Re: New Bio
jr: welcome aboard, but you're going to be the envy of the crowd ... firing prototypes is something the rest of us just dream about. thanks for joining and hope you find some of this useful. \dmc At 3:45 PM -0500 1/29/02, NJMT wrote: Just thought I'd throw on a short bio. (Feel like a new kid in school) Anyway, my name is J.R. May, residing in New Jersey, I have hung my hat at the 3' gauge Pine Creek Railroad/NJ Museum of Transportation since I was 11. Over the past 30 years I have spent a fair amount of time working on or running a Class B shay (Ely-Thomas #6) , a Baldwin 2-6-2 (SSS #26), a Stephenson 4-4-0T (Ireland, CL #3) or an assortment of diesels. Our members are currently restoring a 1912 Porter mogul.A partially complete 3/4 scale Atlantic resides in my home shop along with an antique 1/2 scale German 4 cylinder Atlantic. Dee (Keith Taylor brought it to my attention) sparked my interest in gauge 1 equipment, in part due to its English prototype. Please, if ever in NJ, feel free to contact me for a full tour of Pine Creek and perhaps a cab ride. Look forward to hearing from you all and building Dee. Thank you for you patience. J.R. May 732-295-8594 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: elevated plywood
Jon, list: As some of you are painfully aware, I too have been battling indecision on a variety of aspects of my elevated layout. While lately I have been obsessing about the use of Simpson connectors for 4x4s on the patio, I spent a bit of time over the last few months finding some stuff out. One of the first things that I encountered was the fact that marine plywood -- a common suggestion among those of whom I've badgered on the topic, both inside and outside the hobby, turns out to be expensive as hell (Jon found this out too). But I was turned on to something that is supposed to be almost as good at a much lesser price (though still twice what you'd pay for regular 4-ply fir): MDO. MDO stands for medium density overlay and it has just that -- an overlay of a chemically-treated paper on the outside of the multi-ply wood product. It is used mostly in sign-making (apparently all those real estate for sale signs you see are made with it) since it takes paint so well and in some concrete form-making applications where a smooth concrete wall is desired. My research indicates that a standard 4-ply piece of 3/4-inch, 4x8 fir plywood should retail for about $22; that same piece of plywood that's been pressure-treated (probably the minimum of what you'd want to do) would be about $41 and the MDO would be $55. The problem with MDO is that it is not a stock item (try asking for it at Home Depot and watch the puzzled looks you get) and you'll probably have to get it special ordered. (Personal aside to Jon: if you decide upon MDO, let us talk about ordering together.) Now, what to cover it with? The aesthetics police here have vetoed shingles or roofing material. I was reading STEAM IN THE GARDEN a few weeks back when I encountered an article by one James Crabb of Houston -- hey, he's on this list! -- indicating that a member of the Houston Live Steamers had built an elevated plywood layout and covered it with the same material that's used for pickup truck bed liner. The Houston Live Steamer in question is Steve Speck -- hey, he's on this list! -- and he and I exchanged a couple of e-mails and he sent me some pictures of his truck-bed-liner-covered track. I have taken the liberty of posting those at http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/mvc-006f1.jpg http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/mvc-008f.jpg While Steve had his material applied by a local dealer, I was interested in applying this material myself, which sent me on a quest to determine the best supplier of a similar material. While I may not have achieved that specific goal, I did find material that meets the aesthetics required (it comes in a gray color that's been approved) and, according to the manufacturer, will work just fine in this application (they even answered the what if I pour alcohol on it and then I light it? question without blinking). I'm reluctant to make a general recommendation of this supplier, as all I know about them is that they have a product and they answer their e-mail. And while I have no actual experience with this combination, everyone with whom I've spoken seems to think that this setup will be impervious to most any elemental problem thrown at it. \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 http://colegroup.com/P.O. Box 719, Pacifica, CA 94044-0719 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
RE: Greetings
At 10:16 AM -0400 8/20/01, Charles W. Walters wrote: The link is broken. try it again please ... http://www.45mm.com/events/gte-010630/ ... i realized after i posted the url that the reason i hadn't publicized it was that i hadn't finished it ... it still has a ways to go but while i was working on it i had to kill the directory (which is when you tried it, i bet). \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 http://colegroup.com/P.O. Box 719, Pacifica, CA 94044-0719 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: OT: Cement fastening ...
At 11:17 AM -0400 6/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is a carbide tipped bit, the quality is proportional to the price. If you are using Tapcon screws, use their bit. Ah yes ... I did use the blue Tapcon masonry screws and while I purchased a bit that was designed for use with Tapcon masonry screws, I did not actually purchase a Tapcon bit. At 11:17 AM -0400 6/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS A friend of mine that has a cast cement business uses a glue that works great. I put a circular retaining wall around a ligustrum tree and did not use any mortar. The caulk/glue is still holding. However, there is no freezing here to speak of. In Pacifica, Calif., the median temperature is 55 degrees; I've lived in the Bay Area my entire life and I can probably count the number of days the temperature has dropped below freezing in the last 47 years on both hands (well, I might need a toe or two). At 10:25 AM -0400 6/22/01, Jim Curry wrote: Most times those type of drills work better in an impact type pistol drill. and At 11:18 AM -0400 6/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also do not depend on this type of set up to hold much weight. I still am of old school and prefer the lag and lead sheild method for any kind of support. You can also get much better quality masonary bits with this type of set up. If you have a lot of holes to drill, you might consider renting a hammer drill and get the appropriate hammer bit; it will save you a lot of grief. I assume a hammer drill and an impact-type pistol drill are the same thing? Any positive experiences with specific products that anyone would like to share? \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 http://colegroup.com/P.O. Box 719, Pacifica, CA 94044-0719 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: hunslet site glass photo
i've posted this image at http://www.45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/spenceley010531.jpg \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 http://colegroup.com/P.O. Box 719, Pacifica, CA 94044-0719 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Extending Ruby's running time.
