Re: [RCSE] Progressive Insurance! (MoM)
Yep, Daryl, your already in last place as soon as you sign up. lol At 08:08 AM 12/5/2002 -0800, Daryl Perkins wrote: +.3 Out of State competitions +.5 Competing at a National Champs +.8 Competing in an international comp or Visalia +.8 winning a Nats Champ + 1.5 for winning a World Champs That sounds like a fun contest - I'd have to fly for something like 48.6 hours if my math is correct... ;-) D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Progressive Insurance! (MoM)
Well a bottle of Wild Turkey is one of the prizes. Sort of a consolation for hanging around in the Cold, Damp, Overcast day, just to fly 3 flights. Too bad it was a Sunday. This year Karl Miller supplied some hot food which was fantastic. Steve At 12:36 PM 12/5/2002 +, Tom wrote: Okay... my idea sucked but that handicap thing is messed up. I think I'd need a beer a round just to figure my flight time target. ;) Tom Siler Columbus Oh (buried in snow) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:46 PM 12/4/2002, Lee Estingoy wrote: Has anybody considered a handicap, like in golf or sailing? Yup, we do it every year at the SOAR club turkey shoot. It basically does what you would expect, one of the top guys puts on a spectacular performance to win the thing beyond all odds, and it allows some other pilots to taste wood during the thanksgiving holidays. Don Smith came up with the following handicap system that we have been using for years: (we may have had a handicapped landing system too, but this is like taxes for me and I had my scoring advisor calculate my task times for me before flying... I just fly.) 8-) -8- Round 1: 6 minutes for everyone Round 2: 6 minutes + an equipment factor (f) calculated as follows, 1 + Class : -.4 HLG hand launched -.2 1.5 M - 2 meter span 0 between 2 and 3 meters +.2 greater than 3 meters Construction -.2 built up sticks 0 wood sheeted foam +.2 bagged composite +.4 molded Control surfaces -.2 2 function 0 3 function +.2 full house ( 3 function) example composite Phasor 2M would have a factor of (1-.2+.2+.2) = 1.2 resulting in a task time of 7.2 minutes (7 min. 12 sec.) and a Stork would draw a factor of (1+ .2 + .4 + .2) = 1.8, the task would be 10.8 minutes. (The task being calculated by multiplying the round 1 task by the factor) Round 3: add to the factor for round 2 the following single highest applicable factor: -.3 no previous contest flying 0 for club contests +.3 Out of State competitions +.5 Competing at a National Champs +.8 Competing in an international comp or Visalia +.8 winning a Nats Champ + 1.5 for winning a World Champs example: the unfortunate Nats champ pilot of a Stork would add their round 2 factor of 1.8 and .8 for a total factor of 2.6. Multiplying by 6 mins. would result in a task of 15.6 minutes for round 3. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Progressive Insurance! (MoM)
He can handle the Competition I seen him fly once LOL At 04:03 PM 12/5/2002 -0600, Steve Meyer wrote: Yep, Daryl, your already in last place as soon as you sign up. lol At 08:08 AM 12/5/2002 -0800, Daryl Perkins wrote: +.3 Out of State competitions +.5 Competing at a National Champs +.8 Competing in an international comp or Visalia +.8 winning a Nats Champ + 1.5 for winning a World Champs That sounds like a fun contest - I'd have to fly for something like 48.6 hours if my math is correct... ;-) D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 LSF Level IV CSS Silver http://www.silentflight.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Sharon pro flap question
Any one have experence getting 80 to 90 degrees of travel one one of these things? I can get enought travel but the flap hinge is so stiff I'm stalling a 60 inch oz torque servo at about 45 degrees. I've run into this problem with one or two planes when I thought I REALLY needed 80 or 90 degrees of flap. Actually 60 or 70 is generally enough unless you want to stop before you can think about it. Ocasionally the hinge line has not been scored deep enough or wide enough to make the hinge flexible enough for large angles - or there is still too much epoxy left in the fabric to allow the hinge to flex easily. With the wing well supported upside down on a foam pad flex the flap towards you using both hands equally spaced on the flap. SLOWLY flex the flap until it goes slightly past the position you are looking for. You may want to approach this in stages. Once you've reached the desired point, flex the flap up and down many times. Finally, tape the flap to hold it there overnight. While you're doing this listen to the wing for bad sounds - STOP immediately if you start hearing strange noises. You might, with good hearing, be able to hear the epoxy flaking off the hinge material - that's ALL you should hear. Also, as you approach the point where the hinge becomes stiff, look at the area on either side of the hinge line for distortion or deviation from a flat appearance - STOP if things start to look wrong. Hope this helps. Jim Porter Neckargemund-Dilsberg Germany The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall. Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Funny aviation audio
This is pretty good. The pro pilots on this board have most likely already heard it... http://www.whoohoo.net/pilot/index.htm Very cool, enjoy JR. A person is a person, no matter how small .Horton hears a who (Dr. Suess) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Dihedral VS Poly VS Ailerons
Don, I'd appreciate it if you would elaborate on your statement. I understand what you are saying in theory, but I've had very different results in actual practice. I've experimented with two identical planes, one at 9.25 oz and the other at 11 oz. In both launch and upwind penetration the heavier plane had better performance. If F=ma and the m is increased, the F has to go up. The increase in F must be greater than the induced drag component. As far as upwind performance, the speed of the glide is increased. Your reason for this is that the lighter plane is not aerodynamically optimized for its weight? JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:14:20 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ed Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: Dihedral VS Poly VS Ailerons Ed Franz asks: So Don, How light is light in a R-E discus launch H/L? My XP3 weighs in at 9.25 oz, too heavy? Yes. The DLG experiments Joe and I were working on before we discontinued our composite models for business (NOT engineering) reasons verified this. If the planes aerodynamics are properly matched to its weight, there is no launch height penalty or penetration penalty to being lighter. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hitec HS-5125MG Servos
