Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[David Gallagher Softimage]

How do you see prices on those?


On 6/7/2017 6:15 AM, Andreas Böinghoff wrote:

For new machines we're going for supermicro.

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm

We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had.


A

On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:


I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad 
of AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they 
can get their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/
On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware 
to be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never 
mind 3d professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer 
electronics for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for 
a 3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com 
<mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl 
<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

<https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/>

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and
a little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think
of for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years.
Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the
move from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
011 717 4683










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*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald
Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng;
Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke;
Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


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*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za <mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

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Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
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*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/xsi_list>
*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On Behalf
Of *Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Offic

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

I;m having issues even getting into installed linux, starting up
installation get's stuck as well. starts booting into installation and
hangs.. on 3 different machines so I gave up completely. But anyway OT...
move on :)
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
wrote:

> Do you Have Nvidia Opti,us graphics. As they are no end of pain of Linux?
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>
> *Chief Information Officer (Wits)*
>
> +27117171662 <+27%2011%20717%201662>
>
> +27733779947 <+27%2073%20377%209947>
>
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
>
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>
>
>
> *PA*
>
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602 <+27%2011%20717%201602>
>
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> *From:* Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 07 June 2017 03:24 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/
> forum/#!forum/xsi_list
> *Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
> centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
> ᐧ
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
> wrote:
>
>> Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than
>> others.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>
>> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>>
>>
>>
>> Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers
>> updated and all up and running and working in same day it will be
>> nightmare.
>>
>> Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded
>> upgrades policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap..
>> But tried Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version
>> up and running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+
>> years of experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it
>> surely something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply
>> makes no point in wasting so much money on something that
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
>> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
>> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
>> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
>> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
>> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
>> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
>> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Angus
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
>> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>
>>
>> *Subje

RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

Do you Have Nvidia Opti,us graphics. As they are no end of pain of Linux?

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683










From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
Chief Information Officer (Wits)
+27117171662
+27733779947
stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za<mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>
"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

PA
Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
Tel  :+2711 717 1602
Email  :   
celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>




From: Mirko Jankovic [mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 June 2017 03:24 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
[https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=abWlya29qLmFuaW1hdG9yQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D=zerocontent=75f9e534-7f96-4477-a6b8-1151d5cb1cd9]ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson 
<angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than others.

From: Mirko Jankovic 
<mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com<mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM

To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated and 
all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades 
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried Linux 
road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and running on 
any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of experience have 
to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely something wrong with that 
OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no point in wasting so much money 
on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
<angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore 
<jonathan.moo...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>

Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com<ma

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

centos, mint, manjaro, fedora, ubuntu.. couple versions of each of them
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
wrote:

> Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than
> others.
>
>
>
> *From: *Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
>
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated
> and all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
>
> Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades
> policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried
> Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and
> running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of
> experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely
> something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no
> point in wasting so much money on something that
>
> ᐧ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
> wrote:
>
> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>
>
>
> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Angus
>
>
>
> *From: *Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of
> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows
> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.
>
>
>
> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be
> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d
> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for
> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <
> christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>
>
>
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
> don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
> Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
> small on Mac.
>
>
>
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl> wrote:
>
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Thanks for the link ref Supermicro Andreas. They look monstrously good for GPU 
workflows. :)


