RE: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
Thanks for keeping everyone updated Ben. What a great competition it was. The skills on that field were impressive. I sure would have liked to have a higher finish but even in 31st place my score was 96.4% of first. I am happy with my performance. It was well worth the trip and I have every intention to go back for another shot at em next year. Here is a little factoid for ya, the guy that finished first did not have a rudder on his plane. Bruce Davidson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
Yeah, and you know what is even worse? Marc Gellart's Blaster didn't have a rudder on it either - just a stab - and he won our NATS too... I kinda feel bad for ribbing Marc in one of the last rounds where he was struggling keeping his turn coordinated in some super-light air... but his launches were great and apparently lack of rudder didn't keep him from winning the contest... (I like my rudder, thank you very much) Great contest, guys! I'd love to see more Loud Americans heading overseas for that contest or better yet, more Euros at our NATS! :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for keeping everyone updated Ben. What a great competition it was. The skills on that field were impressive. I sure would have liked to have a higher finish but even in 31st place my score was 96.4% of first. I am happy with my performance. It was well worth the trip and I have every intention to go back for another shot at em next year. Here is a little factoid for ya, the guy that finished first did not have a rudder on his plane. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
Ben Wrote: Great contest, guys! I'd love to see more Loud Americans heading overseas for that contest or better yet, more Euros at our NATS! :) If the Nat's can ever figure out that it will take a 2 day F3K event to draw the numbers, then that just might happen... -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
I second that... 2 day F3K will attracts some CA pilots (like myself) for sure. -Kai ※ 引述《Lex Mierop [EMAIL PROTECTED]》之郵件內容： Ben Wrote: Great contest, guys! I'd love to see more Loud Americans heading overseas for that contest or better yet, more Euros at our NATS! :) If the Nat's can ever figure out that it will take a 2 day F3K event to draw the numbers, then that just might happen... -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
So lets kill 2-meter and add F3K.. ouch (-: - Original Message - From: Kai Yangmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lexmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaringmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaringmailto:soaring@airage.com ; benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals I second that... 2 day F3K will attracts some CA pilots (like myself) for sure. -Kai ※ 引述《Lex Mierop [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]》之郵件內容： Ben Wrote: Great contest, guys! I'd love to see more Loud Americans heading overseas for that contest or better yet, more Euros at our NATS! :) If the Nat's can ever figure out that it will take a 2 day F3K event to draw the numbers, then that just might happen... -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Any problems with AA batteries?
I am writing this post to see if anyone else out there is having battery problems out there. I am not trying to start a flame war or to discuss the high internal resistance of AA NiMtl batteries or 4 cell vs 5 cell in sailplanes. I think I am more concerned about old fashion quality control. About this time last year I purchased 36 - Sanyo 2700's. AA size. I purchased them mostly for my digital cameras (it used four at a time) and to make a couple packs for my sailplanes. I made a five cell pack for my Pike Perfect on 72 mhz. Several months later I crashed at Visalia, from total loss of control. I took a lot of heat because I was defending the JR 790 scan select receivers which was also flying in the Pike Perfect. Well I sold the crashed plane to Tor who did a very good job rebuilding it. Tor's second flight resulted in a loss of control and another crash. he gave me the battery to test and the test results really sucked. At 1/10t h C the batteries took a full charge. Anything more than that and they would only take about 800mah. The real down side was that the 5 cell pack fully discharged over night. While all this is going on, I still had 5 sets of 4 batteries for my digital camera. That way I would always have a fresh set of batteries. Every time I picked up a pack I charged just a couple of days ago, the camera would take a couple of pictures and the