[RCSE] First Euro Moldie to win a USA major
How about the first Euro moldie to win a USA major? Know what it was, who flew it and where it won? Pretty sure it was the first Euro moldie to have bottom hinged flaps too. I'd love to see a Cirrus with bottom hinged flaps :-). So does this mean, there was a bench mark event in rc soaring history and you guys didn't notice? Gordy **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
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[RCSE] Benchmark Models
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Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
- Original Message ... I presented my opinions as to what is a benchmark, and specifically stated my qualifications = This thread seems to be confused by the difference between the words benchmark and landmark. Way back at the beginning, the original reference to a benchmark used the word correctly, viz. as a convenient standard for measurement or comparison. Various posters thereafter have gone off in the direction of trying to identify designs that had neat original ideas and significantly impacted later thought. The word for that is landmark. Libor is a benchmark; Marbury v Madison was a landmark. To say a plane floats better or worse or similarly to an Ava is to use an Ava as a benchmark. The speaker may or may not regard the Ava as a landmark design, but it's a convenient benchmark because everybody knows how an Ava flies. What constitutes a landmark is in the eye of the beholder. Roughly speaking, it's a design like the Fletcher or the JW-DS or the Allegro that looked unusual at the time but spawned a generation of similar planes.
[RCSE] Benchmark models
Everyone has their own benchmark models. Models that set a milestone for them for various reasons. I haven't heard any of the following mentioned, but may have missed them. For me: 1) Midwest Lil' T-- This was my first sailplane. Not a completely pure sailplane as I launched it with a Cox .049 on the front. Hundreds of flights as a kid with this and hooked me on sailplanes. 2) Windfree-- What a great plane. There is so much I could say about this one. 3) Hobie Hawk-- Never had one but it seems to me this was one of the first molded planes. Totally out of my league at $149 retail at the time. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ
RE: [RCSE] First Euro Moldie to win a USA major
Gordy, Moldie does not mean that it had to have flap or ailerons. That is not what makes a moldie. The Cumulus, not Cirrus, had foam cores that were covered, pressed for a wing airfoil and washout, and the fuse was plastic molded. But that is still molded. Cirruses never had flaps. The German vellum plans had them withairlerons, and the poster paper type plans did nothave them with ailerons. LOL Chris Original Message Subject: [RCSE] First Euro Moldie to win a USA major From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, December 01, 2007 1:13 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com How about the first Euro moldie to win a USA major? Know what it was, who flew it and where it won? Pretty sure it was the first Euro moldie to have bottom hinged flaps too. I'd love to see a Cirrus with bottom hinged flaps :-). So does this mean, there was a bench mark event in rc soaring history and you guys didn't notice? Gordy **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Totally agree, thanks for sharing. My bench marks are: DLG Photon II Electric Moldie: Mini Graphite Big Laminated Foam: FVK Signal Landmark: FVK Bandit On Dec 1, 2007 10:58 AM, tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message ... I presented my opinions as to what is a benchmark, and specifically stated my qualifications = This thread seems to be confused by the difference between the words benchmark and landmark. Way back at the beginning, the original reference to a benchmark used the word correctly, viz. as a convenient standard for measurement or comparison. Various posters thereafter have gone off in the direction of trying to identify designs that had neat original ideas and significantly impacted later thought. The word for that is landmark. Libor is a benchmark; Marbury v Madison was a landmark. To say a plane floats better or worse or similarly to an Ava is to use an Ava as a benchmark. The speaker may or may not regard the Ava as a landmark design, but it's a convenient benchmark because everybody knows how an Ava flies. What constitutes a landmark is in the eye of the beholder. Roughly speaking, it's a design like the Fletcher or the JW-DS or the Allegro that looked unusual at the time but spawned a generation of similar planes.
