Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
gordonb3 wrote: > As far as I can see, when playing an audio file the cover art shown > defaults to the one that is embedded in the audio file. When browsing > albums in the default GUI - I suppose Material may follow a different > scheme - it favours a separate image file in the folder with a > preference for `folder.jpg` or `cover.jpg`. In past time I found the > mechanism to be somewhat unpredictable, probably because at the time I > did not obey this name preference, and as I never browse additional art > (i.e. booklets) from the LMS GUI but do like to include them on the disk > I have since always archived them in either .pdf or .cbr format which > the scanner does not handle. LMS displays the art from its artwork cache which is the same cover that it uses for its album list. At play time it reads the database to find the image within the cache store. Have a look at the database. As I said earlier my understanding remains that the scanner uses the first piece of embedded artwork it finds but in the event there is none then drops to folder.jpg or cover.jpg - I dont know the precedence of the latter. If you look at More / Local Artwork youll see the cached versions stored for display use. Part of the scan process is the creation of the artwork cache Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
As far as I can see, when playing an audio file the cover art shown defaults to the one that is embedded in the audio file. When browsing albums in the default GUI - I suppose Material may follow a different scheme - it favours a separate image file in the folder with a preference for `folder.jpg` or `cover.jpg`. In past time I found the mechanism to be somewhat unpredictable, probably because at the time I did not obey this name preference, and as I never browse additional art (i.e. booklets) from the LMS GUI but do like to include them on the disk I have since always archived them in either .pdf or .cbr format which the scanner does not handle. gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
gstalnaker wrote: > Thanks for this. A quick google search tells me that iTunes can use > cover.jpg in a folder for album art which I also need (for an aging iPod > I use as a media device in my Ram truck). > > So I've a project before me! Make sure you try it first in all scenarios Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
d6jg wrote: > Embedded cover art in files is an MP3 thing in the main. If you dont > use your music in anything other than LMS there is no reason to bloat > your files with cover art - just use a single decent folder.jpg or > cover.jpg in the album folder. LMS creates various sized versions in any > case for where it needs them and stores them in the cache for easy quick > retrieval. > Most decent rippers can be configured to do this. Thanks for this. A quick google search tells me that iTunes can use cover.jpg in a folder for album art which I also need (for an aging iPod I use as a media device in my Ram truck). So I've a project before me! gstalnaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
gstalnaker wrote: > This thread has been an eye-opener! > > One of my personal joys is creating cover art for recordings (vinyl I've > digitized, etc.). I've done this for years, and developed an SOP for > sizing, quality, etc. I usually use GIMP for this work and have usually > created images 1425x1425, at 300 dpi, which is the size that translates > best for PRINTING cover art for a CD insert. > > When I started using LMS, I KEPT this formatting/sizing and for years > I've been embedding cover art in mp3/flac files using mp3tag that were > created using that sizing and DPI. These files are rarely ginormous, but > in the past month I've noticed that files I know have cover art embedded > in them do not display that cover art in LMS. Started looking at the > logs and saw errors related to "exceeded file size limits." So, just > recently I've been playing with modifying my SOP to created files at > 600x600 300 dpi, or 1425x1425 at 100 dpi. The first are slightly > smaller, but the later are easier to add text to. > > And now this thread!! > > I have not previously put a cover.jpg file in the folder with the music > files. Should I? Is there a scanning/LMS advantage to doing this and > removing cover art from the music files? > > I ask because I have an 80,000+ music library and changes that make > scanning more efficient are welcome. > > Thanks. Embedded cover art in files is an MP3 thing in the main. If you dont use your music in anything other than LMS there is no reason to bloat your files with cover art - just use a single decent folder.jpg or cover.jpg in the album folder. LMS creates various sized versions in any case for where it needs them and stores them in the cache for easy quick retrieval. Most decent rippers can be configured to do this. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