red battery dead symbol would pop up. These batteries, just 6 to 7 months old were self discharging in less than a couple of days. I use a Schulze isl 8-936g for my planes and several other charges for my cameras. I got so bad that I wound up throwing out the Sanyo 2700's and replacing them with intllect 2000's (4/5th A) or Sanyo Enlopes or other slow discharge ni-mtl batteries.So far so good. I tried using the enloops in my wireless mouse (I had given up on rechargeable batteries in this use because they would only last a couple of days). they worked great. Several months at a time before recharge. About the same amount of time I was getting with alkaline. Suddenly, a fresh set of Enloops died in the wireless mouse. One cell started the charger and the cell took a full charge. The other cell would not start the charger (I don't think the charger recognized a cell at all.) It would only take 600 mah before the charger would kick off. I really like the way the enloops hold their charge. They really do what they claim. But this failure less than two months after purchase has me a little worried. some research on line seems to indicate that there might be a quality control problem coming out of China in general, and not related to any particular brand. Is anyone else out there having problems with the newer, high capacity ni mtl cells with quick (over night) self discharge or a cell simply stop working? It has been interesting. Sherman Knight **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
RE: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
Lex Mierop wrote: If the Nat's can ever figure out that it will take a 2 day F3K event to draw the numbers, then that just might happen... What's to figure out? The IHLF event put on by the Torrey Pine Gulls has always been regarded as the premier event in HL. Unfortunately the European contingent does not travel to the U.S. We could put on the greatest F3K event and it just won't draw the numbers. In the U.S. we are used to travelling long distances to compete. In Europe they drive. It is very rare to fly to an event in Europe. In addition the LSF has figured it out. A week long event that attempts to cater to all of the soaring contingent. IMHO they do a great job. Glider camp. I wish I was there. Jim McCarthy
[RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
So y'all have probably heard my whining about the lack of 2 days of handlaunch at the NATS, so let me pitch you my argument for it and for better attention paid to handlaunch by soaring in general. This is the product of a number of discussions I've had with a number of people involved with soaring at different levels over the past couple of years, so here goes: AN INTRODUCTION I've been in soaring since 2003, and have been to the NATS the last 4 years in some capacity or another. My first love is handlaunch, but I'm also a big fan of RES and Unlimited stuff. I also got the international-style bug last year towing for an F3J team at the NATS. Second, let me state that I have helped Denny Maize over the last 3 years organize his Polecat Challenge. In those years, it's gone from a pretty well attended contest (40 pilots) to last year, which had 93 registered and paid pilots. Around 80 or so flew. (Yes, we managed to top the IHLGF this year, but that might just be a statistical wobble, or it could be the Red Bull girls, pig roast or huge soaring raffle). As I was intimately involved with the registration of the pilots and the gathering and reporting of information about that contest as well as the NATS last year, I've got a somewhat unique perspective into handlaunch and soaring. I stress handlaunch and soaring there, because the crossover between HL and TD is pretty well delineated. There are a lot of people doing HL and more doing TD, but there is only modest intersection between the two. SOME NUMBERS At the Polecat Challenge, out of the 80-some pilots: 13 of them were Novices, meaning that they hadn't flown a contest before. 