RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer
Multiplex easy star is a good low cost electric ship that performs quite well. Ditto to what George said! Dan -Original Message- From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Zusi' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:28:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer Mike, we're happy to have you on board! There are some better entry level electric planes than the Endurance. The Endurance was designed for those who already know how to fly. The best advice anyone can give you is to get with some locals that fly sailplanes. Most major cities have glider clubs, and if not, then several modelers who fly sailplane in an 'unorganized' fashion. What city are you in? Hopefully someone on this list can contact you and show you the ropes before you plop down your hard earned $. As for your first sailplane, the Gentle Lady ARF or the Spirit ARF are good entry level planes. They are not electrics though. George Voss OKC -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer I am new to model soaring and am looking for an electric sailplane for a learner ship. Have seen a Goldberg Endurance 400 at the local hobby shop and wonder whether anyone has experience with this model. Also would like to find a DLG to learn on with some help at the flying site. Thanks for any help. Mike Zusi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer
Dan is correct about the Easy Star. I taught my brother in law to fly on one of those. I would recommend making the rudder bigger by adding a piece of thin plastic until the rudder was twice its current width. It will turn much better that way. gv -Original Message- From: Dan Ahearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer Multiplex easy star is a good low cost electric ship that performs quite well. Ditto to what George said! Dan -Original Message- From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Zusi' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:28:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer Mike, we're happy to have you on board! There are some better entry level electric planes than the Endurance. The Endurance was designed for those who already know how to fly. The best advice anyone can give you is to get with some locals that fly sailplanes. Most major cities have glider clubs, and if not, then several modelers who fly sailplane in an 'unorganized' fashion. What city are you in? Hopefully someone on this list can contact you and show you the ropes before you plop down your hard earned $. As for your first sailplane, the Gentle Lady ARF or the Spirit ARF are good entry level planes. They are not electrics though. George Voss OKC -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer I am new to model soaring and am looking for an electric sailplane for a learner ship. Have seen a Goldberg Endurance 400 at the local hobby shop and wonder whether anyone has experience with this model. Also would like to find a DLG to learn on with some help at the flying site. Thanks for any help. Mike Zusi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer
Mike nice to meet you at CASA's Gude Drive Flying Field. If you haven't already check out: http://www.liftzone.com/ - go to the forums (discussion board) and there is a HLG group that is very active. Also a Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SALglider/ - great information Use the search functions of these message groups. Entry level DLGs... I'll probably be flamed for that remark (no particular order): The DL50 http://mountainmodels.com/ The Gambler+ http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com EPP DLG - Spinner XT http://www.upslopesailplanes.com Scoobie; Swyft (replaces the Seeker) http://www.liftworx.com/ The competition DLGs; Polecat Aero; XP-4 http://www.polecataero.com/ Oleg Golovidov Taboo; http://olgol.com/taboo.html Maple Leaf Design, Encore DLG. http://www.mapleleafdesign.com/ I think CASA member John Leigh flys a DL50 or similar. Bert -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer I am new to model soaring and am looking for an electric sailplane for a learner ship. Have seen a Goldberg Endurance 400 at the local hobby shop and wonder whether anyone has experience with this model. Also would like to find a DLG to learn on with some help at the flying site. Thanks for any help. Mike Zusi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer
I am new to model soaring and am looking for an electric sailplane for a learner ship. Have seen a Goldberg Endurance 400 at the local hobby shop and wonder whether anyone has experience with this model. Also would like to find a DLG to learn on with some help at the flying site. Thanks for any help. Mike Zusi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer
Mike, we're happy to have you on board! There are some better entry level electric planes than the Endurance. The Endurance was designed for those who already know how to fly. The best advice anyone can give you is to get with some locals that fly sailplanes. Most major cities have glider clubs, and if not, then several modelers who fly sailplane in an 'unorganized' fashion. What city are you in? Hopefully someone on this list can contact you and show you the ropes before you plop down your hard earned $. As for your first sailplane, the Gentle Lady ARF or the Spirit ARF are good entry level planes. They are not electrics though. George Voss OKC -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:11 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] (RCSE) New Soarer I am new to model soaring and am looking for an electric sailplane for a learner ship. Have seen a Goldberg Endurance 400 at the local hobby shop and wonder whether anyone has experience with this model. Also would like to find a DLG to learn on with some help at the flying site. Thanks for any help. Mike Zusi RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
