Re: [RCSE] German Open F3K Finals
Ben Wilson wrote: ... That's out of 112 participants. Someone (who shall remain nameless) at the US F3K NATS said to me they have 112 people at a *handlaunch* contest? Yes, (name), handlaunch is popular everywhere else in the world except the US Nationals. There's a good reason why 8 (almost 10) of our top pilots went to Germany instead of the NATS - though it might have been the draught beer on tap on the field! (When can we get that at Muncie?) I witnessed quite a few beers, though nothing on tap. You have to bring your own. BYOB. Bubba, the number 1 beer connoisseur, was seen clutching a vintage pint most evenings. There were also mojitos, wine, cheese, guacamole, hamburgers, brats, steaks, pork tenderloin, bean casserole, and much more. You just need to stay more than one day and hang out with the right people. :-) Voice your opinions to your LSF officials that you would like a 2 day HL contest and that you will attend. We don't want HL to go the way of Scale, Scale CC, and soon F3B. Steve Meyer LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NATS 2008
Uggg.. Don't remind me. Only thing worse than a 2 meter contest is the 2nd day of a 2 meter contest. :-) Looking at the numbers I think it is time to make RES a 2 day event and relegate 2 Meter to 1 day contest. Wooohooo I'm going to LSF Glider Camp. Steve Dennis wrote: Oh Boy, it's almost here... the Nats! The planes are ready, I've been practicing and ready to go. The Bad Duck will make it appearance Monday. Yah... See you there. Dennis Hoyle 2008 Nats Registrar RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] f3J Worlds
Anyone see any USA reports? Website? Blog? AJ McGowan is smokin! Must be the Beaver hat that makes him so hot. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?....
From Jojo's blog http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/index.htm Thanks to the French team and the Norwegian team collecting data you can now see the complete list of models and transmitters. http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: US F3J Team Report
Sounds very impressive. I did not see a Web cam on their site. Wonder if that will be added for WC? Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI Jim Monaco wrote: *I’d like to add that my information indicates that the scoring for the WC will be real-time. As each pilot’s data is committed at the flight line it will be immediately available on the website.* * * *This means you guys will have to stay up all nite to watch the action!* *Jim* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, June 27, 2008 10:07 PM *To:* soaring@airage.com *Subject:* [RCSE] RE: US F3J Team Report Checkout these websites for info: f3jturkey.com, soarist.com and f3x.no This W/C is the most impressive contest I've ever seen. The Turkish club spared no expense to make their mark: tents that are more like semi-permanent housing, security so good that you can leave your models assembled on the field overnight, WiFi on the field, WiFi scoring . Your official timer enters the result on a PDA and by the time you turn your transmitter back in, you score is posted on all the big screen TV's on the field for all to see (which could be a source of pride or shame :), as well as the current leader board. This is a world class performance by the Turkish organizers with a world class budget of over a quarter million dollars. They clearly had lots of support. The US Team is prepared to deliver its own world class performance largely because of your support. Jim Monaco continues his own world class performance as team manager. Things are going smoothly and close to budget, but fund raising will continue to be a full time, year-around effort. We appreciate your support (and we still need to get our models home after the contest, and that's not cheap :) Check out the above websites for the latest news. The W/C starts Monday with opening ceremony Sunday evening. Gotta go, I'm off to work (yes, it really is a lot of work-14 hr days) Thanks Ben Clerx Get the Moviefone Toolbar http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=aolcmp000511. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, more! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WAG contest.. The real Story :-)
You should have had Gordy fix your brakes for you. :-) Craig Allen wrote: Gordy only told part of the Story I talked Gordy into flying in the WAG contest the Friday before the IHLGF... I brought 3 planes with me, so I figured what's the worst that could happen...He could destroy one of my backups... No big deal :-) Well on the way to the field my brakes failed and I had to take a turn really fast... Like a 40mph U turn :-) Well that shifted everything in the van and broke my #2 planes boom... So now I'm down to 2 planes. Still no big deal if Gordy destroys one.. Right... So I show up at the field and Gordy is itching to fly.. I pull out the plane check that everything works and give it a toss.. Straight up.. No control.. Straight down.. Well kind of... Through the telephone lines and into Bruce Davidson's rental car... Someone was on my frequency!!! :-((( So now I'm down to ONE plane If U have ever flown in the IHLGF its almost impossible to go all weekend with just one plane... Shit happens :- hehe So now I'm like... Crap.. But oh well who cares? Not me :-) I gave Gordy my word and that's more important to me... So I hand Gordy my ONLY plane and let him go at it... For not being A Hand-launch Guy he had a decent launch.. He flies the crap out of it.. Like he's been flying it for years... He even new how to handle a Futaba 9C transmitter...H??? In the back of my mind I'm figuring something is going to happen.. Well it did.. Gordy using a plane he had only 20-30 min of flying time on kicked some serious ass... He was 5th going into the fly-offs...The only reason he didn't do well in the fly-offs was the weather conditions really deteriorated, the sun was almost down, and lift was non-existent.. It became a who can launch the highest and cover contest... How did I do with the very same plane? Not so good... All these years I thought I lived in the State of California.. But now I realize I live in the State of Denial!!! My flying sucks :-)) I know some of you who have never meet Gordy probably think he really lives is in his mothers basement or a Mental Institution making up stories on the Internet about flying all over the world... Well as much as I hate to say it... Gordy really is a good stick and a good ambassador for our hobby Craig.. Gun to my head :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Last Call for US F3J Team Apparel
Try http://www.usf3jteam.com/ http://www.usf3jteam.com/ Jim Monaco wrote: Darn - I forget to include the web link... I hate that... :) http://ww.usf3jteam.com Jim From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:48 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Last Call for US F3J Team Apparel Thanks very much to everyone that has made this fundraising campaign as successful as it has been. We are about 1 week away from departure now and getting very excited! We are still working towards the final $3000 need to balance our budget. Your generous sales and contributions have raised about $2000 in the last 2 weeks. This is phenomenal… We recently were made aware of an accounting problem from the AMA and it added about $800 to our fundraising needs. We are putting a final push on to close the budget deficit. We will continue to take raffle sales through our return on the 8th of July. The following Saturday the 12th of July we will draw the winners. We will be closing all merchandise sales on Friday 6/20/2008. We still have a large stock of tee shirts short/long sleeve, pockets and not. We wanted to offer free shipping on any in-stock order, but it was too hard to manage the inventory, SO we are offering FREE shipping on all new orders placed now through next Friday. We will ship all in-stock orders before we leave. Any order with items not in stock will be ordered from the printer but will need to wait for our return to be fulfilled. Now is the time to help our budget, help us clear out some inventory and get a great deal. Don’t forget the great raffle. It is actually a better source of income for the team as every dollar goes directly to the team, With the merchandise sales we make about $7-$10 on each item on average and it is a lot more work. The team is well prepared to compete hard for the World Championship. Your support had made it possible for us to get this far. Please look at our DONOR page and see all of the great companies and individuals that have made this campaign possible. Next Stop TURKEY GO USA!!! Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Last Call for US F3J Team Apparel
Well with a raffle like that you should surely make your numbers. Some awesome prizes, so I bought a sh*#load of tickets. Hope I win. And if I don't oh well it was a great donation. (Better than the Casino) I just might even buy more before July 18th. Then again a jacket would be cool... Do you have any raincoats? :-) (raining here again) Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine */Jim Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Darn - I forget to include the web link... I hate that... :) http://ww.usf3jteam.com Jim From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:48 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Last Call for US F3J Team Apparel Thanks very much to everyone that has made this fundraising campaign as successful as it has been. We are about 1 week away from departure now and getting very excited! We are still working towards the final $3000 need to balance our budget. Your generous sales and contributions have raised about $2000 in the last 2 weeks. This is phenomenal… We recently were made aware of an accounting problem from the AMA and it added about $800 to our fundraising needs. We are putting a final push on to close the budget deficit. We will continue to take raffle sales through our return on the 8th of July. The following Saturday the 12th of July we will draw the winners. We will be closing all merchandise sales on Friday 6/20/2008. We still have a large stock of tee shirts short/long sleeve, pockets and not. We wanted to offer free shipping on any in-stock order, but it was too hard to manage the inventory, SO we are offering FREE shipping on all new orders placed now through next Friday. We will ship all in-stock orders before we leave. Any order with items not in stock will be ordered from the printer but will need to wait for our return to be fulfilled. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wanted: DLG RTF
Looking for a competitive DLG Ready to Fly. I have been just too busy this year to even fly much let alone build anything. Ideally looking for something I could possibly pickup in Madison or St Louis. Email me off the list. Thanks, Steve Meyer Racine, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy!
