[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Hi Jack, Not sure where you have been in the USA soaring world but winches became standardize a long time ago. Ford long shaft motors, and braided line. I doubt there is an active contest winch that doesn't have Real Balls and 6 volt winds. As far as limiting the length of the line, its a really good way to beat up airframes for sure, and line too...but who is it you are challenging? DP? MS? SM? BC? or even me? Most guys who end up in the top 20ish around the country will end up in the same group regardless of launch height. I trying to figure out where the logic is that if the lines are shorter or the winches weaker, the automatic result will be those guys normally under that group will suddenly rise up and win enough wood to keep their winter homes warm. Lower launches, shorter lines just mean less possible thumb mistakes available to those of us who manage to fly thru obvious lift...and less minutes of flying for the day..and for the money...gas, entry fee, food, motels, airlines, rental car..money. Sounds like a receipe for shorterattendance. The penalty is to the less than top skilled pilots. the benefit is to the top skilled pilots. So I'm ready to hear where the logic that having a crappier launch system will make a better, fairer contest..and create a bigger participation draw. Here's one way to decide on winch line length...divide the cost of attending a contest per man into the distance from the winch to the turn around. Want to prove how great a sailplane pilot you are? Finish your LSF program, and help your clubmates do it too. Gordy -- Gordysoar Gordysoar's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=12801 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
schrederman Wrote: > Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked > at it... So here goes :eek: > > For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... > in fact it got old a long time ago... > > My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line > strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the > turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put > some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! > > Jack (Darth) Womack Jack - Instead of challenging other folks why don't you just host the contest of your dreams and see if it works or not? I'm not at all likely to CD a contest that you will think is perfect, you need to get off the dime and do so if it's to be done at all. happy trails - Bubba -- Robglover Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Walter, I can outland you without a skeg :p ... so what's your point? Jack :D -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: 2.4 Gig JR v Futaba ???
Please go here and you will find step by step directions to do the installation of the update and setup of the 2.4 GHZ system... SUPER EASY!!! http://www.teamflyingcirkus.com/Forums/tabid/54/forumid/7/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/10407/Default.aspx#10407 -- mithrandir mithrandir's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=46062 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781514 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Brain Fart or Challenge?
Gordy, can you read? Pretty tactless on your part. I'd be willing to bet you a paycheck that the lines at TNT were'nt much more than 600'... that's what I suggested... 600'. There's some wisdom in what I propose if you think about it, which was the goal of the challenge... to make some people think. I have been around this world of soaring since the Windfree was king. I know that there are too many Gordys out there to ever get anything changed and made more challenging. It gets easier all the time with the better sailplanes and higher launches and the landing aids. I wonder what you would have been like as a modeller when we had to build it to fly it. I don't find it challenging to launch to 8-900' with a nearly aerodynamically perfect 140" model to make 10 minutes. I just want the rest of the US soaring group to think and maybe someone will come up with something better, more challenging, and more fun. Apparently what's happening IS shortening the lines already. Our numbers are falling off. Some of us are concerned about that. Now, who's really got farts in his brains? Pretty tactless on your part. Jack -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796118 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Bubba... Well, if there were more than 2 glider guys within 2 hours of me, I'd put on a couple a year. I've been CD at more than my share of contests, beginning in 1975. Clovis MADS club may well host a glider contest this year. It's going to be a stretch, and I'm going to have to count on folks coming from out of town since there are only 2 of us in Clovis. The winch (1) will benefit from all the talk and thoughts of this and other posts. Gordy, I'm not sure where you've been in the USA Soaring world, but I will assure you that the winches I launched on 33 years ago are indeed eclipsed by many of the winches in use today. The look is the same, FLS motors, etc., but they pull a heck of a lot harder and faster. Read the challenge... Who am I challenging? The status quo and the ongoing escalation... Do you think I'm so dumb as to not know the challenge is greater from a lower altitude? Are the guys that practice and take this seriously going to win? Of course they are. This has nothing to do with some pie-in-the-sky crap about letting beginners win. As I said... put some challenge back into it. Airframes have advanced along with launching systems so that making your time isn't really too tough, anymore... especially if the lines are really out there. I put my winch out in Houston once at 300 meters. I could have flown to Galveston and back on that much altitude. Please read what's written, and don't read anything else into it. It's not there. By the way... the challenge says standardize, not weaken... if that means 6V winds with real balls, so be it. As to the skeg piece... Why not take that crutch away. Make the landing tape 40' long instead of 25', and still measure from center just like now. If you're really interested in what "hard on airframes" I believe that sudden stop is probably harder on them than about anything. Go ahead and let this escalate, and see where the attendance goes. Strange that I don't remember you from those days when the winches got totally out of hand and the kits (and lots of the builders) went away... and the attendance fell way off to not very many. Those that don't know history are bound to repeat it. Jack -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: 2.4 Gig JR v Futaba ???
