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Unit testing please, as well. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:28 PM, jo benayoun jobenay...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has this shiny side I don't like and do definitively less than an emacs or cie, its the perfect tool to develop snippets and little tools tho ... What a good IDE should have: - a good code editor - an awesome project manager - an amazing debugger - a without-effort integrated build environment IMHO, Sublime fails on the last 3 points. When is coming the time to develop serious stuff and packages in python, no doubts, Eclipse is the only valid choice to me ! I guess, the most important is just you feel comfortable with your choice and super-productive ... I find often myself more confortable to write in the notepad app than in a code editor ... - jo 2012/5/31 Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com Thanks Alan, I'm sold! I was using Komodo, however I just do the odd script here and there so this suits my needs better I think. It's great that it's available on Linux also. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work? -- -- Michal http://uk.linkedin.com/in/mdoniec
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On a related note, this Kickstarter project looks interesting: Light Table http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table I especially like the section at the end, where it shows related functions... -Tim C. On 5/31/2012 12:28 PM, jo benayoun wrote: Sublime has this shiny side I don't like and do definitively less than an emacs or cie, its the perfect tool to develop snippets and little tools tho ... What a good IDE should have: - a good code editor - an awesome project manager - an amazing debugger - a without-effort integrated build environment IMHO, Sublime fails on the last 3 points. When is coming the time to develop serious stuff and packages in python, no doubts, Eclipse is the only valid choice to me ! I guess, the most important is just you feel comfortable with your choice and super-productive ... I find often myself more confortable to write in the notepad app than in a code editor ... - jo 2012/5/31 Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com mailto:danyarg...@gmail.com Thanks Alan, I'm sold! I was using Komodo, however I just do the odd script here and there so this suits my needs better I think. It's great that it's available on Linux also. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com mailto:gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work? --
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Awesome Alan, that is a very nice presentation, and btw this '~' this is called tilde. -Original Message- From: Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com Sent 5/29/2012 9:58:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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See what happens when you force me to use eclipse? It feels clunky and bloated. The ones that left were weak anyway... only the strong survive! Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Please don't get Eric started on Sublime VS Eclipse + pyDev. We had people leaving the project and the company in tears for asking about text editors in his vicinity.
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I know what you mean and I'm afraid not. Nobody's made one yet. Some handy tips though: * ctrl+r to cycle through functions in the current file * if you install SublimeCodeIntel, alt+click on a function and it should find the relevant file and pop it open to the line with that function declaration. * ctrl+p to cycle through open files Of course like everything that pops up the command panel, autocomplete is built-in and works great. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, is there any package in Sublime to list all the class/methods in an explorer a la Eclipse Outline view ? On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier
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Thanks Alan, I'm sold! I was using Komodo, however I just do the odd script here and there so this suits my needs better I think. It's great that it's available on Linux also. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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Thanks Alan, I didn't know the ctrl+r shortcut, very handy! I really like Sublime, but you know, when some needed features are missing you can't use it all the time and you don't practice muscle memories for it :). I played with Sublime a couple of days last month but couldn't find a good integrated C++ debugger like in Eclipse or Visual Studio. I tried SublimeGDB but it was not looking like a finished package. But for any Python work I should give Sublime a new chance! (and yes Eclipse is ugly and slow compared to Sublime ;) ) Cheers, Guillaume From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Alan Fregtman [alan.fregt...@gmail.com] Sent: May 31, 2012 7:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE I know what you mean and I'm afraid not. Nobody's made one yet. Some handy tips though: * ctrl+r to cycle through functions in the current file * if you install SublimeCodeIntel, alt+click on a function and it should find the relevant file and pop it open to the line with that function declaration. * ctrl+p to cycle through open files Of course like everything that pops up the command panel, autocomplete is built-in and works great. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, is there any package in Sublime to list all the class/methods in an explorer a la Eclipse Outline view ? On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.commailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.commailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.commailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier attachment: winmail.dat
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Sublime has this shiny side I don't like and do definitively less than an emacs or cie, its the perfect tool to develop snippets and little tools tho ... What a good IDE should have: - a good code editor - an awesome project manager - an amazing debugger - a without-effort integrated build environment IMHO, Sublime fails on the last 3 points. When is coming the time to develop serious stuff and packages in python, no doubts, Eclipse is the only valid choice to me ! I guess, the most important is just you feel comfortable with your choice and super-productive ... I find often myself more confortable to write in the notepad app than in a code editor ... - jo 2012/5/31 Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com Thanks Alan, I'm sold! I was using Komodo, however I just do the odd script here and there so this suits my needs better I think. It's great that it's available on Linux also. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.com wrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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I use Eclipse, did quite big projects (1000s of lines of code) in it. Really happy with it, it has everything I need. Visual Studio is all right, but lacks lint integration and even simple code pre-procesing for python (no checking for unused variables, etc). There is a plugin in the works which is supposed to provide these features, but it has been in limbo for a year now. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Ben Rogall xsi_l...@shaders.moederogall.com wrote: I like it, probably because I'm used to the Visual Studio environment. I haven't used it for Softimage though. On 5/29/2012 12:39 PM, Marc-Andre Belzile wrote: Did anyone try the VS2010 python IDE ? http://ironpython.net/tools/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Xavier Lapointe Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforgeguillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointexl.mailingl...@gmail.commailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforgeguillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhialok.gandhi2...@gmail.commailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier -- -- Michal http://uk.linkedin.com/in/mdoniec
