RE: [OT] Modeling tools (way OT)
Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all Whoa, Trigger. Time for some Australia 101 We may share a figurehead but is Australia is not OWNED by britain, any more than you may think britain owns Canada, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand, Malaysia, Zimbabwe. The british Empire is LONG gone, and a good thing too. A referendum three years ago showed that, although a clear majority of Australian citizens wanted a republic, a majority of states did not (4-3 against), so constitiutional reform was not brought about. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, what kinda bloody government DO you have? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:58 PM Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all Whoa, Trigger. Time for some Australia 101 We may share a figurehead but is Australia is not OWNED by britain, any more than you may think britain owns Canada, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand, Malaysia, Zimbabwe. The british Empire is LONG gone, and a good thing too. A referendum three years ago showed that, although a clear majority of Australian citizens wanted a republic, a majority of states did not (4-3 against), so constitiutional reform was not brought about. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I concur! When I was in Madrid 2 years ago I drank some of the best wines I've ever had - and the Sangrias were most excellent! I don't remember any labels, which gives you an indication of how much of the stuff I drank! ¡Olè! What about the Oregon and Washington State wines, Craig? Are they good for coding Struts? (How's that for getting back on topic?) -Original Message- From: Manuel Montoro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:07 AM My two cents. You have to try the spanish red wines from La Rioja, Ribera del Duero, Priorato, etc. They are in many cases superior to french ones (IMHO). Of course, the Jerez wine is superb and the sweets ones (Malaga, for examples) don't have anything similar in the whole world. Regards On 10 Feb 2003 at 23:08, alexj wrote: I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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One that can use the result of a vote to suit their particualr needs. A dodgy Government?! Must be the only one of its kind in the world On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:53, Mark Galbreath wrote: Well, what kinda bloody government DO you have? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:58 PM Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all Whoa, Trigger. Time for some Australia 101 We may share a figurehead but is Australia is not OWNED by britain, any more than you may think britain owns Canada, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand, Malaysia, Zimbabwe. The british Empire is LONG gone, and a good thing too. A referendum three years ago showed that, although a clear majority of Australian citizens wanted a republic, a majority of states did not (4-3 against), so constitiutional reform was not brought about. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Beer is the demon drink? Check out http://brewery.org/brewery/infobase/clublist/us_MD.html. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:22 AM I have sampled Portland microbrews when I first came to the states and before I quit the demon drink and they were ok'ish. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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for people who understand german or french, there is a nice site as well: http://www.beerculture.com -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003 01:06 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Beer is the demon drink? Check out http://brewery.org/brewery/infobase/clublist/us_MD.html. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:22 AM I have sampled Portland microbrews when I first came to the states and before I quit the demon drink and they were ok'ish. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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or if you need to cool your beer *really* fast... http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ :Jason -Original Message- From: Rene Eigenheer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,12 February 2003 11:13 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools for people who understand german or french, there is a nice site as well: http://www.beerculture.com -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2003 01:06 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Beer is the demon drink? Check out http://brewery.org/brewery/infobase/clublist/us_MD.html. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:22 AM I have sampled Portland microbrews when I first came to the states and before I quit the demon drink and they were ok'ish. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Same as everywhere else. Two houses full of wimps, liars, and opportunists. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2003 10:23 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools (way OT) Well, what kinda bloody government DO you have? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:58 PM Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all Whoa, Trigger. Time for some Australia 101 We may share a figurehead but is Australia is not OWNED by britain, any more than you may think britain owns Canada, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, New Zealand, Malaysia, Zimbabwe. The british Empire is LONG gone, and a good thing too. A referendum three years ago showed that, although a clear majority of Australian citizens wanted a republic, a majority of states did not (4-3 against), so constitiutional reform was not brought about. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My two cents. You have to try the spanish red wines from La Rioja, Ribera del Duero, Priorato, etc. They are in many cases superior to french ones (IMHO). Of course, the Jerez wine is superb and the sweets ones (Malaga, for examples) don't have anything similar in the whole world. Regards On 10 Feb 2003 at 23:08, alexj wrote: I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Aren't wines from La Rioja from Argentina? -Original Message- From: Manuel Montoro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:07 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools My two cents. You have to try the spanish red wines from La Rioja, Ribera del Duero, Priorato, etc. They are in many cases superior to french ones (IMHO). Of course, the Jerez wine is superb and the sweets ones (Malaga, for examples) don't have anything similar in the whole world. Regards On 10 Feb 2003 at 23:08, alexj wrote: I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