Just a foot? Your lucky, although a foot or 3 feet doesn't make much difference. Except it's getting difficult to move the snow off the driveway when the piles are close to 6' tall! Some people pay money for this much exercise. Spring is just around the corner. Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI Richard Burnoski wrote: Dear some what spoiled,At least we get to fly on one of our 60 to 200 acre sites sporting manicured 1-1/4 sod when the foot of snow goes away. I enjoy the building season and making up with the wife for being gone all summer long golfing and flying. not too spoiled, Richard - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* soaring@airage.com mailto:soaring@airage.com *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:35 PM *Subject:* [RCSE] Dedicated to Gordy! The sun beaming through the window awakened me early this morning. A quick check on the computer confirmed that it was going to be another glorious day. So it was off to Poway. I stopped at the 7-11 and picked up some ice. I thought that if I stuck my hands in the ice, I could get close to the feeling of flying in Louisville or Chicago! It didn't work as the 77 degree temperature warmed my hands before I could launch. About three hours of air time in about 4 hours at the field with the Supra, Rogue 2.0, Blaster and E Blaster. I only had a high start as the winch motor is being refurbished, but the Supra and Rogue did not seem to care. Thermals were plentiful with plenty of 10 minute flights and a few good landings. Another beautiful day in Southern California. And Gordy? Don Richmond RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra Flap Link Insert Changed
I used .03 CF rods to pin the top and bottom skins around the bump together. Seems to work well. Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: / Today was the last day for top actuated flaps. Lots of glue, fiberglass tape and words did not fix the problem so tonight they will be converted to bottom horns and linkage. After two years of landing with the flaps down, the mounts seem to unrepairable. If I had DP's thumbs, I could get the flaps up before they hit the ground./ The Supra has come a long way baby :-) With the help of all of us. Wing bolt mount pod changes, longer bolts, wing sub rib changes, layup changes, and both the aileron link insert and now flap inserts too...and lets not forget that now the ailerons go all the way to the tips...they are lighter now and stiffer too on the current batch of wings coming to Barry's den of storage. A short while back, well maybe a year or so, it was pretty clear that the area where the aileron inserts were mounted and how they were mounted needed to be changed for linkage geometry and durability, you can tell the new version because the hump is a bit taller. Those of you who hit the landing spot too hard like me, find pretty soon a bubble in the skin around the flap inserts on top. And the flaps not moving together and a lot of slop too. You glue it and glue it but in the end like Don the answer is to put carbon horns in the bottom The new wing has a far more durable link insert for both the ailerons and flaps. Mine? I think I have one more gluing left before I switch over to bottom horns :-) Gordy // RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] LSF Election Results
To: All LSF members and interested parties The election committee, Marc Gellart and Steve Meyer, have totaled votes for the Runoff LSF President election and submit the results as follows. There were 204 votes cast, (not counting duplicate votes). 16 Votes were deemed ineligible. 90 Votes were cast for Jack Strother 98 Votes were cast for Mike Stump - Congratulations to Mike Stump and Thanks to everyone who participated. Respectfully submitted, Steve Meyer RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
Agree At 05:32 PM 1/11/2008, Jeff Steifel wrote: Too bad Tom, This has been at a very good thread. Different ideas have been presented, hopefully some of the opinions hit there mark. Also what's nice is that people are talking. It's been a while since that happened. Tom Nagel wrote: So far I have deleted approximately 793 RCSE messages on the topic of Contest Format, without reading any of them after the first one or two. How about a new thread? How many RCSE readers out there are deleting all the RCSE messages captioned Contest Format without reading them. Oh. Wait a minute. Those folks won't be seeing this messge. Never mind. Tom H. Nagel Judicatum Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
Since it seems we need to make it interesting for the next generation to participate in our hobby, perhaps we should just hand out participation ribbons to everyone? Or perhaps the Top 3rd get a Blue Ribbon, Middle 3rd get Red Ribbons, and the last 3rd or thermalling challenged get White Ribbons. LOL Everybody wins and nobody should be offended. Jeeez, what's this world coming to. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Format
Will it be, I beat Gordy buttons for everyone!? Wow, I feel better already. :-) At 10:53 AM 1/11/2008, Jack Strother wrote: I think we should try this at the Next SOAR Contest. Heck Buttons for everybody, we all show up and win, then off for Margs !!! Hey no equipment issues either -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since it seems we need to make it interesting for the next generation to participate in our hobby, perhaps we should just hand out participation ribbons to everyone? Or perhaps the Top 3rd get a Blue Ribbon, Middle 3rd get Red Ribbons, and the last 3rd or thermalling challenged get White Ribbons. LOL Everybody wins and nobody should be offended. Jeeez, what's this world coming to. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Format
LOL. Does this mean I will have watch the same dudes getting old and still winning? DP will have to think of new naming schemes, I don't think Old Gas Bag will sell too well. Perhaps Skegless will. :-) At 11:44 AM 1/11/2008, Tom Copp wrote: Yes, I see the same thing too. The Europeans make F3J and F3B the F1 of soaring and because they do they bring in the new guys. You will get your butt kicked when you start out and what do they do to help you? Nothing its sink or swim. The best teacher I ever had was a good ass kicking! Getting old? Can't see? Tough, move over old man there are 50 new guys waiting to replace you.
RE: [RCSE] Contest Format
Is it the type of Society or contest formats that are changing the competitive soaring environment? Overall USA Club membership/participation is down. From my perspective the Europeans have more vacation time and spendable income than USA residents have experienced in over 30 years. Remember when the 40 hour work week was standard? And most had 4 weeks vacation by the time they were 30. Perhaps more science needs to be taught in school? Perhaps too much emphasis on sports and not education? Soaring geeks in the USA just don't rank high on the celebrity list. I think many of the answers and solutions are rooted deep in the economic and social threads of our society. The USA is losing it's position in the world. We have to just follow now. Steve Meyer At 11:00 AM 1/11/2008, Tom Copp wrote: Wow lots of stuff here. In general contests outside the USA are well attended. Contests attendance inside the USA is diminishing. Why? Outside the USA they typically fly F3J or a local version of F3J with F3B winches that the pilots supply btw. They are strict about being on the line in time; they don't soften the task for anyone. They play hardball over there and their attendance is thriving. Inside the USA most of our formats are the same since the late 70's while our models have evolved over the last 30+ years the contests have not. Our attendance is shrinking, we give in to a sandbagger, and we don't want to change anything to keep the pilots we have coming back. We don't push ourselves to try anything new and learn something. Sure the new guy has lots to learn starting from zero but after 6 months what is next? Guys soaring is not difficult. How many of us are significantly better pilots after the first 2 or 3 years? What have you learned the last 3 years? We quit flying if the conditions get a little rough. You can choose your issue all day long as why we get board or why attendance is shrinking. BTW, Each and every contest I have been to is a social event! That's the nature of humans. We tend to have fun when we can. I would say lets play a little hardball and push our skills a bit and move up a peg. The USA was at one time a soaring leader we sure can't say that anymore. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Supra Info
Yea. Both of mine have been repaired and reinforced. :-( Happened when I wasn't even trying to make a landing. You always pay a price for being on the bleading edge. At 11:47 AM 12/30/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Aileron and flap horn insert area has been changed to reduce the chance of de lamination. You can tell if yours have been bummed with enthusiasm on a landing, there will be a bubble right above where the insert is. Gordy In a message dated 12/29/2007 11:08:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daryl, Here's an email I got some time ago from one of my East European friends with a full description of the changes Vladimir made to some of his models...I posted it on bayrc.com but forgot to post it here. I changed the order so the Supra info is first. It looks like the hot setup is the Supra Carbon / Glass Light :-) Craig Dear friends, A year of hard work yielded a number of exciting new products we are happy to offer to you for Christmas: 3. Supra's ailerons became longer, they are now available across the full length of the wings tip section. 4. Wings tip of Supra Glass have been redesigned, which reduced their weight by 7...8 grams (0.25...0.28 oz)--now, they are 18...20 grams (0.6...0.7 oz) lighter than the wing tips of Supra Carbon Light. The new design also resulted in the greatly increased strength of the ailerons. In our opinion, the best combination for F3J competition is a model with the central wing section from Supra Carbon or Supra Carbon Light and the wing tips from Supra Glass. We call this combo Supra Carbon/Glass Light. 1. DLG Blaster2 is now also offered for left hand launch! When placing an order, you can add a note which version, left- or right-handed, you would like (by default, we ship right-handed version). 2. Graphite 2 is now manufactured with a new nose section for electric power system. The new nose is much safer and more convenient: http://www.airplane-model.com/graphite2e.htmlhttp://www.airplane-model.com/graphite2e.html Yourâs sincerely, Vladimir Gavrilko. (c) Vladimir's Model - 2007 http://www.airplane-model.com/www.airplane-model.com -- See AOL's http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304top rated recipes and http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop000303easy ways to stay in shape for winter.