Hi Sam, The servos may not be the problem. If these were stripped on landing with flaps down then learn to take the flaps off a second before you touch down. If there is grass on the field and the flaps drag across that it's a real load on the gears. One way to help on that is to buy servo arms from elect. car hobby shops. These servo arms are spring loaded and really take an impact. I have never broken a servo gear using these arms. Thermals, Art Sam Girardi wrote: How are these servos working out for you guys? My buddy had them in a plane at Visalia and he managed to strip two of them on landing (seperate incidences). How do they compair to the other thin wing servos? (voltz and multiplex) thanks! any feedback is appreciated Sam Girardi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hitec HS-5125MG Servos
Sam Girardi is certainly right about what he is saying. However, I have found (see, message 103906 ) that the new Volzes are sufficiently strong to survive the occasional flap-down landing without servo protectors. Steve Henke (message 103928) found something very similar. --- Rense Lange --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Art Mcnamee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sam Girardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/5/2002 5:59:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec HS-5125MG Servos Hi Sam, The servos may not be the problem. If these were stripped on landing with flaps down then learn to take the flaps off a second before you touch down. If there is grass on the field and the flaps drag across that it's a real load on the gears. One way to help on that is to buy servo arms from elect. car hobby shops. These servo arms are spring loaded and really take an impact. I have never broken a servo gear using these arms. Thermals, Art Sam Girardi wrote: How are these servos working out for you guys? My buddy had them in a plane at Visalia and he managed to strip two of them on landing (seperate incidences). How do they compair to the other thin wing servos? (voltz and multiplex) thanks! any feedback is appreciated Sam Girardi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Fred Sage
If you are available please give me a private reply I would like to ask a question. Thankyou. Rick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] STM Slope Pilot ID Guide
Cousin Dieter said: The Mr. Unpretentious type is rare, but it does exist. I suppose they fly unobtainium airplanes, ya? Cuzzin Duggy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] TPG Toys for Tots contest
All, This sunday, December 8th, we are holding our annual Toys for Tots contest. The registration fee will be one new, unwrapped, toy. The contest will be F3J style man-on-man, but with 6 identical high starts instead of hand-tow. The contest will be at the Torrey Pines Gull's Poway field. Pilot registration will be at 8:30am Here is a map: http://www.torreypinesgulls.org/Maps.htm John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] STM Slope Pilot ID Guide
No Doc, but they are becoming known for showing up at thermal death matches and beating up on unsuspecting TD pilots ;) Jeff From: Winchdoc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Dieter @ ShredAir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] STM Slope Pilot ID Guide Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:55:05 -0800 Cousin Dieter said: The Mr. Unpretentious type is rare, but it does exist. I suppose they fly unobtainium airplanes, ya? Cuzzin Duggy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] STM Slope Pilot ID Guide
No Doc, but they are becoming known for showing up at thermal death matches and beating up on unsuspecting TD pilots ;) Jeff Nahnahnahnahnah... a real slope head is no thread at a thermal death match. He'll either fall asleep (heads up!) or die of boredom after no more than 5 minutes of Tedious Dawdling... :o) Funny, he can do 15 minutes of DS circles in one session, though... Dieter Mahlein http://shredair.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] De-motify the competition
...yeah, it might be a little off topic, but there is a nice picture of an eagle on their calendar\leaders page. Also, nice use of an updraft on the calendar\change page. Have fun! WWW.despair.com Bill Wingstedt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #1238
Poly vs. Ailerons. The Cure! Answer: Get both of them, and fly them on Maui. One for Waipoli, one for Maluhia, one for Kapuna, Oh!!! I can go on and on. And don't forget one for Kari!!! Yeah Brian!! Another cold winter day on Maui, 81 degrees. Wish you were here Randy B. Flying your Hades!! It would be a great match with Sean Plummer's, Muller screaming yellow ship! Aloha RCSE pilots, Gerald F. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Space pro special purchase
Ron: Space pro's are an F3b/F3J type ship of hollow molded construction. It is used in the U.S. as a heavy air TD/F3J ship, and F3b plane. very strong and fast. It is capable of great aerobatics and is available with an electric motor fuselage. The new Cross tail is Manufactured by Jan Stanek specially for HKM for its German distribution and export. The Dutch F3J team placed first in the European championships with the Space Pro. I distribute HKM products in the U.S. See: http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/sailplanes.htm -Original Message- From: Ronald Sinclair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:32 PM To: John Derstine Subject: Re: [RCSE] Space pro special purchase John, I do not mean to show my ignorance, but what is a Space Pro? Never heard of it before. Is there a website with a picture or two? Thanks. Ron Sinclair Madison AL - Original Message - From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: [RCSE] Space pro special purchase Last shipment of this year on space pros. HKM Space Pro Special Purchase. I have three Space pros available, two with ballast tubes in blue and one red with out tubes (stock version) $885.00 standard X-tail blue wing bottoms $899.00 ballast version X-tail red wing bottoms (ballast tubes in wings) FOB EMM. Prices may increase after January on future shipments. John Derstine Endless Mountain Models RD# 3 Box 336 Gillett PA 16925 570-596-2392 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