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Although my drinking days are over, I have found the best wines to be the cheapest ones - more *BANG* for your buck... - Original Message - From: Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aren't wines from La Rioja from Argentina? -Original Message- From: Manuel Montoro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:07 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools My two cents. You have to try the spanish red wines from La Rioja, Ribera del Duero, Priorato, etc. They are in many cases superior to french ones (IMHO). Of course, the Jerez wine is superb and the sweets ones (Malaga, for examples) don't have anything similar in the whole world. Regards On 10 Feb 2003 at 23:08, alexj wrote: I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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-Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:03 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Simon: As a southerner, I resemble that remark! (You suh, have affronted, I say affronted, my sensibilities!) I'll take a Deal with it. ;-) glass of sweet iced tea any hot day. Besides, I don't think they would consider Lipton to be real tea in the U.K. anyway. :) The words Lipton and tea should never be used together in a sentence, except when proclaiming that they should never be used in the same sentence. Also, I knew some rednecks growing up who would drink piss-warm beer whilst working outside, does that count for anything? :) No! Rednecks don't count, most of them don't read or write either! ;-) b.t.w., who the hell drinks red wine chilled? That's just nuts. Victor's right on about the microbrews, there are a ton of tasty beers produced near San Francisco, a lot of them brewed right next door to some of the wines just mentioned (in Napa). I have sampled Portland microbrews when I first came to the states and before I quit the demon drink and they were ok'ish. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) All beer in Australia is recycled if you know what I mean. ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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O! I wish you wouldn't remind me of that! Scott On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 23:54, Chappell, Simon P wrote: Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They are just as much a part of the Commonwealth as Canada or South Africa or Nigeria or even Zimbabwe. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:25 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Exactly, so they all belong to Britain. The British Empire never really went away, we just gave it a nice, new, politically correct label. -Original Message- From: du Plessis, Corneil C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:40 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools They are just as much a part of the Commonwealth as Canada or South Africa or Nigeria or even Zimbabwe. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:25 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tell that to French speaking Canadians -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:43 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Exactly, so they all belong to Britain. The British Empire never really went away, we just gave it a nice, new, politically correct label. -Original Message- From: du Plessis, Corneil C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:40 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools They are just as much a part of the Commonwealth as Canada or South Africa or Nigeria or even Zimbabwe. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:25 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would never speak to French Canadians ... I have my pride! -Original Message- From: du Plessis, Corneil C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:45 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Tell that to French speaking Canadians -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:43 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Exactly, so they all belong to Britain. The British Empire never really went away, we just gave it a nice, new, politically correct label. -Original Message- From: du Plessis, Corneil C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:40 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools They are just as much a part of the Commonwealth as Canada or South Africa or Nigeria or even Zimbabwe. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February, 2003 15:25 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? Well, technically it isn't their's. They are members of the British Commonwealth, so all their base are belong to the Queen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No wonder you stopped drinking -Original Message- From: Karim Saloojee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2003 12:40 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools Although my drinking days are over, I have found the best wines to be the cheapest ones - more *BANG* for your buck... - Original Message - From: Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Aren't wines from La Rioja from Argentina? -Original Message- From: Manuel Montoro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:07 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools My two cents. You have to try the spanish red wines from La Rioja, Ribera del Duero, Priorato, etc. They are in many cases superior to french ones (IMHO). Of course, the Jerez wine is superb and the sweets ones (Malaga, for examples) don't have anything similar in the whole world. Regards On 10 Feb 2003 at 23:08, alexj wrote: I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you