> On 7 Jun 2017, at 13:15, Andreas Böinghoff <boeingh...@themarmalade.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> For new machines we're going for supermicro. 
> 
> https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm 
> <https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm>
> 
> We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
> redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had. 
> 
> A
> 
> On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:
>> I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad of 
>> AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can get 
>> their hands on it ;-)
>> Rob
>> 
>> \/-\/\/
>> On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
>>> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of 
>>> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows 
>>> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience. 
>>> 
>>> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be 
>>> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d 
>>> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for 
>>> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
>>>> <christopher.crou...@gmail.com <mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>>>> 
>>>> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
>>>> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing 
>>>> it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their 
>>>> Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed 
>>>> something). I don't think many developers are willing to write their 
>>>> software using the Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D 
>>>> market is fairly small on Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing 
>>>> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl 
>>>> <mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote:
>>>> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>>>>  
>>>> <https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/>
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>> \/-\/\/
>>>> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>>>>> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little 
>>>>> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the 
>>>>> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from 
>>>>> apple far less painful for us
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> ICT Project Manager
>>>>> Digital Arts 
>>>>> Wits School of the Arts
>>>>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
>>>>> 011 717 4683
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Stanley Mpofu
>>>>> Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
>>>>> To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; 
>>>>> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho 
>>>>> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; 
>>>>> Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
>>>>> Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>>>>> 
>>>>> Colleagues
>>>>> 
>>>>> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction 
>>>>> as well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT 
>>>>> and the University. Ple

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

Which Linux distros have you tried. Some are significantly easier than others.

From: Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 2:27 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated and 
all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades 
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried Linux 
road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and running on 
any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of experience have 
to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely something wrong with that 
OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no point in wasting so much money 
on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson 
<angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore 
<jonathan.moo...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>

Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com<mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. To 
make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing when 
they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> 
wrote:
One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob



\/-\/\/
On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit of 
after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple far 
less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
011 717 4683








From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the 

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Mirko Jankovic]

Until they create linux that you can just insatll, get all drivers updated
and all up and running and working in same day it will be nightmare.
Windows just recently crushed 3 of my machines with it's retarded upgrades
policy and for some stupid reason I didn't blok all that crap.. But tried
Linux road couple times and I couldn't even get a single version up and
running on any of my machines. If a fairly advanced user with 20+ years of
experience have to struggle to get OS up and running then it surely
something wrong with that OS :) But yes mac is even rose. simply makes no
point in wasting so much money on something that
ᐧ

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
wrote:

> I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are
> so many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to
> the point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it
> really shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux.
> Centos if I need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The
> new desktops like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its
> exceptionally quick. Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.
>
>
>
> I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student
> machines running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Angus
>
>
>
> *From: *Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
> *To: *"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>
> *Subject: *Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of
> the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows
> but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.
>
>
>
> However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be
> an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d
> professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for
> sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <
> christopher.crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
>
>
>
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
> don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
> Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
> small on Mac.
>
>
>
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl> wrote:
>
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
>
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

I will be honest. I loved my g5 mac pro, and I have loved OSX. There are so 
many things is does in a far more elegant manner than Windows. Even to the 
point of hackintoshing and putting the OS on decent hardware (where it really 
shines). However even with that. These days I go directly to linux. Centos if I 
need to run Maya, or Mint if not. Its just so much easier. The new desktops 
like Mate make it a total pleasure to work in and its exceptionally quick. 
Octane , Photoscan, Fusion all running like a Ferrari.

I am going have to get used to windows 10 as I will have 250 student machines 
running it next year, but doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Kind regards

Angus

From: Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Date: Wednesday, 07 June 2017 at 1:45 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience.

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com<mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. To 
make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing when 
they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> 
wrote:
One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob



\/-\/\/
On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit of 
after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple far 
less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za<mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
011 717 4683









From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
Chief Information Officer (Wits)
+27117171662
+27733779947
stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za<mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>
"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

PA
Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
Tel  :+2711 717 1602
Email  :   
celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>




From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>]
Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
MAC

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
Sent: June-06-17 3:36 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google<https://groups.google/>. com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: New iMa

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Andreas Böinghoff]

For new machines we're going for supermicro.

https://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm

We always had HP Z800-840 - Since we were doing more and more jobs on 
redshift his workstations are the best machines we ever had.


