Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
but the commander of Andrews AFB came to the conclusion that it was better to have concerned people (eyes and ears) around then not. (Especially now when are forces have been stretched so thin Andrews AFB has replaced the Air Police at the gates with civilian contract personnel). Many of the club members are military or ex-military and have security training. Eliminating the terrorist threat is unrealistic I used that same argument at Pease Tradeport but the FAA rep. didn't buy it because he flew models as a kid and knew how dangerous they were. Besides, the radios would cause interference and the planes could carry cameras. If I were interested in taking someone out via RC, I'd use one of the new jets with a true turbine, and an onboard video camera setup. At 200+ mph, I think it would be more effective. Aren't we forgetting someone still must have the skill to put such a model together and actually pilot it? Not that I'd ever fly one I prefer aerobatics and soaring to turning big loops and circles, which is just about ALL their owners do with them. Sounds suspiciously like the famous argument, to paraphrase; When they came after the power fliers I wasn't concerned because my sailplane were quit so I said nothing. Then they came after the combat models but I fly slope so I didn't protest. But when they banned all flying models it was too late because there was no one left to help me. Dennis in NH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] KUDOS for Bacus
Jim did a wonderful job, writing the Nats Review in the " Special Issue" Nats Coverage of Model Aviation. 3 Years in a row, now "SOARING" has recieved spectactular coverage, in the magazine.. Thanks Jim for your work and Well Done !! --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
Re: [RCSE] The Original Pumpkin Fly- CSS 25th anniversary
Good contest Barry. Thanks to the CSS guys for a fun Sunday. I just missed out on that DFL trophy, but won a turkey instead. See you guys at the Memorial in 2005. AJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] The 25th Annual Great Pumpkin Fly
Thanks to the Cincinnati club members for a great contest. I thoroughly enjoyed it. The weather was challenging, to say the least. It surprised me that when the contest was over there were no planes lost or even severely damaged. We got 6 rounds in both days and all went home with our planes. I really enjoy the seeded MOM (Is your Mom seedy?) format, I hope that others try it out. The turkey and trimmings were great - Big Thanks to Joe Dirr. The wobble cow that I won for not flying very long is one of my cooler trophies. It wobbles a long time and even squeeks a little - the cat even likes it. Valeta wanted me to get the pig to go with it, but my flying wasn't consistent enough. happy trails - Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Jammin' with the V. Pres
Dick Cheney flew into the Columbus area this morning. As soon as I heard about it, I repeated my GWS Tiger Moth test out behind the garage. Once again I lost throttle control at ten paces with the antenna collapsed and less than 50 paces with full antenna extension. I'll try it again in the morning, just to make sure, but this is a plane I can normally fly out of sight and have often flown in the neighborhood, including taxiing it in a 4th of July parade that goes right past the house. It is clear to me that there is a Republican conspiracy against Channel 47. At least on the Airtronics/JR shift. Tom H. NagelColumbus, OH
[RCSE] Re: Jammin' with the V. Pres
It is clear to me that there is a Republican conspiracy against = Channel 47. At least on the Airtronics/JR shift. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, OH Tom - You are being way too modest. It's obvious that you personally are the target of this vast right wing conspiracy. Remember to take your medicine. happy trails - Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
I wrote: I did not know about JAXs (trying to sell his LHS business). A shame. I thought the electrics business might keep him going... My fault as much as anyones now that I think about it a bit. I buy virtually everything online. Even with shipping it is as cheap if not cheaper and I could get -exactly- what I needed not what JAXs' wholesaler/distributor sells. Like I said on RCGroups... maybe there is no LHS business model that makes sense anymore. At least not for planes... But that is OT for here. Replies to my email please. = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Wood Crafters entry forms.