At 6:59 AM -0700 5/24/01, Kevin O'Connor wrote: The next step up on the skill level is to fabricate a new, larger, butane gas tank. One made from 1x1 1/2 square brass tubing is ideal, but it can also be made from 1x2 with a little cutting and two lap seams. Now we have some personal challenge (silver brazing), and a real opportunity to grow in the small scale live steam hobby. The gas tank in my personal Ruby allows for run times in the 40 to 60 minute range; depending on load and grade. kevin: two questions: *for those of us who are brazing-challenged, is there a commercial gas tank available that would fit? i believe roundhouse sells a cylindrical tank, but maybe it's too tall ... *on your 40-60-minute runs, how often are you using the goodall valve to top off the water? thanks. \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group F: (650) 557-9696 http://colegroup.com/P.O. Box 719, Pacifica, CA 94044-0719 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: kevin o'connor on steam oil
vance: to protect my honor, i've got to say that the page was moved ... nonetheless, if you go to the actual page, you miss the latest addition (this one on lubricating oil). so please use this url and scroll down a bit to see the headings of kevin's articles: http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/reference.htm \dmc At 4:19 PM -0600 4/23/01, VR Bass wrote: http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/page/notes/notes-steam%20oil.htm It looks like you have to access this page by starting at www.southernsteamtrains.com and working your way down through the Reference page. I got an access error when I cut and pasted the above URL. -vance- -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: COCR
At 11:25 AM -0400 4/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I guess that was a typo?) I use COC for all my track parts. typo is a strong term ... stretch's latest catalog has the e-mail address on the cover in the type face he uses for the logo ... whose ds and os look remarkably alike ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Hand laid track suplyes
At 9:46 AM +0100 4/20/01, Kevin Strong wrote: NOTE*** There are some tricks one needs to be aware of before heading out into the garden with these products, which will help tracklaying go that much easier. But, they are another sermon for another time. rev up that sermon, rev ... i've got a big box of ties, a big tube of track and a big backyard just sitting there ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Hand laid track suplyes
At 11:39 AM +0100 4/20/01, Kevin Strong wrote: If you're building track on a raised steam-up track, then you may find it easier to work with the strips. A wood table against which to work the tie strips may be a lot easier to deal with. Experiment, play, and if you get frustrated, pull out a steamer, and run it on what you have down already. It will get your sap rising to finish the job in short order. Thanks for the tutorial. Interestingly, all the things that make it easier will be here ... raised track, 215 rail ... I've just about finished the engineering on the raised part of the track -- modifying ideas from Kevin O'Connor, Mike Martin, Tony Dixon, even Gary Broeder -- and hope to get started on the steamup bay in the next few weeks. Still hard at work converting a corner of the garage into a workshop. Again, thanks. \dmc ps: oh, and it's 50 degrees here in calif and it's *cold* ;-) ... -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: Hand laid track suplyes
At 9:11 PM +0100 4/20/01, Susan Parker wrote: Do COC have email/web site? [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-541-582-4104 \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: PCLS steamup at Tony's (SF Bay Area)
At 3:10 PM -0700 4/20/01, Jonathan Bloom wrote: Who ordered this weather anyway? For those of you not in the Bay Area, the sky opened up a little while ago and torrents of water fell out ... As a life-long Bay Area resident, I can tell you it *does not* rain in April ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Talk Free Online and Win a Trip to Cancun!
folks: oops. sorry about that. i'm dealing with the problem. thanks for your patience. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: TRACKS AHEAD (was: O.T. Garden Railway on TV)
when i pumped the phrase "tracks ahead" into google the other day, it brought me to the "tracks ahead home page," which seems to have been dormant since 1997. wandering around, it's clear that the show was produced by milwaukee public television and sponsored by kalmbach, walthers and kato. my guess is that your local public television station has the opportunity to purchase the use of the series (there appear to be about 50 episodes) from one of the public tv distribution systems anytime it would like. but all the episodes are available on video tape -- $160 for the lot of them. point your browser at http://www.mptv.org/store.htm \dmc At 7:31 AM -0400 4/16/01, Casey Sterbenz wrote: In the Washington, DC area, Tracks Ahead used to be carried by the Howard University PBS station. I haven't been able to find it for several years. Does anybody in the DC-Baltimore area know where/if it is still being broadcast locally? -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: RCS/PCM
At 8:54 AM -0400 4/14/01, Ferdinand wrote: I take it the RCS system requires powered rails - doesn't this defeat the purpose of Live Steaming. actually, the rail is used as the antennae, not as the power source ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: O.T. Garden Railway on TV
At 1:43 PM -0400 4/12/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 01-04-11 22:02:34 EDT, you write: If anyone has trouble figuring out which show it is I would be happy to ask my sister. Please do and post it for us here. My wife is addicted to HG TV so I would have no trouble watching it as opposed to the old war movies that I like. Salty i've been trying the hgtv web site all morning and it has been down ... i finally figured out a way to get around the dead home page and here is the info: Whistle Stop Gardens Garden railroading is a hobby that mixes the beauty of a garden with the love of miniature trains. In this program, the viewer will see great garden railroads from all across America. Some of these railroads feature lush green forests, some are highlighted by spectacular miniature rock gardens, and some feature really cool trains. This is the fastest growing segment of the model-train hobby, with estimates indicating that participation has doubled in the past four years. Air Times Apr 15, 2001 5:00p EST and hgtv has only one satellite feed, so that's 2 pm pacific time; it's an hour-long show. verducci has said that it 10 different railroads will be highlighted -- that'll be four minutes a railroad. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Pictures
Thanks for jumping into the breech, Mike; nonetheless, I have finally done my duty: http://www.p-c-l-s.com/steamups/broeder010331/ For you PCLS members, I have made some extensive changes to the site ... added reports from a bunch of steamups from the 1990s and did some other housekeeping ... drop by: http://www.p-c-l-s.com/ \dmc ps: i've modified the color logo once again ... now it matches the colors a certain railroad in the southern pacific part of the country used most often ... -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
kevin o'connor on steam oil
all hands: kevin o'connor has posted an interesting treatise on steam oil and its selection. you can view it at: http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/page/notes/notes-steam%20oil.htm \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: New roster ...
At 6:12 PM -0800 3/29/01, David M. Cole wrote: http://45mm.com/sslivsteam/users/ folks: mike is right --- I mistyped the URL above and because of some technical problems did not get a chance to try it out before i published it. sorry for the inconvenience. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
New roster ...
all hands: i was sitting here waiting for some of my minions to turn in work and decided it would be a good idea to dump out a new roster. as always, if you don't like your name there or want you hometown listed or want to provide a picture of yourself, just holler. there are approximately 170 people on the list now, with about 30 of them preferring anonymity. http://45mm.com/sslivsteam/users/ \dmc -- *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: SuperHeater project pictures
At 1:35 PM -0500 3/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aristocraft may have tightened up their tolerances around the piston rods to cure the problem. aristo-craft, accucraft ... whatever ;-) \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: question re : milling
At 5:16 PM -0800 3/16/01, hkelsey wrote: Dremel cutters will flex and vibrate on the heavier cuts you would take on a drill press. are there any thoughts on the dremel drill-press adapter? is it worth the investment? or should one just save pennies up for a 1/4-inch, full-scale drill press? \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Pre-production pictures
folks: falling into the "better late than never" category are pictures from last week's bay area garden railway society's annual meeting, where accucraft showed two new live steam engines (which weren't operated) and the much-discussed c-16, which was operated. the images are available at http://45mm.com/ppm/ thanks. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
List notes ...
gang: please take note of these items from the guidelines (http://45mm.com/sslivesteam_guide.html): *Keep postings as short as possible. People are flooded with information every day. If you want to be noticed, much less heard, you need to keep it brief. *If you include quoted material, EDIT IT RUTHLESSLY. Pass along the smallest amount necessary for context. Please do NOT simply leave it stuck to the end of your message, since this REALLY screws up the digest's users. Edit, edit, edit! (Please note the prohibition about copyrighted material below.) *Make it as easy as possible for people to read your message and people will. Putting a little time into cleaning things up before you send your missive can mean the difference between silence and getting the answer you need. (This cleanup also distinguishes a good 'Net citizen from a 'Net slob.) In general, the harder your message is to read, the less likely the person with the answer to your question will bother to respond. *In posting an item, keep the "Subject" line relevant. If the topic changes, change the subject. If you are a digest reader, CHANGE the subject to the appropriate subject. (If you don't, all we will see is "Re: sslivesteam Digest ...," which is meaningless, and which many readers don't bother to read.) Take a little time -- make the "Subject" line useful. also, please keep the guidelines handy and review them periodically. thanks. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
List issues ...
