Re: [RCSE] "The heck with World F3B Wins, DP gets last 2m award"
Gordy gets it part right (again). The Hi Johnson trophy is an AMA award for the highest single score at the Soaring Nats. AMA used to run the events with all classes flown each day (you built a 2M, 100" and an unlimited plane every day) and flew a couple rounds of each class daily. This resulted in each class flying the same number of rounds, and the Hi Johnson awarded the single highest point score of the classes. With the advent of splitting the classes into day slots and the demise of the 100" Standard Class, we are now able to fly more rounds of 2M than Unlimited due to the difference in the number of pilots. LSF approached AMA last week about how to go about changing the criteria for the award to something more in keeping with the original intent of the Hi Johnson trophy. After a short conversation, a process was adopted and I will draft a letter asking to revise the criteria so the award is independent of the number of rounds flown in each class. This was what I meant at the workers banquet when I said Daryl won the last Hi Johnson 2M Award, not that anything was changing as relates to 2M at the Nats. Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President & Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale--Picolario Variometer
I've got a Picolario variometer for sale. Included are the receiver with earphone and TEK nozzle for cross or t-tail. More info on the Picolario can be found at http://www.picolario-usa.com/ . Asking $375 plus shipping. Thanks for your time. Dan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale--RnR SB-XC
I have an RnR Products SB-XC cross country ship for sale for a friend. Included are JR servos for all control surfaces, a 6 volt sealed lead acid (SLA) battery with charger, and wooden carrying box. The plane is white with brown trim on the tips and black bottoms. There is a cosmetic ding at the inner part of one wing tip panel that has been reinforced internally with carbon. This plane will be RTF with your receiver. Asking $900 with local pickup in southern California. Can be shipped if necessary but will be fairly expensive due to the 7' long box. See more specs at http://www.rnrproducts.com/airframes/gliders/xbxc.htm . Pictures will be available upon request. Thanks for your time. Dan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paging Troy
No... I'm not looking for a Duck... Troy, can you ping me back with contact numbers please? Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
Another way to look at it is if you throw enough ducks at a problem, you'll find one that works. I'm happy that everyone else likes to fly Ducks. tony estep wrote: From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would take note that the Organic was "the" 2m ship prior to this year. At the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M Duck. The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them here. == Yep, agreed. The Organic was the best design that was readily available. But despite the maximum difficulty of getting a Duck (I saw a used one for sale for $1000), many top pilots have gravitated to it since it first appeared, because it has the right design to win 2M. That's what's interesting to me. Its low AR, fairly high wing loading, and high operating CL are all at the opposite end of the spectrum from the current fashion in Unlimited, where light planes with long, skinny, thin-section wings flying at low coefficient of lift are appearing all over the place. I guess it proves that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8021
Wanted: Servo mounts for Futaba 3150. Jim - Original Message - From: "Soaring" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Soaring V1 #8021 SoaringSun, 30 Jul 2006 Volume 1 : Number 8021 In this issue: Re: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments -- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:56:24 -0500 From: "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marc Gellart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marc, I haven't given any thought about what problems the following idea might create, but I can give a whole list of problems it will solve: LSF stand on it's own four thousand plus feet and hold it's own Nationals ... create it's own event schedule ... the way it use to be before it went SIG with AMA. It's the product that counts. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Marc Gellart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Ronald Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View Much like Jim, here I sit on Sunday AM, and am pretty much wiped out. I stayed and flew a day of electric soaring just to be proved horsepower is everything in their world, even in "stock events", but still tried anyway. It has gotten very hot here since yesterday and that with the fact that the Soaring Nats is done, means this will be a slow Sunday. There was good and bad at the Nats for me, the Level V finish was obviously the high point, and is a high point for my entire soaring life. But from the context of being the Event Director, these points stand out; The Good: The greatest volunteers in the world, many will bring specific names, but just as Jim noted, these are folks that come in many cases selflessly and just help, do not fly, and make the event work. I worry that there are not enough of these folks out there in our future though. I had a note from a gentleman that really is not a hard core contest guy, but comes down for a day or two evey year, and had not ever been to the TD part, and was amazed at how smooth the contest runs. Great contestants! Gordy, well...;') The smooth flow of the contest, which I attribute primarily to Marna Jefferies. Marna has the impound down to an art and I cannot imagine that anywhere there is a better system than what she has developed for the Nats. Marna and Larry will be helping at the Masters, which is great. Scoring was rock solid, Robin Meeks and Barb Stieflel made that fly and I know that Robin is helping at the Master's as well and F3B trials. Having a reliable scorer and system is absolute in MOM. Flight line and landing zones, Larry, Jim and Marti, your guys were on the ball and that was a non worry in my mind. It looks simple, but the knowledge that these men have is through the roof, and it takes it. Sarah, handled the trolls and retrieval, no fuss no muss. Another worry off my table. The fact that the two possible cases that serious personnal injury could have occurred, no one was. One gentlemen was scared to death though and luckily only scathed, anyone that would have faced what he did would have been. One note, when it is windy at