WC 05 entry forms will be mailed to WC 04 participants next week. Let the entry process begin. Mark your calendars for May 26, 27, 28, 29, 2005, AMA flying site, Muncie, IN Remember, one entry per frequency unless you team enter with a buddy on the same ch . I should know by the middle of November which ch will become available. You can see the WC 04 entry list on the Wood Crafters page of my website. Nothing but fun with woody sailplanes including aero tow for scale woodys only. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Jammin' with the V. Pres
I'm on 47, too - I think the Tom's an innocent bystander, and I'm the real target. Wait, I've said too much already. Going to Cumberland, anyone? Tom?? Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] re Jammin' with the V. President
Tom, I have it from a reliable, unnamed source that the real cause of your CH47 problems is actually the V. President's daughter! Not that there is anything wrong with it, but did you know she is a les Oh, never mind. Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: The 25th Annual Great Pumpkin Fly
Wobble cow and pigs? Queue the theme from Deliverance! That beats me in a tux at my partner's wedding in Chi-town! http://pictures.sprintpcs.com/i/41364793477_468.jpg? BTW, it's the same tux I wore for my wedding 23 years ago! Sorry I missed you guys! Rudy -- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:05:57 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The 25th Annual Great Pumpkin Fly Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The wobble cow that I won for not flying very long is one of my cooler trophies. It wobbles a long time and even squeeks a little - the cat even likes it. Valeta wanted me to get the pig to go with it, but my flying wasn't consistent enough. happy trails - Rob Glover -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
re: [RCSE] Re: Jammin\' with the V. Pres
Thank you for saying what thousands of us were thinking Rob. You as always are the highly articulate missle/explosive/really cool stuff expert always needed on this forum. Marc --- Original Message --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:41:19 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: Jammin\' with the V. Pres It is clear to me that there is a Republican conspiracy against = Channel 47. At least on the Airtronics/JR shift. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, OH Tom - You are being way too modest. It's obvious that you personally are the target of this vast right wing conspiracy. Remember to take your medicine. happy trails - Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Jammin' with the V. Pres
Rob, I think you're close, but... I also think Tom's got it wrong. Its not him and Ch47, its all of us. Its just that occasionally some of us either forget our mediciation or take the wrong color capsule. If we do that then we might hallucinate a bit, notice things that don't exist like, for example, that we seem to be in a vat of goo or that somethings interfering with our radios. Tom'll be all right once we've got him dosed up correctly, just be tolerant in the meantime. Nobody's perfect. Martin Usher It is clear to me that there is a Republican conspiracy against = Channel 47. At least on the Airtronics/JR shift. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, OH Tom - You are being way too modest. It's obvious that you personally are the target of this vast right wing conspiracy. Remember to take your medicine. happy trails - Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Thanks all, I will try to look up a couple of the shops. Tell me, how far do you have to drive to find enough open space to set-up a winch and find some thermals? I won't be able to do that this trip, but geeez things seem a bit crowded out here. John Hayes From: Jeff Gortatowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) I wrote: I did not know about JAXs (trying to sell his LHS business). A shame. I thought the electrics business might keep him going... My fault as much as anyones now that I think about it a bit. I buy virtually everything online. Even with shipping it is as cheap if not cheaper and I could get -exactly- what I needed not what JAXs' wholesaler/distributor sells. Like I said on RCGroups... maybe there is no LHS business model that makes sense anymore. At least not for planes... But that is OT for here. Replies to my email please. = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
The Harbor Soaring Society at http://www.1hss.org has a field off of Victoria. -Original Message- From: John Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area Thanks all, I will try to look up a couple of the shops. Tell me, how far do you have to drive to find enough open space to set-up a winch and find some thermals? I won't be able to do that this trip, but geeez things seem a bit crowded out here. John Hayes From: Jeff Gortatowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) I wrote: I did not know about JAXs (trying to sell his LHS business). A shame. I thought the electrics business might keep him going... My fault as much as anyones now that I think about it a bit. I buy virtually everything online. Even with shipping it is as cheap if not cheaper and I could get -exactly- what I needed not what JAXs' wholesaler/distributor sells. Like I said on RCGroups... maybe there is no LHS business model that makes sense anymore. At least not for planes... But that is OT for here. Replies to my email please. = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] The Zoom?