Re: [RCSE] Benchmark models
Darwin, This is kind of scary but I had all three :-) But the Windward was more of a bench mark I think because it was designed to work with the Kraft brick... Probably the first and only glider that was radio specific. Craig Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has their own benchmark models. Models that set a milestone for them for various reasons. I haven't heard any of the following mentioned, but may have missed them. For me: 1) Midwest Lil' T-- This was my first sailplane. Not a completely pure sailplane as I launched it with a Cox .049 on the front. Hundreds of flights as a kid with this and hooked me on sailplanes. 2) Windfree-- What a great plane. There is so much I could say about this one. 3) Hobie Hawk-- Never had one but it seems to me this was one of the first molded planes. Totally out of my league at $149 retail at the time. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ
Re: [RCSE] Benchmark models
I paid $150.00 for my first Hobie back in 1980. I thought I was crazy seeing that kits were under $50.00 at the most. Looking back it was the best $150.00 I ever spent in this hobby. I still have it. It taught me a lot and was so easily repairable that I could be back in the air quickly. I caught my first thermal with it. It has it's faults but I see it as a personality. Kind of like that girl you didn't really want to being home to mom but did anyway. Just like with that girl, life has moved on but you still think about her. 50% of the thoughts are how lucky you are that you never got entangled. The other 50% wants to see her again. I guess it is good that I have my 5 Hobies stashed away in the basement in their foam boxes and bring them out every so often to lust after. Lots better than keeping the girl in the foam box in the basement. Alfred Hitchcock would have a winner with that movie. Mark Miller - Original Message From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 10:08:33 AM Subject: [RCSE] Benchmark models Everyone has their own benchmark models. Models that set a milestone for them for various reasons. I haven't heard any of the following mentioned, but may have missed them. For me: 1) Midwest Lil' T-- This was my first sailplane. Not a completely pure sailplane as I launched it with a Cox .049 on the front. Hundreds of flights as a kid with this and hooked me on sailplanes. 2) Windfree-- What a great plane. There is so much I could say about this one. 3) Hobie Hawk-- Never had one but it seems to me this was one of the first molded planes. Totally out of my league at $149 retail at the time. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[RCSE] Benchmarks. . .progress ??
What is the practical application of this rash of opinions about what constitutes a benchmark design? What positive action, if any, is being taken as a result? Mostly what I see is a massive neglect to now use creative talent. Isn't anyone currently trying to come up with something to advance the the state of the hobby? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Benchmarks. . .progress ??
I think most people are trying to reinvent the wheel and make a new square peg to fit the round hole. Now for coming up with something new I don't have to much time for that so I go to your web site and learn so much... Harley, Thanks for your contribution to the advancement of our hobby there is so many things to learn from your site. Clarence Ashcraft Harley Michaelis wrote: What is the practical application of this rash of opinions about what constitutes a benchmark design? What positive action, if any, is being taken as a result? Mostly what I see is a massive neglect to now use creative talent. Isn't anyone currently trying to come up with something to advance the the state of the hobby? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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[RCSE] Re: Benchmarks. . .progress ??
Harley, you've made many of the advances in the hobby yourself. (RDS comes to mind). However, it seems to me you're implying things are stagnant, and there I must disagree. While things are not pushing forward on all fronts, I've seen tremendous progress in the hobby since I've been in it, and a lot of progress in, for instance, DLG, in just the last several years. My DLG is probably 4 years old and it is woefully obsolete! If we're writing here, it may mean that at the moment we don't feel like inventing anything. At other times, maybe otherwise. And perhaps in the course of the discussion, someone will think of a fundamental change that ought to have been made by now. BTW, although I have scratch built a couple of weird wings of my own design, and a rather ordinary slope soarer, I wouldn't say I've contributed to the advance of the hobby myself. Harley Michaelis wrote: What is the practical application of this rash of opinions about what constitutes a benchmark design? What positive action, if any, is being taken as a result? Mostly what I see is a massive neglect to now use creative talent. Isn't anyone currently trying to come up with something to advance the the state of the hobby? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