any contest, let someone throw for you when you are not confident in the situation, period. AMA's support of our event was stellar, Ron Morgan and Al Williamson, and the AMA Maintenence crews were their usual tremendous support of LSF. Also Dave Brown, he is who greased the AMA's part of the winch deal personnally and there was no hesitation on his part, if we had it figured out, he would support it on his end no questios asked. I have many feelings, some good and bad about Mr. Brown, but he came through for the LSF here big. Finally, our new friend Amy who works for AMA, she was a great help. Everyone should thank Tom Kallevang for all the work he has done, is doing, and will do for LSF. He busts his arse for the organization as no one I have ever seen. We are lucky we have him. Again, the volunteers! Fliers coming to the flight line prepared, from what I saw, folks did a good job here Minimum of line breaks in some very heavy winds, 15-20 mph, which can be done pretty easily today. Thanks go to the fliers. I did not hear a single gripe about Nostalgia not being flown. Having the wind stay southwest for five straight days (which almost never happens), made our life much simpler. The weather as a whole allowed almost non stop flying, and that is always a plus. Now, that is not to say it did not make it tough. Did I mention the volunteers? Ah, yes I did! The Bad: The AC power that we have grown to rely
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
Ask Don Stackhouse about why a Duck works. It will fry his cork. Actually, Mr Reynolds gets very happy with a Duck, and the empty weight is only about 40 ounces and some even less. I think that it fools the air into thinking it is something that is much larger. And yes, a complete Duck ready to go is in the $1000 range, kind of nuts, but for those of that taste, it works well. Marc - Original Message - From: "tony estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RCSE" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would take note that the Organic was "the" 2m ship prior to this year. At the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M Duck. The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them here. == Yep, agreed. The Organic was the best design that was readily available. But despite the maximum difficulty of getting a Duck (I saw a used one for sale for $1000), many top pilots have gravitated to it since it first appeared, because it has the right design to win 2M. That's what's interesting to me. Its low AR, fairly high wing loading, and high operating CL are all at the opposite end of the spectrum from the current fashion in Unlimited, where light planes with long, skinny, thin-section wings flying at low coefficient of lift are appearing all over the place. I guess it proves that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 2M at the Nats-The Ships Flown
I think many of you are missing the essence of Daryl's win at this year's Nats. Yes, he was flying a borrowed Duck, and he won. Does this say anything about the plane? No! The only thing that it proved is that it was strong enough to survive the edge of the envelope style of flying that DP practices. This kind of reminds me of a contest at Pasadena a number of years ago when JW won 2M with an EPP foam DAW TG-3. HE took great delight after the contest in bouncing the thing off the ground and trying to get it to bounce into a nearby trashcan. What does this really tell us? Simple, the best pilot will win, regardless of what he is flying. He will make the right decisions at the right time, will optimize the conditions given the plane he is flying, and will land accurately. Reading any more into what plane who flew only tells you about the particular pilot fancies in a plane. And many of what were at any particular contest is only a measure of availability, not inherant quality. I like the Duck design, and flew them for a years while I lived in Michigan. Is it the ultimate 2M? Who knows, and more importantly, why does it matter? Learn to fly what you have and you will be more successful, if contest performance is your measuring stick of choice. Jim Thomas, recovering Flight Line Director RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Not at the NAT's but will be at F3B Team Select, how about you?
I can tell you last week was a bummer for me as it was the first nats I missed in a long time. Reading the various reports is both good and bad, good because the team sounds like they did their normal fantastic job and bad because of the envy I have for the people who were there and I wasn't. I lost both my UNL ships in two weeks prior to the event and never enter two meter (which is why I have been the 2M CD for the last couple of years). That was the main reason, Nostalgia not being there was another- I guess I could have come for RES but without an AVA type plane, it did not seem worth the effort and cost for one day of playing around. That being said, I really missed it and if all goes well will be back next year if for nothing other than to be there. It is a great group of people to be with for a week.As some of you know I will be CD for the F3B team select this year (24-27 AU) and am putting out another plea for some of those of you that can to be volunteers for that great event, it is nothing like the NAT's and a lot of work, but is so important for our country. We will select the people that repesent the USA in F3B at the next World Championships. Working there is not an easy chore because we do not have a cast of seasoned workers like the NAT's, but it is oh so rewarding. Unlike the Nat's with the great cast of volunteers, the TS usually relys on it's own pilots to do a lot of the work which is really kind of low class in my mind, these people have a lot to do just to compete and to ask them to do a lot of the chores is just not right. I know gas is high and motels are high and everything else is high but please give up something you really don't need and only want to come and help. Let me know if you can be part of the group that selects our World competitors. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED].Thanks for the bandwidth-- Jack IafretHome and Hobbies
[RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
