Re: [RCSE] For Sale ASW-27
ASW Sold. Thanks, Glauco From: "Glauco Lago" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] For Sale ASW-27 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:11:23 -0600 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.---BeginMessage--- Last try. 1/4 scale Robbe ASW-27 New price 450,00 U$ with shipping included to lower 48 states. Also included Hitec 8 ch receiver pos. shift. Just install your crystal and fly. More details at http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/glauco/asw.htm Thanks, Glauco [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] Starlight 2000 site
It couldn't be that you just have become a really good pilot ...? Rense Lange BTW just won another local contest and it's all the Starlight 2000. Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again I WAS LUCKY
I've used HiTech servos for years in lots of airplanes - both powered and sailplanes. I've never had a systemic failure of HS225 or HS85 servos. I would not consider them inferior to a comparable JR or airtronics servo. I did replace two HS85's in an Escape once when I blew out both aileron servo gears in a super hard F3J launch! I replaced them with JR368's (thanks Mike!) and never had a problem again. I should not have had the HS85's in there to begin with - the problem was caused by flutter of the surface - any plastic geared servo would have failed. I have HS85's in my Zenith as it does not get launched nearly as hard. The only problem I've had with the Zenith is stripping the Airtronics 141 flap servo gears. The flap servos are old, but they were free. I had to smile reading Gordy's post on smokin' motors. The last flap servo I fixed had a lot of crap in the servo and the motor. Yes - I cleaned it up rather than replace the servo (even pulled the motor apart and cleaned the commutator!). It did last thru the SWC. I'll replace the 141's with HS85MG's or HS225MG's and not think twice. OH BTW - I think the SWC finish/opinion/authority metric is GREAT! I finished 11th at the SWC, so that makes my opinion very near the top :-) Maybe if I had better servos, I could beat Fred (Sage)! Now if the other Fred is listening, I'm ready to sign that big sponsorship deal. Mark This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify Space Imaging immediately. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hitec servos - should I use them ?
It's mainly been about the 225. I have a a whole bunch of Hitec 80'2. 81's and 85's and havent had a problem with them. In fact, I've had some HS-85's in my primary DS plane for 2 years without a problem. The JR servos in that same airplane have got all jittery while the Hitec's remain solid. FWIW, I've had a couple Futaba servos (S133's) fail too. yclui_hk wrote: This is not the first time I see reports about the questionable reliability of Hitec servos in open forums and I have to say I am getting a bit scared. I have two Hitec 125MG wing servos in my 60 moldy and two brand new 81MGs waiting for my new gliders and I am not sure whether I should have them replaced and tossed before they take their toll. I do not remember coming across any negative comments about other brands of servos such as Futaba / JR. Is it because they are really good or just that they are not as popular as Hitec in the US modelling community ? Thanks, Y C Lui RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] R/C Slope and Power Homepage http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://members.nbci.com/bjaffee/extra300/ OnTheWay Quake 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again
Someone told me that GWS still sells the servo that Cirrus labeled as the CS-21. Personally, I'm not sure I trust them on anything but a slow flying airplane. Pilot Frank wrote: I like the Cirrus CS-21BB HP but unfortunately they are discontinued, I wonder why. They have a lot of power for their size. 23 oz/in compared to 17 oz/in of the JR241, and they are smaller, too. Does anyone still have some in stock? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Osborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FRED SAGE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again At 08:59 PM 2/17/03 -0800, James Osborn wrote: Note I have also been told that V-tail airplanes are more robust in this sitation. Since you have TWO servos providing pitch control, if one locks up, you may be able to save the airplane with appropriate pilot input. I'll vouch for that. I had two Cirrus CS-21's controlling the v-tail of my Mini Acacia. Had them in there for about a year. Then, one time, while DS'ing, I just couldn't get the thing in the grove. I went back the the front side and something just didn't feel right, but I attributed it to bumpy conditions. I landed just in case and discovered that one the v-tail servos had completely failed. It was completely dead. Lucky for me it froze in neutral. The only effect was that the plane was pulling to one side when elevator was applied. I've since replaced both servos with JR241's (which cost around the same, btw). RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] R/C Slope and Power Homepage http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://members.nbci.com/bjaffee/extra300/ OnTheWay Quake 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again Lessons/Solutions...
