Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Bert Kiers
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:09:37PM -0700, Jerome Ibanes wrote:
> Does anyone has experience with Supermicro SYS-5018A-FTN4?
> 
> Specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
> Quote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837
> 
> The quality is certainly not comparable to what we've seen from
> Soekris, but this seems to be an acceptable solution for the price.

We have 20..30 of those boxes and they just work.  They have the
regular, high SuperMicro quality.  I would not they less than Soekris.

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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread ck+soekristech
Hi Jerome,

> Jerome Ibanes  hat am 19. Oktober 2015 um 01:09
> geschrieben:
> Does anyone has experience with Supermicro SYS-5018A-FTN4?
> 
> Specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
> Quote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837
> 
> The quality is certainly not comparable to what we've seen from
> Soekris, but this seems to be an acceptable solution for the price.

I am using one of them and pretty happy. IMHO it's a good Soekris replacement.

Cheers
Conrad
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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Dan Shechter
Hi Conrad,

What about Serial console, especially for the BIOS?

-Dan

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:26 AM,   wrote:
> Hi Jerome,
>
>> Jerome Ibanes  hat am 19. Oktober 2015 um 01:09
>> geschrieben:
>> Does anyone has experience with Supermicro SYS-5018A-FTN4?
>>
>> Specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
>> Quote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837
>>
>> The quality is certainly not comparable to what we've seen from
>> Soekris, but this seems to be an acceptable solution for the price.
>
> I am using one of them and pretty happy. IMHO it's a good Soekris replacement.
>
> Cheers
> Conrad
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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 06:26:33PM +0200, ck+soekrist...@bl4ckb0x.de wrote:
> Hi Jerome,
> 
> > Jerome Ibanes  hat am 19. Oktober 2015 um 01:09
> > geschrieben:
> > Does anyone has experience with Supermicro SYS-5018A-FTN4?
> > 
> > Specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
> > Quote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837
> > 
> > The quality is certainly not comparable to what we've seen from
> > Soekris, but this seems to be an acceptable solution for the price.
> 
> I am using one of them and pretty happy. IMHO it's a good Soekris replacement.
> 

I'm replacing my 6501 with a 1U SuperMicro Atom box that's router
specific. By router specific I mean that the chassis mounts backwards
so the ports are on the front. For me the advantages of the SuperMicro
are Price and Expansion:

   o Price: The SuperMicro box was $349 in 1U form with is about the
 same as a 6501 in the non-rackmount chassis. The 6501 in
 rackmount chassis is over $100 more expensive;

   o Expansion: The SuperMicro box takes standard RAM so I can side
 the RAM to my needs are commodity prices. My box has 4GB of RAM.

The power requirements are between the two comparable at 20W. As far
as quality goes I would have to say that both seem equal and the
SuperMicro may have the edge. I'm rather happy not to have my hands
cut up by the sharp edges inside the Soekris Chassis.

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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:33:26AM -0700, Dan Shechter wrote:
> Hi Conrad,
> 
> What about Serial console, especially for the BIOS?
> 

If you look at the pictures of that box behind the links you'll see
that it has a front panel DB9 serial port. When I setup my SuperMicro
machine, which is earlier but similar, I setup the serial console on
OpenBSD without trouble. Managing the the BIOS via serial doesn't seem
to be an option but out-of-band access is no problem.

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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-10-19, Dan Shechter  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:26 AM,   wrote:
>>> Jerome Ibanes  hat am 19. Oktober 2015 um 01:09
>>> geschrieben:
>>> Does anyone has experience with Supermicro SYS-5018A-FTN4?
>>>
>>> Specs: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm
>>> Quote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101837
>>>
>>> The quality is certainly not comparable to what we've seen from
>>> Soekris, but this seems to be an acceptable solution for the price.
>>
>> I am using one of them and pretty happy. IMHO it's a good Soekris 
>> replacement.
>
> What about Serial console, especially for the BIOS?
>
> -Dan

They have a BIOS option to set them to use serial console, it's not active
by default so you need to plug in a keyboard or use IPMI for initial setup.

Watch out for IPMI on these. This usually *is* enabled by default, setup with 
a common default admin password, and to share the first main NIC if nothing's
connected to the management port, leaving access to the console/power/etc a
lot wider open than you probably want.


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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Szechuan Death
On 10/19/15 10:02 AM, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:33:26AM -0700, Dan Shechter wrote:
>> Hi Conrad,
>> 
>> What about Serial console, especially for the BIOS?
>> 
> 
> If you look at the pictures of that box behind the links you'll
> see that it has a front panel DB9 serial port. When I setup my
> SuperMicro machine, which is earlier but similar, I setup the
> serial console on OpenBSD without trouble. Managing the the BIOS
> via serial doesn't seem to be an option but out-of-band access is
> no problem.

SuperMicro boxes are good at that.

Also, it would appear, from the specs page, that it actually has
on-board IPMI, which for Supermicro boxes of my acquaintance means
it's probably got on-board iKVM too.

Nice little box!

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Re: [Soekris] I see development of the net6801 has been dropped.

2015-10-19 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
When I originally saw this thread I didn't think much about it but
given my experience, it makes sense. I'm not sure that there's a place
in the market for the Net6801. Consider that there are several Intel
Atom based machines which are only slightly more expensive than the
current Net6501-70. Many of these machines are based on motherboards
designed by and build by or for Intel. These machines take commodity
RAM and Power Supplies so they are cheaper to initially configure and
to maintain.

Purchase cost in order:

 Net6501-50, standard case: ... $346 / $163
 Net6501-70, standard case: ... $470 /  $39
 Net6501-50, 1U case: . $473 /  $36
 SuperMicro SYS-5018A-FTN4, 1U case, no RAM: .. $509 /  
 Net6501-70, 1U case: . $597 / -$88

The problem with the Net6801 is that there is no price point for it.

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