Re: [RCSE] CONTESTS and LSF LEVELS
So you want to have more challenging Thermal flights with some recognition,
then whay not go after national and world records? From my undertsnading
they wil count as a contest win for any of the LSF levels, at least way back
when I thought I heard that question and answer.
And BTW, I have understand completely the pain one has trying to get
contest wins for Level 5. Back when Baxter (#1) and Work (#2) finished they
wee battleing me since they did not know who was going for the first one,
rather that someone was making the effort. I FINISHED the goal and return 2
weeks before they did, and had I not been missing 2 contest wins, well,
that's another story. I then went away to college for 3 years, grad school
in Wyoming, way away from contests and enough people, did not have the funds
to travel, so had to wait. Returned to LA and won the first 2 contests I
entered to finally cinch the level, #11.
LSF is what YOU make of it and nobody owes you anything, It has been one of
the best programs for over 30 years! And I should know, I have sat for 3-4
8 hours sessions for those who followed.
Thermals,
Chris Adams
LSF 348 LvL V #11
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From: Paul Rickie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:36 PM
Subject: [RCSE] CONTESTS and LSF LEVELS
Paul Ferguson posted to Jim Thomas in regards to 'Contests and LSF Levels,'
"Perhaps we need to leave the existing levels alone and add parallel
'non-contest' levels with more challenging tasks."
SOUNDS LIKE!! LSF AWARDS with a nasty " * " attached to me :-) !! Maybe,
Paul, as a disinterested party you could help the judges somewhere USA come
up with a scientific way to divine dimples :-) !
Sorry! I couldn't resist :-) !! I plan to compete in one international and
two national or regional contests in a busman's holiday to my Homeland
U.S.A. next summer. Is this language lost on you!? It means having FUN
while you are on business! What is the difference between what I will be
engaged in and Gordy!? With Gordy the FUN comes first :-) !! God is MY
boss!! My criteria for participation is similarly expressed as a principle
through the use of reiteration as is the laws of investing in real
estate (1. Location; 2) Location; 3) Location!!!). Expressly, "1) FUN; 2)
FUN; 3) FUN; 4) FUN !", the first LAW of RC Soaring instituted and
established by JW! I don't expect to win a thing this summer but new
friends--I will try harder, flying in the Eagle Class at the IHLGF, but
RCHLG pilots are getting older (fortunately Joe is still too young to
compete against me) and the competition is gett'n tougher at my (age) level
:-) ! Not that it didn't start out that way, the first year of the Eagle
Class ('98) I had to fly against the TPG's Scharck and Don Richmond. Still
as the AWAY Champ, GRACIOUS Ron (not to be confused with Don) awarded the
First Place Plaque to me which I proudly display; the NEAREST I will
probably EVER get to anything like it!? My third place the same year at
the MidSouths in HL Golf against the likes of Jim Bacus-Bruce Davidson
Company didn't get me a thing besides hearing my name blared out with a
bullhorn--and I ran the whole course; I think they mentioned that--I
thought I at least deserved a JR or Futaba decal!! Go figure :-) !!
It has been a long while since this thread has made the round--so be
it! As one who had hoped for a career in aviation and passed from true HL
gliders (NOT to be confused with RCHLG) and hand tow gliders with
dethermalizers to full scale while in college, I of course became
acquainted with the FAI international soaring awards. When I was drawn
into RC Soaring I soon became acquainted with the LSF program and
recognized the value of it for the RC Soaring enthusiast. I began my own
effort to bring it to Japan and later was ready to help one of our Japanese
glider-guiders (a better idea) establish it here. Except for the initial
phases, however, it is not a realistic program for Japan! None the less,
any changing of the rules would tarnish its metal!
As Rob Glover posted:
"The LSF is Not going to change it's program.
The LSF is Not going to change it's program.
The LSF is Not going to change it's program."
"Got it? Good." AMEN :-) and "Congratulations!!" to all the Level fives
out there!!
