[RCSE] Re: 30 minute first flight on my new Cularis by Hitec/MPX)

[aeajr]

Gordy,

Any concern about the wing attachmet points?

Also, did you replace the wing rods with carbon because you saw a
problem or just something you did because you had them.

Ed

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: 
 Hi guys,
 
 I flew my Cularis today off my winch.  Good air day.
 
 Like a good little instruction follower, I balanced it on the dots.
 
 I gave it a gentle hand toss and as expected, DOINK about 15' in front
 of  me.
 
 All I had for nose weight is a 4cell 1250 sub C pack with the cells 
 standing 
 upright beside each other in a row.  It was all the way up against  
 theplastic  motor mount cup.
 
 Once balanced it is now all the way back against the foam cross piece
 just  
 in front of the servos.
 
 The model balances at 4 measured from the trailing edge of the wing,
 1  
 behind the dots.
 
 I'm working on my Silver Level Canadian Soaring Task, which asks for 6 
 30min 
 thermal flights (witnessed).   So I decided what the heck, might  as
 well 
 take one down with the Cularis.  
 
 Most of the flight it was impossible to see the model, blue skies with
 high  
 thin clouds, and she was up at about 1200' (I know because I have a
 Picolario  
 talking altimeter) for most of the flight.
 
 I have 3/8 full span camber programmed in for thermaling, that bends
 back  
 to about 3/16 in the air, but worked well...and the usual rudder to
 aileron  
 mix, camber pump with elevator and as is normal most of the thermaling
 was done 
 with 80% rudder stick and a bit of up trim elevator...along with the 
 camber.
 
 I'll admit I'm surprised it launches well with the all the glass rods 
 
 replaced with carbon or carbon tubes...and she flies as well as a
 Spirit Elite  100.
 
 The landing flaps are functional too.
 
 Very nice piece of foam.  I made the tips and ruder and nose cone 
 tape-ons, 
 so that it all fits in the box for storage...likely mine will sit in 
 the 
 rafters for the next few years, but it was a fun project and excellent 
 flying 
 model.
 
 Definitely worth the money and for a newbie to the hobby of soaring,
 easy  to 
 build, durable and fun to fly too.
 Also worth the money for someone who wants a scale looking slope ship!
 Full  
 house, full flying stab, the wings snap in and the servos plug
 themselves in  
 too!  You can paint it with Krylon if you like by the way.
 
 Gordy
 Louisville today
 
 
 
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[RCSE] Re: Re: 72 MHz, 2.4GHz, and 100 models airborne simulaneously

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Was there a post or discussion thread that reported on this?  I would
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[RCSE] Fixer upper Pike Perfect

[aeajr]

The link to the Pike instead goes to a Jet.
 
Ed

 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:51:26 -0400
 From: Tom Koszuta 
 To: tony estep ,
 
 Subject: Fixer upper Pike Perfect
 

[RCSE] Looking for a contest plane

[aeajr]

My friend Dan is looking for a contest class plane.  He is not sure what is 
available but he is looking for a receiver ready full house plane in very good 
condition as he does not like to do any kind of building at all.  He has no 
workshop and the dining room table  well it doesn't really work.
 
Planes of interest are the Supra, Pike Superior or Perfect, Sharon, Graphite, 
or similar composite planes in this class.  Molded, bagged with spar, or built 
up/composite dbox type wings are of greatest interest.  He has a Compulsion 
now.  He likes it a lot but wants to add a second, plane of the types listed.
 
If you have one or know of someone who does, send me an e-mail and I will get 
the conversation going.
 
No big rush, but if you are ready to move, he probably is too.
 
Best Regards, 
Ed Anderson

[RCSE] Question regarding 2.4GHz..Answer :-)

[aeajr]

Greg and Gordy,
 
I am likewise a fan of these little beeper/finder/battery monitors.  This one 
from Sky King RC Products is my favorite. 
http://www.skykingrcproducts.com/accessories/lostmodel/lost_rc_model_alarm.html
 
This is the only one I hav been able to get to work with both FM and PCM.  But 
I have not been able to get it to work with 2.4 GHz. Spektrum receivers.  
 
