Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts [slightly off-topic]
This is entirely inappropriate for this list, please take comments such as these off-line with interested parties. Please keep posts to this list professional and above-board. ajay brar wrote: hi! i was going to take this opportunity to point out how CIO's are generally big duds, esp the CIO in Accenture, who is an even greater dud going by what little contact i have had with Accenture staff. why? well there was this project i did as part of uni which used Struts and the accenture person chose another project that just mentioned the likelihood of using MS Biztalk and that was enough for a 1st prize. Seems Apache is not as well thought of as MS. Or so was my experience. so i'm surprised to learn that Accenture uses Struts all the time. but with CIO's from my experience, most of them belong to another era and just have difficulty coming to terms with how stuff is done today, and having no clue of that, they just content themselves with raising as many hurdles as possible. Moreover they have deep reservations for any software which is open source and/or free. well thats my $0.02 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:28:05 -0600 Sorry about that - Joe caught a Freudian slip in my mail. It is the client CIO (I tend to slip that way and think of him as mine). Accenture uses Struts all of the time (we use it in our base offering - that is why we want to use it here). Sorry for the confusion. Thanks again to everyone, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 -Original Message- From: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:13 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts Importance: High >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is doing it? That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits instead of just watching the crowds. Isn't innovation a big buzzword for consulting companies like that? My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and is already available for dealer registration; the public should be able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories from local dealers in Q1 2004. My company has also developed a number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being ported to Struts. We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components. But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of hiring people who might come in already experienced in a framework well, that's one way to do it. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there." -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National Cattlemen's Beef Association - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
We've only got the 1st phase done, and there's still much to be done but http://www.murphyandnye.com This is a B2C site, but just displays the products and allows simple ordering at the moment. Next phase is the full ecommerce stuff. As it happens its done with struts. We've carved this out with team of two in a couple of weeks, with only one of us with any real java/jsp experience (thats me). Hibernate is being used to create the object model. I'd say that this would have taken a lot longer without using struts-hibernate and xdoclet. And after all time and resources is what CIO will be mostly worried about. One thing i would say is that dynaforms will cost you more time than they appear to save at first, but others might disagree with me. At my old company who are part of the WPP collective like accenture, used EJB's for the OM which i remember took ages and make refactoring very difficult. Hibernate probably has saved more time than struts in the sense that I've added and changed the model a few times as new information has come to us. That said some of the time cutting benefits have been due to struts, validator, tiles being two major factors. But also more importantly has been the fact that struts gives me a framework in which to work where even in sleep depraved states I've been able to stick to a pattern. Hope this helps, I do think that you CIO is just challenging your ideas to make sure you cover all bases, which i guess is what s/he is supposed to. Hope this helps. Mark On 19 Dec 2003, at 07:03, James Mitchell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's funny. I'm on a contract right now with Accenture and we are using it as part of GRNDS. All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -- James Mitchell Software Developer / Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's funny. I'm on a contract right now with Accenture and we are using it as part of GRNDS. > All: > > > > Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not > widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably > commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > > > The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to > ours that are using Struts already. > > > > Thanks very much, > > Russell > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 310-426-5587 > > > > > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, > proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the > email by you is prohibited. > -- James Mitchell Software Developer / Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts [slightly off-topic]
hi! i was going to take this opportunity to point out how CIO's are generally big duds, esp the CIO in Accenture, who is an even greater dud going by what little contact i have had with Accenture staff. why? well there was this project i did as part of uni which used Struts and the accenture person chose another project that just mentioned the likelihood of using MS Biztalk and that was enough for a 1st prize. Seems Apache is not as well thought of as MS. Or so was my experience. so i'm surprised to learn that Accenture uses Struts all the time. but with CIO's from my experience, most of them belong to another era and just have difficulty coming to terms with how stuff is done today, and having no clue of that, they just content themselves with raising as many hurdles as possible. Moreover they have deep reservations for any software which is open source and/or free. well thats my $0.02 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:28:05 -0600 Sorry about that - Joe caught a Freudian slip in my mail. It is the client CIO (I tend to slip that way and think of him as mine). Accenture uses Struts all of the time (we use it in our base offering - that is why we want to use it here). Sorry for the confusion. Thanks again to everyone, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 -Original Message- From: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:13 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts Importance: High >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is doing it? That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits instead of just watching the crowds. Isn't innovation a big buzzword for consulting companies like that? My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and is already available for dealer registration; the public should be able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories from local dealers in Q1 2004. My company has also developed a number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being ported to Struts. We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components. But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of hiring people who might come in already experienced in a framework well, that's one way to do it. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there." -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National Cattlemen's Beef Association - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
Canadian Firearms Registry system. (https://secure.ecom.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/eCFRSInternet/openLicenceEntry.do?language=English) It must be scalable because I waited until close to the deadline for registering my firearms and it was responsive (last year all non-restricted firearms in Canada (i.e. hunting rifles) were required to be registered by Jan 1 2001). Craig W. Tataryn From: "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:08:37 -0600 This question comes up periodically, so I started a list of Struts-powered sites. http://simonpeter.com/techie/java/struts/sites.html I hope this helps. I know that I wouldn't like to think about not using it on the Intranet application that I head up the development team for. It has greatly aided our productivity and has now come through it's second peak season with flying colours. We started with Struts 1.0 and with a little help from Chuck Cavaness we were early adopters of 1.1. :-) Simon >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:49 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts >Importance: High > > >All: > > > >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that >it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > > >The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to >ours that are using Struts already. > > > >Thanks very much, > >Russell > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >310-426-5587 > > > > > >This message is for the designated recipient only and may >contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private >information. If you have received it in error, please notify >the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use >of the email by you is prohibited. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