29 of them were Sportsmen. The rest were experts. The average age for handlaunch competitors skews much younger than soaring in general (this is empirical) Last year at the NATS when I did the coverage for the NATSNews, I had to hunt and peck for guys who were new to soaring or the NATS - and that was out of 100+ pilots. I think I counted maybe 5 or 6 that were new to soaring or to the NATS. Many of them were in handlaunch (I brought at least two of them with me). I'm not covering the NATS this year, but attendance is the same as last year, but with RES attendance way up, so I'm assuming things stayed the same. Someone contradict me on that if I'm wrong. I spoke with a number of the new guys at the Polecat and a large number of them had never flown sailplanes before getting into handlaunch - but they had flown some sort of R/C. Helis, electrics, some gas, etc. Handlaunch is drawing people from other R/C niches to soaring. That's a good direction for us. WHY TWO DAYS AT THE NATS Well, frankly, because when I tell handlaunch people to come to the NATS, they all say I would, but only if it's a two-day contest. And I swear to you I didn't put that quote in their teeth! I will lay a $5 bet that the first two-day handlaunch contest at the NATS draws at least as many pilots as 2-meter, and maybe even as many as RES. I've spoken to at least that many people - and the handlaunch community is pretty damn tight - we'll support it. Period. Now, about the recent German contest - the German Open this year (just last weekend, same as NATS HL) drew away at least a half dozen of our top handlaunch pilots FROM THEIR OWN NATIONAL COMPETITION. Oleg Golovidov, Phil Barnes, Paul Anderson and Bruce Davidson, all past IHLGF or Polecat winners, didn't go to their own NATS because there is a better contest -- in Germany. 112 pilots from all around Europe, Sweden, Norway, Ukraine, etc etc. Huge. Beer on tap *at the field*! We've now got two serious and large contests - the IHLGF and the Polecat - but we don't have a NATS that is worth going to, and therefore isn't considered a National contest by anyone in the HL community. I don't want to get into that whole Is the NATS a fun-fly? argument again, but I would like to make Handlaunch at the NATS worth going to... SUMMARY * Handlaunch is attracting more new pilots * Handlaunch is attracting a younger audience * Handlaunch is acting as the gateway into soaring in general If you hold it, they will come. If you bring more handlaunchers to the NATS, you are bringing more (and more young) people into soaring. If you bring more people into soaring, it is a good thing(tm). And finally - F3K is official now and is going to have it's first-ever World Champs in 2011. It is never early enough to start supporting it. Some of you on the RCSE have already heard this before and I appreciate you listening! I am happy to say we *are* making progress on it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
Well for what it's worth. I like to fly contests and have had help learning how to practice from arguably some of the best pilots in the country. I fly only RES and unlimited at this point as far as contests go, but I do have a hand launch and really like flying that as well. If I were going to pony up for a contest for handlaunch and I had to travel, I would rather pay the extra money and go to Europe for a multitude of reasons. 1. Better Beer 2. More things to see (more interesting) 3. Amsterdam (I wont even go into why I like Amsterdam) 4. Far easier to talk my wife into going and frankly I would rather be with her in a foreign country than being alone in Muncie.5. A chance to meet the Americans I would like to meet (since apparently they are going to the European contest anyway.) So to be honest if they added a day in Muncie, but there were a contest in Europe...I would still go to Europe. Just my two Euro's Tom _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008
RE: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
Ben, I have never been so insulted as what you have posted here. Perhaps Jeff and Bret are just as insulted. I have been flying HLG longer than you are probably old, old enough for me to be your father and grandfather! Just so you know, there were three other US pilots at the German Open, yet you never acknowledge US!! I have flown HLG long before anybody ever thought about HLG contests. I flew in Dave Thornburg's HLG contest, and even designed a 66 HLG for it which parallels what we fly today. I fly HLG/DLG because it gives me the enjoyment and independence of not having to wait for winch lines or frequency control. Jeff Carr, Bret Carr and I supported our US group and flew. We may not be the creme of the crop that Oleg, Bruce, Paul or Phil may be, but we participate for each of our own reasons. You make it sound like we are invisible to the rest of the group. I think you are somewhat lost. I design and build DLGs because I enjoy the opportunity that they offer me. Of the US group, besides Oleg who flew his 5 year old Taboo designs, I was the only US guy there flying My Own design!!! DLG pilots fly DLG for one basic reason, it allows each of us to fly independently and to not depend on waiting for winches or any other complaints from others. I can go out and fly in the AM, Noon hour, or