[RCSE] 2008 Schedules
It's that time of year to grab vacation days for work. All I have so far is. LSF NATS 7/27 - 8/3 SOARING MASTERS 9/18 - 9/21 Any additions to this list yet? Steve Meyer LSF IV Racine, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Launch Limiting
At 08:00 PM 12/21/2007, Jerry Shape wrote: Dayton CDs (me)also threaten contestants at every pilots meeting not to break my lines or pop off . Does that work for Gordy!?!? :-) Mr Popovalot. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity
At 09:44 PM 12/21/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I propose that we get the Soaring Nats winches resistorised for this years Soaring Nats and with lighter line than the 300 lb test line that we have migrated to this last year. ... But they launched a 52 oz 2 meter Duck in downwind with no problem. Full pedal all the way. Long live the duck. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2
Good discussions and comments. Glad to see you stepping up Rick and testing the waters. I for one think that the line is getting too heavy because the winches are just too powerful. So who's going to draft and propose the rules change? Should the wording and strength be same as F3B winches? I do not think monofilament will work on borrowed club winches it will just get too torn up and will be expensive to maintain. Bad monofilament line will break and delay a contest more than a FLS with 150# line. What will it cost to retrofit FLS winches to meet the new specification? At 05:02 PM 12/20/2007, Rick Bothell wrote: Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor. I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches. The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year. The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines. So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors. Rick Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
Well Craig there is a lot of information and commentary in your message. If I care to comment. It's too bad for Don that he is in a state that is forcing illegal immigrants, (low paid), out of the state or the unlikely, back to the country they came from. If the US Government would get off their a$$ and create an immigration policy every business in America would at least have a level playing field in regards to employment costs. (And if you donate enough $$ your business could benefit by being on the best part of the level field.) Protection of the dollar starts by having a strong fiscal policy and having trade protection against dangerous and inferior products that Americans cannot seem to buy enough of. Seems like the government and many citizens are just living for today and buying everything that they can. Fun for short term, but now we are paying the price, thus making our imported toys too expensive. I know many ICON fliers none of them fit in the prissy category. Perhaps California is living up to it's reputation. ;-) Mmmm Pumpkin Pie... Do you make your own crust? Flame suit? You should just try a couple of Ove Gloves now with silicone grips, very coool. :-) Craig I am almost certain you did not attain level 3 at age 10, so, eat your heart out man, good for you. But does she cook and clean? :-) Just be careful on what you wish for. :-) I guess I see the reason for still being at Level 3. Gee, DP manages to attain high RC soaring status and to have a GF, now that's cool. You need to ask him how he does it. :-))) Of course now that I think of it maybe he is just researching names for his next sailplane. Steve Meyer At 01:12 AM 12/19/2007, Craig Allen wrote: Maybe Don will do like the European manufactures do and have a lower price for domestic sales and another higher price for export... Then maybe some of us working stiffs could afford an Icon2... Due to the low low low dollar, all of America is almost free for the taking (Dam Bush) !!! A Canadian Loon is worth more than a Dollar! If In God We Trust were true.. God would never let a loony Bird be worth more than a dollar !!! :- My only knock on the Icon was who flew it... A little too prissy for my taste.. U know who U are!!! :-) hehe Since I'm baking my killer home made pumpkin pie (From scratch) I have my flame suit on :- Craig... LSF 3 and holding for 36 years... Hell, I just reralized thats over 10 years longer than my current girlfriend is old:- LoL... I'm the luckiest man in the WORLD :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] the Must-Have Gift for the 2.4ghz Contest Director
LOL You Geeks crack me up. :-) Still shoveling snow in Wisconsin. Steve Meyer At 04:33 PM 12/17/2007, Mike Lachowski wrote: Now if we can get ones that recognize Spektrum or the other 2.4 systems to show who is on at the field. Or better for old school, 72 meg shirts that tell you when your channel is on. That would be a lot better than clothes pins Jon Stone wrote: Better yet... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ Ben Wilson wrote: Not that you'll necessarily *need* one of these 'cause 2.4ghz is going to solve All Of Our Radio Problems(tm), buu Wi-Spy 2.4ghz USB Spectrum Analyzer http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/80ce/ $200 w/ Chanalyzer 2.0 software! (there's also a $300 version with better resolution and an external TX jack: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/9558/) Ben Wilson Louisville Area Soaring Society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Icon/High End
Daryl It is a strange name, but it still could qualify as one of your X's. bseg Steve Meyer At 09:47 AM 12/13/2007, Daryl Perkins wrote: You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the High End is pretty. I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of lists... ;-) D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: 2008 Nats Schedule
Bubba I agree. Looking forward to Soaring Camp. Steve Meyer At 10:26 AM 12/12/2007, Robglover wrote: Now this is some great news. I'm now looking forward to seeing Jo in addition to the rest of you guys. And for the record, I really don't care how the schedule is arranged. I'll find something to fly every day, in whatever order necessary. My only problem is deciding which event to fly when there are 2 being run at the same time. If we had a few more days I could fly them all. Bubba Jo Grini Wrote: Wow stop the press. What way is Norway again? West-downunder or ontop? If I go straight line it might happen in 8 hours I think... This year the schedule is perfect for me since it is not at WC time... And finally I am on the same frequencies Hilsen (regards) Jo Grini ---that contributed to Ben un--subscribing Gamleveien 2910 Aurdal Norway mob +47 90898709 www.jojoen.no [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robglover Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784713 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule
Technically it is still Autumn until December 22 00:22 :-( At 04:07 PM 12/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus we have the official beginning of winter on RCSE Denny Maize www.polecataero.com 717-789-0146 -Original Message- From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 5:00 pm Subject: RE: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National Championship unless it's on the west coast. Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's... Please disregard my previous statement. JD -Original Message- From: Bill's Email [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:55 PM To: mailto:soaring@airage.comsoaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule What?? No Open Scale hand launch cross country?? Kurt Zimmerman wrote: Gives us entertainment for the up and coming year :-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- More new features than ever. Check out the new http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503AOL Mail!
Re: [RCSE] Score Keeping Using Bar Codes,
A quick google search uncovered this site. http://idautomation.com/scanenable/ Lot's of reading and information. When I was Scorekeeper at the NATS I was playing with the idea of bar coding each scorecard. Shoot the card then enter the time and landing. But the pay was bad and I had better things to do with my time. Good luck... Just find good data entry people. :-) Steve Meyer At 09:50 PM 11/4/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second Attempt to Send This Message Does anyone have any experience using bar codes for score keeping purposes? Can anyone direct me to information about using bar codes and a scanner to open cells in a spread sheet and entering data into those cells? Can the information commonly found on a score card be printed as bar codes on a separate sheet of paper, the hand written card read by the data entry person and then the appropriate codes scanned from the pre-printed sheet into the correct cells on a spread sheet? In short, does anyone have any information about using bar codes for score keeping purposes? Has anyone determined that it is not worth the effort to attempt this task in this way? The following link leads to our newsletter. In the left hand column of the opening page is a link to #7, our October contest. http://www.sc-2.org/web/news/SC2-Web/SC2Frames.htm Take a look at our score sheets to better understand my questions. While there, take a look at our monthly newsletter. We have many pleased readers and lots of colorful photos. Thanks in advance for any help that may be offered.including any that may be offered by Gordy. Feel free to respond directly to me at the address given below. If I learn anything helpful I will report that information at a later time. Gene Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] SWSA Scorekeeper, Southern California Soaring Clubs West Covina, CA
Re: [RCSE] I Beat Gordy - Tangerine 06 Buttons....IF Huntsville, Tullahoma, Georgia,VA,
What are you saying Chuck? Don't like driving 12 hours? Don't like traveling through Atlanta? Or Don't like Man on Man? :-) Steve At 02:13 PM 11/3/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: At 10:55 AM 11/3/2006, you wrote: Hi guys, I'll be talking to Ben Wilson (inventor publisher of the coveted world wide I Beat Gordy buttons)...to cook some special edition buttons for the Florida Tangerine ChampionshipBUT I am on a quest to get my 20+ man contests in for my LSF5 journey SO I need everyone to come! This is a Man on Man, Seeded, RES, 2m, Unlimited event with a special added mini event at the enda Fly Off! Simple L4 landings, so what not to gas up for? Come on USA, make your plan for the weekend following Thanksgiving! Yes you too John Stone, and Bubba, and Randy and Clevelands and Chuck and well everyone! See you there! Gordy Sorry but I won't be driving 12 hours on I75 through Atlanta on a holiday weekend to fly on a man on man contest. Chuck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DX7 range
Thanks John, Not bad, two hour thermals will be a breeze. :-) Guess I will need to replace my new 9303 as soon as the 9303-DX7 is available. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 06:43 AM 10/20/2006, John Diniz wrote: 40 mA, same as the DX-6 receiver. Normal PCM is 12-15 mA. JD -Original Message- From: S Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 10/19/2006 6:40 PM To: Bill Swingle Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] DX7 range No to be a pessimist but did you see a mention of any power draw on the Receiver? May need to go to LiPo receiver batteries. Steve At 02:24 PM 10/19/2006, Bill Swingle wrote: Excellent observation. How many of us have flow behind an obstruction? Intentionally or not it happens! Wow, this puts it into perspective for me. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Stopwatch Recommendation
What happens when you have to do a time like 6:53? Such as a contest where an add up total flight time occurs. Our yearly Turkey shoot because of a weighted time formula, target times do not necessarily end up on the whole minute. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:42 PM 10/17/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: Glad I don't have a problem finding a stopwatch. I don't fly hand launch and I don't countdown for the landing. Thirty five years ago, we didn't have fancy countdown watches so I learned to land counting up for the last minute. My landing pattern is opposite the touchdown point at 30, turn base at 40, roll out on final at 50, and touch down at 60. I paid $6 for my last stopwatch at Walmart. :-) Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DX7 range
No to be a pessimist but did you see a mention of any power draw on the Receiver? May need to go to LiPo receiver batteries. Steve At 02:24 PM 10/19/2006, Bill Swingle wrote: Excellent observation. How many of us have flow behind an obstruction? Intentionally or not it happens! Wow, this puts it into perspective for me. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WSM Raffle
I would have traded you a, DVDe!! lol Steve At 08:14 PM 9/29/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: That didn't take long, and I am very happy for the new recipient of my raffle prize, I know he met all the requirements. Thanks again Lee and Castle Creations for you support in the sailplane community! At 08:00 PM 9/29/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: It was quite the raffle at the WSM contest last weekend as you can still hear the echos of DVDee lingering in the forums of the Internet. ;-) Castle Creations was another vendor that supported the WSM and donated generously to the raffle, they gave away many, many tiny Berg 7p receivers and other electronic goodies. I won one of these receivers, thank you very much Lee and the guys at Castle Creations. However, I can't use this rx so I want to re-donate it to the first person that emails that also fits these requirements: A) Someone that didn't get to attend the masters but wanted to. B) Someone that flies HLG or has a good use for this tiny rx, I really want to see it be used. C) Someone who will send a personal thank you letter to Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] in appreciation for this gift and being such a generous vendor to the sailplane community. P.S. I'll only ship to the lower 48 states, and this is the rx only, there is no crystal with it. Thanks, Jim Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sheldon Smith where are you?