I've got a NIB Super V 2M Kit I'd consider selling. It comes with spyder foam cores, glass fuse, carbon and FG to bag everything. This is/was the hottest 2M of its time. I'd consider bagging the wing and tail for you but I can't guarantee how long it would take me to get it done. $350 for the kit or $550 bagged RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would take note that the Organic was "the" 2m ship prior to this year. At the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M Duck. The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them here. == Yep, agreed. The Organic was the best design that was readily available. But despite the maximum difficulty of getting a Duck (I saw a used one for sale for $1000), many top pilots have gravitated to it since it first appeared, because it has the right design to win 2M. That's what's interesting to me. Its low AR, fairly high wing loading, and high operating CL are all at the opposite end of the spectrum from the current fashion in Unlimited, where light planes with long, skinny, thin-section wings flying at low coefficient of lift are appearing all over the place. I guess it proves that in theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View
Marc, I haven't given any thought about what problems the following idea might create, but I can give a whole list of problems it will solve: LSF stand on it's own four thousand plus feet and hold it's own Nationals ... create it's own event schedule ... the way it use to be before it went SIG with AMA. It's the product that counts. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: "Marc Gellart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "Ronald Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View > Much like Jim, here I sit on Sunday AM, and am pretty much wiped out. I > stayed and flew a day of electric soaring just to be proved horsepower is > everything in their world, even in "stock events", but still tried anyway. > It has gotten very hot here since yesterday and that with the fact that the > Soaring Nats is done, means this will be a slow Sunday. > > There was good and bad at the Nats for me, the Level V finish was obviously > the high point, and is a high point for my entire soaring life. But from > the context of being the Event Director, these points stand out; > > The Good: > The greatest volunteers in the world, many will bring specific names, but > just as Jim noted, these are folks that come in many cases selflessly and > just help, do not fly, and make the event work. I worry that there are not > enough of these folks out there in our future though. I had a note from a > gentleman that really is not a hard core contest guy, but comes down for a > day or two evey year, and had not ever been to the TD part, and was amazed > at how smooth the contest runs. > > Great contestants! Gordy, well...;') > > The smooth flow of the contest, which I attribute primarily to Marna > Jefferies. Marna has the impound down to an art and I cannot imagine that > anywhere there is a better system than what she has developed for the Nats. > Marna and Larry will be helping at the Masters, which is great. > > Scoring was rock solid, Robin Meeks and Barb Stieflel made that fly and I > know that Robin is helping at the Master's as well and F3B trials. Having a > reliable scorer and system is absolute in MOM. > > Flight line and landing zones, Larry, Jim and Marti, your guys were on the > ball and that was a non worry in my mind. It looks simple, but the > knowledge that these men have is through the roof, and it takes it. > > Sarah, handled the trolls and retrieval, no fuss no muss. Another worry off > my table. > > The fact that the two possible cases that serious personnal injury could > have occurred, no one was. One gentlemen was scared to death though and > luckily only scathed, anyone that would have faced what he did would have > been. One note, when it is windy at any contest, let someone throw for you > when you are not confident in the situation, period. > > AMA's support of our event was stellar, Ron Morgan and Al Williamson, and > the AMA Maintenence crews were their usual tremendous support of LSF. Also > Dave Brown, he is who greased the AMA's part of the winch deal personnally > and there was no hesitation on his part, if we had it figured out, he would > support it on his end no questios asked. I have many feelings, some good > and bad about Mr. Brown, but he came through for the LSF here big. Finally, > our new friend Amy who works for AMA, she was a great help. > > Everyone should thank Tom Kallevang for all the work he has done, is doing, > and will do for LSF. He busts his arse for the organization as no one I > have ever seen. We are lucky we have him. > > Again, the volunteers! > > Fliers coming to the flight line prepared, from what I saw, folks did a good > job here > > Minimum of line breaks in some very heavy winds, 15-20 mph, which can be > done pretty easily today. Thanks go to the fliers. > > I did not hear a single gripe about Nostalgia not being flown. > > Having the wind stay southwest for five straight days (which almost never > happens), made our life much simpler. > > The weather as a whole allowed almost non stop flying, and that is always a > plus. Now, that is not to say it did not make it tough. > > Did I mention the volunteers? Ah, yes I did! > > The Bad: > The AC power that we have grown to rely on for our flight line charger > system power was lost for the week. And really for no reason other than > someone did not check it in a timely fashion prior to the contest from AMA. > We did have power for our scoring trailer and sound systems as usual, but we > had to use a generator on the flight line(which did the job and was a very > quiet unit). In many ways, it might actually be the better way to go, more > analysis later. > > Small flight groups. There were times that we had flight groups of 4 or 5, > and that is way too small. This all eminates from how many we allow on > frequencies per event and the fact that up through the '06 event, we on
Re: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View
Marc, You did good. No need to feel badly as you have a lot of talented folks helping out. I missed NOS but having a full day to RES was a good pay off. I have been waiting years for it. Maybe we can have NOS on alternate years to replace XC and scale? Although I'd love to see XC every year too. I like the free form way of contesting in XC and trying to fly as much as you can instead of flying a task of time and a landing. Mark Miller - Original Message From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: soaring@airage.com Cc: Ronald Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:33:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View Much like Jim, here I sit on Sunday AM, and am pretty much wiped out. I stayed and flew a day of electric soaring just to be proved horsepower is everything in their world, even in "stock events", but still tried anyway. It has gotten very hot here since yesterday and that with the fact that the Soaring Nats is done, means this will be a slow Sunday. There