[RCSE] Re: 14MZ
My JR radios have all been trouble free. Including my 10X. BUT...if I needed a new radio I would be tempted by the newest Futaba. WOW factor alone would be worth it. We are living/flying in a great place in time for RC. It's all good. -- mode1 mode1's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=12853 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=309614 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Sharon Pro 3.7m V-Tail - anyone have any construction pictures?
Hi, I was hoping someone could send me some pictures/advice of how they did the V-tail linkage on a newer Sharon Pro 3.7m V-Tail. On mine the V-tail has music wire control horns that extend down. The linkage provided for engaging the music wire is a clevis like link with a ball that can rotate. The ball has a hole that the music wire passes through. I believe other Sharon models use a more traditional ball link setup. The linkage is straightforward but a trail fit of the v-tail on the fuselage showed that the tail of the fuselage is too long and block the music wire horns. It seems like I have two options: 1) cut the fuselage back so that the 'horns' clear but expose all the linkage 2) slot the fuselage to allow the motion of the horns but this looks like it might be a little tight. I'd appreciate any feedback especially a picture or two, thanks. Regards, Russ Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: California Foam -Home Depot?
wow! Guess that's the price you pay for a year round flying season. ;} Schwemmer wrote: Lowes and Home depot in SOCal require the buyer to purchase a minimum of 500 sheets before they will fill one order. -- Len Revelle Amateur Radio N9IJ * AMA 60055 My career goal is to retire RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] California Foam- THANKS
Thanks to all for replies and suggestions and offers of help. My young genius experimenter found white foam at a local Home Depot in the bay area, which was perfect for his needs... cheap and plenty good for early cutting experiments. His over the top excitement was just too cool. Check it out: I went to home depot today. it was GREAT they only hade white foam but it was really great they had allsorts of thicknesses. I bought one that was 1 1/2 inch sheet 2 feet by 4 feet i think it was $4.50. I also got a same sized sheet but a little more then 3/4 it was like 3.50. really great prices. He had a crude flying wing cut, radio installed and gliding within a day of his finding this 'foam goldmine'. 12 years old, built his own foamcutter. Awesome. Lift, Scobie at Liftworx www.liftworx.com http://www.liftworx.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
WOW factor alone would be worth it. With all that computing power and memory, what a wonderful opportunity for Futaba to develop a truly unlimited architecture like the 4000, married to a truly elegant easy-to-use interface. However the blurb mentions 'supports 7 wing types' (groan!), which at a stroke indicates that the architecture is essentially knobbled - if a little less knobbled than last years model. As regards the programming interface, am I the only one to be underwhelmed by screen shots on Jason.net? http://www.jason.net/heli/helimain.htm Look closely, and there doesn't appear to be any clever thinking as far as the UI is concerned. The servo ATV, subtrim and rate adjustments are all scattered among different menus and the screens look as if they've been designed by a graphically challenged committee (read 'awful'). Even the relatively cheap Evo which manages to integrate all the servo adjustments in a simple, attractive screen. I fear that once the chrome and froth are stripped away, the genuine innovation lies in the transmission system and 14 fast response channels, which although technically interesting, are not of great use to the F3X flyer. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Question for Modelers Familiar w/Shellac
FlyByMike on 12-8-04 11:18 AM wrote: FWIW - Hairspray is Shellac :) -Mike What do you know, I thought hairspray was a lacquer, I assumed the nitrocellulose kind. There are other kinds of lacquer such as that referred to in my dictionary definition as made from the sap of some un-named eastern Asian tree -- new to me. A cursory bit of looking showed up references that hairsprays are lacquer or shellac. So, which of those references are out dated and which correct, probably both. Spray some on a hard slick surface, let dry, and try to dissolve with alcohol. Shellac ALWAYS dissolves in alcohol. But shellac has a very short shelf life once mixed, about 6 months, if memory serves. (This test is the standard for mix your own shellac too.) Any hairspray would have to have additives to extend its shelf life. I believe Zinsser does this with its canned shellac products to extend its shelf life to a claimed 3 years. On the other hand, how would a person wash out nitrocellulose lacquer with shampoo or put up with the vapors of lacquer thinner for that matter? If hairspray is shellac I would guess it has some modification to allow it to wash out easily, not what we want on a wood finish. Also consider Jeff Steifel's post to this thread: BTW someone did a scientific study of shellac as a water (liquid) barrier and it was only marginally inferior to polyurethane. So it can be considered a liquid barrier I don't think straight shellac hairspray would wash out well unless modified, but that is just my guess. The proof is in using the stuff and some you have obviously had success with hairspray as a balsa finish. -- Jim -- Oklahoma AMA, TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:24:54PM +0800, Jimmy Andrews wrote: | This radio system is missing something very important - immunity to | being shot down by a $50 parkflyer TX that is just around the | corner... Model Avionics had the solution, but it was snapped up by | Horizon / JR. http://www.spektrumrc.com/ Maybe Futaba wanted to | provide a built-in excuse for crashing? eh? The link you gave points to somebody who appears to be selling R/C equipment that uses the 2.4 gHz band and spread spectrum. Don't get me wrong -- I do certainly believe that spread spectrum IS the answer to a large number of the R/C interference problems (and I've been shouting this from the rooftops for a while now.) But it's not a magic bullet, and these people are doing at least some of it wrong. (But perhaps it's better to do something, even if it's not perfect, than nothing.) 