Gordy, you say you can make it work.  Have you actually tried?   If you have 
been successful, perhaps you can give us a step by step.  The procedure I used 
for PCM did not work for 2.4 GHz Spektrum.
 
Ed Anderson
 
 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:57:12 EDT
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com
 Subject: Question regarding 2.4GHz..Answer :-)
 Message-ID: 
 
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 This is the same as with PCM, all you have to do is program a 
 failsafe function to the channel you have your plane finder plugged into 
 to fire the response.
 
 So if you are in Aux 4 for instance, program full travel the 
 other direction, that way when the TX is turned off simulating a lost 
 signal your device will trigger.
 
 Gordy
 
 In a message dated 3/24/2008 9:44:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 In the past on my 72MHz radios I have used a device in my planes which 
 beeps when it loses the signal from the transmitter. This has 
 been handy to find a plane in the woods and to signal me when the 
 receiver is bad(saved one plane when the receiver was bad) This device 
 plugs into a spare channel. 
 
 The problem is that I have switched to the JR9303 2.4GHz radio 
 but with its failsafe this device always gets a signal so it doesn't 
 beep when I turn the transmitter off.
 
 Anybody experienced this? Is there something new that will 
 work with the 2.4GHZ radios? 
 
 Greg
 

[RCSE] 2 meter easy glider, 2.4 EVO, and Hi Starts...

[aeajr]

Sounds like you have too much incidence on the h-stab of the Easy Glider. This 
is a common issue on this plane. If you have the RR version and the tail is 
taped in, try lowering the back a little.
 
The stock hook position is optimized for hand towing rather than hi-start.  You 
may wish to move the hook back a bit.
 
Ed Anderson
aeajr on the  forums

 From: Jay Hunter 
 To: RSCE 
 Subject: 2 meter easy glider, 2.4 EVO, and Hi Starts...
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 Conclusions:
 
 The multiplex Easyglider is ok. It needs a motor. With a 
 motor, I can see
 how this plane can be a blast. Histarting it is great if you 
 need the
 exercise. Also I would put a piece of tape on the Vertical stab 
 to keep it
 in one piece. That said this thing is durable. Lots of 
 cartwheels when
 the vstab was loose, and I just kept tossing her. I was pleasantly
 surprised that the plastic hook stayed in the plane, I pulled 
 back pretty
 hard on the plane, and it was solid. Hosemonster, can't wait to 
 get a 3
 meter glider, and I will appreciate the winch much more going 
 forward. All
 in all this was a very good day, and lifted my spirits like they 
 haven'tbeen lifted in months.
 
 Jay

[RCSE] Breaking the 40 Spektrum Radio Barrier

[aeajr]

Spektrum RC splits the 2.4 GHz band into 80 slices. When you turn on a
Spektrum transmitter it takes two of these slices at its channels for
talking to the receiver. 

It has long been expected that if you tried to turn on the 41st
Spektrum system, it would not be able to lock with the receiver. Some
people have been concerned about this at large contests.

Well, in this month's month's FlyRC they ran a test. They turned on 44
Spektrum DX7s operated them all at once, in close proximity. They all
seemed to work fine.  

Then they turned on a JR 9303 2.4 GHz, the 45th transmitter. 

Know what? They all worked, all at the same time, with no problems. The
JR was being used to fly planes in a test pattern so any issues could be
observed.  No issues.

They also were logging flight information on the Spektrum reporter.  No
problems.

Seems the 40 radio limit is not a limit after all.

Cool!


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[RCSE] Re: 2.4 Questiion - Antenna Radiation Pattern

[aeajr]

I believe the signal pattern on a 2.4 GHz system is the same as a 72 MHz
system.  Max signal is from the sides of the antenna.  There is much
less signal coming from the tip.

Pointing your antenna at the plane is not recommended.

Ed Anderson

Dee Smith Wrote: 
 What kind of a pattern does the 2.4 tx antenna have? Is it sensitive to
 
 orientation like
 a 72 Mhz tx? In other words, do you have to point the antenna at the 
 plane or hold
 it broadside to the plane?
 