A

On 07/06/2017 14:02, Rob Wuijster wrote:


I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad 
of AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can 
get their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/
On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware 
to be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 
3d professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer 
electronics for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 
3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com 
<mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl 
<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

<https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/>

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and
a little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think
of for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years.
Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the
move from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa;
Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts;
Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za <mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel  :+2711 717 1602

Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>





*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau
[marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/xsi_list>
*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google <htt

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Rob Wuijster]

I agree, although some of my friends who are into 2D design and a tad of 
AfterEffects will probably running to the store as soon as they can get 
their hands on it ;-)


Rob

\/-\/\/

On 7-6-2017 13:45, Jonathan Moore wrote:
Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury 
end of the consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I 
prefer to Windows but I’m also aware that I’m paying an extreme 
premium for the experience.


However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to 
be an optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d 
professionals. The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics 
for sure but it would be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.


On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet 
<christopher.crou...@gmail.com 
<mailto:christopher.crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at 
only supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly 
implementing it. To make things worse, they decided to go their own 
way with their Metal API without providing any support for Vulkan 
(unless I missed something). I don't think many developers are 
willing to write their software using the Metal API to boost 
rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.


Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics 
marketing when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.



On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl 
<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote:


One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:


https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

<https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/>

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a
little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of
for some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to
and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move
from apple far less painful for us

--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry;
Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa;
Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts;
Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to
the SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with
comments and more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits
going forward.



Many thanks


Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za <mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"


*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel  :+2711 717 1602

Email  : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>





*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com
<mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/xsi_list>
*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs
anymore but was interested in getting the low down on these
“new” contenders.

MAC


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Jonathan Moore
*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://groups.google <https://groups.google/>.
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?


Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of
2012-2014 generation Zseries workstations but the final g

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Now more than ever I think of OS X and Apple hardware as the luxury end of the 
consumer PC market. There’s so much about OS X that I prefer to Windows but I’m 
also aware that I’m paying an extreme premium for the experience. 

However, It’s been a long time since I’ve considered Apple hardware to be an 
optimal choice for creative professionals per se, never mind 3d professionals. 
The iMac Pro is a lustful piece of consumer electronics for sure but it would 
be a exceptionally odd choice for a 3d professional.

> On 7 Jun 2017, at 12:17, Christopher Crouzet <christopher.crou...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.
> 
> During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only 
> supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it. 
> To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API 
> without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I don't 
> think many developers are willing to write their software using the Metal API 
> to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly small on Mac.
> 
> Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing 
> when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.
> 
> 
> On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl 
> <mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote:
> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
> 
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>  
> <https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/>
> Rob
> 
> \/-\/\/
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit 
>> of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
>> decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today. 
>> 
>> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple 
>> far less painful for us
>> 
>> --
>> ICT Project Manager
>> Digital Arts 
>> Wits School of the Arts
>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za <mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>
>> 011 717 4683
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Stanley Mpofu
>> Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
>> To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; 
>> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho 
>> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest 
>> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
>> Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>> 
>> Colleagues
>> 
>> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as 
>> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and 
>> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I 
>> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Many thanks
>> 
>>  
>> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>> 
>> Chief Information Officer (Wits)
>> 
>> +27117171662
>> 
>> +27733779947
>> 
>> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za <mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>
>> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>> 
>>  
>> PA
>> 
>> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>> 
>> Tel      :+2711 717 1602
>> 
>> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za 
>> <mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>   
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com 
>> <mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com>]
>> Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
>> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list>
>> Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>> 
>> Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
>> interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
>> 
>> MAC
>> 
>>  
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Christopher Crouzet]

Something to consider beyond the hardware is the software.

During the years that I've been using MacOS, Apple often shined at only
supporting outdated OpenGL versions in their OS, or poorly implementing it.
To make things worse, they decided to go their own way with their Metal API
without providing any support for Vulkan (unless I missed something). I
don't think many developers are willing to write their software using the
Metal API to boost rendering performances when the 3D market is fairly
small on Mac.