Dude, your email server is unavailable. Which email? Email me your phone number. Sorry everyone else. Steve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Top end speed in MPH ! Math quiz
Thanks Mark, Along the similar topic/discussion; What type of airspeed is typical right at ping of zoom? And also what would be a general figure to determine velocity vs seconds of vertical climb? You could even use Supra values. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 11:36 AM 9/26/2006, Mark Drela wrote: First of all, if the glider is being pulled level, the winch doesn't see the weight, only the drag. The drag is tiny compared to the winch's pull capability, so it will be spinning at nearly its zero-load speed. I think a typical Ford LS 6V has Kv=350 rpm/Volt, so at 12 Volts it will be spinning at rpm = 350*12 = 4200 rpm = 70 rps With a 3 diameter drum, the line speed will be 3 * pi * 70 rps = 660 in/s = 55 ft/s = 37.5 mph Seems about right. In any case, you can check it by timing how long it takes the winch to pull the chute some measured distance. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Top end speed in MPH ! Math quiz
Never Mind. Should have finished reading thread before asking questions. Thanks Tony. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 11:36 AM 9/26/2006, Mark Drela wrote: First of all, if the glider is being pulled level, the winch doesn't see the weight, only the drag. The drag is tiny compared to the winch's pull capability, so it will be spinning at nearly its zero-load speed. I think a typical Ford LS 6V has Kv=350 rpm/Volt, so at 12 Volts it will be spinning at rpm = 350*12 = 4200 rpm = 70 rps With a 3 diameter drum, the line speed will be 3 * pi * 70 rps = 660 in/s = 55 ft/s = 37.5 mph Seems about right. In any case, you can check it by timing how long it takes the winch to pull the chute some measured distance. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale at Soaring Masters
Airtronics Stylus accessories available at the Masters. Transmitter Modules, all in excellent shape, $40.00 each. Some have Airtronics and Hitec Crystals available for $5.00 each. Channels 24 - 27 - 36 - 43 - 53 1100 mAh NiCd battery pack, batteries are 3 years old, measures over 1100. $29.00 1100 mAh NiCd battery pack, batteries are 5 months old. $35.00 700 mAh NiCd battery pack, age unknown, tests out over 750 mAh $29.00 Steven Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale: Airtronics Stylus Accessories
Items are for Airtronics Stylus. Available at or after the Masters 9/24. Email me for details. Transmitter Modules, all in excellent shape, $44.00 each. Some have Airtronics and Hitec Crystals available $5.00. Channel 24 Channel 27 Channel 36 Channel 43 Channel 53 2 okay used Antennas, $4.00 each 1 Brand new in bag, Antenna, $16.00 Memory Card, $59.00 1100 mAh NiCd battery pack, batteries are 2 seasons old. $34.00 1100 mAh NiCd battery pack, batteries are 5 months (1 season) old. $38.00 700 mAh NiCd battery pack, age unknown, Tests at approx 750 mAh $34.00 If you want it shipped, shipping charges will apply. Pictures available soon at http://StevenMeyer.net/coppermine Steven Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion
Maybe Don Harban should just figure out how to form a club and get as many as possible to join. Schools, Boy Scouts, 4-H, etc. Maybe we all missed the point and we should be spending more time preachin' instead of practicing soaring. Steven Meyer LSF IV At 08:44 PM 9/8/2006, dharban wrote: I am an LSF Level V aspirant who sat out for about 20 years. I'm retired and I'm back at it. It is my intention to pursue it with all the vigor I can muster. Realistically, my chances of attaining it are remote. Frankly, the flight tasks are not intimidating to me in the least. The competition tasks are another matter. I figure that if I practice at least 10 or 12 hours a week, I _might_ hone my skills to where I could complete those tasks in 30 or 40 attempts. Where I live, this necessitates traveling a minimum of 270 miles one way to the nearest qualified events. To get into 6 qualifying events per year will require another five trips with minimum 1000 mile round trips each. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Clarification- ESL Contest was tough on me today and Deleware...
LMAO Bill your too much. At 10:04 PM 9/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 09/13/2006 8:47:24 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true. Even Butch beat gordy. At least that is what the T-shirt said. Careful. I've broken the code and indications are that this might be a dangerous cult responsible for promulgating evil conspiracies. Could require an intervention and reprogramming. I B.E.A.T. GORDY stands for I Believe Everything About The Gordy The helicopters that didn't show up when I discovered this were black. Must...get... back... to/click/.lost signal .white noise...
Re: [RCSE] SOAR OVSS #8 Fred Fredrickson contest
It was tough conditions with overcast and threats of rain all day. But the rain stayed away long enough for us to squeeze in 3 rounds. Marc Gellart captured the coveted two day overall win with a win on Sunday. And he did it without his Insanity on Sunday. Hats off to the hard working crew: Tom Kallevang, CD Robin Meek, Winchmaster + Setup Wayne Fredette, Launch Master Peggy and Pat Crosby and Don Smith, Scoring Jim McCarthy, Food Pat's custom application for seeded man on man competition worked great and helped keep the contest moving quickly. I would expect Pat Crosby to be putting up scores and pics soon. http://www.SOARchicago.com Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...
At 10:57 PM 9/11/2006, Jay Hunter wrote: Ok, now the questions... 1. To the competitive pilots, how often do you practice a week? 1 day a week for an hour? several times a week? How long are your sessions? Practice is over-rated. 2. How often does the wind change during a flying session? It seems the wind changes by 45 degrees every 10-15 minutes. Most of my flying sites are surrounded by trees. That's your thermal cycle. The largest thermals are moving through and moving the air. 3. In a 2 servo plane how low do you allow the voltage go in a 4 cell pack? Why measure, jut wait until it gets sluggish. (About 4.0 volts) I try to base my battery life on flight time. :-) We are only talking 2 channel Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What about a BBQ at the Soaring Master's????
I'll be sure to bring some Wisconsin brewed beer. At 01:33 PM 9/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: got ya covered for Sat night. Joe Dirr -- JD Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be camping there, so if there is a BBQ, I'll eat it! :) ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org Danny C Williams wrote: I was just thinking / wondering ( I know a rare thing...thinking that is...but anyway ) Is anyone going to do a BBQ at the WSM Dr. Danny Williams D.C. Silence is golden, But Duck tape is silver Colorado Springs, Colorado RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Well put Jim, my sentiments exactly. At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, Jim Porter wrote: Pat McCleave wrote: Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the current system as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for those pilots who do not choose or do not have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete the list of tasks. Unfortunately ALL of this still misses the original intent of the contest requirement. The contest requirement was designed to bring flyers together to compare skills, to promote the transfer of skills and information and to INCREASE PARTICIPATION. If you have a core group of pilots, as few as two, who have even a minimal level of success, they can pass this success on to others. It's a synergistic thing that can rapidly grow to the point where it's possible to have regular LOCAL contests with at least ten guys on most any weekend. These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a chance to win. They are there because it's FUN. And, this does not require a $2,000 moldie and a $600+ computer radio - it can be done with a 'lowly' Gentle Lady, Spirit, Aspire or HOB 2 x 4. The REAL problem with all of this is that it takes a little effort by each individual to promote soaring, taking time away from each individuals flying time. Realizing that many are not willling to put forth this effort is one of many reasons we are suffering the lack of participation in soaring. Perception plays a very big role in things. We really need to keep that in mind. Consider the answers to the following two questions. Why do you want to work through the levels of the LSF? What do you/we gain if there is a separate advancement scheme? regards, Jim Porter Johnston Iowa USA The airplane stays up because it doesn't have the time to fall. Orville Wright RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Masters Pilot Roster Update - Did you notice...???