 Dee Smith
 Round Rock, TX
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[RCSE] An amazing reversal

[aeajr]

It is 
fascinating to see how Gordy has gone from a 2.4 skeptic to a 2.4 advisor in 
such a short time.  Seems that 2.4 is really ready for prime time if Gordy 
endorses it.
Guys, you are now free to buy 2.4 systems without fear of 
reprimand from Gordy.
Ed Anderson
Soarnig in NY

[RCSE] The 2009 World Games (WAG) to be held in Turin Italy is going to

[aeajr]

Terry,
 
I looked but I could not find the rules for the hand thrown gliders.  Can you 
point me to the right spot?
 
Ed Anderson
 
 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:42:54 -0600
 From: Edmonds, Terry D 
 To: RCSE (Soaring@airage.com) 
 Subject: 2009 World Air Games
 Message-ID: 
 
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 The 2009 World Games (WAG) to be held in Turin Italy is going to 
 include th=
 ree aeromodeling events. The three RC classes are Artistic 
 Aerobatics, Indo=
 or Musicals and Hand-Thrown Gliders. These are not the regular 
 FAI classes =
 but rather events in the FAI Airsport Promotion Classes F6A, F6B 
 and F6D. C=
 lass F6D is Hand-Thrown Gliders and the rules are in the FAI 
 Sporting Code.=
 See http://wag2009.free.fr/ciam_sel.htm for details and links 
 regarding th=
 e WAG.
..

 Terry Edmonds

[RCSE] Seems today was a Supra Day!

[aeajr]

Great report Gordy, as usual.  Sounds like your Supra had fun.
 
I too had a great day of flying.  I put my new Supra up for its maiden flight.  
 Well it is used, but in perfect condition.  She is purdy.
 
It was 32 degrees on Long Island, but winds were under 5 mph all day.  One of 
those white cloud skys with no blue, like flying against cotton.  But it was a 
perfect day to maiden a new plane.   After a few hand throws to get the final 
adjustments in, up the winch it went.  Took several trim flights to check the 
mixes, landing mix, etc.  She felt good so it was time to go hunting.
 
On the third flight I worked my up and specked it out.  The plane was so small 
that you could barely tell it had a tail.  Good thing I have good long range 
vision.  
 
It is a long story, about 88 minutes long, but it has a happy ending.  Many 
smile to go around.  I did about half the flight with may hands completely off 
the transmitter.  She flies like a dream.
 
In fact keeping the hand warm was a problem.  I had heat packs in my thin 
flying gloves.
 
So, Gordy and his Supra had a great day.   Ed and his Supra had a great day.
 
Today was a Supra day.   :-)
 
Ed Anderson
Long Island Silent Flyers
 
 Punta Gorda Was Very Very Good To Me Today!
 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:16:06 EST
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Soaring@airage.com
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Punta Gorda Was Very Very Good To Me Today!
 Message-ID: 

 Weather was as predicted, light winds, warm temps...same for 
 pilots, well warm but not so light :)
 
 The Orlando Buzzards sent their best, Pompano Flyers 
 tooTangerine champ 
 Ingo had 147 of Shadow warmed up and Mike Popescu had his 
 extended Pelican fully charged ready for battle.
 
 Me? World's Heaviest Carbon Supra Light had to fight for every 
 second of air. It was clearly a day when light weight was going to make a 
 difference, so I showed up to a gun fight with a knife.
 All I know is that she did good today.
 
..
 
 Tomorrow? Its another day :-)
 Gordy
 

[RCSE] what are you building this winter?

[aeajr]

I have all the materials to build a Bubble Dancer.  Now I just have to make it 
a priority to get it done.  This will be the most 
ambitious build I have ever undertaken.
Ed Anderson

[RCSE] Re: 2.4 Gig JR v Futaba ???

[aeajr]

mithrandir Wrote: 
 Please go here and you will find step by step directions to do the
 installation of the update and setup of the 2.4 GHZ system... 
 SUPER EASY!!! 
 
 http://www.teamflyingcirkus.com/Forums/tabid/54/forumid/7/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/10407/Default.aspx#10407

I went there and did not find anything.  Perhaps you can copy the post
here.

Ed Anderson


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[RCSE] Re: 2.4 install problems

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Robert,

Did you ever resolve your range problems?  If so, I am interested in
knowing what you changed.

