Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Leydecker]

Oh,

I forgot to mention:

The Foundry offers an educational license for Nuke Studio which has a 
few restrictions
but is a great start to get into Nuke compositing without watermarks in 
HD1920,
no student ID required just a bit of honesty in terms of not trying to 
use it on commercial jobs.


Alternatively, similar, Blackmagic Fusion. Both are wonderful options to 
get started.


I have both installed at home, it´s awesome to have when re-comping 
shots for your reel imho.
(I don´t do finishing of commercial jobs at home but i spent a lot of 
time in front of that screen...)


Houdini can be accessed at a reasonable price for learning (around 
200$?), that´s
actually a very tempting deal because Houdini artists are very, very 
sought after and
a good Houdini artist can ask significantly more than the average 3d 
artist.
Learning Houdini is actually a very good career choice. Until everybody 
does it :-)


The Adobe Photoshop accessibility options are general knowledge now, 
monthly subscription stuff.
Nagging cloud log-in. Not a permanent license, just a subscription to 
temporary access...


Blender. I`d go with Blender nowadays if i were a kid. Had a teen intern 
show me what "old guy"

feels like just recently. Never managed to shake the feeling since...

Cheers,

tim













Am 17.09.2015 um 07:47 schrieb Tim Leydecker:
When I was in university, offerings for educational licenses were just 
starting

to become available. Not free but almost at a student´s budget price tag.

Today, Autodesk offers a great many (if not all?) of it´s applications as
a free download for educational use.

I know two people that have access to these licenses, one is/was 
teaching 3D classes part-time,
the other got elligible when losing his job and getting a state funded 
job orientation kind of class.


It might be worth checking out if you are eligible by enrolling into 
something like an online course?


I do remember watching a promo/intro video for one of the 3D 
Tutorial/online class providers
and they were saying exactly that, they are accredited with Autodesk 
which grants their students

educational access to Autodesk or Foundry software.

That´s as good as it can get?

Cheers,

tim






Am 17.09.2015 um 05:33 schrieb Tenshi .:
If i only have that money which people in general DON'T... so, this 
is a bad move again by AD. They can do so much better. :)



On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Stefan Kubicek > wrote:


That's exactly how I got my license too.

And: I don't remember the original price of Softimage standalone,
but $3700.- for Maya/Max + Softimage is the same as for Maya/Max
only?
At least in the EU I don't think it has ever been much cheaper?

Not that it's incredibly cheap to begin with, but 2 packages for
the price of one doesn't sound like that bad a deal to me.




I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced
intricacies
but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license
ownership to me.

The process involved a signed document of the previous owner,
basically
transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a
helpful reseller
making that transfer happen with Autodesk.

If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee
but that was dropped
in favour of me directly buying subscription support to
"help" the transfer process.

It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the
Autodesk database to merge
multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in
the end, it all worked out.

The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had
to get back to the
original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that
was it.

--

Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a
Maya+Softimage bundle
instead of insisting on just the Softimage license. Or a 3DS
Max+Softimage bundle.

There is a good chance things change in the future and it
seems wise to brace for
that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade
or crossgrade option
is readily available?

4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising
across the board a while back.
I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s
usage cost me roughly $2000 then.

That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone
look into the general pricing scheme
of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would
feel better to have to shell out
as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues.

It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or
burried in a license eventually needed.

Myself, I wish 

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Patrick Neese]

Only if you bought a network license...i being a hobbyist, read not making
profit and working solo, didnt know about the differences, i recall being
told by a reseller on the phone just before purchase it came with batch
licenses...it does...just for processing. Also paying 3k+ to begin with was
tough and the network license wasn't even mentioned by my reseller when i
said i wanted to buy xsi. My reseller also told me i could use softimage on
a work computer and mobile/home computer...'so you really get two licenses'
or whatever his exact wording was *buzzer sound* wrong. if you read the
eula...you can install on two...but cant render/use them at the same time.
My buying experience wasn't fun.  I felt like i never had to jump through
so many hoops to find someone to hand thousands of dollars to for anything,
need less get a digital license key some kid in his basement could
generate.  Prior to knowing this info about the network license I decided
to get the entertainment bundle upgrade because with the softimage discount
and entertainment upgrade discount i was getting everything for the price
of softimage and mudbox...talked myself into paying a little cc interest
for stretching paying it off.  Which mudbox turned out to be...not worth
the money, imho.  This is the most expensive purchase for a hobby and
fourth highest purchase I had ever made at that point.

Turns out that "great" cross grade/upgrade meant I couldn't upgrade just
softimage later, when i was informed of the difference in licenses (its not
just for studios with x number of users).  i now needed to now buy a
network upgrade for the entire entertainment bundle, no longer on sale. not
just a softimage upgrade.  Oh, the fun licensing stuff you arent aware of
until you need/want something. Just like when I was informed by a reseller
years earlier that if i bought the educational version  (prior to ad making
everthing free to students) i could upgrade to retail for much lessthis
was also incorrect. Resellers really know their stuff huh... There was no
upgrade path for softimage at that time.  Maya and max sure...not softimage.

So anyway...now here i was...months after i bought softimage, after my
original edu purchase of a perpetual edu license had already stopped
working (the dongle died a third time and now ad owned softimage and didnt
support the dongle), having the seperate edu upgrade issue,  the eol notice
and the information that i would need to pay 3k or something to get 5
render licenses for an eol product.  It felt insane...because i knew at
that very moment somewhere in the world...someone was illegally
downloading/using softimage and having a better experience.

Which alway makes me think...i should learn blender...then i try using
blender and remember how bad the ui sucks. Then i remember that AD didnt
come up with softimage...and now its dead because of them and their years
of uninteresting features. Then i want a drink.

If only i had 35 million to offer to buy softimage from ad.  Can we not
kickstart that?

In the end even if i could upgrade just softimage to networm...i dont think
i can justify giving more money to a company that i feel has left me and
many others high and dry through their actions or the reseller process or
the cs processes they choose to use.  Which is why i would love to be able
to transfer licenses and pay just the original owner...but us laws around
IP are at times insane.
On Sep 16, 2015 2:37 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:

> doesn’t a Softimage license come with 5 or so batch licenses - or was this
> changed at some point?
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Neese <patrickne...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:23 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?
>
> As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
> worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
> machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
> trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
> ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
> the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
> allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the 2014
> LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)
>

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tenshi .]

I was wondering, "What if" i tried to do some personal work with an illegal
softimage license for a product that is dead? Does AD police come to my
house? Or let's say..AD would not worry about it because they don't believe
in the "power" of Softimage, or i'm only in trouble if i use it for
commercial purposes?  Can at least AD let us use it for personal purposes
or reels for example? (yes i know there's a student version). But.. "what
if".  just saying..