Awesome. The Famous Mark Smith. At 10:56 AM 9/7/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that I am not the only Smith on the Roster? Hope you guys remember Mark Smith. Mark's Models Dynaflight, previous National Champ, LSF No. 19.??? Ringing any bells out there? I am sure it is. You will recognize him by his right arm. It is in a sling due to all of the arm twisting inflicted by ME :-) This is going to be a very fun event. I am looking forward to seeing everybody again, and coming out to fly in Muncie for the 3rd time this year. I really do love that field. See you all in a couple weeks. Mike Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Masters Pilot Roster Update From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, September 06, 2006 11:36 pm To: soaring@airage.com The Pilot roster was updated on the Soaring Masters website: http://www.worldsoaringmasters.com/blog/general/PilotRoster2006.html This is looking like a strong contest! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
I started traveling to Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky to attend contests. First it was because that was where the HL contests were at. Now mainly TD contests. It was not just for the LSF points, I met some great guys along the way, learned a lot from all the different people, and had a lot of fun as well. I could move closer to theses areas but I choose to live where I am. The current LSF system is designed for the pilot who wants interact with other pilots, teach and learn at the same time. As far as getting a Level V win from a SOAR club contest. Fat chance, I have resided that I will have to attend smaller contests in far places. Away from guys like, Rich Burnoski, Karl Miller, Jim McCarthy, Tom Kallevang, Jim Bacus, and more. And now the upcoming novice of the group Pat Crosby, watch out he's a good stick. So be careful what you wish for. To attain Level 5 requires dedication, commitment, and yes, money. There is no hobby out there if you want to be good you have to spend money. From Gardening to Cycling, they all have an expensive side to them. And they all take what few of us have... time. Steve Meyer LSF IV At 08:02 AM 9/7/2006, Pat McCleave wrote: Steven, Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the current system as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for those pilots who do not choose or do not have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete the list of tasks. Funny thing is, almost all of those that are so apposed to any change just happen to be fortunate enough to be involved with clubs that have regular monthly contests 20 or more pilots. Maybe if the shoe were on the other foot and you guys had to travel hundreds of miles and spend hundreds of dollars everytime you wanted to attend a contest with 20 or more people, you might see it another way. If I were a new guy just starting out and did not already know several of the people on here, I would get the feeling that most of you guys were a pretty elitist group and could care less about new pilots joining the group. I know this is not the case, because like I said, I know most of you know differently but a new guy just signing up on the list would not know that. Perception plays a very big role in things. We really need to keep that in mind. See Ya, Pat RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
It just occurred to me that a good explanation of why some want a New achievement program may be the same reason that involvement by new blood is diminishing. Nobody has any time to enjoy themselves. The 40 hour work week is gone and if you get more than 2 weeks vacation consider yourself lucky. Perhaps an achievement program that rewards point for posting to RCSE. :-) Oh yea, I'm at work. This message paid for by my employer. :-) Steve Soaring Exchange Level V LSF Level IV At 10:35 AM 9/7/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: Steve makes some really good points here. We were already traveling on weekends 100's of miles just to go fly with others, the LSF tasks didn't start us off on that. We didn't get our contest task points at home because we have a big club, we had to go on the road for those points because the pilots within our club are so strong and there are a layer of guys on top that are very difficult to beat. All hobbies can be expensive, but perhaps the largest expense in this day and age is the time to spend with them. Well written Steve. At 09:12 AM 9/7/2006, S Meyer wrote: I started traveling to Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky to attend contests. First it was because that was where the HL contests were at. Now mainly TD contests. It was not just for the LSF points, I met some great guys along the way, learned a lot from all the different people, and had a lot of fun as well. I could move closer to theses areas but I choose to live where I am. The current LSF system is designed for the pilot who wants interact with other pilots, teach and learn at the same time. As far as getting a Level V win from a SOAR club contest. Fat chance, I have resided that I will have to attend smaller contests in far places. Away from guys like, Rich Burnoski, Karl Miller, Jim McCarthy, Tom Kallevang, Jim Bacus, and more. And now the upcoming novice of the group Pat Crosby, watch out he's a good stick. So be careful what you wish for. To attain Level 5 requires dedication, commitment, and yes, money. There is no hobby out there if you want to be good you have to spend money. From Gardening to Cycling, they all have an expensive side to them. And they all take what few of us have... time. Steve Meyer LSF IV At 08:02 AM 9/7/2006, Pat McCleave wrote: Steven, Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about changing the current system as it is about adding a separate system to the fold for those pilots who do not choose or do not have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete the list of tasks. Funny thing is, almost all of those that are so apposed to any change just happen to be fortunate enough to be involved with clubs that have regular monthly contests 20 or more pilots. Maybe if the shoe were on the other foot and you guys had to travel hundreds of miles and spend hundreds of dollars everytime you wanted to attend a contest with 20 or more people, you might see it another way. If I were a new guy just starting out and did not already know several of the people on here, I would get the feeling that most of you guys were a pretty elitist group and could care less about new pilots joining the group. I know this is not the case, because like I said, I know most of you know differently but a new guy just signing up on the list would not know that. Perception plays a very big role in things. We really need to keep that in mind. See Ya, Pat RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF Comments
Interesting... When I started working on the LSF tasks I had no inclination to do any contesting. Once I passed Level II I figured I would see what this contesting thing was all about. I showed up with my 99 Big Birdy and actually had fun, even though I was consistently last. Contesting opened a whole new world for me. I have many friends and acquaintances from the Soaring community, life would not be complete without knowing them. Thanks Buds for making it enjoyable. (I would thank many by name, but this is starting to sound like a eulogy.) You know who you are. Steven Meyer LSF IV At 03:14 PM 9/7/2006, Mark Howard wrote: Hey this is EXACTLY how I felt when I started the program. Maybe you'll change your mind too. Good luck with the tasks! Mark LSF V#115 -Original Message- From: Harold Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:28 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] LSF Comments I may be the newest LSF applicant. I signed up Sunday... As for me, I am going to go as far as I can with what I got. Harold Jackson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The ultimate chute retrieval cart
LOL. A poor mans Segway. :-) At 01:56 PM 9/7/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: http://www.yachtsee.com/cruzincooler.htm Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Masters Pilot Roster Update
WOW! Nowhere has so much talent gathered for one weekend. Incredible to see so many excellent pilots..., worth the price of admission. Steve Meyer LSF IV At 01:36 AM 9/7/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: The Pilot roster was updated on the Soaring Masters website: http://www.worldsoaringmasters.com/blog/general/PilotRoster2006.html This is looking like a strong contest! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Here is my comment on this subject. Not everybody can be a Level V, otherwise there would be no reason to attain it. No reason to change rules so more can reach the apogee. Next they will want a handicap system for world competition. The few the proud... I aspire to be a level V. Steven Meyer LSF IV 1/2 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: damn level Vs
Must be that damn big plane. :-) Steve Meyer LSF IV At 12:21 AM 8/15/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What can you say. Damn level Vs will kick your ass every time they want to. We did six 13min rounds and Mark got them all Jerry Shape RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] DARTS SUN CONTEST
LOL That is what I was thinking. Steve At 09:01 AM 8/15/2006, Marc Gellart wrote: Learned that from JB... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR 9303
Have a couple questions for the JR guys. What is the MD2 Mod? Is the Synth module Pos or Neg Shift? Thanks, Steven Meyer LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2M Rambles
Daryl, Can I recommend a simple name, 2D. I'm sure there was a double D girl is in the past. Of course if you've hung around Southern Calif maybe 2M is not outta the question. :-) Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 02:54 PM 8/1/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: ... I'm going to do a new 2M in the next few months. I'm not just going to focus on the wing, but on the fuse as well. We're seeing gains in F3B with small cross section fuses. I think I can shave some weight, and some drag here as well. I've broken up with multiple women in the last few months... need to do enough models to keep up with the naming process... ;-) Possibly Lil Beeotch - we'll see D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal soaring an aphrodisiac?