PM, and enjoy my time hunting the elusive thermal. Contests are not the only thing that matters in this world when it comes to flying. Some of us design, others fly, but in the end we fly fly fly!. In my opinion, the AMA does not know what DLG is doing for the world of soaring. TD contests will be going by the wayside. Bruce Davidson put it quite plainly at the German Open to me, why should he travel 10 hours, fly three or 4 flights then drive back from a TD contest, when he can fly DLG, many rounds and many flights and have the enjoyment of not having to just do spot landings. I will go to more DLG contests than TD contests this year and I am perhaps giving up TD contest entirely. I can do the social event at HLG/DLG contests and still get the technical and design satisfaction of DLG flying. After all What is DLG but a subclass of TD. Perhaps we should be saying that TD is really a subclass of HLG/DLG because we used to thermal out TD ships from Hand launches when we test glided TD ships! Personally I see DLG support by the AMA replacing F3B and even perhaps F3J, as a world class group. So I think you owe Jeff, Bret and Me an apology for not recognizing us as participants at the German Open at the same level as Oleg, Bruce, Paul, Phil and the rest. Don't forget, Bret did make the Junior flyoffs and did place in that realm! Please come back when you realize there are others who fly also. Thermals, Chris Adams LSF 348 Lvl V (#8) Original Message Subject: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch. From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, July 29, 2008 7:15 pm To: soaring@airage.com, LASS Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] So y'all have probably heard my whining about the lack of 2 days of handlaunch at the NATS, so let me pitch you my argument for it and for better attention paid to handlaunch by soaring in general. This is the product of a number of discussions I've had with a number of people involved with soaring at different levels over the past couple of years, so here goes: AN INTRODUCTION I've been in soaring since 2003, and have been to the NATS the last 4 years in some capacity or another. My first love is handlaunch, but I'm also a big fan of RES and Unlimited stuff. I also got the international-style bug last year towing for an F3J team at the NATS. Second, let me state that I have helped Denny Maize over the last 3 years organize his Polecat Challenge. In those years, it's gone from a pretty well attended contest (40 pilots) to last year, which had 93 registered and paid pilots. Around 80 or so flew. (Yes, we managed to top the IHLGF this year, but that might just be a statistical wobble, or it could be the Red Bull girls, pig roast or huge soaring raffle). As I was intimately involved with the registration of the pilots and the gathering and reporting of information about that contest as well as the NATS last year, I've got a somewhat unique perspective into handlaunch and soaring. I stress handlaunch and soaring there, because the crossover between HL and TD is pretty well delineated. There are a lot of people doing HL and more doing TD, but there is only modest intersection between the two. SOME NUMBERS At the Polecat Challenge, out of the 80-some pilots: 13 of them were Novices, meaning that they hadn't flown a contest before. 29 of them were Sportsmen. The rest were experts. The average age for handlaunch competitors skews much younger than soaring in general (this is empirical) Last year at the NATS when I did the coverage for the NATSNews, I had to hunt and peck for guys who were new to soaring or the NATS - and
[RCSE] I Say We Find Ben and Crack his Throwing Peg!!!!!!
Got you Chris! I told him to leave you off knowing it would piss you off :-) In any case it wasn't who was left out of his post...its that he took the time to post something at all! You'll note no one else did. Nice report Ben. For those of you who don't know Ben, he is one of Louisville's top thermal pilots. He's been an official Nats reporter and one of our Little Lee's soaring mentors...(yeah the little guy who won the MidSouth Soaring Champs...and ugh is headed toward taking over DLG in the near future...and shortly LSF4! Ben is working on his LSF 5 tasks with meand someone I count as a best buddy in the hobby. Gordy Asheville NC tonite..you? In a message dated 7/29/2008 11:01:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben, I have never been so insulted as what you have posted here. Perhaps Jeff and Bret are just as insulted. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
[RCSE] RE: I say we find Ben and Crach his throwing peg!!!!