Besides this whole situation THEY created is a disproportional mess from
every angle, at least they can try to open their bank account for a..
$1500+ new perpetual license? I can't die without getting one.. is just
that paying $3500+ for something i will not use, damn... are companies this
days are playing "take it or leave it" ?

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Patrick Neese <patrickne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Only if you bought a network license...i being a hobbyist, read not making
> profit and working solo, didnt know about the differences, i recall being
> told by a reseller on the phone just before purchase it came with batch
> licenses...it does...just for processing. Also paying 3k+ to begin with was
> tough and the network license wasn't even mentioned by my reseller when i
> said i wanted to buy xsi. My reseller also told me i could use softimage on
> a work computer and mobile/home computer...'so you really get two licenses'
> or whatever his exact wording was *buzzer sound* wrong. if you read the
> eula...you can install on two...but cant render/use them at the same time.
> My buying experience wasn't fun.  I felt like i never had to jump through
> so many hoops to find someone to hand thousands of dollars to for anything,
> need less get a digital license key some kid in his basement could
> generate.  Prior to knowing this info about the network license I decided
> to get the entertainment bundle upgrade because with the softimage discount
> and entertainment upgrade discount i was getting everything for the price
> of softimage and mudbox...talked myself into paying a little cc interest
> for stretching paying it off.  Which mudbox turned out to be...not worth
> the money, imho.  This is the most expensive purchase for a hobby and
> fourth highest purchase I had ever made at that point.
>
> Turns out that "great" cross grade/upgrade meant I couldn't upgrade just
> softimage later, when i was informed of the difference in licenses (its not
> just for studios with x number of users).  i now needed to now buy a
> network upgrade for the entire entertainment bundle, no longer on sale. not
> just a softimage upgrade.  Oh, the fun licensing stuff you arent aware of
> until you need/want something. Just like when I was informed by a reseller
> years earlier that if i bought the educational version  (prior to ad making
> everthing free to students) i could upgrade to retail for much lessthis
> was also incorrect. Resellers really know their stuff huh... There was no
> upgrade path for softimage at that time.  Maya and max sure...not softimage.
>
> So anyway...now here i was...months after i bought softimage, after my
> original edu purchase of a perpetual edu license had already stopped
> working (the dongle died a third time and now ad owned softimage and didnt
> support the dongle), having the seperate edu upgrade issue,  the eol notice
> and the information that i would need to pay 3k or something to get 5
> render licenses for an eol product.  It felt insane...because i knew at
> that very moment somewhere in the world...someone was illegally
> downloading/using softimage and having a better experience.
>
> Which alway makes me think...i should learn blender...then i try using
> blender and remember how bad the ui sucks. Then i remember that AD didnt
> come up with softimage...and now its dead because of them and their years
> of uninteresting features. Then i want a drink.
>
> If only i had 35 million to offer to buy softimage from ad.  Can we not
> kickstart that?
>
> In the end even if i could upgrade just softimage to networm...i dont
> think i can justify giving more money to a company that i feel has left me
> and many others high and dry through their actions or the reseller process
> or the cs processes they choose to use.  Which is why i would love to be
> able to transfer licenses and pay just the original owner...but us laws
> around IP are at times insane.
> On Sep 16, 2015 2:37 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:
>
>> doesn’t a Softimage license come with 5 or so batch licenses - or was
>> this changed at some point?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Patrick Neese <patrickne...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:23 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.au

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Eric Turman]

I hear you Tenshi. I'll answer your question with another question:
"Question: Where does and 800 pound gorilla sit?  Answer: anywhere it damn
well pleases."

With Autodesk owning such a grossly disproportionate percentage of the
market that one could contend borders on monopolistic and having used what
could be argued as smacking of predacious practices to achieve their
caustic cartel, they are more like an 800 ton gorilla. They have the money
and power to do pretty much anything they want. From a business standpoint,
i'm confident that it doesn't make sense for them to repay the loyalty of
the Softimage community; especially since that loyalty lay with the an EOL
IP and not with Autodesk themselves. Such an out-of-character, altruistic
gesture as bestowing the benefit of a $1500 "farewell" Soft license
would--apart from the prohibitive cost of disentangling their license from
Maya/Max--be counter to their their goals, damage immediate bottom line.
and surely would upset their board of directors.

Several months back I was listening to an audiobook while commuting to work
and the author was explaining that Progressive Corporation (insurance)
turns potential customers away to their competitors sites in order to
eliminate higher risk customers that are less-than-desirable from their
portfolio. It would not surprise me at all if Autodesk was employing a
similar tactic with the Soft user base. While this is a logical prospect it
is, however, pure conjecture.

On the bright side, there seem to be promising developments in packages
such as Houdini and frameworks like Fabric.


Cheers
-=Eric

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will
float by.”― Sun Tzu


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Tenshi .  wrote:

> I was wondering, "What if" i tried to do some personal work with an
> illegal softimage license for a product that is dead? Does AD police come
> to my house? Or let's say..AD would not worry about it because they don't
> believe in the "power" of Softimage, or i'm only in trouble if i use it for
> commercial purposes?  Can at least AD let us use it for personal purposes
> or reels for example? (yes i know there's a student version). But.. "what
> if".  just saying..
>
> Besides this whole situation THEY created is a disproportional mess from
> every angle, at least they can try to open their bank account for a..
> $1500+ new perpetual license? I can't die without getting one.. is just
> that paying $3500+ for something i will not use, damn... are companies this
> days are playing "take it or leave it" ?
>
>
>
-- 




-=T=-

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Patrick Neese]

pgrade to retail for much lessthis
>> was also incorrect. Resellers really know their stuff huh... There was no
>> upgrade path for softimage at that time.  Maya and max sure...not softimage.
>>
>> So anyway...now here i was...months after i bought softimage, after my
>> original edu purchase of a perpetual edu license had already stopped
>> working (the dongle died a third time and now ad owned softimage and didnt
>> support the dongle), having the seperate edu upgrade issue,  the eol notice
>> and the information that i would need to pay 3k or something to get 5
>> render licenses for an eol product.  It felt insane...because i knew at
>> that very moment somewhere in the world...someone was illegally
>> downloading/using softimage and having a better experience.
>>
>> Which alway makes me think...i should learn blender...then i try using
>> blender and remember how bad the ui sucks. Then i remember that AD didnt
>> come up with softimage...and now its dead because of them and their years
>> of uninteresting features. Then i want a drink.
>>
>> If only i had 35 million to offer to buy softimage from ad.  Can we not
>> kickstart that?
>>
>> In the end even if i could upgrade just softimage to networm...i dont
>> think i can justify giving more money to a company that i feel has left me
>> and many others high and dry through their actions or the reseller process
>> or the cs processes they choose to use.  Which is why i would love to be
>> able to transfer licenses and pay just the original owner...but us laws
>> around IP are at times insane.
>> On Sep 16, 2015 2:37 AM, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:
>>
>>> doesn’t a Softimage license come with 5 or so batch licenses - or was
>>> this changed at some point?
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Patrick Neese <patrickne...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:23 PM
>>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?
>>>
>>> As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
>>> worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
>>> machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
>>> trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
>>> ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
>>> the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
>>> allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the
>>> 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)
>>>
>>
>

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Leydecker]

I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced intricacies
but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license ownership 
to me.