was good and bad at the Nats for me, the Level V finish was obviously the high point, and is a high point for my entire soaring life. But from the context of being the Event Director, these points stand out; The Good: The greatest volunteers in the world, many will bring specific names, but just as Jim noted, these are folks that come in many cases selflessly and just help, do not fly, and make the event work. I worry that there are not enough of these folks out there in our future though. I had a note from a gentleman that really is not a hard core contest guy, but comes down for a day or two evey year, and had not ever been to the TD part, and was amazed at how smooth the contest runs. Great contestants! Gordy, well...;') The smooth flow of the contest, which I attribute primarily to Marna Jefferies. Marna has the impound down to an art and I cannot imagine that anywhere there is a better system than what she has developed for the Nats. Marna and Larry will be helping at the Masters, which is great. Scoring was rock solid, Robin Meeks and Barb Stieflel made that fly and I know that Robin is helping at the Master's as well and F3B trials. Having a reliable scorer and system is absolute in MOM. Flight line and landing zones, Larry, Jim and Marti, your guys were on the ball and that was a non worry in my mind. It looks simple, but the knowledge that these men have is through the roof, and it takes it. Sarah, handled the trolls and retrieval, no fuss no muss. Another worry off my table. The fact that the two possible cases that serious personnal injury could have occurred, no one was. One gentlemen was scared to death though and luckily only scathed, anyone that would have faced what he did would have been. One note, when it is windy at any contest, let someone throw for you when you are not confident in the situation, period. AMA's support of our event was stellar, Ron Morgan and Al Williamson, and the AMA Maintenence crews were their usual tremendous support of LSF. Also Dave Brown, he is who greased the AMA's part of the winch deal personnally and there was no hesitation on his part, if we had it figured out, he would support it on his end no questios asked. I have many feelings, some good and bad about Mr. Brown, but he came through for the LSF here big. Finally, our new friend Amy who works for AMA, she was a great help. Everyone should thank Tom Kallevang for all the work he has done, is doing, and will do for LSF. He busts his arse for the organization as no one I have ever seen. We are lucky we have him. Again, the volunteers! Fliers coming to the flight line prepared, from what I saw, folks did a good job here Minimum of line breaks in some very heavy winds, 15-20 mph, which can be done pretty easily today. Thanks go to the fliers. I did not hear a single gripe about Nostalgia not being flown. Having the wind stay southwest for five straight days (which almost never happens), made our life much simpler. The weather as a whole allowed almost non stop flying, and that is always a plus. Now, that is not to say it did not make it tough. Did I mention the volunteers? Ah, yes I did! The Bad: The AC power that we have grown to rely on for our flight line charger system power was lost for the week. And really for no reason other than someone did not check it in a timely fashion prior to the contest from AMA. We did have power for our scoring trailer and sound systems as usual, but we had to use a generator on the flight line(which did the job and was a very quiet unit). In many ways, it might actually be the better way to go, more analysis later. Small flight groups. There were times that we had flight groups of 4 or 5, and that is way too small. This all eminates from how many we allow on frequencies per event and the fact that up through the '06 event, we only manage channels in a minimal way.
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
Tony, I would take note that the Organic was "the" 2m ship prior to this year. At the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M Duck. The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them here. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
Just a couple of comments from Chucks post. First, the landing spot was dangerously close to the safety line. There is no reason for the spot to be closer than 25 feet from the safety line. The distance use to be more and had been shortened a number of years ago, three I think. Yours was the first comment to question the safety I heard. I think that all week we only had two ships over and a few in the fence, no personnal contact happened in any case. Second, the landing spots were not directly behind the corresponding winch. This is more of a problem for me since I started using a cane to walk on uneven ground. On the last round of RES, I launched from a winch on the left site of the tent and my landing spot was on the other side. Walking that far while trying to fly my model was difficult. This set up has been the norm for years and years, at least at Muncie, and the first year it was a lot more of a walk. I am not sure if there is anyway to change the orientations we have to change this. The only way I can see makes more of a walk to the winches for fliers and still the winch line and landing line will never be the same length to allow direct access, so someone is going to walk. Also, the crew tent is there too, and those folks need the cover from the sun at a minimum, and that causes folks a indirect walk too. I know in your case it is not easy, but we tried our best to cart you out and back to help you as much as possible. Third, we need to allow late entry if there is an open frequency. I know of at least two people who would have entered RES if they could have entered after they arrived for Unlimited. I used late entry to fly in several Nats before I retired. I I had no trouble getting time off to fly contest except when I had a test in the wind tunnel. In 1983, I didn't enter because I had a long test scheduled just before the test and I didn't know if I would be finished in time to drive to Springfield, Massitutes. At noon on Friday before the Soaring event started, I realized that If I worked late I could finish the final report by noon on Saturday. I left Tullahoma at noon on Saturday and drove to Springfield arriving just before the 4 PM Sunday late entry deadline. Flying started the next morning and I was able to enter 2-meter, Standard, and Unlimited. We flew all three classes each day and I actually won a trophy in 2-meter. Since the flight order is computer generated, there is no reason we couldn't allow late entry and raise a little more money with late entry fees. Chuck, I will nearly quote Marna from Sat. AM during electric, "Thank goodness we have no late entries cause all devil happens when it is." The way we operate, in the MOM format, late entries will never be allowed in the foreseeable future, just not possible. Our entries are open for 5 full months, and the dates known for most years the early fall before, it seems most can plan ahead and get entries in on time. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Martin Cup