1) The 2.4 gHz band is one of the noisiest bands out there. WiFi, cordless phones, video transmitters, Wireless ISPs, BPL access points (yes, the last few hundred feet of BPL Internet access is often done via WiFi), hams, leaky microwave ovens -- there's so many forms of interference here that it's not even funny. Yes, spread spectrum does tend to work even in noisy environments, especially if the noise is from other spread spectrum applications. However, many of the forms of interference I mentioned are not or are often not spread spectrum. Consider how well your WiFi works in your house with the microwave on, or while you're using your non spread spectrum 2.4 gHz cordless phone -- this could happen to your plane too. 2) The power limits on the 2.4 gHz band under the part 15 rules (which is what this equipment would fall under) are only like 250 mW or so. That's probably enough -- barely -- but wouldn't give you much extra range. With a big plane and good eyes, you could probably fly your plane out of range and still see it well enough to fly it. (of course, any noise would reduce this range further.) 3) If you're an AMA member, you've basically already agreed to fly using only the bands that the AMA has OK'd. This isn't really a big deal, but if there's an accident, they could easily use this as an excuse not to pay your claim. What we really need is 0.5 mHz or so of spectrum *dedicated* to spread spectrum R/C use (land + air, no need to seperate bands), and allowing about one watt of transmitted power. Unfortunately, we can't use the existing R/C bands, because it would interfere ith them (and the FCC regulations wouldn't permit spread spectrum there anyways), so it needs to be a new band. And since spectrum is money, it might be very hard to get. But once gotten, a standard could be drawn up (so all equipment works together) the AMA could approve it's use, and people could start making equipment to use it, and it would be wonderful -- frequency pins would be for those still using the old equipment. And people would come together in harmony, and peace would reign, people would love one another ... But doing spread spectrum on 900 mHz and 2.4 gHz (and 5.8 gHz, for that matter) for R/C plane use is pretty sketchy. People have done it, and it works, but it's a bit risky. I imagine it's fine on a car where you're never more than a few hundred feet away, but I wouldn't trust it on a plane that you might fly half a mile away. I'd really hate to lose my plane because somebody decided to reheat a burrito. Futaba does know how to make spread spectrum R/C -- most of their industrial R/C systems seem to use it already. But they can't go and do it for our R/C uses, not yet. Smaller manufacturers certainly could, and there are several options out there already, but they're going to suffer from the problems I've mentioned. But boy would it be nice if they could do it ... As for the 14MZ, `blue screens of death' are not really a big danger. WinCE is more reliable than the PC Windows, and the hardware is set in stone, so it only has to deal with one specific system, and that can be tested. Also, the 14MZ has two computers in it -- the WinCE computer, and a more standard computer that actually does the stuff you need in flight. WinCE is just used to set the options, and even if it crashed in flight, your plane would keep on flying. The other cpu is probably very similar to what's in the 9C or 9Z and is well tested. As for Multiplex doing everything before that Futaba is now catching up to, well, the 9Z (and other radios by JR and others) has done many of these things for a long time now. I don't think Multiplex was the first to put a synthesizer and a scanner into a radio -- didn't the Tracker II do it before Multiplex did? You don't have to go out and buy something from whomever did it first -- you want to buy something from somebody who did it best. Either way, there's no way I'm spending $2200 on one of these. I'd rather have a Multiplex for half the price, and even that's a bit more than I want to spend. I'll stick with my 9C
Re: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
Okay, I can't take it anymore. Futaba comes out with a new radio that utilizes excellent technology with many new features and everyone is bashing it. First of all, there are only a few people in the US that really know what this system is capable of doing. Second, the seven wing types are those that are in standard templates. Keep in mind all channels are fully mixable and you can do anything you want. Third, as has been said many times, Windows does not control the flight system only the ancillary stuff. Now, I will be willing to bet that Multiplex, Airtronics and JR will be coming out with a new super radio before long. If Multiplex would have put the 4000 in a US type case and made the programming easier I think it would have caught on. If this new system WAS from Multiplex or Airtronics most would have shorted out their keyboards from wetting themselves. I've got one of these coming and am confident it will be everything it is supposed to be and more. In the meantime I believe it would be prudent not to bash until we know more about it. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ Team Futaba - Original Message - From: Mike Shellim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas WOW factor alone would be worth it. With all that computing power and memory, what a wonderful opportunity for Futaba to develop a truly unlimited architecture like the 4000, married to a truly elegant easy-to-use interface. However the blurb mentions 'supports 7 wing types' (groan!), which at a stroke indicates that the architecture is essentially knobbled - if a little less knobbled than last years model. As regards the programming interface, am I the only one to be underwhelmed by screen shots on Jason.net? http://www.jason.net/heli/helimain.htm Look closely, and there doesn't appear to be any clever thinking as far as the UI is concerned. The servo ATV, subtrim and rate adjustments are all scattered among different menus and the screens look as if they've been designed by a graphically challenged committee (read 'awful'). Even the relatively cheap Evo which manages to integrate all the servo adjustments in a simple, attractive screen. I fear that once the chrome and froth are stripped away, the genuine innovation lies in the transmission system and 14 fast response channels, which although technically interesting, are not of great use to the F3X flyer. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
I'll bash Futaba mercilessly until they demonstrate to me that they are capable of delivering decent customer service! They owe me an apology and restitution for the stunt they pulled on me and their subsequent behavior. When they do, if they ever do, I'll give them credit for it. Until then I'll hammer them because no company with bad customer service deserves to exist! It doesn't matter how good the stuff is, if there's a problem, a good company deals with the problem and takes care of its customers. So they give you free stuff! Obviously they think that's great PR and you are going to tell the world how great they are. You can tell them that I am bad-mouthing them because of a horrible customer service experience and if you point them to me I'll be happy to tell them again. My friend John, who bought three of the crappy, useless pieces of junk from them deserves to be treated well too, as does every customer who spent money on radio systems that didn't work and couldn't be made to work! I still have the useless radios, and they are the only ones I had to stop using because they were crap and killed planes. Even my old Tower Hobbies Gold radio got used until it wore out. Anker -Original Message- From: Darwin N. Barrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:09 PM To: Mike Shellim; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas Okay, I can't take it anymore. Futaba comes out with a new radio that utilizes excellent technology with many new features and everyone is bashing it. First of all, there are only a few people in the US that really know what this system is capable of doing. Second, the seven wing types are those that are in standard templates. Keep in mind all channels are fully mixable and you can do anything you want. Third, as has been said many times, Windows does not control the flight system only the ancillary stuff. Now, I will be willing to bet that Multiplex, Airtronics and JR will be coming out with a new super radio before long. If Multiplex would have put the 4000 in a US type case and made the programming easier I think it would have caught on. If this new system WAS from Multiplex or Airtronics most would have shorted out their keyboards from wetting themselves. I've got one of these coming and am confident it will be everything it is supposed to be and more. In the meantime I believe it would be prudent not to bash until we know more about it. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ Team Futaba - Original Message - From: Mike Shellim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas WOW factor alone would be worth it. With all that computing power and memory, what a wonderful opportunity for Futaba to develop a truly unlimited architecture like the 4000, married to a truly elegant easy-to-use interface. However the blurb mentions 'supports 7 wing types' (groan!), which at a stroke indicates that the architecture is essentially knobbled - if a little less knobbled than last years model. As regards the programming interface, am I the only one to be underwhelmed by screen shots on Jason.net? http://www.jason.net/heli/helimain.htm Look closely, and there doesn't appear to be any clever thinking as far as the UI is concerned. The servo ATV, subtrim and rate adjustments are all scattered among different menus and the screens look as if they've been designed by a graphically challenged committee (read 'awful'). Even the relatively cheap Evo which manages to integrate all the servo adjustments in a simple, attractive screen. I fear that once the chrome and froth are stripped away, the genuine innovation lies in the transmission system and 14 fast response channels, which although technically interesting, are not of great use to the F3X flyer. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Futaba 9C Super Problem(one of them)
Can anyone uses a 9C Super with V-tail confirm that the same problem Futaba corrected on the 9C pop up again on the 9C Super? When using the V-tail mixer, the crow elevator compensation did not work on the 2nd half of the V-tail (normally would be the rudder channel)? -- Brian Chan, An Electric Airplane Junkie @ San Mateo.Ca.USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Sharon Pro 3.7m V-Tail - anyone have any construction pictures?