The process involved a signed document of the previous owner, basically
transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a helpful reseller
making that transfer happen with Autodesk.

If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee but that was 
dropped
in favour of me directly buying subscription support to "help" the 
transfer process.


It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the Autodesk database 
to merge
multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in the end, 
it all worked out.


The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had to get back 
to the

original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that was it.

--

Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a 
Maya+Softimage bundle
instead of insisting on just the Softimage license. Or a 3DS 
Max+Softimage bundle.


There is a good chance things change in the future and it seems wise to 
brace for
that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade or 
crossgrade option

is readily available?

4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising across the 
board a while back.
I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s usage cost 
me roughly $2000 then.


That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone look into 
the general pricing scheme
of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would feel 
better to have to shell out

as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues.

It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or burried in a 
license eventually needed.


Myself, I wish I could "return" my 3DS Max snippet of my ultimate bundle 
with the next upgrade

and just go with a Maya centric subscription supported box.

I never really opened 3DS Max since I went for the ultimate bundle. Just 
bought it to open

a potential client market by being able to say yes to 3DS Max files...


--

Cheers,

tim






Am 15.09.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Graham Bell:
I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU ruling in my AD 
time and l was told at the time by one of the legal guys that its is 
Autodesk's belief that their license transfer policy is compatible 
with the EU ruling.
I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their partners on 
this though, if you wanted to take things further.
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg > wrote:


I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are
legal.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal


Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.

On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi . > wrote:

I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could
get one from a reseller but now it's clear that we need to
spend 4k for a)software i don't want. b)software that is
already dead. This is real?
I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not
student or something like that.

Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead
software, what is the cost to that if they're saying those
licenses are perpetual, so they don't need any servers to keep
checking online? .. I find this whole situation absurd, really.
If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option
the only one is spending too much for something i will not use.



On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese
> wrote:

As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I
create something worth while that I have to figure out how
to render with more than one machine...since I only have
one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm  trying to
learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a
softimage/mental ray license (or 20)  transferred to me
from someone who just isn't using the software
anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk
(2.1.1 of the 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[peter_b]

doesn’t a Softimage license come with 5 or so batch licenses - or was this 
changed at some point?


From: Patrick Neese 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:23 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something worth 
while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one 
machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm  trying 
to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental ray license 
(or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using the software 
anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could allow for a transfer 
via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

  
  

  If second-hand is an option, then it might would be a potential
  avenue or at least something.
  
  Otherwise, unless being in the rather particular case of being a
  Softimage studio, (harder to come by these days)
  or a freelancer, (not even a freelancer at a studios, but actually
  expecting to do Maya jobs at home),
  
  that, or having a considerable amount of extra money to get the
  bundle for weekend experiments,
  
  I don't see how paying perhaps twice what it should be (just for
  the "...with Softimage" part) can at-all be considered like an
  even remotely reasonable thing to do.
  
  
  Except Maya is everywhere, and for long time users that know and
  have used Softimage, this is like the last chance.
  
  And for the life of me, I'm sure there must be something possible
  other than either paying what most would consider a ridiculous
  amount of money, (just for the "...with Softimage" part) or
  resorting to cracks.
  
  Perhaps a non-commercial version watermarked ? :/
  
  Or perhaps as you say second-hand might be worth exploring that
  avenue, & thanks for the pointer.
  
  
  On 09/16/15 3:09, Tim Leydecker wrote:


  
  I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced
  intricacies 
  but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license
  ownership to me.
  
  The process involved a signed document of the previous owner,
  basically 
  transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a helpful
  reseller 
  making that transfer happen with Autodesk. 
  
  If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee but
  that was dropped
  in favour of me directly buying subscription support to "help" the
  transfer process.
  
  It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the Autodesk
  database to merge
  multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in the
  end, it all worked out.
  
  The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had to
  get back to the
  original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that was
  it. 
  
  --
  
  Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a
  Maya+Softimage bundle 
  instead of insisting on just the Softimage license. Or a 3DS
  Max+Softimage bundle.
  
  There is a good chance things change in the future and it seems
  wise to brace for
  that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade or
  crossgrade option
  is readily available?
  
  4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising across
  the board a while back.
  I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s usage
  cost me roughly $2000 then.
  
  That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone look
  into the general pricing scheme
  of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would feel
  better to have to shell out
  as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues. 
  
  It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or
  burried in a license eventually needed.
  
  Myself, I wish I could "return" my 3DS Max snippet of my ultimate
  bundle with the next upgrade
  and just go with a Maya centric subscription supported box.
  
  I never really opened 3DS Max since I went for the ultimate
  bundle. Just bought it to open
  a potential client market by being able to say yes to 3DS Max
  files...
  
  
  --
  
  Cheers,
  
  tim
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Am 15.09.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Graham
Bell:
  
  I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU
ruling in my AD time and l was told at the time by one of the
legal guys that its is Autodesk's belief that their license
transfer policy is compatible with the EU ruling.
I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their
partners on this though, if you wanted to take things further.

  On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg



wrote:
  
  
I believe in the EU second-hand trading of
  software licenses are legal. http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal
  
  
  Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is
possibly problematic.


  On 15 September 2015 at 22:49,
Tenshi . 
wrote:

  

  

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Stefan Kubicek]

That's exactly how I got my license too.

And: I don't remember the original price of Softimage standalone,
but $3700.- for Maya/Max + Softimage is the same as for Maya/Max only?
At least in the EU I don't think it has ever been much cheaper?

Not that it's incredibly cheap to begin with, but  2 packages for the  
price of one doesn't sound like that bad a deal to me.





I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced intricacies 
but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license ownership  
to me.


The process involved a signed document of the previous owner, basically 
transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a helpful  
resellermaking that transfer happen with Autodesk.
If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee but that was  
dropped
in favour of me directly buying subscription support to "help" the  
transfer process.