Surely it's a bit cocky from them to be boasting their graphics marketing
when they seem to be hated by graphics developers.


On 7 June 2017 at 17:37, Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl> wrote:

> One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:
>
> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-
> the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/
>
> Rob
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little
> bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the
> dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.
>
> At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from
> apple far less painful for us
>
> --
> ICT Project Manager
> Digital Arts
> Wits School of the Arts
> angus.david...@wits.ac.za
> 011 717 4683
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Stanley Mpofu
> *Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
> *To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay;
> Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho
> Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest
> Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs
> *Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx
>
> Colleagues
>
> As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as
> well intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and
> the University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I
> have proposed for Wits going forward.
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
>
> *Chief Information Officer (Wits)*
>
> +27117171662
>
> +27733779947
>
> stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za
>
> "Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"
>
>
>
> *PA*
>
> Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
>
> Tel  :+2711 717 1602
>
> Email  :   celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za
>
>
>
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>
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> --
> *From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
> *Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.com/
> forum/#!forum/xsi_list
> *Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
> Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but
> was interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
>
> MAC
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jonathan Moore
> *Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
> *To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google.
> com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?
>
>
>
> Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014
> generation Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is
> that they're built like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less
> risk than many other second hand purchases. The total cost for my three
> Zseries workstations was under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of
> processing power for the budget (96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And
> E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so running costs are very favourable
> for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. Although running 9 GPU’s across
> three workstations for rendering chews through the juice.
>
>
>
> So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better ways
> to spend your cash!  :)
>
>
>
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go for a
> dual processes build.
>
>
>
> Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for GPU
> rendering but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple systems) at
> the right price, you’re get something that performs well both on CPU
> simulations and on GPU rendering duties.
>
>
>

Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Rob Wuijster]

One of the first reviews, and it's not really a glowing one:

https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-still-doesnt-give-the-one-thing-pros-want-06487652/

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 6-6-2017 21:50, Angus Davidson wrote:
Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a 
little bit of after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for 
some of the dumb decisions made in the last two years. Up to and 
including today.


At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from 
apple far less painful for us


--
ICT Project Manager
Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683










*From:* Stanley Mpofu
*Sent:* 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
*To:* Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga 
Pillay; Andrew Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; 
Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James 
Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen Jacobs

*Subject:* Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues

As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic 
direction as well intended service catalogue that will talk to the 
SLAs between ICT and the University. Please respond with comments and 
more ideas around what I have proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB

*Chief Information Officer (Wits)*

+27117171662

+27733779947

stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za <mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>

"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

*PA*

Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs

Tel :+2711 717 1602

Email : celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za 
<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>



*From:* Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
*Sent:* 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list

*Subject:* RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore 
but was interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.


MAC

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Jonathan Moore

*Sent:* June-06-17 3:36 PM
*To:* Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google. 
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

*Subject:* Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 
generation Zseries workstations but the final good points about them 
is that they're built like tanks with top drawer components so they’re 
less risk than many other second hand purchases. The total cost for my 
three Zseries workstations was under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a 
heap of processing power for the budget (96 threads running at 3.1 
Ghz). And E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so running costs are 
very favourable for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. Although 
running 9 GPU’s across three workstations for rendering chews through 
the juice.


So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better 
ways to spend your cash!  :)


On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com
<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote:



As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go
for a dual processes build.

Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for
GPU rendering but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple
systems) at the right price, you’re get something that performs
well both on CPU simulations and on GPU rendering duties.

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf

On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic <ognj...@gmail.com
<mailto:ognj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only
had pcie 2 slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems
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RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Angus Davidson]

Unfortunately Apple has defined pro market to mean , FCP X and a little bit of 
after effects. Its the only reason I can think of for some of the dumb 
decisions made in the last two years. Up to and including today.