This thread has been an eye-opener! One of my personal joys is creating cover art for recordings (vinyl I've digitized, etc.). I've done this for years, and developed an SOP for sizing, quality, etc. I usually use GIMP for this work and have usually created images 1425x1425, at 300 dpi, which is the size that translates best for PRINTING cover art for a CD insert. When I started using LMS, I KEPT this formatting/sizing and for years I've been embedding cover art in mp3/flac files using mp3tag that were created using that sizing and DPI. These files are rarely ginormous, but in the past month I've noticed that files I know have cover art embedded in them do not display that cover art in LMS. Started looking at the logs and saw errors related to "exceeded file size limits." So, just recently I've been playing with modifying my SOP to created files at 600x600 300 dpi, or 1425x1425 at 100 dpi. The first are slightly smaller, but the later are easier to add text to. And now this thread!! I have not previously put a cover.jpg file in the folder with the music files. Should I? Is there a scanning/LMS advantage to doing this and removing cover art from the music files? I ask because I have an 80,000+ music library and changes that make scanning more efficient are welcome. Thanks. gstalnaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
I use 1500x1500 cover art as a standard. A single file cover.jpg for each album. This has always worked for me. Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
mherger wrote: > > This got me wondering - what is the biggest cover art file size that > LMS > > can deal with, and does it depend on the specs of the computer it's > > I don't know. But I thought we had some kind of protection from this > kind off issue built in. Would you have a log file where we'd get mor > information about the crash? Recently I experienced display problems with cover art embedded in the files of the playlists. Their size was 500 x 500, and after some tedious work changing all of them to 300 x 300 the problems are gone. Duet TryBox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
I may be wrong but Im pretty sure that LMS uses cover art in the following order. First music file in a folder with embedded art then folder.jpg, cover.jpg etc If your embedded file was 300x300 it would use that rather than the 800x800 image which is then arguably a bit redundant. As I dont use my Flacs with anything other than LMS I try not to embed images at all but use 800x800 folder.jpg Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
gordonb3 wrote: > AFAIK there is no fixed limit, but as coverart is resized to match the > player's capabilities and I run LMS on a small CPU I make a habit of > reviewing the music files and resize the art to match the maximum > display size which is 300x300 for the image included in the music file > (used by the player) and 800x800 for the folder (used by the web GUI). Thanks for that reality check. That makes a lot of sense, and a lot more sense than keeping old graphics files from the days before I used LMS and wasn't concerned about viewing them anywhere but on the desktop where my music library was stored in those days. The problem here is entirely user-generated, like problems with outdated and incompatible metadata tags. In recent years, I have gone through my collection, attempting to get all the tags in order, and on another occasion, trying to correct problems with displayed cover art. Now it's time to deal with the other graphics files in the folders. Not the cover art, but images that can be displayed through the "Local artwork" link in "Song Info." (Is this link only available if you have the Music and Artists Information plugin installed? I've been using MAI so long, I don't remember.) These images can be much larger than 800x800, and sometimes greater detail is appropriate. But there is no point in having files as large as the ones I mentioned earlier. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
AFAIK there is no fixed limit, but as coverart is resized to match the player's capabilities and I run LMS on a small CPU I make a habit of reviewing the music files and resize the art to match the maximum display size which is 300x300 for the image included in the music file (used by the player) and 800x800 for the folder (used by the web GUI). gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
mherger wrote: > > This got me wondering - what is the biggest cover art file size that > LMS > > can deal with, and does it depend on the specs of the computer it's > > I don't know. But I thought we had some kind of protection from this > kind off issue built in. Would you have a log file where we'd get mor > information about the crash? Unfortunately not! Once I'd removed the embedded graphics file the scan completed fine. Would you like me to try and put the file back? Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.1.2/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), 1 x SqueezeAMP *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP7.0.1/LMS8.1.2/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
Correction to the above, I overlooked the following two lines in the log, which seem to be associated with displaying the 147 MB png file: Code: [22-02-28 12:04:27.2962] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1343) Warning: [12:04:27.2957] fixed-point overflow: 437170145 830479563 -269959117 1224405955 [22-02-28 12:04:31.5578] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1343) Warning: [12:04:31.5573] fixed-point overflow: -1340173856 -215196268 -655582875 1169048260 I also tried to display a 20 MB jpg file with the absurd dimensions 18150x3630. It was slow to display and while processing it LMS stopped responding to input. Material skin reported that it had lost contact with the server. But there were no errors in the log. When LMS finally responded to input again, The "now playing" marker had moved to the end of the current queue and playback had stopped. But I was able to start playback with no further problems. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