I've been flying a 9303 2.4 in my hand launch for a while now. It's great. I can sneak down to the local vacant lot and fly every evening that the weather allows. The programming is adequate for my needs. The transmitter is light and durable which is a plus for hand launch. So far the link has been solid, but I haven't been flying at a crowded field. I may even have to get a foamy electric or helicopter or something so I can use it more. This radio will do everything that any of my planes need to fly well, and it's a bargain. I just laid hands on a 2.4 module for my MZ14. I downloaded the new programming and updated the software in my MZ14 yesterday, that is a great feature. The receiver (14 channels worth) has been installed into my 3 meter Rogue. I have a few spare channels :-). Looks good on the bench, maybe this weekend I'll have a chance to try it out. Now my Footabubba radio will transmit on any frequency or band legal for me. That's cool. The programming recognizes the module and brings up the appropriate menus for the band. Way cool. Shift selectable as well, so most of my old receivers will still work with it. Comparing a P4000 to the MZ14 is pointless, the P4000 doesn't come close IMHO. You want to buy my old P4000? -- Robglover Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=781514 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Brain Fart Challenge
All right boys, lets turn the talk into walk. How about a challenge match between the "mouth" and the "mouth breather", Gordy and Darth? I will personally pay one night's motel and dinner for each of the protagonists (antagonists?) for the night prior to a match to be held in Amarillo (or some other mutually agreeable site) and furnish two matched 6V motor 12V winches and other necessary gear for a match with the following format: Round I -- Four Flights 1. First launch 15 minutes after official local sunrise. Subsequent flights follow 5 minutes after prior flight landing. (BTW I'll also pay for all the adult beverages either contestant wants the night prior to the match :) ) 2. Task AMA task T3 (Precision Duration) modified to 8 minutes. 3. MOM simultaneous launch immediately on launch signal (DSQ if still on line 10 seconds after launch signal.) 4. Simultaneous landing time (8 minutes after launch signal). Landing timing called out by contest official. 5. Landing task spot landing, 10 foot graduated landing tape, 100 point max. 6. Normalized scoring based on AMA Precision Duration Points -- Landing Points not normalized. 7. Turnaround distance 600 feet. 8. No skegs allowed. Round II - Four Flights 1. First launch 1 hour after last flight of Round I. Subsequent flights 5 minutes immediately after finish of prior landing. 2. Task AMA task T3 (Precision Duration) 10 minutes. 3. MOM simultaneous launch immediately on launch signal (DSQ if still on line 10 seconds after launch signal.) 4. Simultaneous landing time (10 minutes after launch signal). Landing timing called out by contest official. 5. Landing task AMA L6 6. Normalized scoring based on AMA Precision Duration Points -- Landing Points not normalized. 7. Turnaround distance 700 feet. 8. Skegs allowed Other general rules. 1. Pilots may use up to two planes in the match -- declared before the first launch. 2. No outside assistance of any kind while flying -- no Picolarios, no coaches, no verbal communication from anyone to the pilots except the time called out by the contest official. 3. Winch setup will have a 300# land line and a 200# pound air line. Air line will be at least 250 feet long. Pilots will fly out all pop offs and all line breaks. No reflights unless the land line breaks. All lines will be new at the start of the match. 4. The lowest round score will be thrown out for each pilot. 5. High points win. Loser buys dinner for the winner and up to two contest officials. Loser agrees to abide by winners comments on this thread for two years from the date of the contest.If Gordy loses, he will graciously present Darth with one of his infamous "I beat Gordy" pins and will include the phrase "Darth Beat Me" on any comments he posts on this thread for two years. If Darth loses he will include the phrase "Gordy Beat Me" on any comments he posts on this thread for two years. Come on curmudgeons, lets get down and have some FUN :) -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796852 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Brain Fart Challenge
Thanks, Don, but... The only time I've flown against Gordy in competition, I beat him... skegless... flying a Dragonfly Strong against his Supra... I have nothing left to prove. I appreciate your trying to be a peacemaker, but, there's no peace to make. I had my say, and Gordy had his. We're both entitled to voice our opinions. The next time I see him I will be most happy to shake his hand. I would hope I could disagree with anyone, and still remain friends. I'm already entitled to a "I Beat Gordy" pin, anyway. -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796852 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Brain Fart or Challenge?
