Re: [RCSE] looking for Vortec models
In a message dated 12/21/00 7:06:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for Vortec Model FW 190. Does any one have contact info. I think there in Europe. Looks like a cool PSS model. Cheers. Hey Al, you crazy dude! Jeff makes a few very cool PSS planes! He's in SoCal. Vortec Models/Jeff Fukushima 2045 Alamo Drive. Monterey Park, CA 91754 626-458-5578 all the best, Dave Reese RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST!
Stuart, I am new to the WW so others may have better answers to your questions. But for what it is worth: Yes, drop by your friendly hobby shop; who knows you may find some other neat stuff to build with your 5-year old! It is a pretty tiny plane and you will be able to build a bunch of them with little cost. Ask for a sheet of 1/16" and another 1/8" thick balsa. It'll come about 3" X 36" Some glue is also needed. CA is like Super Glue - works quick but can be a real problem gluing your own fingers. I would not recommend it around a five year old! If you do use it be careful and buy the thick stuff. You'll also need a single edge razor blade or an E-ACTO knife. Hum-m-m have you considered Leggo) You can get clay at most toy stores cheap. Good luck and e-mail me your longest flights - time in the air and distance. REMEMBER contest is on the 26th so the flights have to be on that day. Jack At 07:56 AM 12/22/2000 -0500, you wrote: I downloaded the plans and I am going to build a few with my 5 year old this weekend. Question: what are the best sources of supplies? Do I need to get to a hobby shop to buy the balsa, or is there another source (I assume Home Depot doesn't have it)? And for the nose weight - a good cheap source? I have to buy everything so I might as well get the cheapest stuff I can - plumbers putty? = Original Message From "Harley Michaelis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Hi Joel. . .I messed with reduced decalage, rounded LE's, rounded tips, swept tips, thinned tips and thinned stabs, smaller stabs, airfoiled stabs, airfoiled wings, longer nose moment arms, shorter nose moment arms, longer fuselages, slimmer fuselages, more dihedral, less dihedral, shorter center, longer tips, longer center, shorter tips, lighter balsa, heavier balsa, etc. and still barely broke 10 seconds, so the secret of better performance as Tom and others have experienced still escapes me. Maybe after this next contest is finished, the leaders will be kind enough to pass on their techniques in building or launching for the rest of us underachievers. I can't recall who it was, but while one of the numerous Whizzes built performed notably better than the others, said he could not really say why. I do know that best performance is related to bank angle, launch angle and launch speed that gets maximum height and gives a nice transition at the top into a flat glide. Hard to quantify. The little things move so fast, I don't even know where they are heading right after launch! -- From: Joel A. Foner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Gordon McArthur [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jack Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST! Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:09 PM I've posted this to the Charles River Whipper Whiz page and rearranged the page a bit to have a Contest Results and Rules section for on-going additions. I also added this as a home page link to drum up some interest! (Maybe get someone in the running against you "pro's"!) Our four and seven year olds love their Whiz's, but they're nowhere near the current records... Across the living room and hit the wall at four feet height is their idea of fun! Maybe we'll try for a design that'll do a ridiculous number of loops or something ;) What are people doing to these to hit the latest crop of distance and duration records? Closer to zero/zero alignment, from the looks of Cliff's pictures - anything else? Airfoiled wing and tail? Got any design tips to post? In any case, the updated page is at: (the following URL should be all on one line) http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/whipperwhiz/whipperwhiz_2000contest3. htm Regards and happy holidays, Joel Joel Foner Webmaster - Charles River Radio Controllers http://www.charlesriverrc.org/ IRCHA #1458 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGP DH Public Key Fingerprint 838A 0167 24AD 760B 4BB2 0560 2675 F9E9 5E8F 418C - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stuart Hall Linux Slot car timing systems - http://deslot.sourceforge.net Personal web pages - http://www.stuarthall.net AOL IM: duckman147 - feel free to IM or ICQ me anytime I am online ICQ# 99818383 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST!
Stuart, The closest shop to you is "Build Right-Fly Right" in Yalesville, CT. From Rt 68 take a right and go south on the Hartford Turnpike. He's past the lights in a small stip mall 1/2 mile on the left. He'll be moving to larger store in February, how's that folks! = Dennis Phelan In a crisis, you don't rise to occasion. You sink to the level of your training. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] q continuum canard
Anyone out there tried this model? It was in S+E a while back. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Whipper Whiz Hop-Up Secrets Revealed!
