Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
OK what about a stuffed bear head? :-) Sam JR May wrote: > > Hold the phone there! I kind of like antlers! > > - Original Message - > From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 PM > Subject: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR > > > At 07:23 PM 3/19/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >>And I hate "cow catchers" > > > > I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle > > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox. > > > > Regards, > > Harry > > > > > > >
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
JR May wrote: > > What you find is that nearly everything can be prototypical. I remember > back years ago when I used to get Model RR magazine that they had a feature > each month of things that in theory were "not prototypical" but they would > show a picture of a real RR using that item. The one that sticks with me is > the straight bridge with curved track on it. I think that this would be over a relatively short distance on a single span to save the cost? of having a vertical (bent?) to support the overhang, or where one such could not be built. The one that springs to mind is on the 2' Volos to Milae(sp?) line in Greece, part of which has reopened. Sam E
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
> > Any thing is prototypical! Enjoy! > > J.R. Possibly so, tho I remain to be convinced of the absolute truth of this statement. It is, however, frequently untypical. Sam E
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
H, a radio controlled GG-1? You could have ridden in the bar car and run it from there! - Original Message - From: Keith Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR > > > > > Engines under go change. Our shay looks like much different that it > did the > > day it rolled out of Lima. The wood cab was replaced and it got a > diamond > > stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in. > J.R. > The Shay got it's new cab because the old wooden one burned! The Ely > Thomas No. 5, which worked along side the No. 6 at Jetsville, W. Va, > always had a wooden cab, and does today as well. But yes, the spark > arresting stack was a West Virgina Law, and that's why Cass has the > identical stack on it's coal burning locomotives today. > > > BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel. So > yes, > > radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also. No kidding. > The > > locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator > knew > > which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire > suit > > in the mill. > The "Front" and "Rear" markings are not just for radio Control use, but > are an ICC and later FRA mandated marking as some locomotives, like GE > 44 tonners, have identical looking fronts and rears, and some RR's like > the N&W ran their diesel locomotives long hood leading. All FRA > inspectable locomotives have the "front" marked so that a brakeman will > know which direction is which for giving hand signals. Most are merely > marked with a "F" on one end beam, but that is the officially designated > "front" of the locomotive. Without it, how would you tell which end of a > GG-1 is the front? > Keith > > > >
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
> > Engines under go change. Our shay looks like much different that it did the > day it rolled out of Lima. The wood cab was replaced and it got a diamond > stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in. J.R. The Shay got it's new cab because the old wooden one burned! The Ely Thomas No. 5, which worked along side the No. 6 at Jetsville, W. Va, always had a wooden cab, and does today as well. But yes, the spark arresting stack was a West Virgina Law, and that's why Cass has the identical stack on it's coal burning locomotives today. > BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel. So yes, > radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also. No kidding. The > locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator knew > which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire suit > in the mill. The "Front" and "Rear" markings are not just for radio Control use, but are an ICC and later FRA mandated marking as some locomotives, like GE 44 tonners, have identical looking fronts and rears, and some RR's like the N&W ran their diesel locomotives long hood leading. All FRA inspectable locomotives have the "front" marked so that a brakeman will know which direction is which for giving hand signals. Most are merely marked with a "F" on one end beam, but that is the officially designated "front" of the locomotive. Without it, how would you tell which end of a GG-1 is the front? Keith
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
> >>And I hate "cow catchers" > > I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox. And in fact, I doubt that one ever "caught" a COW! Now if they wanted to call them Cow deflectors, or a "Cow Plow!" that might be a bit more accurate! Keith Taylor
Re: Survey is posted
Great page you have there. Fantastic. Did the survey too. Seemed simple enough. Look forward to the responses. - Original Message - From: Chuck Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: Survey is posted > Hi Folks, > > The survey is posted. If you would like to take part, please go to > http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw and click on the survey link on the > left side. When I get enough responses, I will post the results and then > update it thereafter. Pass the word. I truly would like to see what my > peers are doing and what they want from future live steam offerings. > > My Best, > > Chuck > > Charles W. Walters > Twin Lakes Railway CEO > http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw > > >
Re: Reno, was a subject now banned
Just for the record Vance . . . TCA one upmanship has driven a few to leave for kinder groups like our informal club for G trains here in Eugene. There were a few snobs who left the group because we were too informal. There are some with enough money to buy almost anything who have a great attitude of interest without acrimony or ruthlessness. - Original Message - From: Vance Bass To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Reno, was a subject now banned Keith, it sounds like we were like-minded tinplate fans (when I was still active in the TCA). I still have some nice cast-iron wind-ups, and pre- WWII streamliners, which were my favorites. I finally got priced out of the trains I liked by people with unlimited budgets and ruthless attitudes. Certainly, there were plenty of friendly people who just liked classic toys, but the general atmosphere changed enough in the early 1980s that I bailed. Call me a wimp, I won't flinch. Accuse me of painting the whole lot with an overly broad brush, and I will sheepishly apologize to you and the other nice folks. Now that I have (relatively) big bucks I can spend on my hobby, I'd rather use them on live steam. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Survey is posted
Chuck, please put a note on the SitG discussion board, so anyone who's not on this list, but is demonstrably interested in small-scale live steam, can participate. The more responses, the better! regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Pine Creek RR/C-25
I have looked at this data (the online C-25 drawings which are fantastic) in the past as well as the various models on the market and the counter balances on our Quincy 6 just look larger. Much larger. As the wheels rotate the rods nearly touch the ground, say at a crossing. The counter weights as they come around almost do the same thing. I have read some place that this style locomotive was not used in snow and icy weather as it would derail itself as the weights came around. I believe it. I know similar engines are in Colorado, but I wonder what kind of ground clearance they have? Granted we will put new tires on the engine, but that will only give us maybe an inch increase in rod height. On our web site one of the pictures shows us doing tires for our Porter. (www.njmt.org) - Original Message - From: mart.towers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR/C-25 > > - Original Message - > From: "Vance Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: Pine Creek RR > > > > > but what is the outside frame job? > > > > Art, that's the Quincy & Torch Lake No. 6, one of the sisters to the > > Crystal River 103/D&RGW 375 (the C-25 class). > > > > regards, > > -vance- > > Too, too modest to mention your own work in cyberdocumenting the C-25 for > 1/20 scalers! > > Art > > > >
Any thing is prototypical!