gang: i know that there is a problem with repeats of messages from last week. the problem, though, is that i'm traveling and do not have the time right now to investigate the problem. i would appreciate it if everyone could bear with the situation until i can get the time to fix it. also, both mike martin and i made pictures of the accucraft shay at bagrs on saturday and i will post them when i have an opportunity. thanks for your patience. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Updated roster
All hands: It's been quite a while since I updated the roster (see http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/users/). We have 150 people on the listserv now; of course, not all are on the roster. If you aren't listed on the roster and would like to be, send me e-mail with your full name as you wish to be listed and your city, state and country. If you have provided a biography to the list and there isn't a link, please find your biography at http://www.mail-archive.com/sslivesteam%40colegroup.com/ and send me the link. If you haven't provided a biography, please put one together to introduce yourself to your fellow list members. Mug shots are always welcome -- send them directly to me. Thanks. -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: San Diego GRS Website
At 12:42 PM -0800 3/5/01, M. Paterson wrote: Can anyone point me to the San Diego Garden Railroad Society website? Was sdgrs.com but that now answers as a no find. It appears they neglected to pay their bill and have been off-line since Feb. 26. \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Accucraft speculation
At 3:13 PM -0700 3/5/01, VR Bass wrote: Suppose they might be working on a Shay? If that drawing is it, then it's going to be a pretty little thing. i was awfully certain that i read somewhere that accucraft was going to do a shay and i looked around and finally found the reference: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/steam/steammfr.htm but then, maybe that makes this a circular rumor ;-) ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: SitG Website OK
At 4:02 PM -0800 3/2/01, Dr. Robert M. Blackson wrote: After several "Forbidden" experiences, I accessed the SitG website on March 1 at about 9:00 PM Eastern. I had had the same "Forbidden" problem earlier in the day with the Rio Pecos website, but I was able to access it through SitG in the evening. just fyi, there were technical problems at the steamup.com web provider -- which includes a variety of sites of suppliers -- until around 6 California time last nite. richard got the problems resolved once he got home from his "real" job last night. but all is well now. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ \
Re: Steamup.com
At 9:29 AM -0800 3/1/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is up with the Steam in the Garden web site. It will not let me access anything. I get the message FORBIDDEN you do not have access-? Salty i thought it was just me ... if others can't get in as well, i suspect that richard's isp is having problems ... these notes will probably get richard's attention, and i bet it won't take him long to get the isp's attention. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: SF bay area BAGRS steamup?
At 10:00 AM -0800 3/1/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, How may one join the BAGRS ? Charlie Yost San Diego glad you asked ... the signup form is on the web at http://www.bagrs.org/Membership.htm (if you're retyping, note that the M must be a capital). Thirty-five bucks and you get the best newsletter in the garden railway world ;-) ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Steamup.com
i spoke too fast ... it appears that richard isn't getting e-mail either ... i'll rustle up his phone number and give him a call ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Forney kit information
At 4:02 PM -0800 3/1/01, VR Bass wrote: (That's how Dave likes it) you betcha ;-) ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: SF bay area BAGRS steamup?
At 5:50 PM -0800 2/28/01, Gary Broeder wrote: Do any CA folk know if the steamup layout will be at the BAGRS meeting in March? Glad you asked ... Current members of BAGRS are welcome to come run their steam engines on the BAGRS oval at group's annual meeting, March 9-10 in beautiful downtown Foster City, Calif. The event will be held at the Crowne Plaza Hotel. For registration information, point your browser at http://www.bagrs.org/Annual_reg.htm Harlan Barr will be setting up on Friday afternoon if you want to help -- and we have a rather limited amount of time to tear down on Saturday afternoon, so many hands at that time will be helpful (bring your Allen set to take apart the rail clamps). But note that word "current" ... I just sent out the March issue of TRELLIS TRESTLE with more than 100 names of people who haven't renewed their BAGRS membership yet ... strikingly, many of those names are members of this list ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
autocad files ...
all hands: as i have said in the past about pictures, i am happy to post autocad files to the server for downloading by the group. if you are interested in jim curry's "weekend project" axle-pump drawing, it is available here: http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/files/aweekendproject.dwg.zip for those who do not have autocad but would still like to download and print jim's drawings, you need to have windows (blech) 98, nt or 2000, internet explorer 5.1 or greater, stuffit expander and autodesk's volo view express plug-in. if you need the first two, you're on your own. to get the latest stuffit expander (freeware), point your browser at http://www.aladdinsys.com/downloads/ (i had to upgrade my copy of expander and found that the aladdin ftp site worked better than the http download.) to get volo view express (freeware), point your browser at http://www3.autodesk.com/adsk/section/0,,163255-123112,00.html warning: volo view express is a 20 megabyte download and will probably take about half an hour with a regular modem. once you've installed these two applications, you can double-click on the "aweekendproject.dwg.zip" file and it will decompress. then double-click on the "aweekendproject" file (it has a red icon) and volo view express will launch and display the drawing. for those who would find this too complicated, unfortunately the drawing is awfully complex and requires more than just a "screen shot." if there is a lot of interest in getting a jpeg of this, i could piece one together, but it would take me some time, which i don't want to invest unless there is interest. whew. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Latest issue of SitG
Below is a note from Ron Brown, who is not a list member but wanted to address an issue that's been raised ... At 5:10 AM -0800 2/14/01, Bill Burgess wrote: Doug: I thought we were supposed to get six Mags a year, 2000 I only received four. Hey, Guys... Sorry that we're not more timely with our publication schedule. I try my best, but we're just a mom pop shop, and when one of us gets sick, falls down, has to take a tripor if, heaven forbid, the computer equipment goes belly up, there's no one to take up the slack. We do deliver 6 issues per subscription, though unfortunately not always all 6 in every 12-month period. Currently I'm working on #59, which will contain the Diamondhead 2001 report plus some other interesting goodies. If all goes well, it should be mailed in early March. Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for your patience and understanding. Ron Marie Brown
Re: Picayune Shay
At 7:21 AM -0800 2/7/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who live on the west coast or will be visiting this summer for the garden railways convention. There are several Shays on display in the northwest a couple even in operation. let us not forget the *two* shays at roaring camp and big trees in the santa cruz mountains (not to mention a climax and a heisler). in the summertime, rcbt is open seven days a week and between mid-june and early september runs four trains a day (five on weekends). btw, the company is looking for a steam locomotive repair foreman and a steam locomotive mechanic. "must have background in all areas of steam locomotive repair, boiler maintenance, piping, welding and machine work." normal not-affiliated disclaimer. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Oh to see the Britannia!
At 1:14 PM -0800 2/4/01, Anthony Dixon wrote: See photo of my Britannia which I forwarded in response to the original email request, "where can I see a photo of the G1 Britannia etc." There are also pictures made *just yesterday* of Tony's Britannia at: http://www.p-c-l-s.com/steamups/dixon010203/ \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Ruby Tender
In a message dated 01/27/01 9:58:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did you get your maxitrak tender, Sulphur Springs? It sounds like it would do the trick and I like the idea of the added weight. At 7:29 AM -0800 1/29/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 01/27/01 12:50:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? Yes. Got carried away trying to go through 400 plus messages in too short a time. Sorry for the confusion. Marklin/Maxi is sold in the U.S. by a variety of hobby shops -- I have encountered the rolling stock at two stores in California. The equipment is also sold over the Internet at http://www.eurorailhobbies.com I cite this particular site because he is importing the live steam Marklin and he needs to be encouraged ... ;-) ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Ruby Tender
At 10:54 AM -0800 1/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use a metal maxitrack. Looks good and the additional weight helps the sound effects as well. Jim: Do you mean Marklin/Maxi? \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Characters??