RobbH wrote: > I will hunt for one of my insanely large graphics files and try to > generate am error report for you. Done, but no luck. I found a 7360x3682 png file, 147 MB, which should qualify as insanely large. LMS loaded it, slowly, and displayed it without any obvious distress. Nothing in the log. If any logging changes would help, I'll be happy to try again. Whatever caused large images to crash LMS in the past, as I have experienced, it must have been filed. I'm running today's build of 8.3. These are images in a music folder, displayed through the Local artwork link in Song Info. Bob is talking about images embedded in music files, so there are differences. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
mherger wrote: > > This got me wondering - what is the biggest cover art file size that > LMS > > can deal with, and does it depend on the specs of the computer it's > > I don't know. But I thought we had some kind of protection from this > kind off issue built in. Would you have a log file where we'd get mor > information about the crash? I will hunt for one of my insanely large graphics files and try to generate am error report for you. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
This got me wondering - what is the biggest cover art file size that LMS can deal with, and does it depend on the specs of the computer it's I don't know. But I thought we had some kind of protection from this kind off issue built in. Would you have a log file where we'd get mor information about the crash? ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
Roland0 wrote: > LMS uses a perl module (Image::Scale) to resize images (which in turn > uses libraries like libpng and libjpeg to handle image formats). For system with limited resources there is the option for MySB to do the resizing - WebUI Settings/Advanced/Performance/Artwork resizing - however the artwork first has to be extracted so it will still have some resource hit. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
LMS uses a perl module (Image::Scale) to resize images (which in turn uses libraries like libpng and libjpeg to handle image formats). This module holds the uncompressed image in memory (for a 7500*7500 image, this needs ~160MB), in addition to the compressed one, plus memory for the output image. Additionally, for reading the image, another buffer the size of the uncompressed image is allocated. I suspect that somewhere during that processing LMS runs out of memory. 'Various SW' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/sw/): Web Interface | Text Interface | Playlist Editor / Generator | Music Classification | Similar Music | Announce | EventTrigger | Ambient Noise Mixer | DB Optimizer | Image Enhancer | Chiptunes | LMSlib2go | ... 'Various HowTos' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/documents/LMS/): build a self-contained LMS | Bluetooth/ALSA | Control LMS with any device | ... Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
I have no idea why anyone would think embedding a 5.8Mb png in an audio file would be a good idea! I didn't put it there, I always add cover art as cover.jpg in the album folder. I think it would be pretty easy to sort this out globally across a music library using an app such as Bliss, but even then it would be useful to know the upper limit (and whether that is dependent on the specs of the server). Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.1.2/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), 1 x SqueezeAMP *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP7.0.1/LMS8.1.2/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
I am very interested in this issue, as well. I have some insanely large graphics files accompanying some albums, Occasionally, trying to view one of those files from the Local Artwork link in song info will crash LMS. Obviously the solution is to get rid of any insanely large graphics files, but it would be nice to have some sense of where the line is between rather large and insanely large. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Maximum file size for cover art?
I've been tinkering with a tiny server for travelling, based on a Pi Zero2 and a 2Tb SSD drive. It works pretty well, but lately the scans have choked while pre-caching artwork. I examined the scanner.log and identified a recently added music file with a very large embedded artwork file. I exported the file and found it was a 5.8Mb png file. Once I removed the embedded image, the scans complete without problem. This got me wondering - what is the biggest cover art file size that LMS can deal with, and does it depend on the specs of the computer it's running on? 5.8Mb is stupidly large (it was 7500x7500 pixels), and I can't understand why anyone would embed an image that large! I routinely check file tags before adding files to my library, and was just wondering what size limit I should look out for. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.1.2/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), 1 x SqueezeAMP *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP7.0.1/LMS8.1.2/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116043 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