Ed Anderson
LISF

Robert Samuels Wrote: 
 I bought a 2.4 9303 and
 installed an AR6200 in an Organic which has an all Kevlar nosecone. 
 But it does not work.  I put the main receiver in the nose with the
 antennas fore and aft and the remote receiver on the bottom of the
 fuse
 behind the tow hook with the antennas exiting the fuse through small
 holes so that the antennas were pointing
 left and right.   The range is lousy.  
 
 I put
 an AR6100 in the nose of a DLG TabooGt (all carbon fuse) with the
 antennas sticking out the sides so it looks like a little catfish. 
 The
 range was poor.  So I extended the antennas by laying a piece of
 insulated wire along side the original antennas held with heat shrink
 so that the new wire was 31 mm longer than the original antennas. 
 This
 gave me decent range and I've flown it successfully.  But I don't like
 all that wire sticking out in the airflow.  I'd like a better
 arrangement but can not think of one.  
 
 Does anyone know of any
 successful installations in these planes?   Or have suggestions? 
 
 Thank you
 
 Robert Samuels  St. Louis
 
 
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[RCSE] Re: Contest Format

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Tim,

The idea of points based on landing order seems OK to me.  However a
couple of details confuse me.  Perhaps you can clarify.

1) 30 seconds to land when you are the last man up seems a bit harsh. 
If everyone else is down because they failed to find lift, and I am 3/4
mile out and 1000 feet up because I was successful now penalized me for
my success. I may not be able to get back in 30 seconds and make a
proper approach for landing points.

Your approach would penalize me for my success and their failure.  

2) Your system favors people who fly in smaller rounds.  I score better
based on the smaller group rather than my skills.  Unless you gurantee
even rounds, I see this as a serious issue.

3) Part of your rational seems to be that my round has to finish before
the next can start.  Why would that be the case?

Every contest I have flown has allowed for multiple groups in rapid
succession.  I have never seen a problem with this.  So how does
calling people in on a rushed basis help move the contest along?  

I don't understand how this works.  I say, let me fly out the task time
if I wish.  If landing order is the key, as long as I land within task
time plus one minute, the duration of my flight should not matter.

I think your system is interesting, but I don't understand how it deals
with these points or how it makes for a faster paced contest.  

I also don't see how it prevents luck from playing a role, or how it
prevents air poacing whatever that is.  And how does it prevent sand
bagging?

Finally, could you explain how landing points play in this system?  

Ed Anderson
Long Island Silent Flyers
Eastern Soaring League

Tim Bennett Wrote: 
 This past November, I was contest director for a monthly contest of the
 Soaring League of North Texas at which I tried out a new format for
 Man-on-Man competition. It was well received. The format addresses a
 few of
 my pet peeves about soaring contests. I offer this description in the
 hopes
 that readers of the exchange may be interested.
 
 First, a few comments about my objectives:
 
 Fast paced contest.
 Scoring and judging must be easy and quick.
 Minimal luck factor.
 Everyone has a chance to succeed on each flight.
 A blown flight does not end your day.
 A blown landing does not end your day.
 No dropped rounds; all flights count.
 Emphasis on flying and consistency.
 A contest not won in the air, cannot be won in the landing circle.
 No sandbagging or air poaching.
 
 ..
 
 Tim Bennett
 LSF IV
 



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[RCSE] The Sky is falling

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Gordy,
 
I always find your posts interesting.  You create conflicts and concerns about 
topics, thereby getting us thinking.  In this respect you make a valuable 
contribution.  But when you start to attack and belittle people who agree with 
you, well that's Gordy for you.  We expect that of you.  It is your style.  It 
is what creates the love/hate Gordy feeling so many people have toward you, 
and we know you love it.
 
I agreed with  you, that the 500 heili pilots was no proof that you could have 
500 radios on at once.  We don't know how many were on so a critical number may 
never have been reached.  Why?  Because it was not done in any sort of 
organized fashion.  I agreed with you, fool. Silly Gordy!
 
As to why I suggested YOU should organize a test, Gordy, well you asked the 
question.  That is why YOU should want to do it.
 