At least dell gives decent EDU discounts. Going to make the move from apple far 
less painful for us

--
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Digital Arts
Wits School of the Arts
angus.david...@wits.ac.za
011 717 4683










From: Stanley Mpofu
Sent: 31 May 2017 03:14 PM
To: Collen Rasalanavho; Angus Davidson; Brian Maistry; Shunmuga Pillay; Andrew 
Sam; Tumishi Madihlaba; Donald Dandawa; Bekir Genc; Arinavho Tshifularo; Simon 
Mofokeng; Charl Roberts; Mark Allen; James Mokoka; Ernest Maluleke; Shereen 
Jacobs
Subject: Wits ICT Strategy.pptx

Colleagues
As discussed this morning, Please note the attached strategic direction as well 
intended service catalogue that will talk to the SLAs between ICT and the 
University. Please respond with comments and more ideas around what I have 
proposed for Wits going forward.


Many thanks

Dr Mpofu Mgobansimbi SB
Chief Information Officer (Wits)
+27117171662
+27733779947
stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za<mailto:stanley.mp...@wits.ac.za>
"Lions Don’t Worry About The Opinion Of Sheep"

PA
Celesse-Ann Brandt-Jacobs
Tel  :+2711 717 1602
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celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za<mailto:celesse.brandt-jac...@wits.ac.za>




From: Marc-Andre Carbonneau [marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com]
Sent: 06 June 2017 09:38 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list
Subject: RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
MAC

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
Sent: June-06-17 3:36 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List. https://groups.google. 
com/forum/#!forum/xsi_list <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 generation 
Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is that they're built 
like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less risk than many other 
second hand purchases. The total cost for my three Zseries workstations was 
under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of processing power for the budget 
(96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so 
running costs are very favourable for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. 
Although running 9 GPU’s across three workstations for rendering chews through 
the juice.

So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better ways to 
spend your cash!  :)

On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore 
<jonathan.moo...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go for a dual 
processes build.

Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for GPU rendering 
but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple systems) at the right 
price, you’re get something that performs well both on CPU simulations and on 
GPU rendering duties.

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf


On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic 
<ognj...@gmail.com<mailto:ognj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2 
slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for gpu 
rendering. --
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RE: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

Heheheh thanks everyone. I’m not so much using powerful pcs anymore but was 
interested in getting the low down on these “new” contenders.
MAC

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[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Moore
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Subject: Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 generation 
Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is that they're built 
like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less risk than many other 
second hand purchases. The total cost for my three Zseries workstations was 
under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of processing power for the budget 
(96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so 
running costs are very favourable for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. 
Although running 9 GPU’s across three workstations for rendering chews through 
the juice.

So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better ways to 
spend your cash!  :)

On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore 
<jonathan.moo...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go for a dual 
processes build.

Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for GPU rendering 
but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple systems) at the right 
price, you’re get something that performs well both on CPU simulations and on 
GPU rendering duties.

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf


On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic 
<ognj...@gmail.com<mailto:ognj...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2 
slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for gpu 
rendering. --
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Apologies for this slight digression into the benefits of 2012-2014 generation 
Zseries workstations but the final good points about them is that they're built 
like tanks with top drawer components so they’re less risk than many other 
second hand purchases. The total cost for my three Zseries workstations was 
under £2k (GPU’s on top) so that’s a heap of processing power for the budget 
(96 threads running at 3.1 Ghz). And E5-6670’s are incredibly efficient too so 
running costs are very favourable for typical Houdini/ICE CPU simulations. 
Although running 9 GPU’s across three workstations for rendering chews through 
the juice.