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Craig, are you doing any seminars/presentations on struts. Is anyone? -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:00 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Will Etson wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800 From: Will Etson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? Well, the O'Reilly Open Source conference is here in July ... and I do know where to get some of that good beer ... - vic Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM
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-Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE Craig, are you doing any seminars/presentations on struts. Is anyone? Probably not; after all that beer and being so far off the ground he'd probably fall over. And the audience would probably get neck strains. Laird - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I meant to say at the O'reilly convention. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:57 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Craig, are you doing any seminars/presentations on struts. Is anyone? -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:00 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Will Etson wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800 From: Will Etson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? Well, the O'Reilly Open Source conference is here in July ... and I do know where to get some of that good beer ... - vic Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer
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There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you. -Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You got me on that one, Simon. Truly! There is NO substitute for a large whiteboard! Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:45 AM It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM There is no alternative to Rose. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You're very welcome. Oh yea, there is MagicDraw too :-) - Robert Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Thank you. -Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Perhaps Rational XDE ? ;) Nico. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM There is no alternative to Rose. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like Together much better than Rational for UML and sequence diagrams. For lazy programmers, Together will take your jar and do all your diagrams for you, if you ask it nicely. -Jacob -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Mon 2/10/2003 10:06 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Thank you. -Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And http://www.objecteering.com/ (Not tried myseld, but a colleague of mine tells us since 6 months it's great) Nico. You're very welcome. Oh yea, there is MagicDraw too :-) - Robert Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Thank you. -Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Visit this site, has some good info about UML and tools http://www.jguru.com/faq/printablefaq.jsp?topic=UML --- Nicolas De Loof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And http://www.objecteering.com/ (Not tried myseld, but a colleague of mine tells us since 6 months it's great) Nico. You're very welcome. Oh yea, there is MagicDraw too :-) - Robert Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Thank you. -Dave -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:36 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools If you have the money, Together/J (www.togethersoft) is my favorite. It's round trip synch with the source code is absolutely wonderful. If you want something less expensive, and you use Eclipse 2.0+, try Omondo UML (http://www.omondo.com/). They have free versions and a commercial license. It is fairly new, so not as polished as TJ or Rose. There is also ArgoUML (http://argouml.tigris.org/), which is open source. - Robert McIntosh Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE wrote: Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = A$HI$H __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is essentially Rose plugged into Eclipse/WSAD 5. Together/J has a plugin as well for those. - Robert Nicolas De Loof wrote: Perhaps Rational XDE ? ;) Nico. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM There is no alternative to Rose. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Woah, mon ami! I'm a homebrewer and I make some very tasty beverages! Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I guess someone remark last week that all of the conversations eventually go to beer is right, and the only better think than a large white board is a two large white boards. (Incase it is a large project) PS IMHO US beer is really good, but when you compare it to some of the breweries that have been making beer longer than USA has been around we are put to shame. But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Woah, mon ami! I'm a homebrewer and I make some very tasty beverages! Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If they could only integrate the pieces better... Jim Berg Sr. Software Specialist PSCI 610-270-4158 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10-Feb-2003 10:29 Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' cc: Subject:RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MmmSt. Emelion Bordeaux. When I was in France, England, Belgium, and The Netherlands last summer, I had the most wonderful time trying as many beers as I could find. I found none that were not absolutely delicious. The really weird thing was, the Europeans drink American imports like Miller and Budweasel. In England, they actually serve Budweasel at room temperature. If you can imagine drinking that piss, can you imagine drinking WARM piss??? Mark -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:42 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I'm a big fan of Rosemount Estates' Cabernet Sauvignon. At about $11 a bottle, it's a best value. -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 1:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here, Here, Here. I did not say this as well, but well said (Spec the CakeBread) Dan - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
