Re: [Standards] Server presence
On Fri Mar 13 14:08:21 2009, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Sure, why not? In fact your server doesn't really need to be in your roster because you already have a relationship with your server by registering account. So once you send broadcast presence it can also send presence to you. Or if you'd like you could explicitly add it to your roster. In fact I think I have "jabber.org" in my roster but we don't subscribe to each other's presence (it's just a "bookmark"). Lampiro puts it into your (local) roster, partly to allow Ad-hoc command access. > I should be able to subscribe to servers, and in fact the recent > trusted-servers talks from FOSDEM point in that direction: each server > has a roster with trusted servers subscribed. Well, you should be able to subscribe to anything on the network because nothing in RFC 3921 limits presence subscriptions to other registered users. We haven't used those features yet, but they could be quite interesting. :) Well, we kind of have, in as much as the concept fo sharing presence with pubsub services is talked about in XEP-0060 - we tend to only use this for XEP-0060 services whose address is that of a registered user (ie, PEP), but it's specifically not restricted to that. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net - xmpp:d...@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade
Re: [Standards] Server presence
On 3/13/09 4:18 AM, Pedro Melo wrote: > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Pedro Melo >> wrote: >>> >>> On a side note: For the disco situation, the hash-based caps work >>> already, >>> and we could ask server vendors to send a server presence on connect >>> with >>> their own caps. Caps to cache server disco#info might just work. >>> >> >> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html#stream ? As far as I know no >> servers yet implement it. I'm sure I'm about to be proven wrong >> though. > > Yeah, but I don't think it is enough. disco#info can change, albeit not > as much for servers. > > I would like to have something like a server presence. As if your server > is a contact on all rosters. This would allow some interesting > possibilities: > > * caps; > * PEP nodes in the server itself. Sure, why not? In fact your server doesn't really need to be in your roster because you already have a relationship with your server by registering account. So once you send broadcast presence it can also send presence to you. Or if you'd like you could explicitly add it to your roster. In fact I think I have "jabber.org" in my roster but we don't subscribe to each other's presence (it's just a "bookmark"). > I should be able to subscribe to servers, and in fact the recent > trusted-servers talks from FOSDEM point in that direction: each server > has a roster with trusted servers subscribed. Well, you should be able to subscribe to anything on the network because nothing in RFC 3921 limits presence subscriptions to other registered users. We haven't used those features yet, but they could be quite interesting. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
[Standards] Server presence
On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Pedro Melo wrote: On a side note: For the disco situation, the hash-based caps work already, and we could ask server vendors to send a server presence on connect with their own caps. Caps to cache server disco#info might just work. http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html#stream ? As far as I know no servers yet implement it. I'm sure I'm about to be proven wrong though. Yeah, but I don't think it is enough. disco#info can change, albeit not as much for servers. I would like to have something like a server presence. As if your server is a contact on all rosters. This would allow some interesting possibilities: * caps; * PEP nodes in the server itself. I should be able to subscribe to servers, and in fact the recent trusted-servers talks from FOSDEM point in that direction: each server has a roster with trusted servers subscribed. Best regards, -- Pedro Melo Blog: http://www.simplicidade.org/notes/ XMPP ID: m...@simplicidade.org Use XMPP!