Gordy, YOU are the guy who is concerned.  And,  YOU are the the one who attends 
so many of these events.  That means YOU are among the few who could do this.  
Or is answering your own questions too much work for YOU?
 
If you have a question to which you can provide the answer, why not make a 
contribution to the knowledge base rather than just stirring the pot?  I, among 
many here, would be very grateful for the answer. 
 
Why don't I do it?  Because I am not concerned, at this point.  The chances of 
me being in such a situation in the next 2 years is pretty slim.  If you want 
to whine and wait for me to do it, that is fine.  I am OK with that.  But YOU 
will likely be in such a situation several times this year.  Just contact the 
CD at one of the events you plan to attend and see if they would like to do 
this with you.
 
Let me even suggest the procedure, to be performed in cooperation with the 
event organizers.  Oh, and by the way, it doesn't have to be a sailplane event, 
just an event with a large number of 2.4 GHz transmitters, preferably with 
mixed brands.  And it would be best, Gordy, if YOU supervised it, as you would 
not accept or trust anything done by anyone else.  And frankly why should you?  
You have the opportunity to do this, where most of us do not.
 
Here is the test.
 
Get all the 2.4 pilots to perform a range check on their models, all at the 
same time.  
 
No one need be in the air, no models need be risked and no one put in danger.
 
Range check would be to MFG specs, not some absurd distance or in some crazy 
way.
 
Total time to perform the test?  Probably about 15 minutes 
 
Then poll the group.  Anyone have a problem?  Anyone fail the range check test? 
 
 
If so, then YOU, in cooperation with the CD, could suggest if further 
examination were required.  Or, if problems appeared, then the CD could decided 
if system count pins should be instituded on the spot, for safety sake.  A few 
packs of clothes pins could be kept hand, just in case.
 
Total cost for the test?  Zero.
 
Value to the community, high!  Naturally YOU could suggest some extensive test 
procedure, but this would be pretty simple to perform as a first step.  
 
And best of all, the test was supervised by Gordy, the guy who asked the 
question. If a problem occured, you could be the one who discovered it.  Or you 
can run the test and find this is not a problem and put all our minds at ease.  
What a great opportunity YOU have.
 
Up to you Gordy.  Wait and wonder, or find the answer for yourself, if you are 
really interested.  Then let us know.
 
Lead, follow, or get out of the way!  
 
Ed Anderson
LISF
 
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 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:18:27 EST
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38? Thanks for the 
 'assurances and guesses!

 
 Then there is this one: Ed asked :Why don't you organize a test 
 Why would I? My hobby is to build and fly sailplanes, my job 
 is to sell  beach cleaners. Ed, why don't you ask the suppliers of 2.4 
 stuff to work for their pay? Why haven't you? You post assurances and promote 
 as 
 if you have some cash interest in 2.4. You repeat hearsay about a heli event 
 with 500  pilots and then guess at how many TX's were turned on at the 
 time, using it as some 'proof' that the deal is done. Do you have a clue as 
 to 
 how much parking alone it would take to host 500 pilots? I think before 
 repeating that 'proof' you might want to investigate it instead of just 
 repeating it. 
 I know the source, that doesn't make it valid. Are you going to tell me 
 that less than 40 guys had their TX's on all at once with 500 on the field?
 
 So far at best 2.4 sort of works, if the install is just right, if the 
 models materials are cooperative and 'should' work fine with 
 other 2.4 systems..as long as their aren't too many TX's on at one 
 timebut no one 
 has come up with control system to protect against or even determine who 
 will be turning on in the pits.

[RCSE] Re: Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38?

[aeajr]

Thanks for reposting that Phil.

Ed

Phil Barnes Wrote: 
 I printed out the following post by Mike Lachowski. It specifically
 refers 
 to JR 2.4Ghz systems. I can't remember where it was originally posted,
 maybe 
 on RCSE, maybe on RCgroups:
 
 --
 posted by Mike Lachowski:
 
 And on the 40 channel topic, the original DX-6 transmitted
 continuously on 
 each of two channels in the band. The newer stuff only ransmits for
 very 
 short periods of time. You can see it on a wireless LAN sniffer if you
 know 
 anyone who has one. So even if you have two pilots using the same two 
 frequencies, they will each only be using a small part of the available
 
 bandwidth.
 
 end quote
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[RCSE] Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38?