There's a new Whipper Whiz Hop-Ups page with some info from Tom Broesky and John O'Sullivan, including some pictures of the hot-rodded Whiz's they've used for record flights. Hmmm. Maybe if I build one with dual fins I could post about this on the RC Jets list (F15 Whiz?). http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles.htm is our Articles Tips index - the Whipper Whiz "home page" is in the list of On-Line plans in the left column. Regards and happy flying, Joel P.S. Maybe we should have a separate category for the "real kids", since it doesn't seem they'd stand a chance against the likes of the top "big kids" competitors? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST
Have you read Harley's Announcement of the colossal INDOOR WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST being held by the Bedford Buzzards? This is the first official contest so you have a real chance of becoming a . . . tah dah . . . world record holder! Toss your Whipper Whiz(s) on the 26 and mail me your best distances and time-in-air, along with your names, ages, and location. by noon (EST) on the 28 and I will sort them out and announce winners. Jack, CD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]jack@kites.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Fw: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST!
World Whipper Whiz champ Tom Broeski generously passed on this tip to me that may be of interest to others planning to compete. -- From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST! Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:18 AM We will see how the indoor contest goes. 10 seconds will be tough indoors. The main thing building wise is letting the Stab stick out so you can adjust elevator trim. Launching is a hard side arm so the plane "loops" sideways into a circle. Trimmed right the plane wants to loop, so make the loop work for you so you don't lose the height. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST!
Hi Joel. . .yes, one design rule. Build the wing from a 1" x 1/16" piece of balsa. The variations are virtually endless! Think of all the airfoil combos possible on a quad taper! Tom. . .thanks for passing on the pics and comments about your world record setting Whipper Whiz. May thousands, inter-galactically speaking, be inspired to enthusiastically participate! From: Joel A. Foner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST! Date: Friday, December 22, 2000 7:04 AM I just got this from Tom... So if this is legal, then a triple or quad-taper wing planform is ok? ;) Joel -Original Message- From: Tom Broeski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST! Here's the record plane. http://adesigner.com/whip.htm The elevator is slightly back to allow trim. Makes all the difference in the world. The thermal that blew through helped a lot too. We will see how the indoor contest goes. Now that Harley has taken off any requirements other than the 1" x 6" wing, we should see some interesting fuse designs. Tom "Joel A. Foner" wrote: I've posted this to the Charles River Whipper Whiz page and rearranged the page a bit to have a Contest Results and Rules section for on-going additions. I also added this as a home page link to drum up some interest! (Maybe get someone in the running against you "pro's"!) Our four and seven year olds love their Whiz's, but they're nowhere near the current records... Across the living room and hit the wall at four feet height is their idea of fun! Maybe we'll try for a design that'll do a ridiculous number of loops or something ;) What are people doing to these to hit the latest crop of distance and duration records? Closer to zero/zero alignment, from the looks of Cliff's pictures - anything else? Airfoiled wing and tail? Got any design tips to post? In any case, the updated page is at: (the following URL should be all on one line) http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/whipperwhiz/whipperwhiz_2000contest3. htm Regards and happy holidays, Joel Joel Foner Webmaster - Charles River Radio Controllers http://www.charlesriverrc.org/ IRCHA #1458 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGP DH Public Key Fingerprint 838A 0167 24AD 760B 4BB2 0560 2675 F9E9 5E8F 418C - -- TG 32 Mount View Dr. Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Need help finding small dia. titanium rod
Good point, other than the effort involved, there is no reason why a micro-sized rectangular carbon joiner and box cannot be constructed. The process is well explained in Mark Drela's plans for the composite Allegro Rick Why not make (carve) a little mold - the shape of the desired joiner - and fill it with carbon fiber and epoxy? I have not done this so it may not be practical - but, I bet it has been tried. (I would.) Regis Titanium is actually twice the weight of aluminum, 2/3 that of steel. Its bending is modulus is I believe also 2/3 that of steel, .094dia might not be adequate even for steel. So you really can't realize much of a weight savings from it in this particular application. 0.125dia music wire is about right for the job I think, that size in titanium might also do. Check for a local supplier, he might sell you an end piece. Try to get both hard and soft grades. 3/16 alu would do, but 6061 is soft and will easily take a bend set, 7075 is hard to find in anything under .5", leaving you to machine it down. But, all this said, a 3-4"lg x 3/16dia carbon rod should be able to accomodate the diehedral break on a typical polyhedral HLG wing. Rick Does anyone know a source for titanium rod/wire in approximately 3/32 inch diameter equals about .093 inches equals about 2.3 to 2.4 mm, or somewhat smaller even? Intended use is a bent two-piece wing connector for a HLG wing that has a dihedral angle too great for a straight carbon fiber rod-in-tube or tube-in-tube. Since titanium is as strong as steel but lighter than aluminum, it seems like good stuff for this application. The smallest Small Parts has is 1/4 inch. Another desireable solution would be a carbon fiber rod that size with the correct bend, but is finding that impossible? Suggestions welcomed. TIA Al Nephew fending off GPS in Duluth, MN RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST!