It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the Autodesk database  
to merge
multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in the end,  
it all worked out.


The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had to get back  
to the

original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that was it.
--

Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a  
Maya+Softimage bundleinstead of insisting on just the Softimage license.  
Or a 3DS Max+Softimage bundle.


There is a good chance things change in the future and it seems wise to  
brace for
that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade or  
crossgrade option

is readily available?

4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising across the  
board a while back.
I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s usage cost  
me roughly $2000 then.


That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone look into  
the general pricing scheme
of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would feel  
better to have to shell out

as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues.
It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or burried in a  
license eventually needed.


Myself, I wish I could "return" my 3DS Max snippet of my ultimate bundle  
with the next upgrade

and just go with a Maya centric subscription supported box.

I never really opened 3DS Max since I went for the ultimate bundle. Just  
bought it to open

a potential client market by being able to say yes to 3DS Max files...


--

Cheers,

tim






Am 15.09.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Graham Bell:
I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU ruling in my AD  
time and l was told at the time by one of the legal guys that its is  
>>Autodesk's belief that their license transfer policy is compatible  
with the EU ruling.
I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their partners on  
this though, if you wanted to take things further.
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg   
wrote:
I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are  
legal.  
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/>>>Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal

Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.

On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi .  wrote:
I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one  
from a reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for  
a)software i don't want. b)software that is already dead. This is  
real?I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not  
student or something like that.
Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what  
is the cost to that if they're saying those licenses are  
perpetual, so they don't need any servers to keep checking  
online? .. I find this whole situation absurd, really.If we have  
money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only one is  
spending too much for something i will not use.




On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese  
 wrote:
As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create  
something worth while that I have to figure out how to render  
>with more than one machine...since I only have one Mental Ray  
license for softimage.  I'm  trying to learn Maya...  It is  
>unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental ray license (or  
20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using the  
>software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA  
could allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk  
>(2.1.1 of the 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)










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Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tenshi .]

If i only have that money which people in general DON'T... so, this is a
bad move again by AD. They can do so much better. :)


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Stefan Kubicek 
wrote:

> That's exactly how I got my license too.
>
> And: I don't remember the original price of Softimage standalone,
> but $3700.- for Maya/Max + Softimage is the same as for Maya/Max only?
> At least in the EU I don't think it has ever been much cheaper?
>
> Not that it's incredibly cheap to begin with, but  2 packages for the
> price of one doesn't sound like that bad a deal to me.
>
>
>
>
> I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced intricacies
> but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license ownership to
> me.
>
> The process involved a signed document of the previous owner, basically
> transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a helpful
> reseller
> making that transfer happen with Autodesk.
>
> If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee but that was
> dropped
> in favour of me directly buying subscription support to "help" the
> transfer process.
>
> It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the Autodesk database to
> merge
> multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in the end, it
> all worked out.
>
> The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had to get back
> to the
> original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that was it.
>
> --
>
> Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a Maya+Softimage
> bundle
> instead of insisting on just the Softimage license. Or a 3DS Max+Softimage
> bundle.
>
> There is a good chance things change in the future and it seems wise to
> brace for
> that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade or crossgrade
> option
> is readily available?
>
> 4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising across the board
> a while back.
> I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s usage cost me
> roughly $2000 then.
>
> That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone look into the
> general pricing scheme
> of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would feel better
> to have to shell out
> as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues.
>
> It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or burried in a
> license eventually needed.
>
> Myself, I wish I could "return" my 3DS Max snippet of my ultimate bundle
> with the next upgrade
> and just go with a Maya centric subscription supported box.
>
> I never really opened 3DS Max since I went for the ultimate bundle. Just
> bought it to open
> a potential client market by being able to say yes to 3DS Max files...
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 15.09.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Graham Bell:
>
> I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU ruling in my AD time
> and l was told at the time by one of the legal guys that its is Autodesk's
> belief that their license transfer policy is compatible with the EU ruling.
> I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their partners on this
> though, if you wanted to take things further.
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg  wrote:
>
>> I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are legal.
>> http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal
>>
>> Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.
>>
>> On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi .  wrote:
>>
>>> I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one
>>> from a reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for a)software
>>> i don't want. b)software that is already dead. This is real?
>>> I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not student or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what is
>>> the cost to that if they're saying those licenses are perpetual, so they
>>> don't need any servers to keep checking online? .. I find this whole
>>> situation absurd, really.
>>> If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only
>>> one is spending too much for something i will not use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
 worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
 machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
  trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
 ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
 the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
 allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the
 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Leydecker]

When I was in university, offerings for educational licenses were just 
starting

to become available. Not free but almost at a student´s budget price tag.

Today, Autodesk offers a great many (if not all?) of it´s applications as
a free download for educational use.

I know two people that have access to these licenses, one is/was 
teaching 3D classes part-time,
the other got elligible when losing his job and getting a state funded 
job orientation kind of class.


It might be worth checking out if you are eligible by enrolling into 
something like an online course?


I do remember watching a promo/intro video for one of the 3D 
Tutorial/online class providers
and they were saying exactly that, they are accredited with Autodesk 
which grants their students

educational access to Autodesk or Foundry software.

That´s as good as it can get?

Cheers,

tim






Am 17.09.2015 um 05:33 schrieb Tenshi .:
If i only have that money which people in general DON'T... so, this is 
a bad move again by AD. They can do so much better. :)



On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Stefan Kubicek > wrote:


That's exactly how I got my license too.

And: I don't remember the original price of Softimage standalone,
but $3700.- for Maya/Max + Softimage is the same as for Maya/Max only?
At least in the EU I don't think it has ever been much cheaper?

Not that it's incredibly cheap to begin with, but  2 packages for
the price of one doesn't sound like that bad a deal to me.




I don´t know about latest developments or newly introduced
intricacies
but I can report a successful transfer of a Softimage license
ownership to me.

The process involved a signed document of the previous owner,
basically
transfering ownership to me, my adress, my signature and a
helpful reseller
making that transfer happen with Autodesk.

If I recall correctly, the transfer process involved a fee but
that was dropped
in favour of me directly buying subscription support to "help"
the transfer process.

It´s a while back and it took a while to sort out the Autodesk
database to merge
multiple stray entries in my customer account listings but in
the end, it all worked out.

The moment the license ownership was transfered, I never had
to get back to the
original owner. I saw the document once, signed once and that
was it.

--

Personally, I don´t see the disturbing problem in getting a
Maya+Softimage bundle
instead of insisting on just the Softimage license. Or a 3DS
Max+Softimage bundle.

There is a good chance things change in the future and it
seems wise to brace for
that by having alternatives ready or to make sure an upgrade
or crossgrade option
is readily available?

