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Robert Leland wrote: Try to remain civil if not professional. If you can't be good, be careful. I said Morning after the night over tequila sunrise IV. Now where is that AlkaSeltzer? -- Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chris Trawick wrote: Hello World What? Actually not. Perhaps your experience with job placement services is different from mine, but even in the best of times they're brutal. Downright brutal. I hate them. They did good for me but they've screwed over several friends of You must have some big balls, then? -- Peter Pilgrim __ _ _ _ / //__ // ___// ___/ + Serverside Java / /___/ // /__ / /__ + Struts / // ___// ___// ___/ + Expresso Committer __/ // /__ / /__ / /__ + Independent Contractor /___/////// + Intrinsic Motivation On Line Resume || \\=== `` http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/no-it-striker.html '' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter A. Pilgrim wrote: You must have some big balls, then? Try to remain civil if not professional. -Rob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So...what IS the difference? -Original Message- From: Peter A. Pilgrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:47 PM spontaneous recruitment, and that was back in the dotcom bubbling days. Naivety and stupidity is even more prevalent now. People with write 4 1/2 years Java on their CV and then they cant tell me what is the different between a `Vector' and `Hashtable'. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. James Turner Owner Manager, Black Bear Software, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author: MySQL JSP Web Applications: Data Driven Programming Using Tomcat and MySQL ISBN 0672323095; SAMS, 2002 Co-Author: Struts Kick Start ISBN 0672324725; SAMS, 2002 Forthcoming: Java Server Faces Kick Start SAMS, Fall 2003 -Original Message- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James I think he was being sarcastic (for a change!) Oops, more sarcasm. -Original Message- From: James Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:49 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. James Turner Owner Manager, Black Bear Software, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author: MySQL JSP Web Applications: Data Driven Programming Using Tomcat and MySQL ISBN 0672323095; SAMS, 2002 Co-Author: Struts Kick Start ISBN 0672324725; SAMS, 2002 Forthcoming: Java Server Faces Kick Start SAMS, Fall 2003 -Original Message- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think NoSect may have meant synchronized. Unlike the new collection implementations, Vector is *synchronized*. - Original Message - From: Attila Szegedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mark, HashTables should never be worn after Labor day. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ooops. That IS what I meant. I was thinking about the issue of accessing them...and got my sibilants mixed up. Eric C. Hein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think NoSect may have meant synchronized. Unlike the new collection implementations, Vector is *synchronized*. - Original Message - From: Attila Szegedi To: Struts Users Mailing List ; Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
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Even with substituting synchronized for serialized would he be wrong, as both Vector and Hashtable are in fact synchronized (unlike ArrayList and HashMap, respectively). Attila. - Original Message - From: Eric C. Hein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- I think NoSect may have meant synchronized. Unlike the new collection implementations, Vector is *synchronized*. - Original Message - From: Attila Szegedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:29 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Whoa! Grab a beer and www.oddtodd.com, dude. You are way too serious! -Original Message- From: James Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:49 AM So...what IS the difference? Well, for one thing, trying to do vectorInstance.put(key, value); won't compile :-) Vectors are ordered lists, Hashtables (or HashMaps as they are commonly invoked in Java) are key/value association tables. This concludes today's Java 101. James Turner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. Yeah? Try serializing a java.lang.Thread. Or a plain java.lang.Object, for that matter... We're getting quite involved in this Java 101 trivia :-) Attila. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Only objects that implement java.io.Serializable should be serialized. Although it might be possible to serialize a class that doesn't implement Serializable, the interface exists for a reason. Use it to flag that your class is safe to be serialized. BAL From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:30:30 -0500 He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It may be difficult and unpredictable, but you can do it. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:38 PM - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. Yeah? Try serializing a java.lang.Thread. Or a plain java.lang.Object, for that matter... We're getting quite involved in this Java 101 trivia :-) Attila -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can also use the Externalizable interface as well as place any object in an array and serialize the array. Mark -Original Message- From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Only objects that implement java.io.Serializable should be serialized. Although it might be possible to serialize a class that doesn't implement Serializable, the interface exists for a reason. Use it to flag that your class is safe to be serialized. BAL From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:30:30 -0500 He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can use Externalizable as well as any other class that extends Serializable (hurrah for OO). If you put a non-Serializable object into an array and try to serialize bad things will happen (same thing with Collections or if you define a class as Serializable and then create non-Serializable