[aeajr]

Hi Gordy!  Good question about max number of 2.4 transmitters.  I seem to 
recall we exchanged some notes on this.
 
To answer your question, I never thought the number of concurrent transmitters 
was unlimited.  Frequency control and channel conflict are handled by the 
radios, so I don't have to manage it manually.  And all makers, except Futaba, 
have been pretty public about the max number supported by their particular 
implementation.  
 
And I doubt the average 2.4 user has given much, if any thought, to the max 
number of concurrent transmitters.  I would bet the typical RC user will likely 
never see more than 20 transmitters in use at once unless they are contest 
flyers, which most are not.  Even then, I would bet most contest flyers would 
rarely see the need for more than 40 on at once.  The largest contest  I have 
ever attended had 42 pilots, almost all were on 72 Mhz.  In this case, there 
were no channel conflicts.  Yet I doubt there were ever more than 20 sets on at 
one time.
 
The Heli event was a big exception but even with that we don't know if there 
were even 50 transmitters on at once, only that there were 500 transmitters at 
the site.  Until we start to see more events like this, it is going to be a 
while before we know if the max number of transmitters is even an issue, only 
that there are apparent limits by brand.
 
Gordy, you attend a lot of contests, some of which are quite large.  Why don't 
you organize a test at one of the upcoming contests.  See if you have enough 
2.4 sets to run a saturation test.  I would be very pleased to hear the results 
of that test.
 
Ed Anderson
LISF

 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:15:00 EST
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Jack Benny is 39 and 2.4 is 38?
  
 Number of systems that can be in use simultaneously 
 Spectrum Airtronics Futaba Xtreme
 39  38 ..(?) ? 120
 
 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the general modeler 
 believed that with 2.4 all concerns for freq control were overMillions 
 could all be on at once...there was the story about the huge heli event with 
 hundreds of attendees most enjoying the freedom of 2.4hmmmn.
 
 Did you all believe that the amount of 2.4 TXs on at once was 
 almost unlimited?
 
 Gordy

[RCSE] F3B winches???

[aeajr]

During the discussion about limiting winch strength and reducing line breaks 
there have been several references to F3B winches.  
 
I am not familiar with F3B flying or the winch specs.  Can someone explain F3B 
or point me to a site where I can read about it? 

Best Regards, 
Ed Anderson

[RCSE] Guess I will have to go to the NATS

[aeajr]

Joe,
 
You are making me think I need to come to my first NATS just to keep 
you from sweeping the contest.   ;-)
 
Now I have motivation to get my Supra flying and finish my Bubble
Dancer build.   ( how am I going to expain THIS to my wife?)
 
Ed Anderson
Insanity Central

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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Nats 2M, am I missing something???


 Am I seeing things? Mon-Tues 2M?

 My Nats schedule

 Sunday - Super Esprit eats thermals and HL's - win NOS
 Mon-Tues - V tailed Osprey 2M eats thermals - win 2M
 Wed - Secret Project eats thermals and things made in a mold - win RES
 Thur-Fri - Other Secret Project eats thermals and things made in a mold - 
 win Unlimited

 You can send me the trophies now and we can make it a fun fly ;)

 Sat - check out XC - learn and plan for 2009
 Sun - Go home with my planes in the same number of pieces they left in.
 Sun-Sat - Avoid meeting Gordy :O, see old friends, make new friends and 
 have fun! 8)

 Joe

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10400

[aeajr]

Dale,
 
Thanks for the report on the FASST system.  Did you make any special 
installations or did you just stick the receiver inside the fuselage, same as 
you would a 72 MHz system.
 
Ed Anderson

 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:43:57 EST
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I am using Futuba 2.4 GHz FASST Systems with no problems and 
 excellent range in:
 
 1) An Electron 2 M F5J Outrunner Class electric sailplane
 2) An AVA F5J Limited Class electric sailplane
 3) A Super V 100 full house TD sailplane
 4) A foam Cub park flyer test plane
 
 With all these sailplanes and the park flyer I have not had any 
 problems flying at three field sites around Albuquerque. At the 
 Albuquerque Balloon 
 Festival Park I have flown all these sailplanes to my limit of 
 sight in the presence of others flying Spectrums and 72 mc radio systems.
 