Paul Clark, SKY PILOT ONE, Osaka, Japan(AMA # 53 777 1)
http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/skypilot/
SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG AFICIONADO
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[RCSE] Contests and LSF Levels (2nd try)
At the beginning of this thread someone wrote: Why does the LSF not just have the level V. It is such a waste to promote the sport at those lower levels. I am sure there would still be several members and couple of level V's anyway. Who needs the level ones, two's and threes. I'd like to address that. The early levels of the LSF program are pretty easy for an experienced pilot but they do require participation. This is a place where the experienced pilot can get together with less experienced flyers and together work on the lower levels. I was still pretty new to rc and soaring when I started LSF and the lower levels generated enthusiasm for the sport and helped me to become a better flyer. The most active period my club ever had was when a group of about ten of us were all working on LSF. After a few years I made Level IV and began working on Level V. The first entry on my Level V voucher was dated 1977, the last, 1997. During the next "few" years I worked on Level V tasks. I considered them all "doable" except the contest requirements. For twenty years I flew in as few as 10 and as many as 20 contests a year. In almost all of those contests I competed against 2 or 3 Level V's, and a bunch of people who could/should have been Level V's. I had nearly given up hope of ever making it. A little determination, slightly above average flying skills, help from other LSFers and some good luck got me that last win. I was a little luckier than some of my other friends who, because of their age and participation levels, probably will neven make Level V but they are proud of their Level IV's and the parts of V that they have done. Other friends are close and still trying--and might yet make it. None of these people would like to see the rules change. Huzzah to them! Mike Clancy LSF 926 Level V #92 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Contests and LSF Levels (2nd try)
This statement was made by Tom Broeski and it was made as a SARCASTIC remark and he of course did not mean it. It was a remark made to try to make his point about having more than two classes (sport and expert) in the ESL contests. He is for more levels so he made the comment about why the need for 5 levels in LSF. Why don't we just have level V of LSF? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the beginning of this thread someone wrote: Why does the LSF not just have the level V. It is such a waste to promote the sport at those lower levels. I am sure there would still be several members and couple of level V's anyway. Who needs the level ones, two's and threes. I'd like to address that. The early levels of the LSF program are pretty easy for an experienced pilot but they do require participation. This is a place where the experienced pilot can get together with less experienced flyers and together work on the lower levels. I was still pretty new to rc and soaring when I started LSF and the lower levels generated enthusiasm for the sport and helped me to become a better flyer. The most active period my club ever had was when a group of about ten of us were all working on LSF. After a few years I made Level IV and began working on Level V. The first entry on my Level V voucher was dated 1977, the last, 1997. During the next "few" years I worked on Level V tasks. I considered them all "doable" except the contest requirements. For twenty years I flew in as few as 10 and as many as 20 contests a year. In almost all of those contests I competed against 2 or 3 Level V's, and a bunch of people who could/should have been Level V's. I had nearly given up hope of ever making it. A little determination, slightly above average flying skills, help from other LSFers and some good luck got me that last win. I was a little luckier than some of my other friends who, because of their age and participation levels, probably will neven make Level V but they are proud of their Level IV's and the parts of V that they have done. Other friends are close and still trying--and might yet make it. None of these people would like to see the rules change. Huzzah to them! Mike Clancy LSF 926 Level V #92 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Contests and LSF Levels
Gents, To all those that either don't see the point of having competition goals as part of LSF, or don't think they should have to compete and SUCCEED in competition as part of the LSF program, I have something to say. Don't get involved in LSF in the first place if you aren't willing to play by the same set of rules as the thousands of others that are willing to challenge themselves by those rules. Don't expect it to be easy, because it isn't, never was, and never will be. If you want to aspire to be as good as you can be, then learn from the experience. If you are afraid to fail, this program probably isn't for you, you have nothing to learn because you are already the best you ever will be. Don't expect the majority of fliers testing themselves against the LSF levels to sympathize with your need to succeed the easy way. Just go find a sheet of LSF decals and put the level number you think you rate on your plane (then go to one of the mail order universities and get yourself the degree you think you deserve, but won't work for). Jim Thomas LSF 4629, Level V #68 PhD Oregon State University 1979 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Contests and LSF Levels