And so will my next club contest since Cody and Joseph are both members of RMSA! Tom Gressman
[RCSE] Minor 2006 observations
Here are some more, less notable, but still interesting observations from the 2006 NATS: * Neat experiment - attempts at HLG-sized XC. Looks like both fun and a challenge. Next time why not resort to the round-the-AMA property course used by the scale guys? * Wretched excess - A Piccalario installed in Steve Meyer's vintage 2M Wanderer. Come on, Steve, the original Wanderer kit cost less than 5% of today's price for the "Pic". * An eagle among falcons - Joe Aldrich's Bird of Time - Built from an original Dynaflite kit, Joe flew this plane like a true RES during the breezy Unlimited Event. And, the BOT had NO ballast! * Best sailplane names - Stew Swanson's 2M "Allegro Like" and his unlimited "KLAM" (Kinda Like A Mantis). Keep 'em coming, Stew. * Closest shave - Jack Strother's Gonzo pilot's escape from the scale sailplane versus high-line tower incident. Surely "Gonzo" deserves another scale ship to pilot? *Cheap fun - Reggie Sewell's 2 Meter entry, a Great Planes' 2M "Fling". Reggie was even sorta, kinda, nearly zooming this inexpensive stock ARF and even placed just above Cap'n Jack's orange Duck. Submitted with a tad less respect, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
Just a few more thoughts on the Nats. I agree with everything Jim and Marc said. This was the smoothest Nats I have attended and I have been to a lot of them. I flew my first Nats at the old SOAR Nats in 1974 and have not missed one since except when my job prevented me from getting off long enough and I haven't missed a one since I retired. I do have a couple of minor complaints. First, the landing spot was dangerously close to the safety line. There is no reason for the spot to be closer than 25 feet from the safety line. Second, the landing spots were not directly behind the corresponding winch. This is more of a problem for me since I started using a cane to walk on uneven ground. On the last round of RES, I launched from a winch on the left site of the tent and my landing spot was on the other side. Walking that far while trying to fly my model was difficult. Third, we need to allow late entry if there is an open frequency. I know of at least two people who would have entered RES if they could have entered after they arrived for Unlimited. I used late entry to fly in several Nats before I retired. I I had no trouble getting time off to fly contest except when I had a test in the wind tunnel. In 1983, I didn't enter because I had a long test scheduled just before the test and I didn't know if I would be finished in time to drive to Springfield, Massitutes. At noon on Friday before the Soaring event started, I realized that If I worked late I could finish the final report by noon on Saturday. I left Tullahoma at noon on Saturday and drove to Springfield arriving just before the 4 PM Sunday late entry deadline. Flying started the next morning and I was able to enter 2-meter, Standard, and Unlimited. We flew all three classes each day and I actually won a trophy in 2-meter. Since the flight order is computer generated, there is no reason we couldn't allow late entry and raise a little more money with late entry fees. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Martin Cup
Original Message From: Jeff Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cody Remington 2nd (Junior) Joe Newcomb 4th (Junior) With 2 juniors in the top 5 the world will have a tough time in the future -- Ya know, that is really a great sign for our sport. The U.S. also has some strong Junior flyers, but we need more. It would be a great sight to see a bunch of kids march up to the podium in our big contests. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View
Marc, We have had our differences, but if anyone attacks you for your commitment to your job their a fool! As for your lack of attention to the Nat's during that time, WTF you were their and did one H#!! of a job!!! You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. As for NOS, I think the turn out for RES was weakened by it not being at the Nat's. I also believe the reason you didn't hear any groaning about it not being flown is that everyone was to busy trying to concentrate on the task at hand. The LSF needs to be flexible this we know but please don't miss interpret the lack of complaints as a willingness to let it die. Harry De Boer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
Jim, Speaking for myself and probably all the other flyers attending the Nats, those of us that enjoy competition at the Nats level are very lucky you are there, Directing and working the flight line year after year. Here is a big thank you for your part in the Nats. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats > I just got back from another week at the Nats and want to share a few of my thoughts. Nothing about who did what in which event, the ever-changing Muncie weather, etc. but more about some of the background stuff. > > AMA has provided a first class site. The field was in great shape and has matured into a wonderful venue to hold the Nats. My only complaint is the schedule shift that caused hand launch to move to the leading Friday, and the prospect of more schedule shifting in the future. The lack of a regular, fixed set of dates makes it very difficult for the 100+ competitors that come to the Nats to plan, and having events across two weeks makes it tough for working types that have to use vacation to participate. > > Nostalgia was not flown this year. I hope this doesn't become the next casualty event. Time was found for XC and Scale aerotow, even though Scale aerotow only had a handful of participants. Doesn't the history and evolution of modern soaring deserve better than half a day once every two or three years? > > I can't say that I personally like what RES has evolved into. Its now an event for hand launch airplanes on steroids (the AVADannySoprano and clones). The older, traditional RES planes "compete" at a serious disadvantage. > > The new winches provided by the hard work of the LSF working with AMA were fabulous. They are McAnn (sp?) winch kits, with first class foot switches, turnarounds, etc. The