Many thanks for John, Dennis, Harley etc. for the design tips and information where to buy Balsa. Dennis reminded me of a hobby shop I visited a short while ago that likely has all the supplies I will need for this weekend project. Better to go see the store owner than to order this stuff over the internet - that takes too long, plus the store *is* very conveniently located 5 miles from my house. Thanks again everyone for indulging my newbie questions. Harley asked, and I will relay here - I have *never* glued a peice of balsa before, so my questions are usually *really* brand new, basic questions. I think the EPP fliers I am looking at will be perfect while I improve my modeling skills. :-) Stuart = Original Message From "John O'Sullivan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = "Stuart A. Hall" wrote: I downloaded the plans and I am going to build a few with my 5 year old this weekend. Question: what are the best sources of supplies? Do I need to get to a hobby shop to buy the balsa, or is there another source (I assume Home Depot doesn't have it)? And for the nose weight - a good cheap source? I have to buy everything so I might as well get the cheapest stuff I can - plumbers putty? If you do not have a hobby shop conveniently located, try some of the Art and Craft stores as they also stock a limited amount of balsa. Ordinary Plasticine is the No.1 choice for noseweight. Have fun, The Whipper Whiz is an excellent therapy for young and old, and in spite of its simplicity can give some good insights into the wonders of aerodynamics. John O'Sullivan Nova Scotia Wind and Wave Models http://members.nbci.com/WindandWave/ Stuart Hall Linux Slot car timing systems - http://deslot.sourceforge.net Personal web pages - http://www.stuarthall.net AOL IM: duckman147 - feel free to IM or ICQ me anytime I am online ICQ# 99818383 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RDS on a Zagi?
I'm getting ready to build my first Zagi and am toying with the idea of using Harley Michaelis' RDS for enclosed elevon linkages. (See http://www.proptwisters.org/rds2/ FYI.) Is there any reason why I can't use RDS on a foamie wing? I think that there is enough wing thickness. The only negative that I can see is that in a bad mishap the foam could flex a lot and the RDS might bind since it is enclosed in the squooshy foam. Have a good holiday saeson! --Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Flight simulators
Bill, One of the best flight sims for gliders and aerobatic planes, although not perfect, is the old Flight Unlimited I. Out of print now, a year or so ago you could pick up a copy at K-mart bsargain bins for ten bucks. Originally If I understand you right, you're talking about flight sims that are trying to simulate (euh .. I should be careful now ... :-)) full-size airplanes, rather than "less-than-full-size" planes, right ? I've never seen the Flight Unlimited I, I do have version II (I didn't know it was that bad though ... :-)). More to the point: is a sim for full-size airplanes useful for learning to fly models ? Thanks, Stefan. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] A source for free lead.....
Another source of free lead: cultivate friends that are learning to fly helicopters. I also have a good source of music wire from this (bent tail rotor pushrods). -- Andrew E. Mileski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] WHIPPER WHIZ INTERGALACTIC CONTEST! and LSF
Can this contest count towards my LSF requirements? a RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] RDS on a Zagi?
I was thinking about the same thing for my Highlander, if only to learn how to work with those things, so please respond in public. Thanks, Stefan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] RDS on a Zagi? I'm getting ready to build my first Zagi and am toying with the idea of using Harley Michaelis' RDS for enclosed elevon linkages. (See http://www.proptwisters.org/rds2/ FYI.) Is there any reason why I can't use RDS on a foamie wing? I think that there is enough wing thickness. The only negative that I can see is that in a bad mishap the foam could flex a lot and the RDS might bind since it is enclosed in the squooshy foam. Have a good holiday saeson! --Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