 Dale Nutter

[RCSE] Bubble Dancer

[aeajr]

Gary,
 
I don't know how the EZBD stacks up against the AVA, but I have heard good 
reports from happy owners.  It seems that Denny has put together a very nice 
kit.  From what I understand the EZBD builds to about 43 ounces.  Light for a 
3M plane but about 12 ounces heavier than Mark Drela's Bubble Dancer.  I 
understand the AVA comes in around 39 ounces.
 
I am about to find out how a plans built BD flies.  Five members of the Long 
Island Silent Flyers are going to build Bubble Dancers this winter.  One of our 
accomplished builders, Phil Abatelli, is going to take the rest of us through 
the build.  Phil and Rob Sabatini, another LISF member, have made up the 
materials list and placed the order.  When the materials arrive, Phils is going 
to show the rest of it how it is done.
 
Frankly I am not much of a builder so I hope I have not taken on too much.  If 
not for Phil's guidance, I would never dream of doing this, But I love the 
Bubble Dancer and always wanted one.
 
Before I had my first sailplane, while I was still learning to fly my Aerobird, 
I timed for Mark Drela in an Eastern Soaring League contest.  I had no idea who 
he was, but he had this really cool looking plane called the Bubble Dancer.
Everyone else was flying full house bagged wing and molded planes.  Mark's was 
this build-up beauty.  As I watched him fly this beautiful plane I was 
convinced that the plane defied gravity.  I fell in love with it on the spot.  
Over the years I have watched Mark hand throw his BD into lift and sky it out 
during warm-ups before Eastern Soaring League contests.
 
There has not been a lot of RES flying at our club lately.  The new guys 
typically start on Easy Gliders these days. A few of us have Spirits and 
occasionally an older RES plane comes out, but RES has really fall by the 
wayside.
 
However with 5 new Bubble Dancers being built this winter, people are talking 
about RES again in a big way.  A couple of people are talking about getting 3M 
RES ARFs.  This could turn into a monthly club RES class contest.  That would 
be fun.
 
Hopefully this spring I will be reporting on the maiden flight of a gravity 
defying Bubble Dancer.  I have no dream that it will finish as light as Mark's, 
but if it comes in under under 38 ounces, I will be very pleased.
 
Ed Anderson
LISF
 
  Gary Rexroad wrote:
Mike or Jon or anyone
How due you think Dr. Mark Drela's Bubble Dancer stacks up 
with the Ava? 
I fly in SE Michigan, mostly TD. Polecat Aero kits the EZ 
Bubble Dancer. 
From what I have read it should be vary close in performance.

[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8404

[aeajr]

The Long Island Silent Flyers is proud to offer a 2 day aerotow event at our field on Long Island. It will be this Saturday and Sunday, October 1415.For field location and photo of the field visit www.lisf.orgIs there a charge? No - FREEWhat times? 10am - 3pm Saturday and SundayAny size limits? NoAMA required? YesDo they need to register in advance? No, However, letting us know you are coming is welcome. You can just post your intention here. Helps us know what to expect.Can anyone bring a tow plane? YesQuestions and details - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Come fly with us!

Ed Anderson
LISF
- Original Message -From: Soaring@airage.com (Soaring)Date: Monday, October 9, 2006 3:12 pmSubject: Soaring V1 #8404To: Soaring@airage.com Soaring Mon, 9 Oct 2006 Volume 1  : Number 8404  In this issue:  Visalia aftermath?!?!? Scores? Pictures?   - -  Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:32:17 -0700 From: "Skip Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RCSE"  Subject: Visalia aftermath?!?!? Scores? Pictures? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Anyone out there?   --  End of Soaring V1 #8404 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send  "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe  messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.  Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are  generally NOT in text format  Best Regards,
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[RCSE] Re: World Soaring Masters 2006

[aeajr]

Thanks for a great report.  Wish I had been there.

We had an ESL contest on Long Island and had similar conditions with
similar carnage.  Of course we didn't have the World Soaring Champion
title up for grabs, not to mention the prize money.