OK, I'm no engineer, aerodynamicist or a physicist but the question I would like to pose to the collective knowledge concerns the zoom after release from the tow line. If this has been discussed ad nausium previously, please let me know. I have seen many techniques for this period before the aircraft slows to normal airspeed. Some pull up into a vertical ascent, others climb at an angle some where between 45 and 60 degrees and others just come off the line and let the aircraft climb as if it was not piloted. I know that many factors apply, total drag of the air frame, the amount of kinetic energy at release, airfoil lift, ETC. What puzzles me is that my practical experience would indicate that if the lift vector from the airfoil is not directed upwards, one is losing the advantage to be gained from the wing moving through the air. I.E, if the vector is horizontal, the airplane is not using that force to increase the eventual launch height. This would tend to suggest that a completely vertical climb out after release is less than ideal. Flying a Sapphire with Fred Sage CGT wings for the last few years I tend toward the 45 to 60 degree profile, which seems to work reasonably well. What is the ideal profile, or is it totally dependant on the design of the specific aircraft? Mark Williams RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] The Zoom?
My suggestion is that you get a LoLo with high resolution sampling and chart out some of your launches as you try some of these things. Once you can quantitate it, you can make logical decisions. You will have to measure multiple launches, you can't just judge it on single attempts. It takes a little time to do so, but it is worth it. Of course there is a lot more to launching high before you get to the zoom, and that can be measured too. I went out and measured a bunch of my launches, and my best altitude zooms come from getting a very quick ping from the line and rapidly getting the model pointed almost vertical and then hands off the sticks (keep the model clean) until I have just barely enough energy left to push the nose back over the top. I still wish I could launch higher, more practice, just like anything else... 8-) At 09:52 PM 10/19/2004, Mark Williams wrote: What is the ideal profile, or is it totally dependant on the design of the specific aircraft? Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Visalia Pictures
From last weekend's event, the one with the real landings :-) Too bad the rain started Saturday afternoon. 4th annual CVRC Fall Aero Tow Festival http://cards.webshots.com/cp-87763226-ksLo-album/202556320frlfHj Enjoy! Frank Deichsel AMA 668278 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Rob's 25th Annual Great Pumpkin Fly
Rob Glover wrote: The wobble cow that I won for not flying very long is one of my cooler trophies. It wobbles a long time and even squeeks a little - the cat even likes it. Valeta wanted me to get the pig to go with it, but my flying wasn't consistent enough. For those of you who don't know Rob Glover's flying, he's easily one of the best thumbs in the Mid South and he's proved it plenty of times. He's been getting used to his Icon this season but this years Great Pumpkin Fly showed he's definitely bonded with it. Typical of Rob, he's soar's quietly but wobbles a big stick :-) Gordy Soaring Tullahoma this Thursday
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
From Tustin? Let us assume -moving- traffic for the moment. LOL! Less than 25 minutes down the CA 55 freeway to the I405 freeway north. On the I405 north exit Brookhurst and turn left on Brookhurst (towards the ocean). Go a few miles to the Hamilton intersection and turn left. Go to Canyon two or three lights down and turn left. Follow Canyon 2 blocks straight ahead and it dead ends at Fairview park. Setup and enjoy. There is a frequency control board there. Please use it. Please be mindful of others, like joggers, in the park as this is a public park. Everyone has a right to be there. This is a very historical site as the Harbor Soaring Society flies there every weekend and some weekdays. HSS is not what it used to be (or so I a newbie understand) but it is a nice flying site! Enjoy the ocean view. (Ignore the power plants!) LOL! --- John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all, I will try to look up a couple of the shops. Tell me, how far do you have to drive to find enough open space to set-up a winch and find some thermals? I won't be able to do that this trip, but geeez things seem a bit crowded out here. John Hayes From: Jeff Gortatowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) I wrote: I did not know about JAXs (trying to sell his LHS business). A shame. I thought the electrics business might keep him going... My fault as much as anyones now that I think about it a bit. I buy virtually everything online. Even with shipping it is as cheap if not cheaper and I could get -exactly- what I needed not what JAXs' wholesaler/distributor sells. Like I said on RCGroups... maybe there is no LHS business model that makes sense anymore. At least not for planes... But that is OT for here. Replies to my email please. = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