OK, a few questions to direct the conversation a bit. 1. How do we detect defective gear, such as servos, before we trust our expensive toys to them? Would it help to get a servo driver and burn them in by cycling them for some set period ?- this will prove the initial durability of the electronics and motor/brushes, but it won't do much for the gear sets 2. Do we need to evaluate the sanity of tossing such expensive equipment into the air knowing that there are any number of possible weak links in the system, including but not limited to, every solder joint on every wire, servo amp, receiver, battery pack and transmitter every gear in every servo every pin in every servo frequency safety - ie, is some bozo with a parkflyer in the parking lot down the road flying on my frequency? or, is some nationally known TOC guru who definitely knows better flying without a pin. IT ALL HAPPENS. Maybe we need to stop trying to spend more money for more reliability, leading to an ever more expensive hobby, leading to an ever more devastating financial loss when the plane does crash. I recently lost my 1/3 scale Duo Discus in a very public crash in St. Louis. I fluttered the elevator. I was flying too fast. I also had a JR 8411 (that's a $100.00 servo, friends) driving that elevator. The flutter caused the gears to slip in that servo. Seems that there is a history of that servo failing under vibration loads, such as my fluttering elevator or large helis I built that plane from scratch. Total materials cost maybe $200.00. It has become an organ donor; most of the radio gear has been serviced for small expense. Lots of lessons learned for that 200.00 An acceptable loss. Now, what if I had paid 3,500 for that ship? Different story. I believe it would start with my having to look for a new home as my wife would have RC aircraft go in harm's way. Maybe instead of building them more expensively in hopes of achieving some failsafe status, we ought to build them more affordably, such that the INEVITABLE loss of the plane won't be as traumatic. Think of the other advantages. Time to get back to building the second Duo. Hmm, what servos should I use? Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Jeff Nibler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec 225 strikes again I WAS LUCKY I hope this doesn't turn into a complete Hitec bashing thread. The bottom line is that Hitec servos DO offer a good value for their cost. As Fred put it, they allow exposure to our hobby (exposure... isn't that something we were just discussing??), and save us valuable dollars. I run Hitec servos in all but two of my sailplanes, and have never had an issue with any of them (I don't run 225s though). I chose brands of higher quality and greater reliability to run in my contest planes. To me, this only makes sense. Would you put Costco tires on your Porsche then take it out to the track? Costco carries decent tires, but nothing I'd put on a Porsche. I trust what Jack has said about the 225s; he isn't the kind of guy that would make something like that up and it has also been previously discussed on the exchange. That specific type of failure, and failure rate isn't what I'd call acceptable. One exchange member made the comment that if even one product suffers repeated failures like this, then the entire product line won't be trusted by the masses. I agree with this and hope that Hitec will do something about this specific issue, and quickly. Given their customer service track record (that we ALL have either heard of, or had personal experience with), I would like to think they will. I think the moral of the story is simple: don't use the 225s ;) ESPECIALLY don't use them in a $1000 glass slipper. Jeff Will this rain EVER stop??? I want to fly! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Knew this was coming
This is a sad turn of events. I can't find the story from today's news, but the Palestinians are using RC toys as bombers. Here's an intro to it, written more than a month ago. http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=239 Bet the Israelis have quickly slapped together some "Dial A Crash" devices. I think that is what happened today, as the plane/bomb blew up in the lab. Lee
[RCSE] Blonde 225 Servo joke
The first Blonde GUY SERVO joke ... and well worth the wait?? An Irishman, a Mexican and a blonde guy were doing construction work on scaffolding on the 20th floor of a building. They were eating lunch and the Irishman said, Another 'HiTec 225 Failed! If I get another 225 failure I'm going to jump off this building. The Mexican opened his lunch and answered, Another HiTec 225 failed! If I Get another 225 failure I'm going to jump off, too. The blonde opened his lunch and said, Another 225 failed. If I get another 225 failure, I'm jumping too. The next day as the Irishman opened his lunch box and jumped to his death. The Mexican opened his lunch, and jumped too. The blonde guy opened his lunch,and jumped to his death as well. At the funeral the Irishman's wife was weeping. She said, If I'd known He really wanted a different servo I would have bought him one. The Mexican's wife also wept and said, I could have given him a JR or FMA I didn't realize he hated 225's so much. Everyone turned and stared at the blonde's wife. Are you ready for it Here it comes Hey, don't look at me, she said, He buys his own servos. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Blue ones...servos that is
So...where does one find these blue servos? Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] In all fairness...