4 grand is steep but that´s in line to the prices rising
across the board a while back.
I can still remember my first Maya rental license, a month´s
usage cost me roughly $2000 then.

That is not to say it wouldn´t be desireable to have someone
look into the general pricing scheme
of things. Of course, something like 2-2500 dollars would
feel better to have to shell out
as an unexpected expense that may or may not bring venues.

It´s obviously not the same to keep 4 grands in the bank or
burried in a license eventually needed.

Myself, I wish I could "return" my 3DS Max snippet of my
ultimate bundle with the next upgrade
and just go with a Maya centric subscription supported box.

I never really opened 3DS Max since I went for the ultimate
bundle. Just bought it to open
a potential client market by being able to say yes to 3DS Max
files...


--

Cheers,

tim






Am 15.09.2015 um 23:37 schrieb Graham Bell:

I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU ruling in
my AD time and l was told at the time by one of the legal
guys that its is Autodesk's belief that their license
transfer policy is compatible with the EU ruling.
I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their
partners on this though, if you wanted to take things further.
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg
> wrote:

I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software
licenses are legal.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal


Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly
problematic.

On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi .

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

Title: Signature

  
  
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1154830-REG/autodesk_978h1_wwr111_1001_vc_3ds_max_with_softimage.html
  http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1154841-REG/autodesk_977h1_wwr11c_1001_vc_maya_with_softimage_2016.html
  
  It's also still available online if you don't want to go through a
  reseller.
  
  
  On 09/15/15 10:57, Tim Crowson wrote:


  
  A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling
  individual licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local
  reseller or something (?). Does anyone know if this offer is still
  available, and what the terms are?
  -- 


 
Tim Crowson
Lead

  CG Artist
Magnetic Dreams, Inc.
2525
Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
  


  

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

  
  
Now I wonder what could possibly have
  motivated the manifestation of this EU law...  
  
  Guess lobbies have work to do!
  
  
  On 09/15/15 18:15, Sven Constable wrote:


  
  
  
  
Yeah,
problematic. Reselling "used" software is allowed in the EU
but since you don't own the software itself but just only
the license (to use it), you would have to transfer the
license to someone else. License transfer can only issued by
Autodesk. Floating licenses are bound to machine name and
MAC ID, both can be changed and AD will issue new licenses
if you change your companys license server. So…hypothetical
speaking, if you want to sell a license you'd need to
contact AD to issue a new license file for new  machine name
and MAC ID. You will get a new lic file, give it to the
buyer and he can use it in his company. Problem is, if he
will eventually needs to change server and/or MAC ID in the
future, he cannot do it by himself. The contract is between
you (as the actual owner)and AD, so YOU need to change it
again and give this to the "2nd hand" owner. I don't think
this is practical in any way, but doable.
 
All
also very grey and shady. I think that’s the reason why AD
and other companies trying to go subscription and rental.
This way they keep control of the usage. Get paid for usage
instead of selling. Keeping absolute control of the product,
since the costumer no longer owns anything.
 
sven
   
 

  


  

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Sven Constable]

Yeah, problematic. Reselling "used" software is allowed in the EU but since you 
don't own the software itself but just only the license (to use it), you would 
have to transfer the license to someone else. License transfer can only issued 
by Autodesk. Floating licenses are bound to machine name and MAC ID, both can 
be changed and AD will issue new licenses if you change your companys license 
server. So…hypothetical speaking, if you want to sell a license you'd need to 
contact AD to issue a new license file for new  machine name and MAC ID. You 
will get a new lic file, give it to the buyer and he can use it in his company. 
Problem is, if he will eventually needs to change server and/or MAC ID in the 
future, he cannot do it by himself. The contract is between you (as the actual 
owner)and AD, so YOU need to change it again and give this to the "2nd hand" 
owner. I don't think this is practical in any way, but doable.

 

All also very grey and shady. I think that’s the reason why AD and other 
companies trying to go subscription and rental. This way they keep control of 
the usage. Get paid for usage instead of selling. Keeping absolute control of 
the product, since the costumer no longer owns anything.

 

sven

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kleinenberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:29 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

 

I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are legal. 
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal

 

Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.

 

On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi . <tenshu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one from a 
reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for a)software i don't 
want. b)software that is already dead. This is real? 

I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not student or 
something like that. 

Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what is the 
cost to that if they're saying those licenses are perpetual, so they don't need 
any servers to keep checking online? .. I find this whole situation absurd, 
really. 

If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only one is 
spending too much for something i will not use.

 

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese <patrickne...@gmail.com> wrote:

As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something worth 
while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one 
machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm  trying 
to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental ray license 
(or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using the software 
anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could allow for a transfer 
via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)

 

 

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Jason,
This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. 
When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it 
was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get 
it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the 
standalone version commercially  and the internal systems are no longer in 
place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch 
it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current 
transition offering).
Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the 
only way you can get a new permanent license today.
Maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Hi Maurice,

Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would 
like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for 
many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS 
Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by 
studios).

Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb 
deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only 
purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and 
discontinued software?

Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) 
is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways,
but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to 
get Soft,
I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered 
unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high.


Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade 
without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in 
our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves.
[cid:image001.gif@01D0EFC1.F5747100]joeydanna:

I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially 
when it will only be available until the end of september.



My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So 
basically my options are stay on 10.3 forever, or pay full price for an upgrade 
on a dead product, and do it much sooner then i was originally planning to.

Honestly - all i really want is the upgrade to windows 7. $5,000 is a hard pill 
to swallow for that. It was worth it for the upgrade when the system was still 
being developed, and staying current mattered. $5k to upgrade a dead-end 
system, that will no matter what eventually have to be retired just isn't worth 
it.



Avid: *please* think about discounting or comping 10.x owners for the 11 
upgrade.

If i can move to V11, i will almost certainly be maintaining and upgrading 
media composer on the system in the future.

You would absolutely be keeping a long time customer, and I know i'm not the 
only one out there.



Exactly the same here!

We've got 2 DS 10.2 workstations. The main reason I'd like to upgrade now is 
the win7 (x64) official support. As a faithful Avid customer we already 
upgraded 2 times our 2 DS workstations in 5 years (including full hardware 
upgrade).

Since Avid DS EOL, I'm wondering if Avid will offer or at least discount the 
10.x to 11.1 update?

___

Re: DS 11 cost?

Marianna<http://community.avid.com/members/Marianna/default.aspx> Avid 
Community Administrator

Anyone interested in DS 10 to 11, ping me on email.  The cost is less than you 
think and comes with support :)

Happy to get you to the right person - so let me know your region.