So back to the original point of the iMac Pro. There are far better ways to 
spend your cash!  :)

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:21, Jonathan Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> As you can see plenty of PCIe Gen3 x16 and x8’s as long as you go for a dual 
> processes build.
> 
> Dual E5-2670 based systems won’t best a latest & greatest i7 for GPU 
> rendering but if you pick up a system (or preferably multiple systems) at the 
> right price, you’re get something that performs well both on CPU simulations 
> and on GPU rendering duties.
> 
> http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Ognjen Vukovic > > wrote:
>> 
>> I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2 
>> slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for 
>> gpu rendering. --
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Saeed Kalhor]

With that price I can buy a PC with 2 nVidia GTX 1080 TI + 2TB SSD + 10TB
HDD + a good i7 Cpu + 64Gb of RAM + many other things.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Ognjen Vukovic  wrote:

> I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2
> slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for
> gpu rendering.
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

There are plenty of lanes on both the Z620 and Z840 but you need to use a riser 
to fit the 3rd card. It’s perfectly practical if you don’t mid open cases but 
is better if you customise an outer case to manage dust and maximise airflow.

I picked up my Z workstations for well under £1k each and specifically went for 
E5-2670 CPU’s. These are relatively old but they run at 3.4 Ghz single core and 
all 32 threads run at 3.1 Ghz. They’ve provided fantastic value, and reasonable 
performance even though they’re not Intel’s latest and greatest.

I’m happy to purchase the best of previous generation hardware if I know where 
the workstations were previously used. I advocate self builds too with the 
E5-2670’s seeing as you can still pick up a matched pair for under $200 - this 
is a good guide to the build.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/ 


Buying second hand kit or engaging in self builds isn’t for everybody hence my 
recommendation of leasing, but for those that don’t mind a little risk you can 
put a mini farm together as reasonable cost.

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:25, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:

> I mean the 840 could hold max 2gpus
> 
> 2017-06-06 20:24 GMT+02:00 Olivier Jeannel  >:
> I was told the 820 can hold max 2GPUs. Did you remove the "air tunnel" ?
> Someone on the RS forum couldn't fit 2 cards, he had to let the case open...
> My 620 is full with one TitanZ.
> My next computer will be a big case, so that I can put whatever cards and up 
> to 4.
> 
> 
> 2017-06-06 20:11 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore  >:
> I run three Z series workstations each with three GPU's (2 Z620’s and one 
> Z840 as my main rig). The Z840 has three 1080 Ti’s.
> 
> What’s bad about the Z series workstations with GPU’s? 
> 
> The only things you need to look out for is ensuring you have a strong enough 
> power unit and you pick XEON’s with reasonble single core speed (Redshift is 
> heavily reliant on CPU for memory/asset management). I fitted Z840 power 
> supplies into my Z620’s as they come with 900W supply as standard (enough for 
> 2 GPU’s but three is a stretch).
> 
> Both of the Z620 and Z840’s are reasonably old now but the litmus test for me 
> is that they run Oculus/Vive apps at maximum quality settings so I believe 
> I’ve still got a few more years in my investment.
> 
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:00, Olivier Jeannel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Forget the Z if you're going gpu
>> 
>> 2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore > >:
>> Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a Z 
>> series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement where 
>> you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly agreement.
>> 
>> I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded the 
>> family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury but a 
>> wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the older 
>> models get recycled through the family.
>> 
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very 
>>> difficult repair/replace curve.
>>> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, with 
>>> the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Ognjen Vukovic]

I thought those z workstations had pretty old mobos. They only had pcie 2
slots. And at 8x or somthing like that which seems quite unremarkable for
gpu rendering.
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Nono]

WTF, ATI gpu ?! again...

On 6 June 2017 at 20:25, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:

> I mean the* 840* could hold max 2gpus
>
> 2017-06-06 20:24 GMT+02:00 Olivier Jeannel :
>
>> I was told the 820 can hold max 2GPUs. Did you remove the "air tunnel" ?
>> Someone on the RS forum couldn't fit 2 cards, he had to let the case
>> open...
>> My 620 is full with one TitanZ.
>> My next computer will be a big case, so that I can put whatever cards and
>> up to 4.
>>
>>
>> 2017-06-06 20:11 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :
>>
>>> I run three Z series workstations each with three GPU's (2 Z620’s and
>>> one Z840 as my main rig). The Z840 has three 1080 Ti’s.
>>>
>>> What’s bad about the Z series workstations with GPU’s?
>>>
>>> The only things you need to look out for is ensuring you have a strong
>>> enough power unit and you pick XEON’s with reasonble single core speed
>>> (Redshift is heavily reliant on CPU for memory/asset management). I fitted
>>> Z840 power supplies into my Z620’s as they come with 900W supply as
>>> standard (enough for 2 GPU’s but three is a stretch).
>>>
>>> Both of the Z620 and Z840’s are reasonably old now but the litmus test
>>> for me is that they run Oculus/Vive apps at maximum quality settings so I
>>> believe I’ve still got a few more years in my investment.
>>>
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:00, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:
>>>
>>> Forget the Z if you're going gpu
>>>
>>> 2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :
>>>
 Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a
 Z series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement
 where you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly
 agreement.

 I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded
 the family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury
 but a wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the
 older models get recycled through the family.

 On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster  wrote:

 It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very
 difficult repair/replace curve.
 I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike,
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I mean the* 840* could hold max 2gpus

2017-06-06 20:24 GMT+02:00 Olivier Jeannel :

> I was told the 820 can hold max 2GPUs. Did you remove the "air tunnel" ?
> Someone on the RS forum couldn't fit 2 cards, he had to let the case
> open...
> My 620 is full with one TitanZ.
> My next computer will be a big case, so that I can put whatever cards and
> up to 4.
>
>
> 2017-06-06 20:11 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :
>
>> I run three Z series workstations each with three GPU's (2 Z620’s and one
>> Z840 as my main rig). The Z840 has three 1080 Ti’s.
>>
>> What’s bad about the Z series workstations with GPU’s?
>>
>> The only things you need to look out for is ensuring you have a strong
>> enough power unit and you pick XEON’s with reasonble single core speed
>> (Redshift is heavily reliant on CPU for memory/asset management). I fitted
>> Z840 power supplies into my Z620’s as they come with 900W supply as
>> standard (enough for 2 GPU’s but three is a stretch).
>>
>> Both of the Z620 and Z840’s are reasonably old now but the litmus test
>> for me is that they run Oculus/Vive apps at maximum quality settings so I
>> believe I’ve still got a few more years in my investment.
>>
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:00, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:
>>
>> Forget the Z if you're going gpu
>>
>> 2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :
>>
>>> Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a
>>> Z series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement
>>> where you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly
>>> agreement.
>>>
>>> I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded
>>> the family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury
>>> but a wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the
>>> older models get recycled through the family.
>>>
>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
>>>
>>> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very
>>> difficult repair/replace curve.
>>> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike,
>>> with the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
>>>
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[Olivier Jeannel]

I was told the 820 can hold max 2GPUs. Did you remove the "air tunnel" ?
Someone on the RS forum couldn't fit 2 cards, he had to let the case open...
My 620 is full with one TitanZ.
My next computer will be a big case, so that I can put whatever cards and
up to 4.


2017-06-06 20:11 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :

> I run three Z series workstations each with three GPU's (2 Z620’s and one
> Z840 as my main rig). The Z840 has three 1080 Ti’s.
>
> What’s bad about the Z series workstations with GPU’s?
>
> The only things you need to look out for is ensuring you have a strong
> enough power unit and you pick XEON’s with reasonble single core speed
> (Redshift is heavily reliant on CPU for memory/asset management). I fitted
> Z840 power supplies into my Z620’s as they come with 900W supply as
> standard (enough for 2 GPU’s but three is a stretch).
>
> Both of the Z620 and Z840’s are reasonably old now but the litmus test for
> me is that they run Oculus/Vive apps at maximum quality settings so I
> believe I’ve still got a few more years in my investment.
>
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:00, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:
>
> Forget the Z if you're going gpu
>
> 2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :
>
>> Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a Z
>> series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement where
>> you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly agreement.
>>
>> I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded the
>> family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury but
>> a wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the
>> older models get recycled through the family.
>>
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
>>
>> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very
>> difficult repair/replace curve.
>> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, with
>> the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
>>
>>
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[Jonathan Moore]

I run three Z series workstations each with three GPU's (2 Z620’s and one Z840 
as my main rig). The Z840 has three 1080 Ti’s.