I like the photo of a rod engine with a very long horizontal smoke stack that emptied exhaust over the tender. Obviously this was one method of trying to help engine crew breath less exhaust in tunnels. Remarks indicate firing the beast required a bit more effort because of the increased exhaust pressure due to the ninety degree elbow and long horizontal chimney. Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor Any thing is prototypical! Enjoy! J.R.
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
What you find is that nearly everything can be prototypical. I remember back years ago when I used to get Model RR magazine that they had a feature each month of things that in theory were "not prototypical" but they would show a picture of a real RR using that item. The one that sticks with me is the straight bridge with curved track on it. I think it was in Chicago some place. Engines under go change. Our shay looks like much different that it did the day it rolled out of Lima. The wood cab was replaced and it got a diamond stack, both required by law in the forests that it ran in. Our Irish engine was painted all sorts of colors, driven in part by politics of the North/South border region. She has also had three boilers, the last one installed in the late 1920s.Our #26 is on its second boiler also, replaced in 1925. The rear headlight on the 26 is mounted on top of the cab roof today, but it belongs under the roof according to pictures from Virginia. I broke the lens with a shovel handle and we moved it back up on top of the roof. BTW, we do have a radio controlled 55 ton GE as used by US Steel. So yes, radio control of your live steamers is prototypical also. No kidding. The locomotive is marked with "front" and "rear" markings so the operator knew which way he should go when on the ground operating it while in a fire suit in the mill. Any thing is prototypical! Enjoy! J.R. - Original Message - From: steve boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR > Harry wrote: > > > >>And I hate "cow catchers" > > > > I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle > > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox. > > But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!! > > What more excuse do you need? > > :-) > > - - Steve > > > >
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
Harry, You wrote: > >But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!! > >Steve > > But that didn't make it attractive. Petticoat Junction set the > public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?) Now on the > other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish it > from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of poseys > as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S > aesthetics for you! :-) Didn't someone once say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?" But the Brits weren't alone in extensive - one might say garish - ornament. The decorative aspects of mid-19th century American locomotives yield numerous examples as well! - - Steve
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
And add Acid Green pin Striping! Oh my imagination's eyes hurt! :-) Terry Griner Columbus Ohio >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/20/03 09:43AM >>> At 08:33 AM 3/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!! >Steve But that didn't make it attractive. Petticoat Junction set the public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?) Now on the other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish it from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of poseys as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S aesthetics for you! :-) Regards, Harry
Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
At 08:33 AM 3/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!! >Steve But that didn't make it attractive. Petticoat Junction set the public's image of locomotive aesthetics back 100 years.(?) Now on the other hand, paint a locomotive lilac purple, line and stripe and polish it from head to foot, hang the name of a town in brass and garlands of poseys as well as a gilt-edged portrait of 'er Majesty on it, now THERE'S aesthetics for you! :-) Regards, Harry
Survey is posted
Hi Folks, The survey is posted. If you would like to take part, please go to http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw and click on the survey link on the left side. When I get enough responses, I will post the results and then update it thereafter. Pass the word. I truly would like to see what my peers are doing and what they want from future live steam offerings. My Best, Chuck Charles W. Walters Twin Lakes Railway CEO http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
Re: Pine Creek RR
Hmmm, can you picture a shay without foot boards? Yuk! I have a picture of the Q&TL #6 with a pilot and it really looks odd, in part because the engine is so "fat" compared to the rails. The pilot takes on a "Hitler mustache" kind of look. At some point the 6 lost it, but not sure when or why. Any one have some full sized moose antlers for sale? > > And I hate "cow catchers" with a vengeance. > > Although the 6 had one at one time, it lost it at some point for a > hand some > > foot board. > > A "Cow Catcher" is not the thing.but a correct Pilot would not be > out of line at all! Not a cheapo deal made from angle iron, like the > 50's Daisy Picker lines used. But a correct from Baldwin drawings in Oak > would be very attractive. Not to mention that if the FRA were to ever > get jurisdiction, your foot boards would be goe in a blink! (OSHA > probably would faint if they saw foot boards! They have been gone from > Main line RR's for 30 years now)
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
Hold the phone there! I kind of like antlers! - Original Message - From: Harry Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR > At 07:23 PM 3/19/03 -0500, you wrote: > >>And I hate "cow catchers" > > I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox. > > Regards, > Harry > > >
Re: Odious practices was Pine Creek RR
Harry wrote: > >>And I hate "cow catchers" > > I feel sort of the same way about painted white stars on the axle > ends and moose antlers on the smokebox. But ... but ... the PROTOTYPE did it!! What more excuse do you need? :-) - - Steve