Marianna


So if a Soft only discount price would be possible (for say users on this list 
and on SI-Community?) ,
I'm quite positive that many people (including myself) would be quite greatful 
for an opportunity to (legally) continue using the software they have grown to 
love over the years and that has marked their careers.

In any event, thanks very much for your consideration,
Jason


On 09/15/15 12:57, Maurice Patel wrote:

These bundles are perpetual licenses

maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:23 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



Maurice,



Is it still a perpetual Soft license or do you lose it when you go off of 
subscription?



Cheers,

-=Eric



On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Maurice 

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

 and on
  SI-Community?) , 
  I'm quite positive that many people (including myself) would be
  quite greatful for an opportunity to (legally) continue using the
  software they have grown to love over the years and that has
  marked their careers.
  
  In any event, thanks very much for your consideration,
  Jason
  
  
  On 09/15/15 12:57, Maurice Patel wrote:


  These bundles are perpetual licenses
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:23 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Maurice,

Is it still a perpetual Soft license or do you lose it when you go off of subscription?

Cheers,
-=Eric

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
NP Tim,
It is essentially a bundle of these two products. It is the same price as either Maya or 3ds Max standalone. It was created for the transition and offered at the same price as those products alone. I think the price is $3950 or something like that in the US (I am not sure of exact prices)
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for this?

-Tim
On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.

Maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>

Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>

Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something (?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what the terms are?

--







Tim Crowson

Lead CG Artist



Magnetic Dreams, Inc.

2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214

Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com

tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com><
/a>>

--




--




-=T=-



  

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Crowson]

Hi Maurice,

Thank you for taking the time to field all our questions!

1-  which version(s) of Maya and Soft are included in this bundle?
2- what is this bundle elligible for in terms of SPs/extensions?

-Tim

On 9/15/2015 1:43 PM, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Jason,
This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. 
When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it 
was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get 
it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the 
standalone version commercially  and the internal systems are no longer in 
place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch 
it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current 
transition offering).
Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the 
only way you can get a new permanent license today.
Maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Hi Maurice,

Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would 
like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for 
many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS 
Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by 
studios).

Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb 
deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only 
purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and 
discontinued software?

Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) 
is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways,
but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to 
get Soft,
I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered 
unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high.


Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade 
without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in 
our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves.
[cid:image001.gif@01D0EFC1.F5747100]joeydanna:

I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially 
when it will only be available until the end of september.



My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So 
basically my options are stay on 10.3 forever, or pay full price for an upgrade 
on a dead product, and do it much sooner then i was originally planning to.

Honestly - all i really want is the upgrade to windows 7. $5,000 is a hard pill 
to swallow for that. It was worth it for the upgrade when the system was still 
being developed, and staying current mattered. $5k to upgrade a dead-end 
system, that will no matter what eventually have to be retired just isn't worth 
it.



Avid: *please* think about discounting or comping 10.x owners for the 11 
upgrade.

If i can move to V11, i will almost certainly be maintaining and upgrading 
media composer on the system in the future.

You would absolutely be keeping a long time customer, and I know i'm not the 
only one out there.



Exactly the same here!

We've got 2 DS 10.2 workstations. The main reason I'd like to upgrade now is 
the win7 (x64) official support. As a faithful Avid customer we already 
upgraded 2 times our 2 DS workstations in 5 years (including full hardware 
upgrade).

Since Avid DS EOL, I'm wondering if Avid will offer or at least discount the 
10.x to 11.1 update?

___

Re: DS 11 cost?

Marianna<http://community.avid.com/members/Marianna/default.aspx> Avid 
Community Administrator

Anyone interested in DS 10 to 11, ping me on email.  The cost is less than you 
think and comes with support :)

Happy to get you to the right person - so let me know your region.

Marianna


So if a Soft only discount price would be possible (for say users on this list 
and on SI-Community?) ,
I'm quite positive that many people (including myself) would be quite greatful 
for an opportunity to (legally) continue using the software they have grown to 
love over the years and that has marked their careers.

In any event, thanks very much for your consideration,
Jason


On 09/15/15 12:57, Maurice Patel wrote:

These bundles are perpetual licenses

maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:23 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<m

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tony Bexley]

I definitely would want a license for my home machine if anyone finds one...

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Tim Crowson <
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:

> A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual
> licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or
> something (?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what
> the terms are?
> --
>
>
>
>
> *Tim Crowson **Lead CG Artist*
>
>
> *Magnetic Dreams, Inc. *2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville,
> TN 37214
> *Ph*  615.885.6801 | *Fax*  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
>



-- 
-Tony Bexley
Yes, Thee Tony Bexley

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Crowson]

Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for 
this?


-Tim

On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Tim,
Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as 
individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase 
order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual 
licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something 
(?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what the terms are?
--



Tim Crowson
Lead CG Artist

Magnetic Dreams, Inc.
2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com<http://www.magneticdreams.com>
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>


--
Signature

Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tim Crowson]

A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual 
licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or 
something (?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and 
what the terms are?

--
Signature

*Tim Crowson
*/Lead CG Artist/

*Magnetic Dreams, Inc.
*2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214
*Ph*  615.885.6801 | *Fax*  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Eric Turman]

Maurice,

Is it still a perpetual Soft license or do you lose it when you go off of
subscription?

Cheers,
-=Eric

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
wrote:

> NP Tim,
> It is essentially a bundle of these two products. It is the same price as
> either Maya or 3ds Max standalone. It was created for the transition and
> offered at the same price as those products alone. I think the price is
> $3950 or something like that in the US (I am not sure of exact prices)
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:17 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?
>
> Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for
> this?
>
> -Tim
> On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as
> individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase
> order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.
>
> Maurice
>
>
>
> Maurice Patel
>
> Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
>
> Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?
>
>
>
> A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual
> licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or
> something (?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what
> the terms are?
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Crowson
>
> Lead CG Artist
>
>
>
> Magnetic Dreams, Inc.
>
> 2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214
>
> Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | www.magneticdreams.com<
> http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com><
> http://www.magneticdreams.com>
>
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com
> ><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>
>
> --
>
>
>


-- 




-=T=-

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Tim,
Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as 
individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase 
order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual 
licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something 
(?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what the terms are?
--



Tim Crowson
Lead CG Artist

Magnetic Dreams, Inc.
2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214
Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com<http://www.magneticdreams.com>
tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>
<>

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Maurice Patel]

NP Tim,
It is essentially a bundle of these two products. It is the same price as 
either Maya or 3ds Max standalone. It was created for the transition and 
offered at the same price as those products alone. I think the price is $3950 
or something like that in the US (I am not sure of exact prices)
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for this?