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Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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nice! Thanks for the demo :) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Screencast.com cut me off for eating the free monthly limit of 2GB, lol. Just put the video on my blog thanks to Vimeo: http://darkvertex.com/wp/2012/05/30/i-love-sublimetext2/ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work? -- -=T=-
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I keep a Plugin Manager open and the Script Editor open to the file of my plugin. I write to it outside of SI, save and when I switch back XSI detects it changed and reloads the plugin. I try using it, find a bug, rinse, repeat... Pretty rudimentary but it works. Oh, and the best general code editor in this corner of the universe as far as I'm concerned: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Leo Quensel le...@gmx.de wrote: Hey guys, I am trying to find out how to properly develop python scripts using an external IDE. In Maya this works pretty well by using the mayapy.exe as the interpreter and enables code completion for Maya commands in Eclipse. Is there any way to do this for Soft? How is everyone doing (Python) script development? Cheers, Leo -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a
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Yeah what Alan said. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: I keep a Plugin Manager open and the Script Editor open to the file of my plugin. I write to it outside of SI, save and when I switch back XSI detects it changed and reloads the plugin. I try using it, find a bug, rinse, repeat... Pretty rudimentary but it works. Oh, and the best general code editor in this corner of the universe as far as I'm concerned: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Leo Quensel le...@gmx.de wrote: Hey guys, I am trying to find out how to properly develop python scripts using an external IDE. In Maya this works pretty well by using the mayapy.exe as the interpreter and enables code completion for Maya commands in Eclipse. Is there any way to do this for Soft? How is everyone doing (Python) script development? Cheers, Leo -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a
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Erratum: The link I sent is not about codeintel directly but the new syntax checker, just had this name in mind, hehe. Anyway syntax checker and https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel/https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel/tree/master/libs are pretty convenient. 2012/5/29 Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com As far as I know code completion is not available for various reason out of the box, but you could probably generate codeintel files for Komodo (and maybe this is also compatible with Sublime) http://www.activestate.com/blog/2012/02/diving-deep-komodos-syntax-checker (Not sure you want to go down that path tho) The raw setup would be to enable auto-reload in the Softimage Script Editor and set your IDE to the same settings as Soft's (4 spaces tab, replace tab with spaces, etc -- avoiding weird behavior if for any reason you want to do a quick edit in Soft directly). You could also point to your external IDE with the proper path in the preferences. .. and as I'm writting these lines, I just saw Alan's answer, so yes, same as him too (: Cheers 2012/5/29 Leo Quensel le...@gmx.de Hey guys, I am trying to find out how to properly develop python scripts using an external IDE. In Maya this works pretty well by using the mayapy.exe as the interpreter and enables code completion for Maya commands in Eclipse. Is there any way to do this for Soft? How is everyone doing (Python) script development? Cheers, Leo -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a -- Xavier -- Xavier
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Thanks guys! Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:48:15 -0400 Von: Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com An: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Betreff: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE Erratum: The link I sent is not about codeintel directly but the new syntax checker, just had this name in mind, hehe. Anyway syntax checker and https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel/https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel/tree/master/libs are pretty convenient. 2012/5/29 Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com As far as I know code completion is not available for various reason out of the box, but you could probably generate codeintel files for Komodo (and maybe this is also compatible with Sublime) http://www.activestate.com/blog/2012/02/diving-deep-komodos-syntax-checker (Not sure you want to go down that path tho) The raw setup would be to enable auto-reload in the Softimage Script Editor and set your IDE to the same settings as Soft's (4 spaces tab, replace tab with spaces, etc -- avoiding weird behavior if for any reason you want to do a quick edit in Soft directly). You could also point to your external IDE with the proper path in the preferences. .. and as I'm writting these lines, I just saw Alan's answer, so yes, same as him too (: Cheers 2012/5/29 Leo Quensel le...@gmx.de Hey guys, I am trying to find out how to properly develop python scripts using an external IDE. In Maya this works pretty well by using the mayapy.exe as the interpreter and enables code completion for Maya commands in Eclipse. Is there any way to do this for Soft? How is everyone doing (Python) script development? Cheers, Leo -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a -- Xavier -- Xavier -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
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I use Komodo, in XSI I wrote a script to reload the plugin/plugins that ways you don't have to keep plugin manager open. I edit the code in komodo and just run the script. I run the script from script editor but you can also conveniently put it under a button on a shelf or toolbar. You can specify multiple plugins to reload in the script. Here is the script: import os PLUGINS_TO_RELOAD = ['you_plugin_file1.py', 'you_plugin_file2.py'] plugins = Application.Plugins for p in plugins: pluginFileName = p.Filename pluginName = os.path.basename(pluginFileName) if pluginName in PLUGINS_TO_RELOAD: Application.UnloadPlugin(pluginFileName) Application.LoadPlugin(pluginFileName) --
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Oh, and the best general code editor in this corner of the universe as far as I'm concerned: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 Thanks Alan, I'm loving the look of some of those features!