Real Balls bearing ends were recovered from the old winches and installed on the new ones. A couple of brushes were burned during the week, but overall they worked very well. > > My heroes of the Nats. Everyone hears the names of the people that run the various work areas (impound, flight line, scoring, etc.) at the pilots meeting and banquest. There are lots of others that really make the event work. Six really impressed me this year, three in impound whose names I never learned, one in scoring, and two in my area at the flight line. The impound folks who worked with Marna tirelessly and skillfully got the transmitters into groups, kept the flow of pilots moving, and checked everything back in to do it again. In scoring was a lovely lady by the name of Barb Steifel. She has been at the Nats supporting her husband Jeff for years. She always is working, either at impound or this year, in scoring. At the flight line Brent Hoover has been coming for years and spends almost all of his non-flying time helping tap lines, fix lines, setting up and tearing down. This year he also took over running the line when all of the primary flight line directors were > not available. Tom Koszuota is another who showed up for the first time 3 or 4 years ago and offered to help. Now he is flying the events and has become a regular out on the flight line working whenever he isn't flying. These 6 people are my Nats heroes, they are the ones that make it a priviledge and a pleasure to keep going back and spending my Nats vacation week working the flight line and supporting the Nats. We need more of these selfless individuals who are willing to work without complaint, simply because it is there and needs to be done. > > Jim Thomas, tired Flight Line Director > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View
Much like Jim, here I sit on Sunday AM, and am pretty much wiped out. I stayed and flew a day of electric soaring just to be proved horsepower is everything in their world, even in "stock events", but still tried anyway. It has gotten very hot here since yesterday and that with the fact that the Soaring Nats is done, means this will be a slow Sunday. There was good and bad at the Nats for me, the Level V finish was obviously the high point, and is a high point for my entire soaring life. But from the context of being the Event Director, these points stand out; The Good: The greatest volunteers in the world, many will bring specific names, but just as Jim noted, these are folks that come in many cases selflessly and just help, do not fly, and make the event work. I worry that there are not enough of these folks out there in our future though. I had a note from a gentleman that really is not a hard core contest guy, but comes down for a day or two evey year, and had not ever been to the TD part, and was amazed at how smooth the contest runs. Great contestants! Gordy, well...;') The smooth flow of the contest, which I attribute primarily to Marna Jefferies. Marna has the impound down to an art and I cannot imagine that anywhere there is a better system than what she has developed for the Nats. Marna and Larry will be helping at the Masters, which is great. Scoring was rock solid, Robin Meeks and Barb Stieflel made that fly and I know that Robin is helping at the Master's as well and F3B trials. Having a reliable scorer and system is absolute in MOM. Flight line and landing zones, Larry, Jim and Marti, your guys were on the ball and that was a non worry in my mind. It looks simple, but the knowledge that these men have is through the roof, and it takes it. Sarah, handled the trolls and retrieval, no fuss no muss. Another worry off my table. The fact that the two possible cases that serious personnal injury could have occurred, no one was. One gentlemen was scared to death though and luckily only scathed, anyone that would have faced what he did would have been. One note, when it is windy at any contest, let someone throw for you when you are not confident in the situation, period. AMA's support of our event was stellar, Ron Morgan and Al Williamson, and the AMA Maintenence crews were their usual tremendous support of LSF. Also Dave Brown, he is who greased the AMA's part of the winch deal personnally and there was no hesitation on his part, if we had it figured out, he would support it on his end no questios asked. I have many feelings, some good and bad about Mr. Brown, but he came through for the LSF here big. Finally, our new friend Amy who works for AMA, she was a great help. Everyone should thank Tom Kallevang for all the work he has done, is doing, and will do for LSF. He busts his arse for the organization as no one I have ever seen. We are lucky we have him. Again, the volunteers! Fliers coming to the flight line prepared, from what I saw, folks did a good job here Minimum of line breaks in some very heavy winds, 15-20 mph, which can be done pretty easily today. Thanks go to the fliers. I did not hear a single gripe about Nostalgia not being flown. Having the wind stay southwest for five straight days (which almost never happens), made our life much simpler. The weather as a whole allowed almost non stop flying, and that is always a plus. Now, that is not to say it did not make it tough. Did I mention the volunteers? Ah, yes I did! The Bad: The AC power that we have grown to rely on for our flight line charger system power was lost for the week. And really for no reason other than someone did not check it in a timely fashion prior to the contest from AMA. We did have power for our scoring trailer and sound systems as usual, but we had to use a generator on the flight line(which did the job and was a very quiet unit). In many ways, it might actually be the better way to go, more analysis later. Small flight groups. There were times that we had flight groups of 4 or 5, and that is way too small. This all eminates from how many we allow on frequencies per event and the fact that up through the '06 event, we only manage channels in a minimal way. In my mind, the future is here and we need to: 1. Tweak the number of entries/frequency/event to better allow smooth flow, i.e. HL 1, TD events 2-3 dependent on entries, RES 2 for example. 2. Ask entrants for listings of requested frequencies, or if they are frequency mobile (synth), and then frquency allocation is done at the end of registration for the event to allow that even distribution of entrants over the frequencies. Barry, do not freak out...The goal in my book is an even distribution of fliers over all the frquencies and thus a flight matrix that is sending groups of 8-10 out to the flight line for every round. Our slot time in the Nats, we re
Re: [RCSE] Stop watch Help.