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Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I bet you like haggis, too. Blimey limey! Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:13 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
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American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I'll go just to watch Simon drink a beer! -Original Message- From: Victor Soares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave
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+1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Modeling tools Wondering what kind of modeling tools you would recommended. I'm looking for alternatives to Rational Rose and Poseidon. Thanks. -Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Will Etson wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800 From: Will Etson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? Well, the O'Reilly Open Source conference is here in July ... and I do know where to get some of that good beer ... - vic Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS
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Mm. Blue Heron and Terminator Stout. It's been a long time since I was in Portland. RE: Red wine. It should be served at room temperature - of the average French Chateau cellar ;-) -david- -Original Message- From: Will Etson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:30 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools There is no alternative to Rose. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant, Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT
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Simon: As a southerner, I resemble that remark! (You suh, have affronted, I say affronted, my sensibilities!) I'll take a glass of sweet iced tea any hot day. Besides, I don't think they would consider Lipton to be real tea in the U.K. anyway. :) Also, I knew some rednecks growing up who would drink piss-warm beer whilst working outside, does that count for anything? :) b.t.w., who the hell drinks red wine chilled? That's just nuts. Victor's right on about the microbrews, there are a ton of tasty beers produced near San Francisco, a lot of them brewed right next door to some of the wines just mentioned (in Napa). --joe -Original Message- From: Will Etson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S. that there is no such thing as a good beer! :-P -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:27 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I agree, especially for collaboration. A whiteboard is a good developer's best friend (short of a good beer)... - Robert Chappell, Simon P wrote: It's called a whiteboard (or greaseboard if you fixate about not refering to colours when describing inanimate objects) and it does a better job of what I use Rose for than Rose does. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL
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1 The serving temperature depends on the variety, complexity, sweetness and IMHO the drinking environment. Shiraz should be 15-18 degrees C, but Beaujolais can be 10-12 C. Lambrusco's gotta be chilled or it's virtually undrinkable. I drink aged Marsanne at room temperature because all the nose and half the palate goes when it's chilled. 2 Stop talking about beer junkets in Portland OR. Some of us live and work in Australia. PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 12:03 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Simon: As a southerner, I resemble that remark! (You suh, have affronted, I say affronted, my sensibilities!) I'll take a glass of sweet iced tea any hot day. Besides, I don't think they would consider Lipton to be real tea in the U.K. anyway. :) Also, I knew some rednecks growing up who would drink piss-warm beer whilst working outside, does that count for anything? :) b.t.w., who the hell drinks red wine chilled? That's just nuts. Victor's right on about the microbrews, there are a ton of tasty beers produced near San Francisco, a lot of them brewed right next door to some of the wines just mentioned (in Napa). --joe -Original Message- From: Will Etson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools +1 Victor Soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:34PM American beer is devoid of flavor!!?? That's true if you think Bud Light is the representative of American beer. You really do need to visit the west coast, my friend Portland, Oregon in particular. There are more tasty microbrews than you can shake a stick at. I'll personally take you on a tour. Unfortunately for you, the beer will be chilled... but we can leave your pint out and let it warm up. ;) Do I hear seconds for a STRUTS convention in Portland, Oregon? - vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/03 02:13PM Drinking warm beer is possible when there is flavour in there in the first place. Yankee beer is devoid of flavour and then they chill it! Might as well drink mineral water. No serious red-wine drinker would drink it chilled. Each beverage has it's agreed optimum drinking temperature. To use a non-alcholic example, tea should be drunk hot and with milk in it. What those southerners do to it should be federally prohibited! Simon -Original Message- From: alexj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools I will try this one ;) , I heard some Australian wine are pretty good to. (but I can't understand how English guy can drink warm beer lol) - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools The best California wines in my long flirtation with the nectar are anything from Cakebread Cellars, and any cabernet sauvignon (Bordeaux grape) from the Russian River Valley. These vineyards truly rival the best the French have, and you don't have to get upset drinking them because the growers support getting rid of Suddam Insane. Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Modeling tools To name a few at my house, but I agree that French wines are better. But California is getting close. And Australia is also getting close. Diamond Creek 1985 VH Cabernet Sauvignon, , Beringer 1997 Private Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Opus One 1999 Opus One But we are catch up quickly, just look at the quality of Californian wines, they sucked in the 80's and now that are almost as tasty as French wines. I don't think you can compare with nice french wines (or you have try only bad french wine) ;) Let's drink a Mouton Rotschild, Pétrus, Chateau Margaux Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. ~Hanlon's Razor -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:38 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools And we all know that in the U.S
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Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark, I gotta say Fosters is not a real got representation of Oz beer. It is the foulest amber fluid we have, and then I think they make another version (which is even worse!!) for you guys! Kinda like Bud not being a fair representative of all US beers. Wish you could try Coopers Pale Ale, nice South Australian beer. Mmmm!!! Scott On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 14:28, Mark Galbreath wrote: Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good on you Scott, exactly the same as I was about to say, vis: I must admit there is a beer called Fosters, but like Paul Hogan, Steve Irwin and Yahoo Serious, nobody here ever had anything to do with it! Most discerning beer drinkers in Australia go for beers with names like Cascade, Coopers and VB. They should rename this list beer-users -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 2:58 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd kill everyone in this room for a beer right now... - Homer Simpson Or, we could rename this thread to [OT] Beer Modeling tools :) On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 14:38, Todd Pierce wrote: Good on you Scott, exactly the same as I was about to say, vis: I must admit there is a beer called Fosters, but like Paul Hogan, Steve Irwin and Yahoo Serious, nobody here ever had anything to do with it! Most discerning beer drinkers in Australia go for beers with names like Cascade, Coopers and VB. They should rename this list beer-users -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 2:58 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have friends in Oz, Taz, and New Zealand. I've heard much about this Coopers Pale Ale; must have someone send me a case! -Original Message- From: Scott Barr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:07 PM Mark, I gotta say Fosters is not a real got representation of Oz beer. It is the foulest amber fluid we have, and then I think they make another version (which is even worse!!) for you guys! Kinda like Bud not being a fair representative of all US beers. Wish you could try Coopers Pale Ale, nice South Australian beer. Mmmm!!! Scott On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 14:28, Mark Galbreath wrote: Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*Gasp* You, you mean there's no great watering hole in Walkabout Creek? That's the only reason I was coming to Oz! -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:08 PM Good on you Scott, exactly the same as I was about to say, vis: I must admit there is a beer called Fosters, but like Paul Hogan, Steve Irwin and Yahoo Serious, nobody here ever had anything to do with it! Most discerning beer drinkers in Australia go for beers with names like Cascade, Coopers and VB. They should rename this list beer-users -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 2:58 PM Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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whilst we're on the topic of Oz beer, you can not overlook the James Squires range. They make some very tasy drops indeed. Squires ale pilsner are especially suited to breakfast, lunch and dinner. IMHO the problem with US beer is that none of the mass produced commercially available beers are any good... You hear of great micro breweries but if you're just over there visiting with no contacts, it's kinda hard to hunt down a good one. Then again, we were in Tampa... Mark Galbreath mark_galbreath@qTo: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] at.com cc: Subject: RE: [OT] Modeling tools 11/02/2003 03:34 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List *Gasp* You, you mean there's no great watering hole in Walkabout Creek? That's the only reason I was coming to Oz! -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:08 PM Good on you Scott, exactly the same as I was about to say, vis: I must admit there is a beer called Fosters, but like Paul Hogan, Steve Irwin and Yahoo Serious, nobody here ever had anything to do with it! Most discerning beer drinkers in Australia go for beers with names like Cascade, Coopers and VB. They should rename this list beer-users -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 2:58 PM Oh yeah, like Fosters (Australian for 'beer') is a great contribution to beerdom. That piss is as bad as Budweasel. Of course, that may be why the Aussies send it all up here. You guys still pissed about 1783? 1815? 1840? When did you get your own country, anyway? -Original Message- From: Todd Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:20 PM PS Australian beer relieves itself from a great height on all American AND British beer ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