I didn't mean to start a pure Hitec bash. They do, in my opinion have a problem that has cost me pretty dearly. But, I have not had a problem with the 85mg servos that I am using in the wings...yet. I guess I just NEVER had a servo go bad and maybe I expect too much. I will be getting some different servos, though. Count on that. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] HS 225 Sudden Death Syndrome
I recently posted my own experiences with HS 225MG servos. I suffered the failure of four of these servos in the space of a month. The first was a flap servo on my Hera that failed in flight. (This had been in the plane about 2 years.) The other three were on the rudder and elevator of my wife's Chicago Style RES plane. These were brand new servos in a brand new airplane. The rudder servo failed first. My wife had just landed her plane. I noticed the rudder seemed to have been responding a little strangely as she came in to land. I asked her to wiggle the sticks on her TX. The rudder wagged twice, then twitched and died. The next week we showed up at the field and switched on the plane only to find the elevator servo was dead. A week later, the new HS225MG that I replaced on the rudder died again. The fact that the Glider King site has a conversation thread entitled HS 225MG sudden Death Syndrome is telling. I don't recall ever seeing a similar thread anywhere on any other manufacturer's servo. Vaughn Entwistle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] zagi question
Whatever I buy, I will be learning on without any instruction, other than the internet, so I'm looking for something forgiving but enjoyable. Given those parameters, let me strongly suggest the T-HAWK RTF 3-ch electric powered glider. http://www.readytoflyfun.com/thawk3chrtf.html I guarantee it will be forgiving and enjoyable and affordable. There are now many 3ch electric powered gliders now available that will meet your needs but none more forgiving and enjoyable and affordable. It's a good (and a lot less frustrating) place to start. Also note, you can get affordable replacement parts when you need them (and you will). Experts on this list will tell you to get the most expensive stuff you can afford but if they are honest, most will admit to owning more than one radio system. Regis PS. Wish these were avalable when I was learning. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clay Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there! I found your email address on the Trick RC website, and I was wondering if you had any advice for someone new to RC Soaring. I'm debating on what my first purchase (doomed to destruction) will be - a MAD Highlander, a Zagi THL, or the Jok'Air from Northeast Sailplanes. Whatever I buy, I will be learning on without any instruction, other than the internet, so I'm looking for something forgiving but enjoyable. Would you recommend the Zagi THL over the other two mentioned? If so, should I go ahead and buy a high start? (My area doesn't have suitable slopes) And if I launch via high start, should I add a carbon spar? Lots of questions, sorry about that. Any advice you could give would be appreciated. Thanks! Clay Meyer Jackson, MS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] My servo answers
well I don't know, but I think I have a few questions I have wondered about for a long time: When did Gourdy turn into a God? When did we elect Gourdy moderator? its so easy to contribute nothing of value, unless you are a god, in which case everything you say or every question you pose is of value. hoping to add to the discussion, oscar DS (DiSgusted) in Frankfurt today __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] The 'old' Blue ones... servos that is :-)
Important to note, the 'gears' didn't break it was that group of pins. Call it what you want. The part that broke on both in my wing-maxx servos was a tooth on the large gear of the output shaft. I would concider that a gear break. The red servos have the brittle idler shafts. Aside from a few NIB problems (which were promptly corrected) and the two gears incidents the blues have woked very well. Craig RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] twisted servo extention wire source?
I'm looking for a roll of twisted servo wiring (3 or 4 lead) to make some long aileron connections. Anyone know of a good source? Thanks, Patrick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Zagi Question
I would not try to learn on a Zagi. A Bowman's Hobbies Super Scooter or Javelin is a much more stable ship to learn on. All I have to say about the joker is ha ha ha. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