We are not saying that we expect it to be easy. By all means make it harder. I am sure that the Level 5's would like another challenge (just ask Mal Pring who is doing it all again)! It can be made harder without the need for contests. Perhapes we need to leave the existing levels alone and add parallel "non-contest" levels with more challenging tasks. Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia -Original Message- From: Jim Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Contests and LSF Levels Gents, To all those that either don't see the point of having competition goals as part of LSF, or don't think they should have to compete and SUCCEED in competition as part of the LSF program, I have something to say. Don't get involved in LSF in the first place if you aren't willing to play by the same set of rules as the thousands of others that are willing to challenge themselves by those rules. Don't expect it to be easy, because it isn't, never was, and never will be. If you want to aspire to be as good as you can be, then learn from the experience. If you are afraid to fail, this program probably isn't for you, you have nothing to learn because you are already the best you ever will be. Don't expect the majority of fliers testing themselves against the LSF levels to sympathize with your need to succeed the easy way. Just go find a sheet of LSF decals and put the level number you think you rate on your plane (then go to one of the mail order universities and get yourself the degree you think you deserve, but won't work for). Jim Thomas LSF 4629, Level V #68 PhD Oregon State University 1979 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] CONTESTS and LSF LEVELS
Paul Ferguson posted to Jim Thomas in regards to 'Contests and LSF Levels,'
"Perhaps we need to leave the existing levels alone and add parallel
'non-contest' levels with more challenging tasks."
SOUNDS LIKE!! LSF AWARDS with a nasty " * " attached to me :-) !! Maybe,
Paul, as a disinterested party you could help the judges somewhere USA come
up with a scientific way to divine dimples :-) !
Sorry! I couldn't resist :-) !! I plan to compete in one international and
two national or regional contests in a busman's holiday to my Homeland
U.S.A. next summer. Is this language lost on you!? It means having FUN
while you are on business! What is the difference between what I will be
engaged in and Gordy!? With Gordy the FUN comes first :-) !! God is MY
boss!! My criteria for participation is similarly expressed as a principle
through the use of reiteration as is the laws of investing in real
estate (1. Location; 2) Location; 3) Location!!!). Expressly, "1) FUN; 2)
FUN; 3) FUN; 4) FUN !", the first LAW of RC Soaring instituted and
established by JW! I don't expect to win a thing this summer but new
friends--I will try harder, flying in the Eagle Class at the IHLGF, but
RCHLG pilots are getting older (fortunately Joe is still too young to
compete against me) and the competition is gett'n tougher at my (age) level
:-) ! Not that it didn't start out that way, the first year of the Eagle
Class ('98) I had to fly against the TPG's Scharck and Don Richmond. Still
as the AWAY Champ, GRACIOUS Ron (not to be confused with Don) awarded the
First Place Plaque to me which I proudly display; the NEAREST I will
probably EVER get to anything like it!? My third place the same year at
the MidSouths in HL Golf against the likes of Jim Bacus-Bruce Davidson
Company didn't get me a thing besides hearing my name blared out with a
bullhorn--and I ran the whole course; I think they mentioned that--I
thought I at least deserved a JR or Futaba decal!! Go figure :-) !!
It has been a long while since this thread has made the round--so be
it! As one who had hoped for a career in aviation and passed from true HL
gliders (NOT to be confused with RCHLG) and hand tow gliders with
dethermalizers to full scale while in college, I of course became
acquainted with the FAI international soaring awards. When I was drawn
into RC Soaring I soon became acquainted with the LSF program and
recognized the value of it for the RC Soaring enthusiast. I began my own
effort to bring it to Japan and later was ready to help one of our Japanese
glider-guiders (a better idea) establish it here. Except for the initial
phases, however, it is not a realistic program for Japan! None the less,
any changing of the rules would tarnish its metal!
As Rob Glover posted:
"The LSF is Not going to change it's program.
The LSF is Not going to change it's program.
The LSF is Not going to change it's program."
"Got it? Good." AMEN :-) and "Congratulations!!" to all the Level fives
out there!!
Paul Clark, SKY PILOT ONE, Osaka, Japan(AMA # 53 777 1)
http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/skypilot/
SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG AFICIONADO
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