-Tim
On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as 
individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase 
order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.

Maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual 
licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something 
(?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what the terms are?

--







Tim Crowson

Lead CG Artist



Magnetic Dreams, Inc.

2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214

Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com<http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com>

tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>

--


<>

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Maurice Patel]

These bundles are perpetual licenses
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:23 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Maurice,

Is it still a perpetual Soft license or do you lose it when you go off of 
subscription?

Cheers,
-=Eric

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
NP Tim,
It is essentially a bundle of these two products. It is the same price as 
either Maya or 3ds Max standalone. It was created for the transition and 
offered at the same price as those products alone. I think the price is $3950 
or something like that in the US (I am not sure of exact prices)
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Tim Crowson
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

Thanks Maurice... What type of license is that and what is the price for this?

-Tim
On 9/15/2015 10:08 AM, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes you can purchase “Maya with Softimage” or “3ds Max with Softimage” as 
individual licenses. You need to contact your reseller to place a purchase 
order with Autodesk as the offer Is not available through the estore.

Maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>

Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Tim Crowson

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:57 AM

To: 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>

Subject: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



A while back we were informed that Autodesk was still selling individual 
licenses of Softimage, but we had to go through a local reseller or something 
(?). Does anyone know if this offer is still available, and what the terms are?

--







Tim Crowson

Lead CG Artist



Magnetic Dreams, Inc.

2525 Lebanon Pike, Bldg C, Suite 101, Nashville, TN 37214

Ph  615.885.6801 | Fax  615.889.4768 | 
www.magneticdreams.com<http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com><http://www.magneticdreams.com>

tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>><mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com<mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>>

--




--




-=T=-
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Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

Hi sorry I guess it's just that 4k for Softimage? considering it's 
status? I don't think it's just me that finds that really way too steep  
Ouch! ;/


And I think it could also be like an act of good will considering what 
has become of the status of Softimage.


Not that asking for a fair price would exactly be a favor but anyhow..


On 09/15/15 15:57, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Jason,
It is not really feasible in the sense that it is not easy to do and it would 
be misleading for me to imply that there is any chance that it will happen. The 
program introduced was a transition to Maya or 3ds Max and those are your only 
options now as far as new Softimage licenses are concerned. I understand that 
neither of those products might be what you want but it is the only thing 
available.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:25 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

I don't know, but I somehow find 'unfeasable' to be hard to beleive considering 
it's not for anything near a full blown relaunch situation or any such thing.
(wonder what it involved for Mariana from Avid to manage something.. (other 
than a phone call) and how much does it cost to issue licences.)

And I'm sure something could similarly be arranged without too much 
involvement, and that any cost would likely be more than offset even if 
original price would be reduced by some 90%.

No one is asking for such a reduction, but something reasonable would be 
appreciated, because the price to get access to discontinued Softimage is 
currently quite unreasonable, like asking for the price of a new car for a used 
one with the justification that it comes with a boat.
(A boat which most people looking for that particular car wouldn't necessarily 
need or want)


On 09/15/15 14:43, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Jason,

This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. 
When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it 
was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get 
it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the 
standalone version commercially  and the internal systems are no longer in 
place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch 
it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current 
transition offering).

Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the 
only way you can get a new permanent license today.

Maurice





Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



Hi Maurice,



Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would 
like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for 
many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS 
Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by 
studios).



Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb 
deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only 
purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and 
discontinued software?



Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) 
is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways,

but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to 
get Soft,

I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered 
unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high.





Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade 
without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in 
our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves.

[cid:image001.gif@01D0EFC1.F5747100]joeydanna:



I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially 
when it will only be available until the end of september.







My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So 
basically my options are stay on 10.3 forever, or pay full price for an upgrade 
on a dead product, and do it much sooner then i was originally planning to.



Honestly - all i really want is the upgrade to windows 7. $5,000 is a hard pill 
to swallow for that. It was worth it for the upgrade when the system was still 
being developed, and staying current mattered. $5k to upgrade a dead-end 
system, that will no

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tom Kleinenberg]

I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are legal.
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal

Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.

On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi .  wrote:

> I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one from
> a reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for a)software i
> don't want. b)software that is already dead. This is real?
> I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not student or
> something like that.
>
> Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what is
> the cost to that if they're saying those licenses are perpetual, so they
> don't need any servers to keep checking online? .. I find this whole
> situation absurd, really.
> If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only
> one is spending too much for something i will not use.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese 
> wrote:
>
>> As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
>> worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
>> machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
>>  trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
>> ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
>> the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
>> allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the 2014
>> LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)
>>
>
>

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Graham Bell]

I'm not sure its that simple. I looked into this EU ruling in my AD time
and l was told at the time by one of the legal guys that its is Autodesk's
belief that their license transfer policy is compatible with the EU ruling.
I would advise checking with Autodesk and/or one of their partners on this
though, if you wanted to take things further.
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 at 22:29, Tom Kleinenberg  wrote:

> I believe in the EU second-hand trading of software licenses are legal.
> http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240214493/Second-hand-software-legal-or-illegal
>
> Of course, finding somebody prepared to sell is possibly problematic.
>
> On 15 September 2015 at 22:49, Tenshi .  wrote:
>
>> I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one from
>> a reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for a)software i
>> don't want. b)software that is already dead. This is real?
>> I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not student or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what is
>> the cost to that if they're saying those licenses are perpetual, so they
>> don't need any servers to keep checking online? .. I find this whole
>> situation absurd, really.
>> If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only
>> one is spending too much for something i will not use.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
>>> worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
>>> machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
>>>  trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
>>> ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
>>> the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
>>> allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the
>>> 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)
>>>
>>
>>
>

RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Sven Constable]

Very true but don't forget you are dealing with Autodesk.  I think it's the 
other way around.  What's if AD had more costs involved to  launch two new 
applications called 'Maya with Softimage' and '3dsmax with Softimage"?  Both 
comes with their own product keys and therefore all the licensing work. All the 
logistics necessary to handle two other products beside the existing Max and 
Maya  (and Softimage). So they effectively introduced two new products to 
cancel the licensing work on one.

Does it make sense? I don't know. Business wise possibly yes, for a company on 
that scale. We can't blame a company for its effort to get existing costumers 
to use other products if they eol'd one. 

On the other hand, it's thinkable that AD would have had more success not 
forcing Softimage costumers to max and maya and instead leave them with a 
product they can be productive with and still can buy licenses for a reasonable 
price. A discussion about this becomes more and more academic since AD will not 
change their decisions by some guys on a mailing list. If AD would care about 
their costumers they wold not have killed the product their costumers rely on.