members). Good rule of thumb: don't serialize anything that's isn't a Serializable object. BAL From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:49:13 -0500 You can also use the Externalizable interface as well as place any object in an array and serialize the array. Mark -Original Message- From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Only objects that implement java.io.Serializable should be serialized. Although it might be possible to serialize a class that doesn't implement Serializable, the interface exists for a reason. Use it to flag that your class is safe to be serialized. BAL From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:30:30 -0500 He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- You can also use the Externalizable interface as well as place any object in an array and serialize the array. Ehh... Externalizable extends Serializable, so it still holds that only objects of class that - directly or indirectly - implement Serializable can be serialized. As for placing an otherwise non-serializable object into an array, and then serializing the array: you'll still get a java.io.NotSerializableException as soon as the serialization machinery encounters the first component of the array that isn't serializable. If objects of any class were serializable, this exception class needn't exist. Attila. Mark -Original Message- From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Only objects that implement java.io.Serializable should be serialized. Although it might be possible to serialize a class that doesn't implement Serializable, the interface exists for a reason. Use it to flag that your class is safe to be serialized. BAL From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear-- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:30:30 -0500 He was probably confusing serializable with default synchronization. Any Java object can be serialized. -Original Message- From: Attila Szegedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:49 PM Wrong. Hashtables are serializable just fine. Attila. - Original Message - From: NoSect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vectors are also serializedhashtables not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ehh... Externalizable extends Serializable, so it still holds that only objects of class that - directly or indirectly - implement Serializable can be serialized. Darn. And here I thought I had a good excuse to waste an afternoon. As for placing an otherwise non-serializable object into an array, and then serializing the array: you'll still get a java.io.NotSerializableException as soon as the serialization machinery encounters the first component of the array that isn't serializable. If objects of any class were serializable, this exception class needn't exist. Well, you do have to extend the class ... -- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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James Mitchell wrote: I had six of them suckers going one time.had to stop when I started yanking out furthey're not as cute with missing patches of hair. -- James Mitchell P.S. I case anyone is wonder..I AM KIDDING - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Not spam...I swear-- How many at once? -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:48 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Not spam...I swear-- What kind of talent do you want? I'm pretty good at juggling cats. Hello World As some one who spent a several months out of work last year I am wondering just what this guy did wrong? Perhaps he was a little foolish and his prose was a tad bit contrite, but he did flag the subject as out-of-topic [OT]. Maybe he should used a different call sign [JOB] or something else for example. A little of over a month ago his post would have been up-lifting for me, a sign of the green shoots of recovery even if the role was US of A. I am wondering what is funny or comical about being out of work or being forcibly placed out of work these day? -- Peter Pilgrim ServerSide Java Specialist / Contractor / Consultant My on-line resume and for interview videos about myself, J2EE Open Source, Struts and Expresso. || \\=== `` http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/no-it-striker.html '' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello World As some one who spent a several months out of work last year I am wondering just what this guy did wrong? Perhaps he was a little foolish and his prose was a tad bit contrite, but he did flag the subject as out-of-topic [OT]. Maybe he should used a different call sign [JOB] or something else for example. A little of over a month ago his post would have been up-lifting for me, a sign of the green shoots of recovery even if the role was US of A. Actually not. Subject: Not spam...I swear-- Perhaps your experience with job placement services is different from mine, but even in the best of times they're brutal. Downright brutal. I hate them. They did good for me but they've screwed over several friends of mine. Badly. Taking advantage of a respectable list for their sort of marginal activities isn't exactly something that rates very high in my book. I am wondering what is funny or comical about being out of work or being forcibly placed out of work these day? Perhaps you read something I didn't. Or perhaps you're a cat lover. Or whatever. chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snipped/ Hello World As some one who spent a several months out of work last year I am wondering just what this guy did wrong? Perhaps he was a little foolish and his prose was a tad bit contrite, but he did flag the subject as out-of-topic [OT]. Maybe he should used a different call sign [JOB] or something else for example. A little of over a month ago his post would have been up-lifting for me, a sign of the green shoots of recovery even if the role was US of A. I am wondering what is funny or comical about being out of work or being forcibly placed out of work these day? Nothing, unless you were formerly employed as a technical recruiter in silicon valley. Then the irony is just too much for me and I bubble over with mirth. In