and a really good usable piece of Software IMHO. At the end of the day I'm still amazed that I've got an open platform. When my capable laptop for programming arrives and I get some time I'm going to have a menu on the power button ;-) Thanks again for the laugh. Grannies with spoons -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJLb++XlbjSJ5n4BARAnw3AJ9+4rcX4UZPK4e9CoMaGCnUhkS/zgCdFqEZ na7pfezQmbfeQ1Up2yKrIFg= =bW5x -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
