RE: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS
First I will add my thanks to the club for a good weekend and for the guts to fly man on man. Great job guys!!! BTW. Thanks for the ass whipping Manny! Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. Everyone I talked to liked the idea and had a few suggestions (listed below) The IESC flying site has some very tough air, if you zigged when you should have zagged you found yourself at 1/2 launch height in short time.. The contest used retrievers and 4 winches for 5 man groups, sometimes the last guy in the group launched 1 1/2 to 2 minutes behind the first guy and the professional sandbaggers took full advantage of it. When the air is that fickle 1 minute is enough time to figure out who NOT to follow. Short line were not a problem but you did need a good launch set up. The contest was defiantly biased towards soaring with a max of 5 landing points possible. The contest was also a triathlon scoring thrown in for fun. The first round was a 3 minute bell curve straight up. What I heard for suggestions: * Landing points could be higher but more importantly define a tighter landing area. If you don't define a landing area then guys are landing all over the place from all directions. At this contest inside the 1/4 mile track would be a good landing area. Outside the landing area would receive no points. It would be safer and more controlled. * Drop the triathlon, go with all 10 minute man on man flights. * More winches, the retrievers worked and pilots were launched as soon as possible with the manpower available. Without retrievers you can get the group up faster but you also need more help shagging lines. If you have the space between winches then retrievers are a good idea. At our field we can't spread out wide enough to keep the bow from the retriever line out of the next pilots way so you need to wait for the retriever to tighten the line before the next pilot can launch. Worse in a cross wind. At HSS we will put some of these suggestion into play so if your July 7th Sunday is open come on out. Tom Copp COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:07 AM To: John Erickson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List Subject:Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS Was there much of guys chasing the leader around the field, or did everyone try to find their own air? If it's at all like the IHLGF, I'm always surprised how little poaching actually takes place. You have less time to decide in hand launch, and 25' can make a big difference, but I would think that with good launches there would be the opportunity to just try and cover the leader. The launch lines were quite short, and the winches easily stalled - not much launch height. The air was brutal - light disorganized lift with BIG sink. I was not instantly comfortable on any of my flights. (Except the 3) There was a bit of herd mentality, but if you wanted to make your times, you needed to break away from the pack. I think only the top 3 made all their times - and Cohn turned an 8 minute on a 10 minute task into a 1,000. (So actually only 2 of the top 3 made their times) I was trying to figure out if this would have been the case had the contest NOT been held man on man. I think many more people would have made their times had it been held in a normal contest format. There would have been planes in the air to read and cover. Or to read and go the other way. The contest definitely emphasized soaring skills - it was more fun than the typical steer and stabs we normally fly in. Thanks again to ISS for trying something new - it was a hoot! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS
Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. This may be true more than you suspect :-) David - Original Message - From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Soaring List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS First I will add my thanks to the club for a good weekend and for the guts to fly man on man. Great job guys!!! BTW. Thanks for the ass whipping Manny! Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. Everyone I talked to liked the idea and had a few suggestions (listed below) The IESC flying site has some very tough air, if you zigged when you should have zagged you found yourself at 1/2 launch height in short time.. The contest used retrievers and 4 winches for 5 man groups, sometimes the last guy in the group launched 1 1/2 to 2 minutes behind the first guy and the professional sandbaggers took full advantage of it. When the air is that fickle 1 minute is enough time to figure out who NOT to follow. Short line were not a problem but you did need a good launch set up. The contest was defiantly biased towards soaring with a max of 5 landing points possible. The contest was also a triathlon scoring thrown in for fun. The first round was a 3 minute bell curve straight up. What I heard for suggestions: * Landing points could be higher but more importantly define a tighter landing area. If you don't define a landing area then guys are landing all over the place from all directions. At this contest inside the 1/4 mile track would be a good landing area. Outside the landing area would receive no points. It would be safer and more controlled. * Drop the triathlon, go with all 10 minute man on man flights. * More winches, the retrievers worked and pilots were launched as soon as possible with the manpower available. Without retrievers you can get the group up faster but you also need more help shagging lines. If you have the space between winches then retrievers are a good idea. At our field we can't spread out wide enough to keep the bow