Jack, Go to this link and then go to the accessories page and scroll down. http://www.f3x.com/ or go to here http://www.kennedycomposites.com/ and then go to the accessories page. Both guys are great supporters of the hobby and excellent to do business with. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: [RCSE] Stop watch Help. Hi Folks ! I spent the week at the Nats. without my trusty Lil Black Cronos Stop Watch. as it turns out, it has been liberated from my possession. (OUCH) the Radio Shack variety of stop watches just do not get it. I need Links or contacts as to acquiring a replacement. TIA CJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Rudder Stalls and turns.
Ok, I have received a few answers, I want to thank everyone for the answers... Amazing all this time and I have never understood how the rudder is supposed to work Thanks again...On 7/28/06, Jay Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am trying to figure out if my rudder turns are accurate. I think I am experienceing rudder stalls with my photon, from either too much deflection or from holding the deflection too long. In other word do I ever want the rudder to cause my plane to roll? Can someone explain to me what a rudderstall is and how to prevent it? Should all rudder turns remain flat? Also is a roll a rudder stall of sorts? Thanks, Jay
RE: [RCSE] Stopwatch Help... I got it.. Thanks !!
Well share DA*# it!! LOL -Original Message- From: Jack Strother [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:58 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Stopwatch Help... I got it.. Thanks !! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Stopwatch Help... I got it.. Thanks !!
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Stop watch Help.
Hi Folks ! I spent the week at the Nats. without my trusty Lil Black Cronos Stop Watch. as it turns out, it has been liberated from my possession. (OUCH) the Radio Shack variety of stop watches just do not get it. I need Links or contacts as to acquiring a replacement. TIA CJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Martin Cup
I just saw the final results Joe Wurts 1st Cody Remington 2nd (Junior) Joe Newcomb 4th (Junior) Arend Borst 11th Canada Tom Kesing 12th It looks like he had a bad final round. With 2 juniors in the top 5 the world will have a tough time in the future Jeff RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Didn't we send a team of guys somewhere this week?"
Cody Remington was also in the Top 10. 2 of the juniors were in the Top 10. I had Cody on my Team during the trials. A very good stick. Joe Newcombe has eagle eyes. I wish I still had them. Jim Monaco was in the 25th 26th spot. He is the team manager. By the scores the competion is very tight Jeff On 7/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just wondering if anyone has heard anything. Must not be much to report. The official site has scores for the Martin Cup posted (pre event) and it looks like Arendt Borst bested JW by a point or two. Tom K was in the top 5, Phil Barnes did a really good job and Joe Newcomb is up in there too. http://www.rcmklub.sk/wcf3j2006/dnld.php?fname=./download/martincup_preliminary_rounds.pdf I know its not the Nationals or MidSouth Soaring Champs but pretty interesting in any case:-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
JT. I echo your comments, all the volunteers did a great job. I would also like to add one more name to the list. Don Richmond in addition to all the time put into the news letter was also available to help anyone with virtually any problem. My hardy thanks to all that put the running of the Nat's before there own requirements. Ed Whyte WHYTE WINGS 7207 Cornerstone Drive Caledonia, MI 49316-7879 616 698 8668 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats > I just got back from another week at the Nats and want to share a few of my thoughts. Nothing about who did what in which event, the ever-changing Muncie weather, etc. but more about some of the background stuff. > > AMA has provided a first class site. The field was in great shape and has matured into a wonderful venue to hold the Nats. My only complaint is the schedule shift that caused hand launch to move to the leading Friday, and the prospect of more schedule shifting in the future. The lack of a regular, fixed set of dates makes it very difficult for the 100+ competitors that come to the Nats to plan, and having events across two weeks makes it tough for working types that have to use vacation to participate. > > Nostalgia was not flown this year. I hope this doesn't become the next casualty event. Time was found for XC and Scale aerotow, even though Scale aerotow only had a handful of participants. Doesn't the history and evolution of modern soaring deserve better than half a day once every two or three years? > > I can't say that I personally like what RES has evolved into. Its now an event for hand launch airplanes on steroids (the AVADannySoprano and clones). The older, traditional RES planes "compete" at a serious disadvantage. > > The new winches provided by the hard work of the LSF working with AMA were fabulous. They are McAnn (sp?) winch kits, with first class foot switches, turnarounds, etc. The Real Balls bearing ends were recovered from the old winches and installed on the new ones. A couple of brushes were burned during the week, but overall they worked very well. > > My heroes of the Nats. Everyone hears the names of the people that run the various work areas (impound, flight line, scoring, etc.) at the pilots meeting and banquest. There are lots of others that really make the event work. Six really impressed me this year, three in impound whose names I never learned, one in scoring, and two in my area at the flight line. The impound folks who worked with Marna tirelessly and skillfully got the transmitters into groups, kept the flow of pilots moving, and checked everything back in to do it again. In scoring was a lovely lady by the name of Barb Steifel. She has been at the Nats supporting her husband Jeff for years. She always is working, either at impound or this year, in scoring. At the flight line Brent Hoover has been coming for years and spends almost all of his non-flying time helping tap lines, fix lines, setting up and tearing down. This year he also took over running the line when all of the primary flight line directors were > not available. Tom Koszuota is another who showed up for the first time 3 or 4 years ago and offered to help. Now he is flying the events and has become a regular out on the flight line working whenever he isn't flying. These 6 people are my Nats heroes, they are the ones that make it a priviledge and a pleasure to keep going back and spending my Nats vacation week working the flight line and supporting the Nats. We need more of these selfless individuals who are willing to work without complaint, simply because it is there and needs to be done. > > Jim Thomas, tired Flight Line Director > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats
I just got back from another week at the Nats and want to share a few of my thoughts. Nothing about who did what in which event, the ever-changing Muncie weather, etc. but more about some of the background stuff. AMA has provided a first class site. The field was in great shape and has matured into a wonderful venue to hold the Nats. My only complaint is the schedule shift that caused hand launch to move to the leading Friday, and the prospect of more schedule shifting in the future. The lack of a regular, fixed set of dates makes it very difficult for the 100+ competitors that come to the Nats to plan, and having events across two weeks makes it tough for working types that have to use vacation to participate. Nostalgia was not flown this year. I hope this doesn't become the next casualty event. Time was found for XC and Scale aerotow, even though Scale aerotow only had a handful of participants. Doesn't the history and evolution of modern soaring deserve better than half a day once every two or three years? I can't say that I personally like what RES has evolved into. Its now an event for hand launch airplanes on steroids (the AVADannySoprano and clones). The older, traditional RES planes "compete" at a serious disadvantage. The new winches provided by the hard work of the LSF working with AMA were fabulous. They are McAnn (sp?) winch kits, with first class foot switches, turnarounds, etc. The Real Balls bearing ends were recovered from the old winches and installed on the new ones. A couple of brushes were burned during the week, but overall they worked very well. My heroes of the Nats. Everyone hears the names of the people that run the various work areas (impound, flight line, scoring, etc.) at the pilots meeting and banquest. There are lots of others that really make the event work. Six really impressed me this year, three in impound whose names I never learned, one in scoring, and two in my area at the flight line. The impound folks who worked with Marna tirelessly and skillfully got the transmitters into groups, kept the flow of pilots moving, and checked everything back in to do it again. In scoring was a lovely lady by the name of Barb Steifel. She has been at the Nats supporting her husband Jeff for years. She always is working, either at impound or this year, in scoring. At the flight line Brent Hoover has been coming for years and spends almost all of his non-flying time helping tap lines, fix lines, setting up and tearing down. This year he also took over running the line when all of the primary flight line directors were not available. Tom Koszuota is another who showed up for the first time 3 or 4 years ago and offered to help. Now he is flying the events and has become a regular out on the flight line working whenever he isn't flying. These 6 people are my Nats heroes, they are the ones that make it a priviledge and a pleasure to keep going back and spending my Nats vacation week working the flight line and supporting the Nats. We need more of these selfless individuals who are willing to work without complaint, simply because it is there and needs to be done. Jim Thomas, tired Flight Line Director RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] "Didn't we send a team of guys somewhere this week?"
Gordy, You're jumping the gun a bit giving final results ;) There is still round 6 plus 2 rounds of finals before the Martin Cup is done. 30.07.2006 – Sunday „MARTIN CUP“ 07.00 – 07.30 taking transmitters to the tent 08.00 – 11.30 competition flights – qualifying rounds 12.00 – 13.00 final flights of „MARTIN CUP“ (2 final rounds) cheers Paul On 30/07/2006, at 4:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone has heard anything. Must not be much to report. The official site has scores for the Martin Cup posted (pre event) and it looks like Arendt Borst bested JW by a point or two. Tom K was in the top 5, Phil Barnes did a really good job and Joe Newcomb is up in there too. _http://www.rcmklub.sk/wcf3j2006/dnld.php?fname=./download/ martincup_prelimina ry_rounds.pdf_ (http://www.rcmklub.sk/wcf3j2006/dnld.php?fname=./download/ martincup_preliminary_rounds.pdf) I know its not the Nationals or MidSouth Soaring Champs but pretty interesting in any case:-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