No wonder I flew a 2.5 hour thermal flight for Cross Country at the NATS. Better than having a cigarette. Happy Thermalling. Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 07:34 PM 8/1/2006, Jim Deck wrote: OK, so I'm watching two Cooper's hawks cavorting in and around my lilac bushes. One grabs a dead branch from the ground and parades around and the other prances around and opens its wings. I watched this strange activity for about an hour then looked up the habits of Cooper's hawks. Turns out I was watching the second phase of their mating ritual which is preceded by, get this, 30 to 45 minutes of thermal soaring. Hmm... Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
Next year there will be at least 2, I plan on being there for 2M using the wing from Mike's old 2M. Duck's are expensive, I'd rather buy an unlimited plane than buy a 2M Duck. Only need to fly it 3 days a year, (one day of practice). Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 07:45 PM 7/29/2006, Marc Gellart wrote: Ya, one flew, it was Mike Lackowski's(sp), and it blew up about half way through the event... Marc - Original Message - From: Paul Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments Was anyone flying the Mark Drela designed Aegea 2M at the NATS? The design for the Aegea 2M was posted to the Allegro-Lite group in August 2002, so it seems to be contemporaneous with the Mantis 2M the Organic 2M. On 29/07/2006, at 11:00 AM, tony estep wrote: From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...the dominant design utilized by the top ten finishers was the venerable Duck... A very fine post in its entirety, Jim. 2-Meters is a world unto itself, and when good flyers go at it, it's a very worthwhile event. You have to launch to the moon, then find lift quick, because the little planes come down in a hurry and don't travel well if you hit sink. The dominance of the Duck design seems to me to have some interesting implications. U.S. flyers generally have disdained V- tail airplanes, but the Duck shows that they can learn to love 'em if the tail is big enough. Additionally, the Duck has a fairly low AR wing and is pretty heavy; these characteristics don't match the current fashion, but in this class they seem to prove out to be best in practice. It would be neat to see a resurgence of interest in 2M, just to see what other design tweaks might come along. It seems that there hasn't been much design activity in this class since the Organic and 2M Mantis. Maybe there's a world-beater out there to be discovered. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments
I learned that smaller the wings the faster it drops. The higher you go the harder it is to see. Wingspan is king, ask DP, Marc Gellart, or any of the number of top pilots in unlimited flying Sharons. I flew my first plane in 2M, a Wanderer, what a hoot. I installed a Picolario and was amazed that at 890 feet it looked like my unlimited ship at 1800 feet. If I need a thermalling challenge I fly DLG. Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 07:33 AM 7/31/2006, Rick Eckel wrote: Somehow this seems wrong headed :-). If you are going to buy an airplane buy a 2meter. It qualifies to fly in both 2meter and unlimited contests! And if you're not practicing with a 2meter you aren't learning anything IMHO. No wait! On second thought - don't buy a 2meter. They fly lousy and are a waste of money. Only an unlimited ship is worth the bother. (Whew! Almost shot myself in the foot there.) Thermals :-) Rick At 08:21 AM 7/31/2006, S Meyer wrote: Next year there will be at least 2, I plan on being there for 2M using the wing from Mike's old 2M. Duck's are expensive, I'd rather buy an unlimited plane than buy a 2M Duck. Only need to fly it 3 days a year, (one day of practice). Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 07:45 PM 7/29/2006, Marc Gellart wrote: Ya, one flew, it was Mike Lackowski's(sp), and it blew up about half way through the event... Marc - Original Message - From: Paul Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments Was anyone flying the Mark Drela designed Aegea 2M at the NATS? The design for the Aegea 2M was posted to the Allegro-Lite group in August 2002, so it seems to be contemporaneous with the Mantis 2M the Organic 2M. On 29/07/2006, at 11:00 AM, tony estep wrote: From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...the dominant design utilized by the top ten finishers was the venerable Duck... A very fine post in its entirety, Jim. 2-Meters is a world unto itself, and when good flyers go at it, it's a very worthwhile event. You have to launch to the moon, then find lift quick, because the little planes come down in a hurry and don't travel well if you hit sink. The dominance of the Duck design seems to me to have some interesting implications. U.S. flyers generally have disdained V- tail airplanes, but the Duck shows that they can learn to love 'em if the tail is big enough. Additionally, the Duck has a fairly low AR wing and is pretty heavy; these characteristics don't match the current fashion, but in this class they seem to prove out to be best in practice. It would be neat to see a resurgence of interest in 2M, just to see what other design tweaks might come along. It seems that there hasn't been much design activity in this class since the Organic and 2M Mantis. Maybe there's a world-beater out there to be discovered. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Muncie
6 months! That's good, my SBXC sat unused for 23 months, 3 weeks. See you at the NATS! Steve Meyer LSF IV SOAR At 03:41 PM 7/19/2006, Douglas, Brent wrote: Just curious, who here is going to try their hand at the XC event this year (scale or other)...? I signed up for it, no idea what to expect, but it was an opportunity to fly a ship that would sit in the garage another 6 months without this event. B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Servo Reversing
Just buy newer programmable digital servos. Then all you need is a programmer. Did the exact same thing using Multiplex MCV2 servos, works great. Steve At 04:35 PM 7/12/2006, Ken Eaton wrote: Is there a way to modify a JR servo to reverse direction. My flying buddy wants to combine his current 2-flap servo arrangement into a Y harness on one channel and found that they go opposite directions. Reorienting the servo will require severe modification to the servo well, linkage and the wing itself. So, can the servo be modified internally to change direction? Ken Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Borrow/Rent/Steal - maybe even purchase
I'm debating to treat 2 Meter like Nostalgia and bring out my first sailplane that I learned to fly with. A Wanderer. It is rudder elevator only. And if it doesn't blow it will work fine, although the winch lines may be a bit heavy for it. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:13 PM 6/29/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: Need a real 2M for the Nats. Anyone? No Ducks No Monarchs Nothing that'll blow up I don't need to fly it until the morning of, so you could just bring it with ya Ping me offline Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
I see a Duck commercial here. The most touted un-obtainable plane made. Steve SOAR LSF IV At 10:54 PM 6/21/2006, Lincoln Ross wrote: You guys just need to explore low aspect ratio design so you can see the plane. I doubt if an 8:1 2M is much harder to see than a 16:1 unlimited. Hide radio in tapered wing. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
Welcome to my world. At 10:24 AM 6/21/2006, Louis J. Glaab wrote: Good afternoon, Against my better judgement, I am registered for 2-M at the NATS. I would like to get a gently used 2-M Mantis or something like that (loan, rent, buy). Anyone? Thanks, Josh. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
No. I vote to move HLG to Monday. Then 1 day of 2M to warm-up for 2 days of unlimited. At 04:23 PM 6/21/2006, Tom Broeski wrote: That could open up a day for XC every year instead of every two. Tired eyes can see a big plane T - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Louis J. Glaab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M Can't find One? Another reason to can the event.LOL -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to my world. At 10:24 AM 6/21/2006, Louis J. Glaab wrote: Good afternoon, Against my better judgement, I am registered for 2-M at the NATS. I would like to get a gently used 2-M Mantis or something like that (loan, rent, buy). Anyone? Thanks, Josh. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Okay Canada, here's a challenge! MidSouth
Define from. Because I have been to Canada. At 11:21 PM 6/14/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone from Canada competes in the MidSouth Soaring Champs, I'll cover his motel for the weekend! Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Wanted: Plug-in transformer for Litco Alpha 4 charger
I still have one 3.5 amp version left. Newer versions are 2.5 amp. http://www.stevenmeyer.net/For_Sale/ At 05:00 AM 6/11/2006, glide wrote: Im looking for an OEM (or comparable) plug-in class 2 transformer for the Litco Alpha 4 battery charger. I did some searching for it by its product number (WP572410) but those distributors that stock it wants me to by large minimum of that item which I dont need or want. Anyone could steer me in the right direction? I would want the same one that comes with the Alpha 4 charger, if possible. But I am willing to get something that is comparable to its specs: Input: 120 volts AC Output: AC 10 volts 2.4 amps Aloha and best regards, Al Battad - AMA #506981 cArPe dIeM!!!
[RCSE] Steele Memorial Gateway Open
To all my friends and acquaintances in the OVSS series, I will have to miss the next 2 contests because I am moving into a new home. Ft. Wayne and St Louis will have to wait til next year. Enjoy and see you in Louisville. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for fastner the holds stab on pedestal on Supra or Ava
I thought that may be the first hardware item lost. Good thing it is silver color and not black. Although the best method for finding small hardware parts in the grass will not work with that special nut, it's aluminum, so a powerful magnet will not attract it. Maybe I should paint it fluorescent orange. I think Barry will do well selling replacements. :-) Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 05:52 PM 6/5/2006, Stan Myers wrote: Lost mine. Getting one from Ukraine not not a likely prospect. Will entertain alternate methods of holding the stab with local available parts. Surely I'm not the only one that lost that aluminum fastener. Stan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Flew the World's Heaviest Carbon Supra Again Today!