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Sublime has changed my life. I'm glad Alan got me on board. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and the best general code editor in this corner of the universe as far as I'm concerned: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 Thanks Alan, I'm loving the look of some of those features!
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+1 for SublimeText + Miquel Campos Character Animation TD at: www.shedmtl.com Personal web: www.akaosaru.com + 2012/5/29 Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com Sublime has changed my life. I'm glad Alan got me on board. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and the best general code editor in this corner of the universe as far as I'm concerned: http://www.sublimetext.com/2 Thanks Alan, I'm loving the look of some of those features!
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It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.comwrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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I like Sublime, but it is just a text editor. For python projects using several modules, I prefer an IDE like Eclipse + PyDev. Cheers, Guillaume Laforge On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.comwrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
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Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE.
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As I said I do not use sublime so I am not really in a position to do a comprehensive critique. For me a text editor will always be a different entity than an IDE, I am happy with Komodo so far. Another important thing is that, if you are working in a dev team than code sharing, collobration and version controls bocome important. Most of the IDE's (Eclipse, Komodo, Visual Studio) provide extentions/addons to push/pull code directly with the repositories, which also is not possible through text editors.
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Sublime is better than just a text editor. It has a concept of packages, which are best managed with Package Control: http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control Among the packages available are several implementations of git and svn addons, and many other cool things as Xavier has pointed out. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.comwrote: As I said I do not use sublime so I am not really in a position to do a comprehensive critique. For me a text editor will always be a different entity than an IDE, I am happy with Komodo so far. Another important thing is that, if you are working in a dev team than code sharing, collobration and version controls bocome important. Most of the IDE's (Eclipse, Komodo, Visual Studio) provide extentions/addons to push/pull code directly with the repositories, which also is not possible through text editors.
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Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier
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Did anyone try the VS2010 python IDE ? http://ironpython.net/tools/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Xavier Lapointe Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointe xl.mailingl...@gmail.commailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.commailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier attachment: winmail.dat
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I like it, probably because I'm used to the Visual Studio environment. I haven't used it for Softimage though. On 5/29/2012 12:39 PM, Marc-Andre Belzile wrote: Did anyone try the VS2010 python IDE ? http://ironpython.net/tools/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Xavier Lapointe Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Scripting Development with an external IDE Sweet (: Make sure to install Package Control (the link Alan sent), they are all in there. 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforgeguillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Thanks for the link Xavier :), I will give it a try ! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Xavier Lapointexl.mailingl...@gmail.commailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote: https://github.com/Kronuz/SublimeCodeIntel does this for you, but maybe it's not as good as PyDev ... not sure. But yes, the Python Debugger is a missing point. There's one I've seen in the Package Control called SublimeXDebug https://github.com/Kindari/SublimeXdebug, but it's probably not as good as PyDev or Komodo (i remember we could visually inspect the Python stack). This guy has a good amount of package that you can install to enhance the Sublime: https://github.com/Kronuz Cheers 2012/5/29 Guillaume Laforgeguillaume.laforge...@gmail.commailto:guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com Did you find any good python debugger package for Sublime ? For me it is the missing point, but maybe I didn't search correctly ? Also the auto-completion is cool but doesn't search for imported modules and doesn't filter methods on instantiated objects:-/ All those stuffs are standard in Eclipse/PyDev. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Alok Gandhialok.gandhi2...@gmail.commailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime has tons of autocompletion feature, for example in one stroke you generate code for a class with all the necessary function like __init__. You can do multiline edit with just one change. If you have a variable 'foo' in used in multilines of your code, you can change it at one place and all the other occurrences gets updated. There is a whole gamut of color coding with infinite color combinations. You can define your own color coding. There are just few of the features. I can not do much justice to it as I personally do not use it a lot, but I always hear great things about it. May be others can fill you on in this. But remember that sublime is only a text editor, not an IDE. -- Xavier -- Xavier
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Please don't get Eric started on Sublime VS Eclipse + pyDev. We had people leaving the project and the company in tears for asking about text editors in his vicinity. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Guillaume Laforge guillaume.laforge...@gmail.com wrote: I like Sublime, but it is just a text editor. For python projects using several modules, I prefer an IDE like Eclipse + PyDev. Cheers, Guillaume Laforge On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work? -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Recorded a little video running down through some Sublime features: http://www.screencast.com/t/0KEX9gW0 My apologies for uhms, ehhs and ocassional ranting. This is what happens when you record straight ahead. :p By the way, while it is a commercial product, you can try it out for as long as you wish with all features; it just nags once every so many file saves. Go try! http://www.sublimetext.com/2 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: It's good for everyone, projects big or small. The multi-select tricks in particular are like pure witchcraft. I'll make a video capture showing some of the cool stuff later when I get home. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: what is so good about it? will it help me on my very narrow PY developments, or is it only good for thousands of lines type of work?