At 10:24 AM -0800 1/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several times in the past few months these characters have appeared in messages. To all you computer experts what the h--- are they?? Salty: Some e-mail clients add these angle-brackets to show quoted material in a reply. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Characters??
At 11:38 AM -0800 1/26/01, William F. Kaiser wrote: nbsp is HTML for no break space. I think it adds spaces between lines without causing a paragraph break. of course, the nbsp; didn't show up on my mail client ... a "no break space" in html lingo is a space that cannot be used to break a line. Note when I type this long paragraph, each line "wraps" around the margin magically. If there were nbsp; between each word, then there would be no line wrapping. and, just to be 100 percent accurate, nbsp; does not take brackets ... it is an entity (as defined by the ampersand and the semi-colon), not a command (defined by the angle-brackets). now you know way more than you had bargained for ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web List: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Characters??
At 1:23 PM -0800 1/26/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever figure out who those old characters were that were trying to pass themselves off as you and I at DH01? Nope. But I'm glad someone noticed it wasn't me. ;-) ... \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Britannia
At 11:05 AM -0800 1/24/01, Geoff Spenceley wrote: we are not allowed to trade on sslivesteam not so. only commercial sales pitches are forbidden. swaps or person-to-person sales are ok by me. or discuss the larger gauges, so. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
RE: Northeast Steam-up
At 7:00 AM -0800 1/20/01, Peter Foley wrote: At 06:08 AM 20/01/01 -0500, Chuck Walters wrote: Perhaps early to mid May (away from the club open house). Let's not mess up the guys who already have something scheduled for early May in St. Louis! Chuck: Peter is right ... think fall ... dh in the winter, st louie in the spring, calif in the summer and pa in the fall ... a full-scale steamup once every three months ... that would do the trick ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Gas - the other kind
At 3:30 PM -0800 1/19/01, Phil. Paskos wrote: There is no need to reinvent the wheel here. Use other resources to help yourselves out. Try http://home.att.net/~livesteam/A-photo.htm .Scroll to the bottom of the page and read the coal comparison tests. That's an inaccurate link ... try this one http://trainweb.org/ovlsme/steamcoal.html \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Punching simulated rivets
At 3:04 PM -0800 1/19/01, "VR Bass" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using a CAD program like this also makes laying out really fast. You draw one circle at the right distance from the edge, then array it at the right spacing. Once you have one array, you only have to copy it to other locations on the sheet. You can lay out all the rivets on a complex sheet in a matter of a few minutes. i have had great success in recent months using quark xpress, adobe indesign and adobe illustrator as cad programs. all allow for similar "array" functions. i haven't used adobe pagemaker or macromedia freehand in years, but i suspect they would work as well. these programs are graphic arts oriented, but can do the job and are more readily available (for example, kinkos doesn't have a cad program on its computers, but it has both xpress and illustrator). \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Displacement lubricator size increase?
At 10:23 AM -0800 1/16/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we all have fun or what?? (I missed the Bud-girls all together) Salty: i believe this "bud-girl" thing is what the sociologists call an "urban myth." i was there from thursday night until monday morning and i never saw or heard anything about "bud-girls" until it popped up on this list. now, far be it from me to accuse someone so trustworthy as mr. vance r. bass hisself of, um, stretching the truth, but there were enough cameras and videocams that if there *had* been "bud-girls" someone -- even a distracted live steamer -- would have exposed a little film or rearranged a few digital bits to capture such a scene. even then, of course, we all know that today photos don't prove anything any more. why, on the steamup.com web site there is a picture purported to be of me running "his roundhouse." as i am a svelte, 25-year-old, clean-shaven blond and own a roundhouse argyle -- not a roundhouse billy -- this obviously is not me and must be some sort of photo-illustration. the billy in front of that guy looks suspiciously like the "pamella" that was once owned by mike martin and is now in the posession of kevin o'connor. but if i were to continue in this vein, i would be violating my own list rules about humor (or humour, for geoff, tony dixon and all those on the other side of the pond), because, for the unenlightened, i'm kidding. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 On the road again ... *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ m
more pix
steamers: more diamondhead pix now reside on the web site http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/dh01/ this is a "blind" url -- there are no external links to it. i'll keep it that way for a while and after we've worked all the "bugs" out of my identification, writing and spelling, i'll put the link on the main sslivesteam page. as always: your corrections and clarifications are appreciated. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Frank S parts?
At 12:56 PM -0800 1/12/01, Gary Lane wrote: I wasn't clear I guess. The tubing is fine. No leaks in the tubing. The brass fittings that screw onto the tender and boiler leak butane. I need new brass couplings that do not leak. Gary: You should also check with Kevin O'Connor (who is also at DH) if Bob Paule doesn't have the item in stock. It should be a fairly common Aster item and relatively easy to find from Aster dealers (Hyde Mountain, etc.). Kevin O'Connor Unit Shop 916-447-5433 \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
RE: Quiet list
Folks: I am at DH, with computer and camera and hope to have some pix posted on the web site tomorrowish. As can only happen to a semi-professional techie, I lost a salient cable during my trip here and await FedEx's arrival tomorrow with a replacement. And yes, it is a little cool here ... makes me wish I had brought my bomber jacket or topcoat. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
National Summer Steamup -- July 27-29, 2001
PRESS RELEASE For more information, contact PCLS at (916) 447-5433. January 2, 2001 SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The Pacific Coast Live Steamers, a loosely organized group of practitioners of the art of small-scale live steam train operation, has announced that the National Summer Steamup will be July 27-29, 2001 in Sacramento, Calif. Small scale live steam engines are modeled in scales from 1:13 to 1:32 and run on tracks that are either 32mm or 45mm wide. They are propelled by steam generated in small, safe boilers, using butane, alcohol or coal for heat. Called the "Sacramento 49er Special," the cost of attending the event will be $49 and the room rate at the hotel will be $49 a night, including continental breakfast. The National Summer Steamup will be held at the Canterbury Inn in Sacramento, which can be contacted by voice at (916) 927-0927 or by fax at (916) 641-8594. The hotel is located at 900 Canterbury Road. Room registrations are separate from event registration. Featuring three live steam tracks -- a newly built 110-foot portable track with 10-foot radius curves and one 45mm track and one 45mm and 32mm dual-gauged track, a second 50-foot dual-gauged track with eight-foot curves and a 50-foot 32mm track -- the steamup will include workshops, visits to the nearby California State Railroad Museum, optional trips on local prototypical steam railways as well as a Saturday night pool-side barbeque. This event replaces the National Spring Steamup organized over the last six years by Richard Finlayson. At last year's event, Finlayson -- a San Jose, Calif., hobbyist, supplier and the web master of STEAM IN THE GARDEN magazine's web site -- passed the responsibility for organizing a West Coast steamup to the PCLS group, of which is he a founder. The general superintendent of the event is Kevin O'Connor, a longtime small scale live steam hobbyist who is based in Sacramento and considered a top authority on the hobby. The track superintendent and raffle manager is Mike Martin, a Redwood City, Calif., resident who is the designer of the Project Loco, an inexpensive "starter" small scale live steamer that uses readily available parts to introduce people to the hobby. For more information on the National Summer Steamup, contact PCLS at (916) 447-5433, write P.O. Box 161631, Sacramento, Calif. 95816, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit the group's web site at www.p-c-l-s.com. ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: sslivesteam-Digest - Number 321
At 7:32 AM -0800 12/29/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: sslivesteam-Digest - Number 321 In a message dated 12/29/00 3:01:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my reading I recall the bumble bee was thought too heavy for its wings given the previously understood pattern of wing motion. And our steam engine takes advantage of this little known fact somehow ? This refers back to a Wednesday message that SaltyChief sent to Susan to illustrate that she should try some engine designs that conventional wisdom would suggest would not work. Then the whole thing degenerated into a discussion of whether this "too heavy" idea was an urban myth or not. Which, says the List Mom, is why we sometimes need think: is this message entirely on topic? Is this something that someone reading the digest might not understand (since we're not all in the "interactive" mode)? \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Machine Oil
At 7:38 PM -0800 12/19/00, Clark Lord wrote: I get mine at the Grainger store here in town. But it is their catalog number 4ZF11 @ $1.62 for 4 fl. oz. A single bottle will last two seasons. The nicest feature is the flexible spout. I bought my bottle at my local Ace Hardware Store ... Clark was very impressed when I pulled it out at NSS last spring ... \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
RE: egroups small_scale_steam_models
At 10:35 AM -0800 12/9/00, Charles W. Walters wrote: I respectively disagree. Small Scale Live Steam is a great list and resource, but lacks one thing; the ability to post directly in email messages. I for one like that feature. If for no other reason than that, this is a good list to have as well as ssls. just my humble opinion. OK, so this starts me thinking ... There are three reasons I have chosen to prevent attachments to be sent to the list: *The belief that most people have a low-bandwidth connection and may wish to download the picture later (when rates are lower or they may just have more time to download large files). *The belief that as a list member, you should have the right to control what large files you receive. If everyone can post to the list, then the poster controls what you download, not the receiver. *Attachments really trash digests. Specifically, the "no attachments" rule prevents HTML-encoded e-mail from being distributed on the list and HTML-encoded messages in a digest are horrible. A corollary to this is that HTML-encoded e-mail makes the archives look bad too. Now, I am not going to take an offical vote here or anything (insert recount joke here), but if I get a sense that the list wishes to allow attachments, I will reconsider that ban. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
OT: Housekeeping notes
All hands: I have made a couple of minor changes to the list charter -- added the information about how to set your account to inactive, added a few words on attempted humor on mailing lists -- and it is available for all to see: http://45mm.com/sslivesteam_guide.html \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: egroups small_scale_steam_models
At 12:03 PM -0800 12/8/00, Bruce Gathman wrote: And once a member sends you a photo how do the rest of us see it? I post a link. The picture "archive" (such as it is) resides at http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/ which also has a link on my home page. Should it get more extensive, I could easily build a directory from which users could browse. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Scale Gauge Controversy
At 7:08 AM -0800 12/5/00, Jim Curry wrote: Hmmm, seems we had this discussion about the same time last year. Must be the scent of fresh cut pine in the air Nah, it's the impending Diamondhead. We all want to bring something that will make the others go "Oooh-ahh." Not to be the list mom or anything, but let's wrap this one up. I think that all that can be said has been said -- short of a supplier coming onto the list saying, "I'll build anything you want and sell it to you cheap." And I'm not worried that will happen. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Marklin?
At 11:38 AM -0800 12/4/00, James S. Burns, Jr. wrote: I run some of their metal "toy" cars behind an Aster Glaskasten, and it looks OK to me. I believe they could sell more cars if they'd make 'em. I have been unhappy with the look of LGB DR (German) cars behind my Frank S and have spent a couple hours on the Marklin web site as well as visiting a couple of Marklin dealers to look at what they have. I've picked out a couple of cars that I think will be good lookers for the Frank and passed a list along to Santa. I also put in an order with EuroRail for the DR 8962 ... I just couldn't resist ... \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: DROP IT! (was Unpleasantness...)
At 9:36 AM -0800 12/3/00, VR Bass wrote: Let's drop it now. -vance- (interim list mom -- no appeals to higher courts) Mom is back and he agrees with Interim Mom. Let's move on ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
OT: AOL users beware
All hands: If you are not a user of AOL or don't anticipate using your AOL account to post messages to the SSLIVESTEAM list, then you can quietly kit the DELETE key and move on. For those of you who *are* users of AOL and wish to post messages to the list, we have some mixed blessings. AOL has decided, in its infinite wisdom, to include HTML-encoded e-mail as the standard transmission method in its new version, 6.0. From some research done by Keith Taylor (thanks, Keith), which I have confirmed elsewhere, it appears that HTML-encoded e-mail is not an option (as it is with Microsoft Outlook or Netscape Communicator), but is the only way mail is sent. There is no option for "plain text" messages in AOL 6. For list posters, the problem is that our list server treats HTML-encoded e-mail as though it were an attachment, and because we have so many computer neophytes on the list, I have it set so that nobody can accidentially send a 3 megabyte attached picture that maybe you don't want (or that might clog your modem for two hours or thereabouts). So, with the list software set up so that you are unable to send attachments and HTML-encoded e-mail by default being an attachment, people who upgrade to AOL 6 will not be able to post to the list. (Just ask Keith.) Now that I've outlined the problem, here are three solutions, two that I know will work and one that I think will work: *Don't upgrade to AOL 6. I can't speak to what features you might be missing, but it is certainly an option. *Get an e-mail address at one of the "free" e-mail services such as Hotmail.com or Yahoo.com, ask me to move your account to the new service and use your browser to access the list and post replies via one of these services. *Here's the one I'm not sure about, but you *should* be able to access your AOL e-mail on your AOL browser. I just tried it with the version on my machine -- 4.0 for Macintosh -- and it had a security problem because of an "expired certificate," but I suspect that a new version of the AOL browser wouldn't have that problem. So, you could monitor the list with AOL 6 as normally, but when you wanted to post, you'd have to go to the browser, visit the www.aol.com web site, put in your user and password and then use the browser to post a message. Whew. Anyway, if this confuses the hell out of you, I'm sorry. Sometimes technology companies make unilateral decisions without thinking them through, impacting a significant portion of their users; this appears to be one of those situations. Personal mail to me if you want to discuss this, as it is definitely not about steam trains, small-scale or not. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Tanks
At 1:45 PM -0800 11/18/00, Sam Evans wrote: I will try to find photos of wing tanks and inverted saddle tanks. Does this list have a site where they could be posted? E-mail them to me personally and I'll put them up. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Argyle Bantom.
At 10:05 AM -0800 11/9/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure would save me a lot of time trying to fabricate my own. Isn't Norm Saley making and selling Ruby diamond stacks? \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: diamond stack (was Argyle Bantom.)
At 10:52 AM -0800 11/9/00, VR Bass wrote: Anyway, the diamond spark arrestor is a cool item, and would look great with other backdating details like a peaked-roof cab and a wood pilot. (Ahem.) Hmm. Where would we get those kinds of details, Vance? ;-) \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
FYI ...
All hands: Buried amongst the election hoo-ha in today's SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE is a profile of garden railroaders, including Jack Verducci, the president of BAGRS. It's not a bad story, even if it does confine itself to sparkies ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/11/08/HO 115753.DTL \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: FYI ...
At 10:25 AM -0800 11/8/00, lparnell wrote: Try: http://www.sfgate.com/homeandgarden/ Yes, but that will only be active for the week ... the URL I sent is permanent. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Re: Mikado, minimum radius
At 8:34 AM -0700 10/24/00, Peter Trounce wrote: I don't know any Aster which will not go happily round 9 foot radius We're days away from beginning construction on the Grand Teton Everglades ... what engines will be prevented from using an eight-foot radius? Thanks. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^
Whistle while you work
Gang: At the Truckee Railroad Days in early September the BAGRS Live Steam group (Harlan Barr) set up the oval and there were a couple of days of nice steaming. A fellow contacted the club and asked if he could bring his Aster Light Mikado to run -- he had built it from a kit and never run it before. For personal reasons, he had to liquidate it and wanted to run it once before he sold it. This fellow -- his name is Lon Brunken -- was running the Mikado when I arrived at the oval and it wasn't running well. After fiddling with it, though, he got it going and it made some nice laps on the oval. While Brunken was following it on one lap, he reached into the cab and out came the greatest whistle sound I had ever heard on a small-scale live steamer. Brunken said that he had made the whistle himself and it was really quite easy. If he were interested in making more, Harlan and I said, we thought we knew one or two other people who might like a good whistle. Earlier this week Brunken posted a note in the "swap shop" section of the Steam in the Garden web site http://www.steamup.com/ saying that he is now taking whistle orders. I am not affiliated with Brunken and until Sept. 9 hadn't ever met him. But I think we should all contact him and get him to build us whistles while he's in the mood. You can reach him at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. \dmc PS: He says he doesn't have whistle valves -- a significant missing component. Any ideas what could be used? *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ ^
Updated roster
All hands: It's been quite a while since I updated the roster (see http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/users/). We have 141 people on the listserv now; of course, not all are on the roster. If you aren't listed on the roster and would like to be, send me e-mail with your full name as you wish to be listed and your city, state and country. If you have provided a biography to the list and there isn't a link, please find your biography at http://www.mail-archive.com/sslivesteam%40colegroup.com/ and send me the link. If you haven't provided a biography, please put one together to introduce yourself to your fellow list members. Mug shots are always welcome -- send them directly to me. Thanks. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Old #201
At 6:19 PM -0700 10/6/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I send the pictures to your E-mail address? Yes. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
Cat's away ...
Folks: I'm taking a week off from work, computers and, dare I say it, trains. With no computers, I will be unable to monitor the list. I have entrusted the decorum of the sslivesteam list to Vance Bass, who has been given orders to keep all mice in line. I'll enjoy coming back from a nice rest to see a lot of smart, relevant messages (or at least relevant). Talk to you all in a week. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
How wide should I make the right-of-way?
Folks: Well, we're beginning the preliminary plan stages in the construction of the Grand Teton Everglades. The live steam layout will be an integral part of a new 20-foot-by-20-foot deck, which, including space in the backyard, should give us about 200 feet of track in a modified dogbone, with eight-foot radius curves (in the event somebody wants to run someting big -- at least bigger than the Ruby or the Cricket or the Frank). But I was thinking today: what about expansion (you always have to plan for expansion even if it doesn't ever happen)? I think I'd like to run a second set of tracks *inside* the dogbone. The question becomes, how wide of a space will I need for four 45mm tracks? Obviously even I can do the arithmetic on how much space the track will take, but how much side-bearings should I give each track? In other words, how wide should I make the right-of-way when there are four tracks, side-by-side? Your thoughts are appreciated. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
October steamup in Denver
Folks: For the good of the order, I present a portion of a message that came to me from Marc Horovitz, Vance's new boss. I think we should send some sslivesteam people to this, just to set Marc straight about Vance (just joking). As an aside, we've just set the date for the 20th Annual Sidestreet Banneerworks Small Scale Steamup. It's October 21-22 in Denver. If you, or anyone you know, would be interested in attending, have them send me an e-mail. I'll put their name on the update list and, as the time grows closer, I'll be sending out more info, directions, hotel info, etc. Don't respond to me; send to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
Re: OT: RE RE etc. Steamup timing WAS Re: PCLS web site up ...
At 9:47 AM -0700 8/30/00, Richard Finlayson wrote: Finally, you will likely agree with me that in many cases the written word does not convey the meaning as well as a real conversation with all the verbal/non-verbal cues that go with it. Agreed. Having spoken to Richard about this previously, I should have pointed out that he is probably the first one willing to make compromises on this issue. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ o
OT: Re: Steamup timing WAS Re: PCLS web site up ...
Richard: I think you have accurately outlined the situation from your perspective -- these are all valid points. Since Kevin doesn't believe this Internet thing is going to catch on, allow me to attempt to summarize his thoughts (fyi, don't shoot the messenger here; I don't necessarily agree with Kevin but I am trying to get his points across, as I think they are valid too): *We know that what a hotel charges for a ballroom in the S.F. Bay Area is outrageous, yet we want the venue to be in a hotel, so that people can easily access the tracks night and day. *In the May timeframe, it's difficult in general to find a hotel willing to turn over a ballroom to a bunch of steam freaks; they can get more money from a big wedding. So even when a hotel is found willing to host the event, it usually wants the group out ASAP. *Under the assumption that things are cheaper the further you are from the S.F. Bay Area, Kevin sought out prices at Sacramento hotels (he lives in Sacramento). His findings were that hotels in the state capitol have a premium on their ballroom facilities 10 months of the year. Those lobbyists are buttering up your legislators (and mine) with fine parties most every weekend and the hotel not only makes money on renting the room, it makes money on the catering. Lastly, believe it or not, hotel ballrooms in Sacramento are *more expensive* than in the Bay Area because of the high demand for such facilities. *But, the legislature takes a summer vacation in July and August. Therefore, Kevin started talking to hotels about a July date. He says he has found a hotel in Sacramento that will offer its "conference center" (one large room and two smaller ones) for free as long as the group guarantees at least 150 room-nights (that would be 50 people staying three nights or 75 people staying two nights or some mixture thereof). In addition this hotel -- which Kevin describes as clean but a little shopworn around the edges -- will charge $49 a night for rooms. This reasoning leads Kevin to believe that a July date would be good. If I have characterized Kevin's statements in any way incorrectly, I would appreciate someone setting it straight. I should point out that as Kevin made these arguments, no one brought up most of the issues you have raised in your note. \dmc PS: Though this topic is a little far afield for this list, I think many will find it interesting. I have labeled this message "OT," which stands for "off-topic." If you don't want to read this thread, please just delete anything with this subject line. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ x
Re: PCLS web site up ...
At 10:39 AM -0700 8/28/00, Richard Finlayson wrote: Hadn't heard that the National Spring Steamup was being renamed the National Summer Steamup... All I know is what El Presidente tells me ... ;-) ... \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
PCLS web site up ...
Pacific Coast Live Steamers: The web site is finally up and running. Point your browsers toward http://www.p-c-l-s.com/ Two kinds of e-mail lists will be set up; an announcement list and a talk list (like this one). Visit the web site often. \dmc ^^^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ Webconductor: Pacific Coast Live Steamers http://p-c-l-s.com/ ^^^
Re: Last year's messages??
At 4:51 AM -0700 8/26/00, David J. Krause wrote: I must have missed something. Why are we getting messages from last year's digests? David Krause It's a long story ... do you want the gory details or should I just cut to the chase? I'll cut to the chase: all those on digest are getting two kinds of messages -- the first few are from about a year ago; the ones at the end are the previous days'. I know what the problem is and I know how to fix it, but it's going to take a couple of hours of hand-work that I just haven't been able to squeeze into my schedule. I'll get it fixed as soon as I can. Sorry for the inconvenience. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ i
Re: First run!
At 12:55 PM -0700 8/21/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but it ran! And it ran well! There is nothing better than a first run. Except maybe the second, third, fourth, etc. runs ... ;-) ... \dmc ^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ ^
Newie needs steam oil
Gang: Over on the www.steamup.com mesage board I found this yesterday: i need steam oil fast for my ruby please e-mail me back I sent him the sulphur springs aol address, but assuming he wanted to run his Ruby *right now* (can't imagine that -- mine sat in the box seven, maybe eight hours after it arrived), I asked him to join the list and post his plea (with an address) here. Long story short, he's a newbie with e-mail too, so I found out that he lives in Clifton Park, NY 12065. Anybody who would be willing to put together an ounce or two of steam oil live close enough to him that he can drive to your place and pick it up? Please cut me out of the middle and send e-mail to Andrew (last unknown) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's introduce the guy to the hobby correctly -- it's about the people, not the toys. (Right?) ... ;-) ... ^ Dave Cole General Manager: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor: TRELLIS TRESTLE, the newsletter of the Bay Area Garden Railway Society http://www.bagrs.org/ ^
Re: Out-of-date lists
At 8:00 AM -0700 7/26/00, Dr. Robert M. Blackson wrote: Today I received ssls list #20 with posts dated September 22, 1999. This is not the first time that I have recently received in the year 2000 posts from 1999, and the subject matter indicates that this is not new, current material with the wrong date and year attached but posts from a year ago. What's happening? I'd rather receive no listing until there are new posts rather than old posts that take up bandwidth. Bob Blackson Robert Blackson: There must be some problem with the digests, because those not on digest are getting their mail just fine. I am travelling right now and it may take me a day or two to fix from the road; please e-mail me directly if you want to be taken off the list while repairs are completed. Thanks. \dmc --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Plastic lumber
Folks: We're in the midst of planning our new deck here at the Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. For those of you unversed in weather here in Pacifica, it is almost year-round fog-bound. So the deck will have to withstand quite a bit of moisture. Further, I prefer running steamers to doing maintenance on a deck. These two factors have lead us to plastic lumber (see http://www.plasticlumberyard.com or http://www.usplasticlumber.com/). Has anyone worked with this stuff? It appears that the Phoenix stuff is better than the SmartDeck stuff (because it can be used for load-bearing support), but maybe I'm missing something here. Thoughts, comments, etc. welcomed. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 557-9595 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 557-9696 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ t
Re: For Sale
At 5:31 PM -0700 7/15/00, Joe Betsko wrote: I'm sorry as I did not intend the last post to go the whole list. Yikes! Joe Hey, I didn't mean for the offer to go to the whole list either; these things happen. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: For Sale
Joe: Did you get any takers for the Sammie? Between the Better Half's approval and the fact that I got a commission today that I wasn't expecting, I think I can swing $650. Thanks. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Housekeeping notes
All hands: Well, we've finally gotten the servers relocated to their semi-permanent location and got them running properly (two different efforts). If you have any problems with your sslivesteam account, please send me e-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I've instituted a new feature: if you want to make your account inactive for a while (like you're going on vacation or into the hospital or something that would keep you from your computer and you don't want messages piling up), please send e-mail to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. When you come back, merely send an e-mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you'll be back in business. This keeps me out of the loop. I have created a new roster as well; you can see it at http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/users/. Please check to see if your name is properly listed (or listed at all) and whether your bio or picture is correct. Again, a note to me for changes is appropriate. We currently have 120 members on the list; many of you have not submitted biographies or pictures. We encourage you to do so. The biographies go to the list while the pictures go to me. Thanks for your patience. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Father's Day @ Roaring Camp
At 2:23 PM -0700 6/16/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of the BAGRS Live Steamers are coming to Roaring Camp this weekend? Business prevents me from attending (rats). I know that Harlan Barr and Gary Whalen will be there with a variety of steamers. Best of luck to you all. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: basic metalworking tips
At 11:22 AM -0700 6/10/00, VR Bass wrote: I hope that will help get you started. Let me know what you run into that's not included here and we'll find an answer. Just a note to you all -- this type of selfless contribution (it must have taken VRB at least an hour to write) is what makes this list great. Thank you Vance. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Live steam track at BTS
All hands: Here's the message that started this thread ... Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 19:35:38 -0700 From: Clark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Las Vegas Garden Railway Society X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Live steam track at BTS For your information: This is about the "green oval track" built by John Wieland. Bob Starr just sent this to me. It confirms what I thought to be the case. No club or group is willing to take over the live steam track at the Big Train Show. Bob talks about the Riverside Live Steamers but he fails mention that they run 1.5 scale ride on size steam engines. I too am a member of the Riverside Club but I just don't see the membership taking this on. What a sad state of affairs. Kevin O'Connor, do you think the PCLS would like to hop on this opportunity? Yea I know Kevin is not on line but someone will tell him. Clark Lord in Nevada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:(Bob Starr) I was talking to Bob Toohey at the Fullerton Rail Fest and he had said that you folks were not setting up the live steam track this year. Is this true? I believe that I contacted you a while back and offered to set it up, the offer still stands. You had mentioned that you were interested in a club taking it over and I am a member of Riverside Live Steamers and active in G scale. Our club is the only totally live steam club in the US. If you are interested in my assistance please contact me either by e-mail or via phone at 909-336-2715. Thank you, Bob Starr AND HERE IS THE REPLY FROM THE BIG TRAIN SHOW Subject: Re: Live Steam Track Date: Fri., 02 Jun 2000 08:09:59 -0700 From: Prep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Prep Graphics To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This year we are not supporting the live steam track in the parking lot. If your club is interested in taking over the layout, we will give the club the layout with the understanding that it will be brought to the Big Train Show for the next four years. Set up and taken down by club members. Storage is up to the club. Any changes or alterations is up to the club. In all it becomes the property of the club as long as they meet the obligation. Brian --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roster update ... at last ...
All hands: It's been quite a while since I updated the roster (see http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/users/), but rather than doing what I'm supposed to be doing this morning, I did that instead ;-) ... We have 122 people on the listserv now; of course, not all are on the roster. If you aren't listed on the roster and would like to be, send me e-mail with your full name as you wish to be listed and your city, state and country. If you have provided a biography to the list and there isn't a link, please find your biography at http://www.mail-archive.com/sslivesteam%40colegroup.com/ and send me the link. If you haven't provided a biography, please put one together to introduce yourself to your fellow list members. Mug shots are always welcome -- send them directly to me. FYI, sometime next week the listserver will move to its permanent home -- things might be bumpy for a couple of days in the middle. Thanks. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: want to unsubscribe.
All hands: Actually, Jerry wanted to become "inactive," not unsubscribe. Here's the difference: when you unsubscribe, your record is deleted from the database. That record includes your bio information and your picture information. When you come back, I then have to re-enter all that info by hand. If you're set to inactive, then you don't get messages, but the record remains intact. For future reference: if you want to stop messages temporarily, send me e-mail and I'll fix it. Please don't unsubscribe unless you don't plan to come back to the list for the foreseeable future. Thanks. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aster Mikado Valve Setting
At 12:11 PM -0700 4/27/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the GTE wish to acquire trackage right in the Everglades from The South West and Mid Peninsula (SWAMP) RR that has "tied-up" the Everglades area? Fortunately, my "Everglades" is a street in Pacifica, Calif. ;-) ... --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where we've been ...
At 7:05 AM -0700 4/17/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the best to you and your wife. Well, she isn't my wife. She calls me the "psuedo-spouse." And could someone please post something about trains to help me get my mind off all this b**t? Best o' luck. --- Dave Cole, General Manager Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. (formerly the Westline Mussel Rock Railroad) http://45mm.com/ Pacifica, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intro Ruby Advice Needed
At 4:12 PM -0700 4/2/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my Ruby, the leak was much bigger than you seem to have had on yours. The entire tank was emptying in three to four minutes. That would have produced a very nice blow torch flame. Ah, yes; much different. I only lost about five minutes off the run because of my leak. --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pony pictures
All hands: SaltyChief's Pony pictures are posted on the web site. Here's the URL: http://45mm.com/sslivesteam/pony.html --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Posting Pictures
At 3:15 PM -0700 4/2/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that I would ask first if I can attach a photograph or two to this page. I just got some photographs of the Oregon Pony from the Oregon Historical Society and thought that others might be interested. (I finally got my scanner to work) We prefer that you not send pictures as e-mail attachments (actually, the software won't allow you to). I'd like to say that I'd post them for you, but my life is absolutely crazy right now and I still have more than a dozen Diamondhead pictures to post :-( ... if you're willing to wait, though, send them directly to me. (FYI to those who know my plight: we got the residence moved to the new house in Pacifica last week; I'm moving the office later this week; the city "red-tagged" the 21 homes in the neighborhood on Friday -- we all have to be out by April 17.) --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ruby fire
At 9:57 PM -0800 3/26/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The burner is in the flue that empties into the smokebox. I'm unsure how I'm supposed to light the fire from the top of the flue without the smokebox open. :/ We are obviously are having problems with the definition of the word "flue." I should have used the word "smoke stack." So, let me try this again: Lastly, I don't personally light any of my engines through the smokebox door -- always from the top of the smoke stack. Also, I use those barbeque fire-starters from Scripto. The process I use is to open the gas valve, click the fire-starter a couple of times until it lights, get a flame going in the smoke stack and then back off the gas until it "pops down" into the burner. Once it's going, I open up the gas again all the way, to get the maximum heat until I've got steam up. Then I back the gas back down to the point where it is just on "simmer." Does this make more sense now? --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ruby fire
At 1:24 PM -0800 3/26/00, TrotFox wrote: I can't seem to keep the fire burning. Is this the reason everyone's saying the Ruby needs a #3 jet? If so, where do I get one? Landon: From your descriptions, it sounds like you've got fuel and fuel pressure. What could be causing your burner to flame-out? First, I would make certain that it is really lighting -- can you see the flame in the burner? You may be in a position where you just think it's lighting. The sound of a butane burner is a hollow small roar. The sound of escaping butane is more like the whistle you describe. As Phil has suggested, next I would look at the jet -- not to replace it, but to make certain it isn't clogged. There is a bit of discussion in the Aster catalog/manual about using a thin wire to clear a clogged jet, but my theory is that the wire can do more damage than good. I take the jet, turn it around, put it between my lips and blow. I've unclogged my Frank S jet a couple of times using this procedure. Another potential problem may be that you are opening the gas valve too quickly after the burner is lit. You could be blowing out the flame. Lastly, I don't personally light any of my engines through the smokebox door -- always from the top of the flue. Also, I use those barbeque fire-starters from Scripto. The process I use is to open the gas valve, click the fire-starter a couple of times until it lights, get a flame going in the flue and then back off the gas until it "pops down" into the burner. Once it's going, I open up the gas again all the way, to get the maximum heat until I've got steam up. Then I back the gas back down to the point where it is just on "simmer." Hope this has helped. --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oil Burner
At 9:03 PM -0800 3/20/00, Trent Dowler wrote: Hey "List Mom", what kind of copyright concerns would there be if I were to draw the design up in CAD and post it somewhere for everyone to see? Would I need to contact the original publisher of the prints (Live Steam magazine I think) and/or Mr. Harris? I really don't want to create problems with a copyright, but it makes a lot more sense being able to see it. First, as the lawyers train you to say, I'm no lawyer. But I would suspect that at the least you need the permission of Harris and possibly Live Steam as well. Harris, as the author, holds all rights and Live Steam may have acquired some subsequent rights when it published the drawings. Best o' luck. \dmc *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ David M. Cole[EMAIL PROTECTED] Editor Publisher: The Cole Papers; NEWSINC.V: (650) 994-2100 Consultant: The Cole Group http://colegroup.com/ F: (650) 994-2108 *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Re: Big Boy Steam
At 10:14 AM -0800 3/17/00, Jerry Barnes wrote: Anybody know if that outift in Texas ever got their Big Boy project going? I never heard, used to be talk of it on another steam list. Clark, didn't you know something about it? Here's the URL of their page: http://www.bigboy4018.com/ --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aster Screwdriver Kit
At 2:53 PM -0800 3/16/00, Joe Betsko wrote: How does one acquire an Aster kit if married? Keep in mind my wife is a CPA. Does one get a super secret credit card and make the covert transaction? Stop laughing; I need help ... in acquiring one, of course. Joe: I'm not married but the woman I call my "pseudo-spouse" is responsible for my being involved in the hobby at all. She was concerned that I spent 12-14 hour days working on my business. She believes that my playing with trains is beneficial -- not only for me, but ultimately for her as well. She is of the opinion that if I -- forgive the term -- blow off some steam in the workshop or out on the track, then I will be a better pseudo-spouse. I would frame the proposition in this manner: do you want me to be a happier, better life-mate? If so, then please don't protest when I want to spend umpty-ump thousand dollars on an Aster Mike. Of course, if she delivered the engine, you would then have to deliver the happier, better spouse. Unknow if that's possible ... ;-) ... And, if that doesn't work, have her exercise some of her CPA skills and find out the relative value of live steamers. Not to mention the difference in cost between a kit and the price fetched by a slightly used live steamer. I think you would have a valid argument that the investment in the kit would never disappear and that you would always be able to sell a built live steamer for more than you paid for the kit, unless you broke it or ran it into the ground. Best o' luck. --- Dave Cole General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://45mm.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