Gee I think if it was going to be anything less than a 10 minute flight you will be late. :-) Excellent altitude. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 09:17 AM 6/5/2006, AJ Bhatta wrote: Seems like it was everywhere!! I recorded 1823 ft with my RAM2 Alti at Jacobson Park in Lexington with my Amethyst. Now if I can just repeat this in contests. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7744
Legend has an earlier airfoil, S3021. At 09:06 PM 6/3/2006, Winch wrote: ... A Legend (TD task) has a need for several speeds but not an extreme range. I can't remember exactly but a Legend probably has something like a SD7037 foil. I would expect about a 3% camber so an incidence of 1.5 degrees would be indicated. A rule of thumb is only a starting point, test flying is the proof. Phil in Vancouver -Original Message- From: Ed Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2006 2:16 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7744 Looking for Advice on Wing Incidence. I am looking forward to flying in the June ESL event at LISF on Long Island. I hope to see some of you there. I have a old yellow and blue Airtronics Legend that I am trying to tune up. I picked up a wing incidence meter and am trying to set the wing/h-stab incidence. I don't have a recommended spec so I am trying to shoot for something reasonable. If I set the stab at 0 degrees on my GP incidence meter, the wing measures 1.5 degrees below the zero. I guess that would be 1.5 degrees positive relative to the stab, correct? Any recommendations on a good starting target? It used to be more but I added 1/32 in shims under the rear wing hold down to raise the back of the wing about 6 months ago and it seemed to fly better. So I bought the incidence meter and want to set it correctly. Unfortunately I have no idea if I am right on the money or way off. I have the build manual but there is no recommendation in the book. Would a 0 degree difference between the wing and the stab be a reasonable starting point? I am thinking that there should be some difference but I may have too much. I hope to be able to upgrade to a Mantis or similar by the end of the summer, but for now this is what I have to fly. Until then, I will chalk up the work I do on this plane as a learning experience. Any advice would be appreciated. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] MOM scoring software
Many attempts at doing MOM with computer fail because of adequate preparation and backup process, always in case the first fails. I am a firm believer that a MOM contest can be run quicker than manual scoring. I just have not seen the software that can do it yet. With larger displays getting cheaper I can see a contest as large as the NATS to be run as a seeded MOM contest. It's possible. Now Ben we expect to see a report on the variety of scoring information you have acquired. :-) Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 06:40 PM 5/31/2006, Marc Gellart wrote: Ben, The best program for seeded MOM is a good calculator and someone who is good with math and has a good attention span. Bob Schiedt comes to mind. There have been attempts but with the scoring and seeding, no one has got it to work like you would want it to and like you can with cards and the right person or two can do. Not the answer you wanted, but I have watched guys try to work this out on a computer and all they did was cause a constipated contest. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] For Sale: Escape, RTF
Yea, I'm waiting for a Muller Molded 2 Meter for TD. (The Mini-Ellipse is strictly slope.) Perhaps called an appropriate name such as Enigma. :-) Is that Tattoo complete yet Harry? You don't want that skin to be all wrinkled when they ink the V. Steve getting old and wrinkled Meyer At 06:02 AM 5/17/2006, Harry DeBoer wrote: Making room for a 2M? Harry -Original Message- From: S Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:39 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] For Sale: Escape, RTF Escape, V-Tail version. http://www.aero-model.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=426 Multiplex Digital MCV2 on flaps, Hitec HS-85MG on ailerons, Hitec HS-85BB on ruddervators. 1 year old 5 cell NiCd 1100mah pack. Tip ailerons coupled to ailerons. White over Magenta, Lime Green wing tips. $750.00 Prefer delivery via an OVSS contest. Cincinnati this weekend. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wanted Mantis 2m
There are no more 2 Meters available. Maybe a 2M ARF will work? :-) Maybe I'll just fly my first glider, a 2 Meter Wanderer. Nostalgia and 2 Meter deserve to be together. We fly them once a year, at the NATS. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 04:37 PM 5/16/2006, inventorforhire wrote: I'm still looking for someone with one for sale. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: inventorforhire Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Wanted Mantis 2m I probably have a spare 2m Mantis send me an email I'll start looking
[RCSE] For Sale: Escape, RTF
Escape, V-Tail version. http://www.aero-model.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=426 Multiplex Digital MCV2 on flaps, Hitec HS-85MG on ailerons, Hitec HS-85BB on ruddervators. 1 year old 5 cell NiCd 1100mah pack. Tip ailerons coupled to ailerons. White over Magenta, Lime Green wing tips. $750.00 Prefer delivery via an OVSS contest. Cincinnati this weekend. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale: 12 volt DC supply
Handy 12 volt 3.5 amp power supply to power most chargers. http://www.stevenmeyer.net/For_Sale/ Will drive Sirius and Alpha chargers. Easier to deal with than the large wall-warts. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] World Soaring Masters
Well it's good your still there. You sure you have them in the right order now? Me and my clients should be near the top. :-) Then again, I think where you moved you may have a Postman like in the movie Funny Farm. Steve At 02:56 PM 5/15/2006, Jim McCarthy wrote: For those of you wondering I am in the middle of processing all of the entries. If you have entered you should be receiving an email confirmation from me listing your primary frequency. Our goal is to post the competitor list at month end. Thanks, Jim McCarthy
Re: [RCSE] Okay, lets try it this way, got a 2m Laser Wing for sale?
I think it's a little water logged as well. But it is now sporting some cool tagging (art) all over it now. :-) Steve Bagging his own 2M wing (eventually) Meyer At 03:48 PM 5/14/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but that was a special Laser, it had an invisible planform. Even DP couldn't see the damn thing. Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Okay, lets try it this way, got a 2m Laser Wing for sale? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seem to remember Daryl left a used one in Muncie last year. Mark --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Seems there aren't many used 2ms out there, at least not 2m Lasers or Lil Dorks, so anyone have just a wing for sale? Gordy
Re: [RCSE] flying vid
Cool. Here is their home page http://www.phoenix-fly.com/ At 09:35 AM 5/11/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you guys seen this ? there's a really cool shoot of two of them at the end. http://www.break.com/index/basejumpfly.html I'm sewing up a suit now, and looking for the tallest water tower. maybe i'll get the neighbor kid to try it out first. :-) Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7607
Solon, Iowa, 10 Miles North of Iowa City. http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=mapq=Solon,+IA At 12:40 AM 5/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the midwest is a big place, where is misty meadows?
[RCSE] Misty Meadows, IA
Well, I didn't get to see Captain Kirk's boyhood home, but I did see a Klingon Battle Cruiser, or as Dan Fritz, the designer and builder calls it, the CanArrow. A canard 2 Meter sailplane. I may have to borrow that for the NATS. :-) Misty Meadows contest is hosted by Terry Edmonds on his property in Solon IA. A beautiful country setting with plenty of raptors signifying lift across the rolling landscape. If you were not lucky enough to have an expert thermal locator it was tough conditions. Lift at times was spotty with small thermals not following a straight trajectory and staying small all the way to 1000'. The wind was a little breezy for a bit, and it seemed to always blow the most on my approach to the landing zone on the top of a ridge. Challenging landing spots to say the least, tough to practice that in the flat lands of the Mid-West. Horizon Hobby was very grateful to donate a Spektrum radio to raffle off at the end of contest! Quiet Flyer also donated T-Shirts, hats, and magazines for give-aways. I had my 2 red planes working for me, Erasure X-Treme on Saturday and Fazer on Sunday. It is amazing how quick the Fazer can get around the sky. There was not an area of the sky that was unreachable. The EISS is a great group of guys and I am looking forward to returning next year. Next week Club contest then off to Cincinnati's Memorial contest, flying season is here... Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Great Guy Alert !! Yes I am!
At 04:21 PM 5/7/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I flew my Pike Giant, he started with his Supra, but had a weird anomaly with one of the new Airtronic digitals...the rudder servo locked up on launch or just shut down...apparently it has happened before and while he checked all connections, it happened again...the weird thing is on both occasions, when he landed it, it started working again... It was his elevator, a bit more serious. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV
[RCSE] Dangerous thermals
Not a tornado, but an interesting story. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHER/05/08/whirlwind.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] World Championships - We Americans must be the best...
And what happens if an undocumented immigrant wins? They are truly representing the world. :-) Steve At 02:45 PM 5/1/2006, John Diniz wrote: Jeeeze guy's If you don't like it then don't come. It is what it is, and if you care to get some sponsors together and put on a large, well organized, fair, contest and call it what you want, then have at it. The LSF and the World Soaring Masters board is just trying to stimulate RC soaring in the RC world in general. (oops, I used the word world twice without first checking to see if it's OK) In case you haven't noticed, not many people outside of RCSE care, let alone know, about RC Soaring. That is the goal, to build awareness outside of the small rc soaring community. John Diniz -Original Message- From: David Zucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:31 PM To: Daryl Perkins Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] World Championships - We Americans must be the best... Daryl Perkins wrote: Is it just me? I'm with you D. I'm a bit skeptical of it being called the Masters too. Not that there won't be several there, but it's open to any and all. It should require some sort of qualifying. Z RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring Masters
In a few hours I can drop off my Entry Form! In case you forgot, your cannon fodder. :-) http://www.worldsoaringmasters.com/ Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DLG Pushrods, inside or out?