Capitalone Officedepot hotels.com On 木, 2003-12-18 at 13:30, Dalmia, Swati wrote: > First Bank is B2C . they are using > https://www.efirstbank.com/ibank1/logonload.do > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:49 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts > Importance: High > > > All: > > > > Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not > widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably > commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > > > The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to > ours that are using Struts already. > > > > Thanks very much, > > Russell > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 310-426-5587 > > > > > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, > proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the > email by you is prohibited. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
First Bank is B2C . they are using https://www.efirstbank.com/ibank1/logonload.do -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts Importance: High All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
The UK National Lottery at http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/ runs on Struts. Let me assure you that Struts works JUST fine on B2C sites. That site has gone to hell and back during the testing period, including thorough security audits and performance testing to make sure the performance requirements were met. Let's just say that the volume of hits is expected to be rather large. Your CIO is smoking crack. -TPP - This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
TiVO Central Online (the service by which people log in and schedule programs and other operations on their TiVOs through the web) runs on Struts. https://www3.tivo.com/tivo-com/tco/index.do Of course, you have to have a TiVO with Home Media Option to log in and do anything meaningful on the Struts portion of the site. (The article content is from an ASP-based CMS.) -Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
just smile a little bit in a "yeah right" manner. he's just challenging you or plain old bulshiting.. Sure struts isn't used in all b2c sites, but so what, is that a point ? IMO If his team take to it then why not, its more a question of java/jsp or not that struts. On 18 Dec 2003, at 16:03, Max Cooper wrote: http://www.fiskars.com/ is using Struts, too. -Max - Original Message - From: "Andy Engle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. It looks like www.verizonwireless.com has their entire user account setup done with Struts. I love it -- has a great look, lots of information, charts, past billing info, the works. On top of that, it's all pretty quick and easy to use. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
Hello Russell, you might want to have a look at http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsWebLinks I also found the following site: http://www.isdcards.com ..but you'll probably find many more searching the Internet (for example, if you search google for "powered by Struts"). HTH Best regards, Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
I am sure part of it is just that he doesn't want to choose something that doesn't have a lot of mind/market share. How many people use something is a decent (but not perfect) indicator of how likely it will be that support will be available in the future, and that the skills acquired in learning and using the tool will have value in the future. Perhaps a good supporting argument for the CIO would be how many messages have been posted in response to your question in such a short period of time -- or how many messages are posted on this list per day. Struts is about as active as any project that I know of, and has been for long time. :-) -Max - Original Message - From: "Joe Germuska" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:13 AM Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts > >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not > >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably > >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether > Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is > doing it? > > That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted > technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits > instead of just watching the crowds. Isn't innovation a big buzzword > for consulting companies like that? > > My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn > and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and > is already available for dealer registration; the public should be > able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories > from local dealers in Q1 2004. My company has also developed a > number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to > consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were > either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being > ported to Struts. > > We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for > companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal > healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components. > > But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks > from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a > large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and > train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of > hiring people who might come in already experienced in a > framework well, that's one way to do it. > > Joe > -- > Joe Germuska > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://blog.germuska.com > "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there." >-- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National > Cattlemen's Beef Association > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts
Sorry about that - Joe caught a Freudian slip in my mail. It is the client CIO (I tend to slip that way and think of him as mine). Accenture uses Struts all of the time (we use it in our base offering - that is why we want to use it here). Sorry for the confusion. Thanks again to everyone, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 -Original Message- From: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:13 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts Importance: High >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is doing it? That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits instead of just watching the crowds. Isn't innovation a big buzzword for consulting companies like that? My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and is already available for dealer registration; the public should be able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories from local dealers in Q1 2004. My company has also developed a number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being ported to Struts. We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components. But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of hiring people who might come in already experienced in a framework well, that's one way to do it. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there." -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National Cattlemen's Beef Association - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:13:24AM -0600, Joe Germuska wrote: > >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not > >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably > >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether > Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is > doing it? > > That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted > technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits > instead of just watching the crowds. A big company like that is *exactly* where I would expect to see that sort of behavior. > Isn't innovation a big buzzword for consulting companies like that? When you add in that they're a consulting company whose clients are big companies, it even makes a sort of sense. Big companies like Accenture's clients are risk-aversive. My little bit for the Struts promulgation committee: While working on a non-struts consulting project at Mellon AFCO in July, across the hallway was a major Struts project. I'm not sure what the outside name was, Mellon AFCO's corporation's main customer business is in offering financial services to the insurance industry. -- Steven J. Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I'm going to make broad, sweeping generalizations and strong, declarative statements, because otherwise I'll be here all night and this document will be four times longer and much less fun to read. Take it all with a grain of salt." - Me at http://darksleep.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts
Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The CIO of a company as big as Accenture is going to decide whether Struts should be used or not based on whether or not anyone else is doing it? That's pretty weak. You'd think he'd at least have some trusted technology advisers that could help him decide based on the merits instead of just watching the crowds. Isn't innovation a big buzzword for consulting companies like that? My last project, a collaborative commerce project with a major lawn and garden equipment manufacturer, is built entirely upon Struts, and is already available for dealer registration; the public should be able to use the client's site to purchase tractors and accessories from local dealers in Q1 2004. My company has also developed a number of applications in the home appliances industry for direct to consumer and manufacturer-collaborative appliance sales which were either built from the ground up with Struts, or are gradually being ported to Struts. We also use Struts to run the primary consumer facing sites for companies in home furniture, office furniture, and personal healthcare products which don't currently have commerce components. But hey, if he wants you to write your own web application frameworks from the ground up, and internally perform all the testing that a large user community has already done on the Struts codebase and train all your new employees on the internal way to do it instead of hiring people who might come in already experienced in a framework well, that's one way to do it. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com "We want beef in dessert if we can get it there." -- Betty Hogan, Director of New Product Development, National Cattlemen's Beef Association - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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what frame work does he want to use then? Im not a struts user yet, but from what i see the framework is not BtoC / BtoB specific. imo. im guessing the cio hasnt even looked at struts to see if it would help provide support to the project. next my question is how big is the site? if its just a few pages. i would guess jsp with beans would do it struts would most likely be over kill. but if it has a larger group of features/functions struts would serently in that development. does that make a valid argument with out knowing much about the project. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 12/15/2003 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This question comes up periodically, so I started a list of Struts-powered sites. http://simonpeter.com/techie/java/struts/sites.html I hope this helps. I know that I wouldn't like to think about not using it on the Intranet application that I head up the development team for. It has greatly aided our productivity and has now come through it's second peak season with flying colours. We started with Struts 1.0 and with a little help from Chuck Cavaness we were early adopters of 1.1. :-) Simon >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:49 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts >Importance: High > > >All: > > > >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that >it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > > >The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to >ours that are using Struts already. > > > >Thanks very much, > >Russell > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >310-426-5587 > > > > > >This message is for the designated recipient only and may >contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private >information. If you have received it in error, please notify >the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use >of the email by you is prohibited. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I believe that major portions of the kraft.com and saralee.com consumer sites are also driven using J2EE/Struts, based on a training session I went to yesterday with the consulting group that is helping/developing their sites. Brice Ruth wrote: http://www.fiskars.com/ - our "buy online" functionality is launching later this evening, integrating with a 3rd-party fulfillment vendor. All aspects of the site, including the localization to French & German (with 12 more localizations to launch in Q1/Q2 of '04) are driven through Struts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.fiskars.com/ is using Struts, too. -Max - Original Message - From: "Andy Engle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: Re: URGENT - Help defending Struts > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is > > not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, > > preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be > > extremely helpful. > > It looks like www.verizonwireless.com has their entire user account > setup done with Struts. I love it -- has a great look, lots of > information, charts, past billing info, the works. On top of that, > it's all pretty quick and easy to use. > > > Andy > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.verizonwireless.com -Original Message- From: Ben Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: URGENT - Help defending Struts http://www.paychex.com/demos/s125/index.html you can't directly access it, because it's a subsription service, but there's a flash tour of the site. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:48:35 -0600 > >All: > > > >Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not >widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably >commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. > > > >The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to >ours that are using Struts already. > > > >Thanks very much, > >Russell > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >310-426-5587 > > > > > >This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain >privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have >received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the >original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. _ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.fiskars.com/ - our "buy online" functionality is launching later this evening, integrating with a 3rd-party fulfillment vendor. All aspects of the site, including the localization to French & German (with 12 more localizations to launch in Q1/Q2 of '04) are driven through Struts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -- Brice D. Ruth Sr. IT Analyst Fiskars Brands, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is > not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, > preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be > extremely helpful. It looks like www.verizonwireless.com has their entire user account setup done with Struts. I love it -- has a great look, lots of information, charts, past billing info, the works. On top of that, it's all pretty quick and easy to use. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.roomandboard.com http://www.retrospecthome.com At 09:48 AM 12/18/2003, you wrote: All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.paymentech.com Also, IBM uses Struts for the WebSphere Admin Console HTH, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] enture.comTo: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: 12/18/2003 10:48 AM Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.paychex.com/demos/s125/index.html you can't directly access it, because it's a subsription service, but there's a flash tour of the site. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: URGENT - Help defending Struts Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:48:35 -0600 All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. _ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.travelocity.com (flight + hotel search section) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:URGENT - Help defending Struts Importance: High All: Our CIO is currently fighting the use of Struts by saying that it is not widely used in B2C sites. Does anyone know of any sites, preferably commerce sites that are using Struts? This would be extremely helpful. The issue is that the CIO is looking for sites that may be similar to ours that are using Struts already. Thanks very much, Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-426-5587 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