Kevin O'Dell Wrote: > > I for one am all for keeping the variety in the sport...fly what > you got and launch with what's available.though you might ask a > few intelligent questions first, like, is this a 6 volt winch with a > > 12 volt battery or what Great suggestion -- one I could live with. In fact that's what I have done at every contest that I have attended -- and I have only gone one place where I could find someone who could give me an answer -- Jim Frickey in Kansas City. The most common answers I get are that the winches are either pretty or real strong. The question is whether what your are suggesting is too much to ask at a contest. Don -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796118 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Brain Fart Challenge
schrederman Wrote: > I appreciate your trying to be a peacemaker, but, there's no peace to > make. I had my say, and Gordy had his. We're both entitled to voice our > opinions. The next time I see him I will be most happy to shake his > hand. I would hope I could disagree with anyone, and still remain > friends. > > I'm already entitled to a "I Beat Gordy" pin, anyway. Jack, I don't think anybody who knows me believes I would try to make peace anywhere ;) . Nor, would I ever suggest you could disagree with Gordy and not remain friends. I know you better than that. And I would hope that both of you know that I thoroughly enjoy (and appreciate) both of your voices. Just thought I might try to shake a little fun out of our leafless trees :). Anyway, since you have already whipped Gordy, I guess another match would be moot. Looking forward to seeing you at SWC. Stop by our RV and we'll burn a meal for you. Don -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796852 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Best 2 Meter for NATS
What to you guys think about this one? The Gaddy 2m T/D ship from North East. +---+ |Filename: gabby-2nick[1].jpg | |Download: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1650288 | +---+ -- eschlitzkus eschlitzkus's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=76533 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796004 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Brain Fart Challenge
That's a doen deal Darth -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796852 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Don't know why but I just got a whole bunch of mail that should have been sent days ago. Reading thru the headers it should have left airage on the 3rd and 4th, but it just got forwarded. A bunch of you have already been playing with this thread... Can someone tell me why I just received all these days later. I like Jack's idea... I think we should standardize on the FAI system, then it won't be them and us anymore. Also 200m is the legal line length for winch launches.. no skegs, but you have to change the tape. If you don't have a skeg you shouldn't have the tight numbers we have for landing, that won't stop the dorking, it will only increase it, which is hard on ships. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Hay Jeff, Those post are from people who use Yahoo Groups to post to RCSE It happens once or twice a month... Craig Jeff Steifel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't know why but I just got a whole bunch of mail that should have been sent days ago. Reading thru the headers it should have left airage on the 3rd and 4th, but it just got forwarded. A bunch of you have already been playing with this thread... Can someone tell me why I just received all these days later. I like Jack's idea... I think we should standardize on the FAI system, then it won't be them and us anymore. Also 200m is the legal line length for winch launches.. no skegs, but you have to change the tape. If you don't have a skeg you shouldn't have the tight numbers we have for landing, that won't stop the dorking, it will only increase it, which is hard on ships. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] [Fwd: RDS technology advances]
Please excuse if a duplicate. . I never got a copy. --- Begin Message --- I'm now hearing word about the use of the all-internal RDS in F3B and F3J ships in highest level international competition. Some modelers are installing servos and mechanics in the process of molding their wings. Absolutely nothing is then evident on the wing surfaces to indicate that servos or linkages are present. One moldie, the Evolution, includes the designer's version of the RDS for installation. It's good to see that one manufacturer is breaking away from external hardware. However, there is a flaw in it. The sleeve at the hingeline prevents normal, vertical float of the drive shaft at that point that naturally wants to occur when the surface deflects. The sleeve it not needed because the pocket itself supports the bent end of the shaft. Lateral restraint is required at that point but should not be provided with a snug fitting tube. Builder-designer Mark Drela has developed the use of stainless steel hypo tubing for the increased torsional rigidity provided for applications more extreme than typical thermal flying. This torsional rigidity can be obtained using such tubes with a simple, machined aluminum sleeve pressed into the bottom section of the versatile, injection-molded Kimbrough coupler. Using the coupler greatly simplifies an RDS installation since it comes comes with a tree of splined adapters of which one or the other fits most popular servos. Details on this coupler/aluminum sleeve/hypo tubing arrangement have been added at the end of File 6, the authoritative RDS file, at http://genie.rchomepage.com. Modeler-machinist Walt Dimick of IRF Machine Works is now set up to produce the sleeves. I jeep a supply of the couplers on hand. --- End Message ---
[RCSE] 14th Anniversary
Today is the fourteenth anniversary of my meeting Gordy. It was on a cold January day in 1995 that I got a call from Gordy Stahl. He said that he was passing through and would like to meet me. I couldn't remember anybody named Gordy but said OK. I then looked into my records and found that a few years earlier I had sold him an early version of my Airfoil Plot program. It is almost impossible to give directions to my house to anybody not familiar with Tullahoma so I said to give me a call when he got off the Interstate and I would meet him at the model airplane field. Gordy was driving a pickup towing a long long trailer carrying some earth moving machinery. I live way back in the woods on a narrow driveway but some how Gordy made it my drive without hitting any oak trees. Fortunately I have a circle drive in front of my house so he didn't have to turn that rig around because I didn't have 40 acres. I assumed that Gordy wanted to talk about airfoils and plotting software but it turned out that he wanted to see my models. I had just finished restoring my Corvette and my shop was still cluttered with car tools so most of my models were in storage and I didn't have anything to show. We discussed flying and Gordy remarked that he didn't like contests because he didn't like spending a whole day for only a few flights. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