Unless your into building ship in a bottle, go outside. The ease of construction easily outweighs the very slight drag penalty. All points of the teflon tubing should be adhered to the boom. Checkout how the XP-4 is done. http://www.polecataero.com/products/xp4/construction-manual/10/ Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 06:09 PM 4/22/2006, Corey Groves wrote: I am in the process of building my second Gladiator G2 and I have decided to abandon the pull-pull system in favour of some pushrods. I have a set of etched teflon/carbon pushrods which I will be installing. I can't decide if I should run the pushrods along the outside of the tail boom and have the drag without weakening the tail boom, or, run the pushrods inside the tailboom and cut openings near the end and weaken the tailboom but having a clean installation. Any thoughts, ideas? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS #1, Cincinnati Soaring Society Memorial Contest
Now that sounds interesting! Rules seem to be merging with FAI. At 07:15 PM 4/20/2006, Barry Andersen wrote: And so it begins: The first contest of the Ohio Valley Soaring Series, the Cincinnati Soaring Society Memorial Contest is only a month away. Please come and join us May 20 and 21 at the wide open soaring spaces of the Voice of America Park, just north of Cincinnati AMA Unlimited 444 soaring, Seeded Man on Man, L4 spot landing, Please note these variations from AMA 444; multiple planes permitted, pilots may change planes at their discretion, telemetry is not allowed. For details: http://www.cincinnatisoaring.org/Memorial_2006.htm Barry Andersen Cincinnati Soaring Society RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RCSE posts
Hi AJ, I think there has been a migration to RCGROUPS. Blame it on Gordy. :-) Steve At 08:58 AM 4/18/2006, AJ Bhatta wrote: What's up with the RCSE? I seem to be getting only a trickle of e-mails lately. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 3110 Motor
The original (remanufactured) starter motors had a wide tolerance. I had one that was too short. The new starter motors made in India have a much better tolerance. Try http://www.injoy-1.com/catal_sail.htm If it is not much, put it in a lathe or drill press and use some Crocus Cloth to work it down a bit. Steve At 01:54 PM 4/18/2006, George L Meyers wrote: Thanks everyone for your suggestions on how to get my motor to fit my Real Balls. I have a Tim McCann winch kit. The motor shaft will not fit the drum. George MeyersWD6EQS Fresno, California Graduierte, schule der harten klopfen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Graupner Winch #2
Sheldon, please do. :-) At 08:25 PM 4/15/2006, James V. Bacus wrote: This sounds interesting... At 07:54 PM 4/15/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh Sheldon ,tell them the whole tale.Let them know how it went from bad to worse .Don't forget about the 4 wheel drive part lol..Reece
Re: [RCSE] RE: Guaranteed Soaring Masters....
Such an optimist. :-) See you at the Club contest. At 10:10 PM 4/12/2006, Karl Miller wrote: I can guarantee. that Muncie is a world class soaring site! If I want to see palm trees I go to Florida or Jamaica. So come on out for a heap'n help'n of great competition. I am sure those who mail their entries from any where in the USA on the first will get in. I am Looking forward to flying with the best pilots from all over! Karl Miller SOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....
Is that the correct Farmers Almanac you are looking at John? :-) I'll be sure to have plenty of party favors in case Chuck does not feel our partying is up to par. Maybe you need to solicit the services of Chef Dirr. Joe prepares some awesome food during the NATS bar-b-ques. Wine and cheese anyone? How about an after hours bungee limbo contest for $$$? I know these California dudes are pretty good at it. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 11:20 AM 4/13/2006, John Diniz wrote: Weather in September for the Soaring Masters should be great. As for fun nothing beats cocktails and fine cigars after the flyn's done for the day. See ya this summer Mike, A Lot! JD -Original Message- From: Mike Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:04 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters 'Course then there is always the money talks factor. Yeah, I think there will be 150 competitors. see you all in Moonsay.no not twice.but three times..Nats, F3B team selects, and Masters...Just in case I am not lucky enough to get the most humid and hot days in the Mid West, I will hit it 3 months in a row. Hope they stock up on Ice and Water ;-) Mike At 03:51 PM 4/12/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: Guys... we're barely getting over 150 open class competitors at Visalia these days you really think there will be significantly more than 150 guys trying to go to... dare I say it Muncie? Or as Karen puts it... MoonSay __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New servo frame for Airtrinics 94761Z
What does a pair weigh Jim? At 11:57 PM 4/11/2006, Jim Laurel wrote: I just got some of the new servo frames for the 94761Z from Craig Greening and they sure are cool! Pics here: http://www.twango.com/media.aspx?channelname=jim.soaringmedia=jim.10866 http://www.twango.com/media.aspx?channelname=jim.soaringmedia=jim.10867 My soaring channel on Twango: http://www.twango.com/channel.aspx?channelname=jim.soaring --Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] nose radius
Interesting. Except for nose radius the rules seem very generous. Wing loading would include just about any sailplane over 1.5 meters. Organic is at 7.8oz/ft, the Supra is at 8.2oz/ft. However many DLGs are now less than 3.95. Not able to compete in FAI or AMA event? And what about nose radius? Wing area is very generous, an ICON is 1,150 sq, even a 4M Thermic XL is only 81 dm2 (1,266 sq) So are there any currently manufactured planes, (TD, over 1.5 meters), that do not meet these rules? And would you want to fly them in competition? Maybe a 3.3 meter F3J with 3.95oz wing loading? :-) Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 07:48 PM 4/11/2006, Bill's Email wrote: This wonderful link holds the answers to your questions: http://www.modelaircraft.org/comp/0506Rulebook/RCsoaring.pdf Quoting: 3.3. Sailplanes flown in AMA soaring competitions shall not exceed the FAI limitations for weight and total lifting surface area for model sailplanes. Exception: The FAI nose radius restriction shall apply to one (1) view only; however, knife-edge frontal area is prohibited. And more: FAI Specifications: 1. Maximum surface area (ST)150 decimeters2 (2325 square inches). 2. Maximum flying mass5 kilograms (11.023 pounds). 3. Loading on the ST between 12 and 75 grams/decimeters2 (between 3.95 and 24.57 ounces/square feet). 4. Minimum radius of fuselage nose7.5 millimeters (.295 inches). Exception: The FAI nose radius restriction shall apply to one (1) view only; however, knife-edge front area is prohibited. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....
Have you heard what they do with too much mail in Chicago? :-) Best possibility of getting the frequencies you desire and getting in before contest is full. Good Luck Steve At 12:38 PM 4/12/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have got to be kidding. If I can't count on my own post office to get my letter post marked when I send it on 5-1-2006 then we'd better find another way to deal with this or not do it at all. Regards, I hope, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters Acceptance For any LSF members outside of the 60013 zip code you can send your entry form to me and I will guarantee it is mailed at the Post Office for 60013 zip code on 5/1/2006. A small handling fee will apply. Ping me off line. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....
Guaranteed World Soaring Masters Acceptance For any LSF members outside of the 60013 zip code you can send your entry form to me and I will guarantee it is mailed at the Post Office for 60013 zip code on 5/1/2006. A small handling fee will apply. Ping me off line. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Airtronics digital wing servos
George, what is the part number of those servos? At 08:40 PM 4/11/2006, George Joy wrote: I have them in stock also 800-532-0092 George RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Mid-South website
Ben Wilson is just too funny. Was checking over the Mid-South web page and found a picture of the new field where the Mid-South is to be held. Low and behold there is a Jack-Ass and Gordy practicing with an Ava. LOL You can create your own caption. Winner gets a ride. :-) http://louisvillesoaring.org/images/content/hayskennedy-google.jpg http://louisvillesoaring.org/content/view/105/43/ You know that field is starting to look like the flatlands of Illinois. The only slope action are the trees. Steve Meyer SOARchicago.com LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Kennedy Composites At the Toledo Show
I figured it would be fun to show up in Toledo and buy some tickets. Waiting to have some fun at the famous auction. I hope Rob shows, ready to have a cold one with you Bubba. LOL See you there. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 08:05 PM 4/4/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all Sailplane and Electric Sailplane Mavens: Barry and Karen are on the road from Texas to Toledo as you read this and will be returning to Texas on the wednsday after this weekend to take care of the customers waiting for them to return home. Plan on stopping at the Kennedy Composites booth at Toledo to look at all of the standard sailplane items that Karen and Barry have been supplying that you already expect including Volz servos, Avas, Super Avas, and all molded Graphite 2's. Barry will have a sale on Blasters and will also show the Photon II. He also has a new 1.8 m speed 400 F5J electric sailplane. The new Picolario with GPS and the digital incidence meter that was the center of attention on this exchange recently will be on display. Also raffle tickets for a new Supra donated by Barry and Karen to support the USA F3J team and F3J shirts will be available at the Kennedy Composites booth. Jack Iafret, Bob Burson and I will be supporting the Kennedy's at their booth. You'all come on down to Toledo and visit the Kennedy Booth. Regards, Dave Corven RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NATS registrations
At 07:20 PM 4/2/2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: At 07:38 PM 4/2/2006, you wrote: There is more to the Nats than flying. I prefer the way Visalia runs their contest. It is a better balance of flying and partying. Chuck Anderson There you go Chuck! I remember when... Better not go there. :-) Well at least the Saturday night Bonfire Bar-B-Q seems to be a good step in that direction. Play hard and have fun. Steve Meyer SOARchicago.com LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Water-ski Aerotow?
Very awesome. Interesting to see the TRUE level flight perspective. :-) Thank Rudy. At 07:27 AM 3/29/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an idea spawned by the water skiing Harvards; water-ski aerotow! Imagine skimming across the water then pulling up into vertical opposing rolls! Johnny Berlin, are you ready? http://www.flightzone.co.za/media/harvards.wmv -- Rudy Siegel, AMA 131126 CD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