Russ, I have an older Sharon Pro 3.7 meter electric v-tail. Your description of the v-tail linkage sounds just like mine. Are the v-tail servos in the fuse? Regards, Steve From: Russ Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/13 Mon PM 11:06:35 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Sharon Pro 3.7m V-Tail - anyone have any construction pictures? Hi, I was hoping someone could send me some pictures/advice of how they did the V-tail linkage on a newer Sharon Pro 3.7m V-Tail. On mine the V-tail has music wire control horns that extend down. The linkage provided for engaging the music wire is a clevis like link with a ball that can rotate. The ball has a hole that the music wire passes through. I believe other Sharon models use a more traditional ball link setup. The linkage is straightforward but a trail fit of the v-tail on the fuselage showed that the tail of the fuselage is too long and block the music wire horns. It seems like I have two options: 1) cut the fuselage back so that the 'horns' clear but expose all the linkage 2) slot the fuselage to allow the motion of the horns but this looks like it might be a little tight. I'd appreciate any feedback especially a picture or two, thanks. Regards, Russ Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
Your trusty Tower Hobbies gold radio was a re-labeled Futaba product. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.816 / Virus Database: 554 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Where to get?
I do have the bondable #10 Teflon in stock for .05-.08 cf rod. Tailboom.com. Another source for rod aside from those previously mentioned is: http://www.continuo.com/marske/carbon/carbon.htm. They have lower minimums than Avia, better prices than ACP or CST. Rick -Original Message- From: Cal Posthuma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where to get? Carbon fiber about 1/16 solid rod in Teflon tube? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
Don't include me with everyone, I clearly stated on this forum last week that I would have nothing to say about it until I actually saw one in person. At 02:08 PM 12/14/2004, Darwin N. Barrie wrote: Okay, I can't take it anymore. Futaba comes out with a new radio that utilizes excellent technology with many new features and everyone is bashing it. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] P-38 Again
Ok, so while I'm shopping for my grandson's Christmas gift, in Wal-Mart I find this truly excellent 1/18th static scale model of one of my favorite WWII planes, the FW-190-D. Beautifully done with correct markings and correctly garbed pilot figure. So, I examine the box and find there's a series including a razor-back Thunderbolt P-47, a Spitfire, and a P-38 Lightning. BTW, the models are made in China. Now, these replicas are sold at Wal-Mart under the Motorworks label. Upon closer inspection I discovered that Motorworks is a subsidiary of Wal-Mart. On the box it says the Thunderbolt appears under license from Republic Aviation but there's no mention of a license for the P-38.After the recent Aerotech incident, I found this interesting. Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FOR SALE
Complete NIB Dodgson Designs Saber fuse kit, w/tail cores and obechi sheeting and all the hardware for $110 Mark Soaring Is Life!! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Fw: Glenn Clifton Passed Away Today
This is for all that knew Glenn. He wasourBest Friendand he will be missed. Glenn was a person whogave to everyone,his family, The club and all of it's members, his neighbors, and was loved by all. Silent Wings Soaring Association - Forwarded Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:10:58 EST Subject: Glenn Clifton Passed Away Today From Frank Corsaro Glen Clifton passed away today, Tuesday, December 12, 2004 at3:00 A.M. Graveside services will be held Saturday, December 18, 2004at 2:00 P.M.at Pomona Cemetery, 502 E. Franklin Avenue, Pomona, California. (Franklin Avenue is an East/West street in the southern part of Pomona, just north of the 60 Freeway. Towne Avenue is a north/south street east of Garey Avenue.)
Re: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas
Amen, Mike. I just don't get it. IMHO there is nothing simpler on the face of this earth than the universal model approach of the Profi 4000. It is the essence of simplicity and totally intuitive yet is incredibly flexible. Why does every radio mfgr feel compelled not to offer this mode? Perplexed, Steve From: Mike Shellim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/14 Tue PM 01:05:12 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Fut 14MZ - Same old revolutionary Multiplex ideas WOW factor alone would be worth it. With all that computing power and memory, what a wonderful opportunity for Futaba to develop a truly unlimited architecture like the 4000, married to a truly elegant easy-to-use interface. However the blurb mentions 'supports 7 wing types' (groan!), which at a stroke indicates that the architecture is essentially knobbled - if a little less knobbled than last years model. As regards the programming interface, am I the only one to be underwhelmed by screen shots on Jason.net? http://www.jason.net/heli/helimain.htm Look closely, and there doesn't appear to be any clever thinking as far as the UI is concerned. The servo ATV, subtrim and rate adjustments are all scattered among different menus and the screens look as if they've been designed by a graphically challenged committee (read 'awful'). Even the relatively cheap Evo which manages to integrate all the servo adjustments in a simple, attractive screen. I fear that once the chrome and froth are stripped away, the genuine innovation lies in the transmission system and 14 fast response channels, which although technically interesting, are not of great use to the F3X flyer. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Lil' Help
Hey Y'all Looking for square carbon joiners for a three piece wing. Around 5 degrees would be nice. I remember Gordy writing something about it. Maybe for the PIKE. It's for a building project and I have to make the boxes anyway, so, size doesn't matter. TIA Bob RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