The ESL is a group of clubs with very good RC pilots, they would be a great resource. http://www.flyesl.com/ Steve At 05:26 PM 5/19/2005, Michael Zusi wrote: Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New Soarer
Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Hi Mike, For backyard flying, an electric powered glider is the way to go. Get something with a wingspan in the 1.5 to 1.8 meter range. Northeast Sailplanes has a couple of nice gliders, including the Omega 1.5 and the Omega 1.8. Another nice little electric powered soarer is the Ascent, which may be available in your local hobby shop. I would advise against larger electric powered gliders (they require more room) and I would avoid a glider that has ailerons (more complicated/expensive and for a beginner they are not really needed). Whatever route you choose, by all means get some help from an experienced flyer, preferably one that has experience flying sailplanes for they understand something about the location of and flying in a thermal. Good luck with your venture; with the right equipment and the help of an experienced glider pilot you can have a lot of fun soaring with the crows/hawks/sea gulls or whatever frequents your area. If you have further questions, feel free to ask; and don't be concerned about any 'protocol'. :) Regards, Bob Johnson Fond du Lac, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Go to their field, watch them fly, talk to them. Looks like they do powered planes rather than gliders, but they'll still be a good resource. Yes, some power pilots can be good resources. But take everything you hear with a grain of salt. The level of ignorance at the power field is often pretty scary. Never talk airfoils with a power guy. As far they know, there's only three in existance. maybe you'll like the glow planes Ack! Once you get proficient with one, it'll get boring. Plus, there's cleaning the slime of the plane. Team Boring Slime. Pretty much says it all for me. I'll do it about once every two years with a friend. But that's only because there are no glider flyers in my area. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
Yep, I started flying an .049 powered Schoolmaster. After I learned how to get it up and down and learned a few stunts it was just boring holes in the sky, for me. The clean-up afterwards was really a chore. I know that many people love it, but glow/gas is not for me. Another thing I seem to notice about some of the guys that fly power and sailplanes around here is that they tend to horse the airplane around. They appear to be used to the power as a cover-up for inefficient flying. There is just something about a glider quietly spiraling up to a dot in a thermal and then hissing through the air in a high speed pass!!! Mark W. - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Zusi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Soarer Go to their field, watch them fly, talk to them. Looks like they do powered planes rather than gliders, but they'll still be a good resource. Yes, some power pilots can be good resources. But take everything you hear with a grain of salt. The level of ignorance at the power field is often pretty scary. Never talk airfoils with a power guy. As far they know, there's only three in existance. maybe you'll like the glow planes Ack! Once you get proficient with one, it'll get boring. Plus, there's cleaning the slime of the plane. Team Boring Slime. Pretty much says it all for me. I'll do it about once every two years with a friend. But that's only because there are no glider flyers in my area. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
Michael Zusi wrote: Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Two good things to read before you get started: http://www.b2streamlines.com/GSinRCSr.pdf http://www.soarheads.com/documents/gettingstarted.html Enjoy, Keith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] New Soarer
Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] New Soarer
Welcome to the fold. There are a great many choices as you mention. If you haven't picked up any magazines at your local hobby shop, you should. You'll find a great variety of entry-level planes. Take a look through the mags and find a few that you like and then bounce them off of RCSE. There are great people on this list with years and years of experience. Personally, I've got 37 years of modeling experience and love it! Personally, I like the Easy Star from Multiplex. It's inexpensive and it's made from EPP foam. It will take a lot of abuse while you are learning to fly. As for a radio, I'd recommend the RD 8000 from www.soaringspecialties.com, which is me. I have the best prices on Airtronics equipment. There are other great radios and companies that handle other brands of radios too and several monitor RCSE. Again, welcome aboard. George Voss -Original Message- From: Michael Zusi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:26 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] New Soarer Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 06:26:13PM -0400, Michael Zusi wrote: | Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new | listserve. The usual protocol is to watch the list for a while before you post, but there's nothing wrong with your post ... | I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, | am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but | I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my | backyard. Any suggestions? The big one is that while you already know how to fly, flying an R/C plane is different. Sure, they fly on the same principles, but how you perceive it is totally different. Stories of experienced full scale pilots trying R/C flying on their own and crashing their planes in 10 seconds are not rare at all. It's not that they can't fly, it's just that it's ... different, and while you're up there is not the time to figure out how it's different and figure out how to correct for it. Ideally, you'll find somebody nearby who's familiar with R/C planes who can show you the ropes. A few minutes of assistance from somebody in person can save you hours and hours of frustration, not to mention lots of money. | I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may | be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more | advanced aircraft. Well, I'll assume you'll avoid the `toys' where everything is completely ready to go -- things like you'll get at Wal-Mart, or even the somewhat better planes like the Firebirds and others. Once you get into the `serious' R/C planes, you'll find that the receivers and servos and stuff are all seperate from the plane and generally interchangable (though smaller planes generally require smaller gear.) This, probably more than anything else, differentiates the `toy' RC planes from the serious ones. More fancy planes generally use more channels. You can have a very enjoyable glider with 2 channels, but a serious plane might use 7 or even more. If you get a computer radio with at least 7 channels (like the Hitec Eclipse, Futaba 7c or 9c, or many others), you'll probably find that this one transmitter can control lots of planes and you're not likely to outgrow it for a while. It'll cost more, however ... | flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any | suggestions on how to proceed? There seems to be an R/C club in your city -- http://www.frederickmodelaircraftclub.org/. Go to their field, watch them fly, talk to them. Looks like they do powered planes rather than gliders, but they'll still be a good resource. And who knows -- maybe you'll like the glow planes :) As for park fliers, I'm pretty fond of my Slow Stick, but there's lots and lots to choose from. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] internet, eh? I hear they have that on computers now. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Soarer
At 03:26 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Excuse me if I am not following protocol. I am venturing into a new listserve. I am venturing into r/c flying. I'm a Navy pilot. Fly privately, am a tow pilot and have soloed a glider. The big stuff is great but I would love to learn to fly a r/c glider among the crows in my backyard. Any suggestions? I've thought of the rtf products as an introduction but then I may be stuck with tx and receivers that aren't compatible with more advanced aircraft. I'd like to do some field flights with launch but also want to park fly in my backyard. Any suggestions on how to proceed? Mike Zusi Frederick, MD You'll get some good suggestions from the good people on the Exchange. Here are some of mine: First, if you can, get someone to help you. It'll shorten the learning process--and lessen the frustration--considerably. Look into any of the EPP planes out there. The building time is very short, and they bounce nicely. Personally, I like the Zagi line a great deal; they're not the easiest planes to fly, but I think learning on a plane that keeps going where you point it is a good way to go. The THL (the light version) is a very gentle, but still flies well enough to be satisfying. I still have mine after several years and three recoverings. If you stick with the sport, you may wind up wanting a radio that'll handle multiple models and a full house ship (4 servo wing). Entry-level radios are very cheap, though, so you might consider getting a very cheap radio for your trainer, then, assuming you get as hooked as the rest of us are, spring for a higher-end radio. I've been very happy with my Airtronics Stylus with glider card. I use it on all my planes except for the trainer, which has a buddy cord setup. Ultimately, the transmitter is NOT the most expensive part of your gear--some would say it's the full-sized SUV needed to carry a fleet of sailplanes! For most of the people I have taught to fly, there are two main hurdles to clear: overcontrolling (just like full scale!) and learning to deal with the apparent control reversal when the plane is coming toward you. Some people find simulators very useful. Look into FMS (which is free): www.tti-us.com/sim/ It appears that Trick RC is no longer making the THL, but I still see them on line and in hobby shops. Hope this is helpful. Joe Parsons RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