Good try Gordy, I know that is something your would do! ;-) I don't care that he took time to post, we all post and some of use do posts on RCgroups. There were 9 of us there, Oleg, Phil Paul, Adam, Jeff, Bret, Mike, Bret, and myself, Yet the only ones recognized were what appears to be the top. In 25 years, Oleg, Phil, Paul, Mike will be the the old group who no one recognizes or care about. But if they show up will anybody recognize them??? It is funny to see someone who was not there, who did not see the planes, nor other competitors, report Postumously. I have plenty of photos, and started my report. Phil, Bruce, and others saw the contests one way, the rest of us saw it another. I will post in good time, but not here, rather on RC groups. Ben may be working on LSF V, but Been there Done that, and I perhaps even force Steve and John to get theirs!! Chris Original Message Subject: I say we find Ben and Crach his throwing peg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, July 29, 2008 9:07 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got you Chris! I told him to leave you off knowing it would piss you off :-) In any case it wasn't who was left out of his post...its that he took the time to post something at all! You'll note no one else did. Nice report Ben. For those of you who don't know Ben, he is one of Louisville's top thermal pilots. He's been an official Nats reporter and one of our Little Lee's soaring mentors...(yeah the little guy who won the MidSouth Soaring Champs...and ugh is headed toward taking over DLG in the near future...and shortly LSF4! Ben is working on his LSF 5 tasks with meand someone I count as a best buddy in the hobby. Gordy Asheville NC tonite..you? In a message dated 7/29/2008 11:01:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben, I have never been so insulted as what you have posted here. Perhaps Jeff and Bret are just as insulted. I have been flying HLG longer than you are probably old, old enough for me to be your father and grandfather! Just so you know, there were three other US pilots at the German Open, yet you never acknowledge US!! I have flown HLG long before anybody ever thought about HLG contests. I flew in Dave Thornburg's HLG contest, and even designed a 66 HLG for it which parallels what we fly today. I fly HLG/DLG because it gives me the enjoyment and independence of not having to wait for winch lines or frequency control. Jeff Carr, Bret Carr and I supported our US group and flew. We may not be the creme of the crop that Oleg, Bruce, Paul or Phil may be, but we participate for each of our own reasons. You make it sound like we are invisible to the rest of the group. I think you are somewhat lost. I design and build DLGs because I enjoy the opportunity that they offer me. Of the US group, besides Oleg who flew his 5 year old Taboo designs, I was the only US guy there flying My Own design!!! DLG pilots fly DLG for one basic reason, it allows each of us to fly independently and to not depend on waiting for winches or any other complaints from others. I can go out and fly in the AM, Noon hour, or PM, and enjoy my time hunting the elusive thermal. Contests are not the only thing that matters in this world when it comes to flying. Some of us design, others fly, but in the end we fly fly fly!. In my opinion, the AMA does not know what DLG is doing for the world of soaring. TD contests will be going by the wayside. Bruce Davidson put it quite plainly at the German Open to me, why should he travel 10 hours, fly three or 4 flights then drive back from a TD contest, when he can fly DLG, many rounds and many flights and have the enjoyment of not having to just do spot landings. I will go to more DLG contests than TD contests this year and I am perhaps giving up TD contest entirely. I can do the social event at HLG/DLG contests and still get the technical and design satisfaction of DLG flying. After all What is DLG but a subclass of TD. Perhaps we should be saying that TD is really a subclass of HLG/DLG because we used to thermal out TD ships from Hand launches when we test glided TD ships! Personally I see DLG support by the AMA replacing F3B and even perhaps F3J, as a world class group. So I think you owe Jeff, Bret and Me an apology for not recognizing us as participants at the German Open at the same level as Oleg, Bruce, Paul, Phil and the rest. Don't forget, Bret did make the Junior flyoffs and did place in that realm! Please come back when you realize there are others who fly also. Thermals, Chris Adams LSF 348 Lvl V (#8) Original Message Subject: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch. From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, July 29, 2008 7:15 pm To: soaring@airage.com, LASS Soaring
Re: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
Those are great reasons! MM 1. Better Beer 2. More things to see (more interesting) 3. Amsterdam (I wont even go into why I like Amsterdam) 4. Far easier to talk my wife into going and frankly I would rather be with her in a foreign country than being alone in Muncie. 5. A chance to meet the Americans I would like to meet (since apparently they are going to the European contest anyway.) So to be honest if they added a day in Muncie, but there were a contest in Europe...I would still go to Europe. Just my two Euro's Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