What’s bad about the Z series workstations with GPU’s? 

The only things you need to look out for is ensuring you have a strong enough 
power unit and you pick XEON’s with reasonble single core speed (Redshift is 
heavily reliant on CPU for memory/asset management). I fitted Z840 power 
supplies into my Z620’s as they come with 900W supply as standard (enough for 2 
GPU’s but three is a stretch).

Both of the Z620 and Z840’s are reasonably old now but the litmus test for me 
is that they run Oculus/Vive apps at maximum quality settings so I believe I’ve 
still got a few more years in my investment.

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:00, Olivier Jeannel  wrote:
> 
> Forget the Z if you're going gpu
> 
> 2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore  >:
> Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a Z 
> series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement where 
> you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly agreement.
> 
> I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded the 
> family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury but a 
> wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the older 
> models get recycled through the family.
> 
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster > > wrote:
>> 
>> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very 
>> difficult repair/replace curve.
>> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, with 
>> the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
>> 
>> 
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[Olivier Jeannel]

Forget the Z if you're going gpu

2017-06-06 19:57 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Moore :

> Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a Z
> series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement where
> you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly agreement.
>
> I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded the
> family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury but
> a wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the
> older models get recycled through the family.
>
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
>
> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very
> difficult repair/replace curve.
> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, with
> the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
>
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Jonathan Moore]

Agree with Rob. For a comparable budget, you’re far better going with a Z 
series workstation from HP. Even better get into a lease arrangement where 
you’re guaranteed the latest hardware for a manageable monthly agreement.

I’ll probably pick up a 27” iMac for family use though. I’ve upgraded the 
family iMac every 24/36 months since 2011. They’re an expensive luxury but a 
wonderful piece of kit for general household computing needs. And the older 
models get recycled through the family.

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Rob Wuijster  wrote:
> 
> It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very 
> difficult repair/replace curve.
> I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, with the 
> possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.
> 
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Re: New iMac Pro? Yay or Nay?

[Rob Wuijster]

It has a bunch of impressive specs, but it's a closed box with a very 
difficult repair/replace curve.
I rather spend that money on a nice HP workstation or alike, 
with the possibility of changing/adding parts once in a while.



Rob

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On 6-6-2017 16:00, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Like every other mac thing in history of macs and 3d. Overpriced and 
not too good for that line of work

ᐧ

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
> wrote:


Hey guys,

What do you think of the newly announced iMac Pro coming this
December?

https://www.apple.com/imac-pro/ 

They’re reaching out to 3D artists and to highly computer
intensive users.

What about what you get for the price tag?

MAC


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[Ed Manning]

No nVidia, no CUDA, so no go.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic 
wrote:

> Like every other mac thing in history of macs and 3d. Overpriced and not
> too good for that line of work
> ᐧ
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau <
> marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> What do you think of the newly announced iMac Pro coming this December?
>>
>> https://www.apple.com/imac-pro/
>>
>>
>>
>> They’re reaching out to 3D artists and to highly computer intensive users.
>>
>>
>>
>> What about what you get for the price tag?
>>
>> MAC
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[Mirko Jankovic]

Like every other mac thing in history of macs and 3d. Overpriced and not
too good for that line of work
ᐧ

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marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> What do you think of the newly announced iMac Pro coming this December?
>
> https://www.apple.com/imac-pro/
>
>
>
> They’re reaching out to 3D artists and to highly computer intensive users.
>
>
>
> What about what you get for the price tag?
>
> MAC
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