case you hadn't noticed, they were just giving the guy a little hell for recruiting on a user-list for open-source software. I assume you feel smugly morally superior to them in labeling his post ..a little foolish.. and ..a tad bit contrite.., rather than just issuing a similar flippant response? -- Peter Pilgrim ServerSide Java Specialist / Contractor / Consultant My on-line resume and for interview videos about myself, J2EE Open Source, Struts and Expresso. || \\=== `` http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/no-it-striker.html '' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe Barefoot wrote: snipped/ Hello World As some one who spent a several months out of work last year I am wondering just what this guy did wrong? Perhaps he was a little foolish and his prose was a tad bit contrite, but he did flag the subject as out-of-topic [OT]. Maybe he should used a different call sign [JOB] or something else for example. A little of over a month ago his post would have been up-lifting for me, a sign of the green shoots of recovery even if the role was US of A. I am wondering what is funny or comical about being out of work or being forcibly placed out of work these day? Nothing, unless you were formerly employed as a technical recruiter in silicon valley. Then the irony is just too much for me and I bubble over with mirth. In case you hadn't noticed, they were just giving the guy a little hell for recruiting on a user-list for open-source software. I assume you feel smugly morally superior to them in labeling his post ..a little foolish.. and ..a tad bit contrite.., rather than just issuing a similar flippant response? I have always been a developer. Recruitment is flipping hard and I have been on both sides of the fence. I have been programming at my desk, when suddenly my former manager comes over and says, we got to interview a candidate now, I need your opinion and feedback, he's just away. That sort of thing spontaneous recruitment, and that was back in the dotcom bubbling days. Naivety and stupidity is even more prevalent now. People with write 4 1/2 years Java on their CV and then they cant tell me what is the different between a `Vector' and `Hashtable'. So what you expect a foolish and tad bit contrite recruiter to come up with as suitable candidates? It just appears to me that althought they were pulling the apex recruiter's leg, it could be interpreted that they are unsympathetic to people who are staring depressing hard at the their very last month of money left before the house gets repossessed by the mortgage company and law courts. ( Yep points should be given to coming to the source of Struts) I just wanted to bring balance to this. The ying and the yang, you know what I mean? -- Peter Pilgrim ServerSide Java Specialist / Indepedent Contractor Expresso committer -+ | `` http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/no-it-striker.html '' | +-+ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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snip/ It just appears to me that althought they were pulling the apex recruiter's leg, it could be interpreted that they are unsympathetic to people who are staring depressing hard at the their very last month of money left before the house gets repossessed by the mortgage company and law courts. Huh? Where did you get that idea? We are not unsympathetic. Our joking was more of friends having a little fun and was NOT meant as banter. Hell, I was in that same boat just after the 9/11 disaster. I've a wife and 3 kids (10, 7, and 3)my wife's career doesn't have incomeI came to about 15 days from losing my home before getting a break, so stop acting like you're the only one who's having problems dude!!! ( Yep points should be given to coming to the source of Struts) I just wanted to bring balance to this. The ying and the yang, you know what I mean? -- Peter Pilgrim ServerSide Java Specialist / Indepedent Contractor -- James Mitchell -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear--
You're having baby goats??? The imagination explodes -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:17 PM P.S. I case anyone is wonder..I AM KIDDING -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Not spam...I swear--
H...that's about 3 cases of good beer per referral. Okay, count me in! For every candidate you glean from http://www.lincolntech.com/locations/columbia.html I expect 3 cases of respectable English ale or Irish stout. I had another URL, but I can't find the matchbook. Mark -Original Message- From: Aileen Cardenas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:44 PM one of you has some friends and family out of work and it can't hurt for you to ask them--if you refer the person to me who gets the contract, you receive a $100 referral fee. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Not spam...I swear--
I had six of them suckers going one time.had to stop when I started yanking out furthey're not as cute with missing patches of hair. -- James Mitchell P.S. I case anyone is wonder..I AM KIDDING - Original Message - From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Not spam...I swear-- How many at once? -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:48 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Not spam...I swear-- What kind of talent do you want? I'm pretty good at juggling cats. -- James Mitchell -Original Message- From: Aileen Cardenas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not spam...I swear-- --just digging for TALENT! When I find the right person, I will unsubscribe--I promise! I HAD to ask the experts for referrals, you certainly can't blame me for trying! Anyhow, I am sure that one of you has some friends and family out of work and it can't hurt for you to ask them--if you refer the person to me who gets the contract, you receive a $100 referral fee. It's a win-win-win! Toll free 877-317-8700, or direct 650-583-3600. Thanks for your help! Ms. Aileen Aileen Cardenas Technical Recruiter Apex Systems, Inc. 1250 Bayhill Drive, Suite 101 San Bruno, CA 94066 650-583-3600 650-583-3668 Fax www.apexsystemsinc.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