 

PS: Maurice, please don't take this personal. I appreciate the information you 
share on the list and that there is still  an AD employee paying attention to 
costumers on this list.

sven

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:25 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

 

I don't know, but I somehow find 'unfeasable' to be hard to beleive considering 
it's not for anything near a full blown relaunch situation or any such thing.
(wonder what it involved for Mariana from Avid to manage something.. (other 
than a phone call) and how much does it cost to issue licences.)

And I'm sure something could similarly be arranged without too much 
involvement, and that any cost would likely be more than offset even if 
original price would be reduced by some 90%.

No one is asking for such a reduction, but something reasonable would be 
appreciated, because the price to get access to discontinued Softimage is 
currently quite unreasonable, like asking for the price of a new car for a used 
one with the justification that it comes with a boat.
(A boat which most people looking for that particular car wouldn't necessarily 
need or want)


On 09/15/15 14:43, Maurice Patel wrote:

Hi Jason,
This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. 
When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it 
was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get 
it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the 
standalone version commercially  and the internal systems are no longer in 
place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch 
it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current 
transition offering).
Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the 
only way you can get a new permanent license today.
Maurice
 
 
Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549
 
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?
 
Hi Maurice,
 
Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would 
like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for 
many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS 
Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by 
studios).
 
Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb 
deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only 
purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and 
discontinued software?
 
Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) 
is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways,
but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to 
get Soft,
I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered 
unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high.
 
 
Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade 
without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in 
our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves.
[cid:image001.gif@01D0EFC1.F5747100]joeydanna:
 
I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially 
when it will only be available until the end of september.
 
 
 
My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So 
basically my op

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Jason S]

  
  
(Psst! RedShift! : )
  
  I wouldn't count on the possibility of transferring licenses 
  (regardless if 'baught' and paid for, ownership in the traditional
  sense was already compromized a while ago)
  
  
  On 09/15/15 16:23, Patrick Neese wrote:


  As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the
day I create something worth while that I have to figure out how
to render with more than one machine...since I only have one
Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm  trying to learn Maya... 
It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental ray license
(or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using the
software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA
could allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1
  of the 2014 LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)


  

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Andres Stephens]

"Last in stock sale! 80% off,  get it while it lasts!" 
Retail anyone? 
And how did... Some software get released free in the Autodesk download estore 
after their eol and softimage no? 
=(



Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com> 
Date: 15/09/2015  14:57  (GMT-05:00) 
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: RE: Soft licenses still available for purchase? 


Hi Jason,

It is not really feasible in the sense that it is not easy to do and it would 
be misleading for me to imply that there is any chance that it will happen. The 
program introduced was a transition to Maya or 3ds Max and those are your only 
options now as far as new Softimage licenses are concerned. I understand that 
neither of those products might be what you want but it is the only thing 
available.

Maurice



Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:25 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?



I don't know, but I somehow find 'unfeasable' to be hard to beleive considering 
it's not for anything near a full blown relaunch situation or any such thing.

(wonder what it involved for Mariana from Avid to manage something.. (other 
than a phone call) and how much does it cost to issue licences.)



And I'm sure something could similarly be arranged without too much 
involvement, and that any cost would likely be more than offset even if 
original price would be reduced by some 90%.



No one is asking for such a reduction, but something reasonable would be 
appreciated, because the price to get access to discontinued Softimage is 
currently quite unreasonable, like asking for the price of a new car for a used 
one with the justification that it comes with a boat.

(A boat which most people looking for that particular car wouldn't necessarily 
need or want)





On 09/15/15 14:43, Maurice Patel wrote:



Hi Jason,



This would be a great idea if possible but unfortunately it is not feasible. 
When we announced EOL over a year and a half ago we did have a window where it 
was possible to buy Softimage standalone and then really was the time to get 
it. This reason its not feasible is because we no longer distribute the 
standalone version commercially  and the internal systems are no longer in 
place for it. The product is now retired and it would be too costly to relaunch 
it even in a limited capacity (certainly more costly than the current 
transition offering).



Sorry I don’t have better news to share with you – but the bundle really is the 
only way you can get a new permanent license today.



Maurice











Maurice Patel



Tél:  514 954-7134



Cell: 514 242-6549







From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jason S



Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 2:11 PM



To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>



Subject: Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?







Hi Maurice,







Considering that likely quite a few people (very-much including myself) would 
like to (legally) have access to the software they have been using for 
many-many years without necessarily wanting or needing a licence of Maya or 3DS 
Max, (even if using Maya or Max, licenses are typically already supplied by 
studios).







Nevertheless, now that we are coming close to the last chance before Feb 
deadline, would it be conceivable to have a short window to have Soft only 
purchases at what could be considered a fair price for unsupported and 
discontinued software?







Because nearly 4k (or the standard price of fully supported/updated software) 
is okay (even good) if looking to get Maya anyways,



but for probably the majority of people thinking of buying the bundle just to 
get Soft,



I think it can be understandable how that price can be considered 
unrealistically or otherwise extraordinarily high.











Perhaps not unlike how DS Studios were asking for an opportunity to upgrade 
without paying the price of fully supported and developped software, except in 
our case, most Softimage users didn't have licenses themselves.



[cid:image001.gif@01D0EFC1.F5747100]joeydanna:







I just think its absurd for avid to ask full price for the upgrade, especially 
when it will only be available until the end of september.















My plan was to upgrade next year. I can't really afford to right now. So 
basically my options are stay on 10.3 forever, or pay full price for an upgrade 
on a dead product, and do it much sooner then i was originally planning to.







Honestly - all i really want is the upgrade to windows 7. $5,00

Re: Soft licenses still available for purchase?

[Tenshi .]

I was saving for a Softimage license only, i thought i could get one from a
reseller but now it's clear that we need to spend 4k for a)software i don't
want. b)software that is already dead. This is real?
I want my machine to have at least one softimage license, not student or
something like that.

Really i don't see what is the trouble selling a dead software, what is the
cost to that if they're saying those licenses are perpetual, so they don't
need any servers to keep checking online? .. I find this whole situation
absurd, really.
If we have money, we can't buy;, and if they gave us an option the only one
is spending too much for something i will not use.



On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Neese 
wrote:

> As a hobbyist with a single license...I fear the day I create something
> worth while that I have to figure out how to render with more than one
> machine...since I only have one Mental Ray license for softimage.  I'm
>  trying to learn Maya...  It is unfortunate I can't have a softimage/mental
> ray license (or 20)  transferred to me from someone who just isn't using
> the software anymore...or...is that possible? It appears the LSA could
> allow for a transfer via written approval by Autodesk (2.1.1 of the 2014
> LSA) :) It's worth a shot :)
>