from the retriever line out of the next pilots way so you need to wait for the retriever to tighten the line before the next pilot can launch. Worse in a cross wind. At HSS we will put some of these suggestion into play so if your July 7th Sunday is open come on out. Tom Copp COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:07 AM To: John Erickson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS Was there much of guys chasing the leader around the field, or did everyone try to find their own air? If it's at all like the IHLGF, I'm always surprised how little poaching actually takes place. You have less time to decide in hand launch, and 25' can make a big difference, but I would think that with good launches there would be the opportunity to just try and cover the leader. The launch lines were quite short, and the winches easily stalled - not much launch height. The air was brutal - light disorganized lift with BIG sink. I was not instantly comfortable on any of my flights. (Except the 3) There was a bit of herd mentality, but if you wanted to make your times, you needed to break away from the pack. I think only the top 3 made all their times - and Cohn turned an 8 minute on a 10 minute task into a 1,000. (So actually only 2 of the top 3 made their times) I was trying to figure out if this would have been the case had the contest NOT been held man on man. I think many more people would have made their times had it been held in a normal contest format. There would have been planes in the air to read and cover. Or to read and go the other way. The contest definitely emphasized soaring skills - it was more fun than the typical steer and stabs we normally fly in. Thanks again to ISS for trying something new - it was a hoot! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS
Looks like things are gettin' kinda hot in Bakersfield :-) Dan --- David Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. This may be true more than you suspect :-) David - Original Message - From: Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Soaring List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS First I will add my thanks to the club for a good weekend and for the guts to fly man on man. Great job guys!!! BTW. Thanks for the ass whipping Manny! Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. Everyone I talked to liked the idea and had a few suggestions (listed below) The IESC flying site has some very tough air, if you zigged when you should have zagged you found yourself at 1/2 launch height in short time.. The contest used retrievers and 4 winches for 5 man groups, sometimes the last guy in the group launched 1 1/2 to 2 minutes behind the first guy and the professional sandbaggers took full advantage of it. When the air is that fickle 1 minute is enough time to figure out who NOT to follow. Short line were not a problem but you did need a good launch set up. The contest was defiantly biased towards soaring with a max of 5 landing points possible. The contest was also a triathlon scoring thrown in for fun. The first round was a 3 minute bell curve straight up. What I heard for suggestions: * Landing points could be higher but more importantly define a tighter landing area. If you don't define a landing area then guys are landing all over the place from all directions. At this contest inside the 1/4 mile track would be a good landing area. Outside the landing area would receive no points. It would be safer and more controlled. * Drop the triathlon, go with all 10 minute man on man flights. * More winches, the retrievers worked and pilots were launched as soon as possible with the manpower available. Without retrievers you can get the group up faster but you also need more help shagging lines. If you have the space between winches then retrievers are a good idea. At our field we can't spread out wide enough to keep the bow from the retriever line out of the next pilots way so you need to wait for the retriever to tighten the line before the next pilot can launch. Worse in a cross wind. At HSS we will put some of these suggestion into play so if your July 7th Sunday is open come on out. Tom Copp COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:07 AM To: John Erickson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS Was there much of guys chasing the leader around the field, or did everyone try to find their own air? If it's at all like the IHLGF, I'm always surprised how little poaching actually takes place. You have less time to decide in hand launch, and 25' can make a big difference, but I would think that with good launches there would be the opportunity to just try and cover the leader. The launch lines were quite short, and the winches easily stalled - not much launch height. The air was brutal - light disorganized lift with BIG sink. I was not instantly comfortable on any of my flights. (Except the 3) There was a bit of herd mentality, but if you wanted to make your times, you needed to break away from the pack. I think only the top 3 made all their times - and Cohn turned an 8 minute on a 10 minute task into a 1,000. (So actually only 2 of the top 3 made their times) I was trying to figure out if this would have been the case had the contest NOT been held man on man. I think many more people would have made their times had it been held in a normal contest format. There would have been planes in the air to read and cover. Or to read and go the other way. The contest definitely emphasized soaring skills - it was more fun than the typical steer and stabs we normally fly in. Thanks again to ISS for trying something new - it was a hoot! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests
