Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
I just found that mozilla had put this complete thread in my spam folder. Obviously mozilla's opinion on the content. I found it interesting though. Since we're talking about the quality of mailing lists, does anybody know which the best JBoss list is? The forum and associated mailing list at www.jboss.org is not up to the standard I'm used to at Jakarta. In fact, I'm wondering whether there is an alternative at all actually. Thanks Adam On 03/02/2004 04:46 AM Andrew Hill wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Of course, it's possible to take that to the extreme. The first place where I worked when I moved to America, was so small that I was the IS department! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
When I was fresh out of uni - back before the turn of the century, I interviewed for a position like that. Didnt get it, but one of the things they tested me was for typing speed (I scored 60wpm as I recall. Reckon I could better that nowdays though!) It was one of those small seceratial outsourcing companies (who needed someone to manage their network and software and such like) so I guess the idea of interviewing anyone without giving them a typing test was simply heretical. Pity, I reckon that could have been a fun job. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:08 To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Of course, it's possible to take that to the extreme. The first place where I worked when I moved to America, was so small that I was the IS department! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) : +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Interesting point about tech leads.. I agree wholeheartedly I specifically have agree with enthusiasm for learning new technologies/methodologies I would also add Must ensure product works on all client platforms You would be surprised how much software is shipped without any testing or consideration for the user's environment ~My 2 cents~ Martin Gainty - Original Message - From: P K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) : +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
+1 On action alone be thy interest, Never on its fruits. Let not the fruits of action be thy motive, Nor be thy attachment to inaction. - Bhagavad Gita (250 BC - 250 AD), Chapter 2 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/8487868.cms --- atta-ur rehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 ATTA On Mar 1, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Good point about the testing. I didn't mention it because I was responding to specific issues in the original email, but testing is everything. Your end-user/customer will not care if you used all the trendy GoF patterns, if the software doesn't work. The software must work. Testing is the best way that we have at this time of ensuring that. Thus we have: Simon's 1st of Software Development: Working code trumps everything. Learn it, live it , love it. There will be a test (pun intended! :-) Simon -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:18 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) Interesting point about tech leads.. I agree wholeheartedly I specifically have agree with enthusiasm for learning new technologies/methodologies I would also add Must ensure product works on all client platforms You would be surprised how much software is shipped without any testing or consideration for the user's environment ~My 2 cents~ Martin Gainty - Original Message - From: P K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) so you reckon that hinting to my Manager, whom we both report to, about my frustrations isn't going to help much? Thanks for the suggestion about the small company though. Looking back, the most fun I had at work was working for a small company. Simons, Your suggestion # 4 is great nad #5 really interesting. Thanks. Andrew Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP)
Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the most-subscribed-to user list at Jakarta (ten short of 3000 at the moment), the occurrences of rude behavior are so rare that they immediately attract notice for being out of character for what we're trying to achieve :-). I'd say that we've been doing a pretty good job maintaining a friendly, welcoming, and helpful community. I'd also like to keep it that way. Craig
RE: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
Ive found the best way to avoid those kind of morons is to work at small companies where any deadwood has nowhere to hide and is quickly pruned :-) Our tech leads really know their stuff here. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:28 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage) While the original flame war was less helpful, the question that has emerged from it's ashes is a good one. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I can offer some personal observations. Feel free to disagree. 1. You can do nothing about those who choose not to learn. I've tried changing them and it doesn't work. I consider this a basic fact. 2. You have a great deal of control over your ability to learn. If you aren't big time into learning, then I recommend catching some enthusiasm for it. 3. There will be always be good and bad tech leads. I am a tech lead; I try to be a good one. I can put a String to standard out or standard error! ;-) 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. I teach a class on learning Java one lunchtime a week and try to bestow a little wisdom and encouragement whenever I can. I am a Java mentor here and I lead a study group of us that are seeking our Java Certification. 5. No one reads documentation. This is a fact. Learn what is drop dead fired and escorted from the building important and then try to auto-generate it. :-) 6. Leadership is a rare commodity. There's a lot of management out there, but precious little leadership. Again, deal with it. Become a leader and just do what needs to be done. This is what I have tended to do. The ol' saying about it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission is very true (except I sometimes forget to ask for forgiveness! :-) 7. Black team? How 90's, Our team wears Hawaiian shirts! (Honest. :-) Simon -Original Message- From: P K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage Sorry to continue on this topic. I've learnt a great deal of non struts stuff on this list and this only adds to it. I've been bothered (mostly in my mind) with questions about peoples capabilities and desires when it comes to work. Viru, this original poster of the question on Memory Usage clearly has a desire to learn, but what about people who don't? How do you deal with them? I currently work with a Tech Lead who wouldn't be able to output a String to standard out if asked to write a program. I don't care about her taking credit for the work that we do. She doesn't provide any leadership whatsoever to the project except produce paper that no one bothers to read. Have you guys come across situations like this? What have you done about it? Don't get me wrong - I am not prone to complaining nor do I think I am a member of the elite 'Black Team'. Quoting Dhaliwal, Pritpal (HQP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 I agree with everyone who has responded. We should not clutter this very friendly mailing list with things that don't belong here, that includes not so nice responses. I haven't been on many, but this is by far my favorite list, even though I am mainly a spectator. I lashed out because this question clearly didn't belong here. If the person had followed anything in http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, it must that they were polite. They certainly didn't do much investigation outside on the internet. The little bit of unfriendliness, I dunno why it came out. Unprofessional, it shouldn't have came out. Even questions that don't belong here deserve to be treated with respect. That is the single most obvious characteristic of STRUTS-USER that is distinctive (even though it has lots of other good qualities). Unfortunately, you decided to unload on a poster in a manner that is decidedly out of the norm for STRUTS-USER. Your response is the kind of behavior that creates problems for the perception of open source projects as being friendly to users or not. If you think the topic is totally out of scope for STRUTS-USER, then you should either (a) answer the question anyway but point people to where they should really be asking; (b) *gently* encourage the user to explore the other resources that are available (the archives are full of examples of folks who have done this), or (c) shut your yap and press DELETE instead of SUBMIT on your replies :-). The culture of the STRUTS-USER list has always been *deliberately* different from the you idiot, how could you be so stupid as to ask that question in that way sort of attitude that far too many open source projects have. Fortunately, despite the fact that this is the
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
-Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Life, the Universe and Everything (was: RE: [OT] RE: Memory usage)
+1 ATTA On Mar 1, 2004, at 8:19 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. I had the same frustrations that you have. I made the decision that the best way to restore the balance of good in the universe, was to try to become the kind of tech lead that I would have wanted when I was a newbie/humble grunt. +1 .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