Congatulations on being one of the contenders for World Soaring
Champion!


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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8317

[aeajr]

Great report Ben. 

One question:

You make reference to "model throwers". Are you saying that there
were people throwing the planes while the pilots ran the winch and kept
both hands on the sticks? Just not sure I understood the
reference. 

If conditions are that severe, it sounds like someone cooked up a real challenge for the Masters to master.

Good luck!

Ed Anderson
LISF
- Original Message -From: Soaring@airage.com (Soaring)Date: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:39 amSubject: Soaring V1 #8317To: Soaring@airage.com SoaringSat, 23 Sep 2006 Volume 1  : Number 8317  In this issue: World Soaring Masters: Day One   - -  Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:12:46 -0400 From: Ben Wilson  To: LASS Soaring List ,  "soaring@airage.com"  Subject: World Soaring Masters: Day One Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Got off to a little bit of a late start today, on account of  rain  showers that started up *right* as my alarm went off in my tent  here on  the spacious AMA Flying Site.  CD Mark Nankavil (apologies on  the  spelling) got things rolling as soon as it cleared up and we got  in 4  remarkably rain-free rounds before calling it while we still had  light  to pack up.  With the weather being as it is, you could call this the Fall  2006  Soaring NATS!  Winds were a steady 15 MPH the entire day,  gusting to 25  MPH according to wind gauges.  I could count on one hand the  number of  honest thermal turn attempts I saw today - surfing was the name  of the  game.  I'm not sure if anyone got their 12 minute tasks, though  I know a  few who got very close.  Thornburg mentions in The Old Buzzard  Goes  Soaring, and I'll paraphrase here: "fly in all types of weather  if you  want to win contests", and that is where those Soaring Masters  in  attendance beat the pants off of the non-Masters.  There are  plenty of  guys out there who stay at home if it's overcast or blowing too  hard -  today would've no doubt made them think twice about getting off  the  couch.  But where's the challenge in flying in pristine  conditions?  To  me, this hobby is about challenging, learning and expanding, and  that's  why I'm here.  As far as what I've learned today, I figure that this high-wind  stuff  requires a mindset that is similar to, but altogether different  than  your normal calmer-air flying.  If normal TD work is "macro",  then  high-wind stuff is very "micro".  Fine, clean control of your  plane and  accurate deduction of what the fast-moving and quick-changing  air was  doing in front of your ship were the keys to success today.  The  Masters  here did those things - and the rest of us hung on for dear  life. Me?   Well, while I'm here at the Soaring Masters, I'm no Master yet!   My goal  is to get on the first page of the results tomorrow :)  Yes, there was some carnage along the way - though honestly  today was  the day to test the limits of all manner of equipment, airborne  or  otherwise.  Model throwers were the rule, not the exception  along the  flight line today!  Safety was on the minds of everyone after  the  incident at the NATS with a pilot struck on the ground, and the  winch  bosses where quick to hand out warnings and kindly suggest that  someone  toss your plane.  There were line breaks, but with NATS-like  efficiency,  they were easily handled and the contest continued on.  And  while there  aren't "official" Turnaround Trolls, there was a good crew of  kiddos and  of-legal-age volunteers out there doing a thankless job.  Not to  forget  Marney and the well-oiled machine in the transmitter impound -  flawless! The weather was heinous, and at the end of the 4 rounds, there  wasn't a  perfect 4000 on the board even out of some of the best pilots  from the  West Coast, East Coast or beyond the lower 48 states.  I don't  have the  Day One scores, unfortunately, but suffice it to say there are  some  familiar names up there, but there are some unexpected as well.   A good  contest, and anything could happen in the next two days.   Thunderstorms  this evening and Saturday isn't looking any better - "may be  severe with  damaging winds" in the afternoon.  Another challenging day, but  one that  hopefully the "Soaring Masters" will make the most of.  ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org  --  End of Soaring V1 #8317 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.  Send  "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe  messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.   Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are  generally NOT in text format  Best Regards,Ed Anderson

[RCSE] Re: Thermal Dancer ??

[aeajr]

How did your Thermal Dancer turn out?  I am in the midst of building one
now.

Any tips you care to pass along?


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