RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
We have used Struts to build an Internet Banking application and have shaved a lot off the budget IBM Global Services charged for developing a previous web application. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 January, 2003 22:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Since we're on the subject What kind of applications are being built using Struts? We're one of those big companies where many folks would rather roll our own. One of the defenses is that Struts was designed for web sites not servicing apps. Now I know that statement holds no merit, but it would be nice to have some validations. Greg -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:35 PM To: 'Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford No, actually apache and apache tomcat will be deployed as well. That's a part of the whole Linux deployment strategy as well. We are now working on the global load to deploy both. Ilya -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Sent: 1/23/03 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the company. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Standard Bank. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Hehe yeh. Gimme a Holden anyday ;-) Monaro v8 drool/ -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 02:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Now if they could just make 1 decent car... David From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 FYI … I thought people might be interested to know that Ford Motor Company has chosen Struts to use as their officially supported Servlet framework. Interestingly, support is being provided through IBM although I'm not sure what they can offer above the user list =) Here is the statement from the Java Center of Excellent website: quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote I'd be interested to hear what people think about the last part of the quote… Currently, Ford is distributing 1.1b2. I imagine there will be quite a delay before they actually distribute 1.1 final (when it comes out), which I don't think is in the best interest of the project teams. --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com http://www.chikli.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Joe, how many people do you have on your development team for this project and how long has it taken to develop it? Thanks, Greg -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:53 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford We use Struts for a full-blown inward-facing web application, and it works great in all respects. Last time I checked, we had over 700 classes in our web tier alone (Actions, ActionForms, helpers, tags, etc.), and over 600 JSPs. I don't even want to think about what a cluster-f$%k that would be without Struts. We have had less problems with Struts than pretty much any other layer/technology/software we employ, and that includes Tomcat and JBoss. If you find a better web MVC model, by all means use itand tell me about it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Estimate the cost of doing it yourself and present the numbers to management. The problem is we've already got one, you see... However, it pretty much sucks compared to Struts and would cost millions of dollars just to get it where Struts is right now -- and we'd never really get it to that point anyway. It's not been very difficult to make that case. It's just a matter of whether the guys w/ the cash will see it the way we do. I think it's all a moot point right now b/c the decision has all but been made. I get the feeling I'll not be leaving this list anytime soon... Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Struts officially supported at Ford
FYI … I thought people might be interested to know that Ford Motor Company has chosen Struts to use as their officially supported Servlet framework. Interestingly, support is being provided through IBM although I'm not sure what they can offer above the user list =) Here is the statement from the Java Center of Excellent website: quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote I'd be interested to hear what people think about the last part of the quote… Currently, Ford is distributing 1.1b2. I imagine there will be quite a delay before they actually distribute 1.1 final (when it comes out), which I don't think is in the best interest of the project teams. --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com http://www.chikli.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Now if they could just make 1 decent car... David From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 FYI … I thought people might be interested to know that Ford Motor Company has chosen Struts to use as their officially supported Servlet framework. Interestingly, support is being provided through IBM although I'm not sure what they can offer above the user list =) Here is the statement from the Java Center of Excellent website: quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote I'd be interested to hear what people think about the last part of the quote… Currently, Ford is distributing 1.1b2. I imagine there will be quite a delay before they actually distribute 1.1 final (when it comes out), which I don't think is in the best interest of the project teams. --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com http://www.chikli.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. There were numerous fixes put in after b2, including the entire Struts-EL contribution. Hopefully they can upgrade their support pretty quickly. -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford FYI ... I thought people might be interested to know that Ford Motor Company has chosen Struts to use as their officially supported Servlet framework. Interestingly, support is being provided through IBM although I'm not sure what they can offer above the user list =) Here is the statement from the Java Center of Excellent website: quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote I'd be interested to hear what people think about the last part of the quote... Currently, Ford is distributing 1.1b2. I imagine there will be quite a delay before they actually distribute 1.1 final (when it comes out), which I don't think is in the best interest of the project teams. --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com http://www.chikli.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
You're right, the quote does not say anything about 1.1b2, but I can assure you, that is what is being used. It's probably written that way on the site so they don't have to change it so often =) . They do plan to go to newer releases, but there is going to be a delay between the actual Struts release, the time it takes for IBM to OK it, and then the time it takes for Ford to OK IBM's OK. Also, they haven't actually made any modifications to the distribution, but do include some logging stuff that ties into WebSphere (the Ford supported J2EE appserver). --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:17 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
about as much as Microsoft makes a legitimate operating system. ;) -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:37 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Now this is certainly good news. It's great to see Corporate support for OSSespecially Struts. This is definitely a win win for everyone! -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Karr, David wrote: It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. There were numerous fixes put in after b2, including the entire Struts-EL contribution. Hopefully they can upgrade their support pretty quickly. Don't give them too hard a time about this. It's absolutely appropriate for organizations responsible for mission critical software to be conservative in their version choices -- and every such organization I'm familiar with puts any potential new version through very extensive testing (for example, against existing apps or against any in house customizations they did to the previous version) before putting their stamp of approval on it. Struts 1.1b3 hasn't been out long enough to go through a cycle like that -- and, if I were in their shoes, given the timing, I'd probably just skip certifying b3 and go certify 1.1 final. What I'm very pleased about, though, is that Ford gets it in a different respsect -- they didn't consider beta to be a four-letter word :-). Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
Let me guess..you work for GM? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
He sure doesn't sound like someone who drives a Ford! Simon 95 Ford Probe GT 24v and happy about it Chappell -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:25 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Let me guess..you work for GM? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. Soon to be unwrapt? Actually, there is no english word that matches that pattern, according to my crossword-solving program. Would you like to buy a vowel? Perhaps you meant b*n*r*pt? James Turner Owner Manager, Black Bear Software, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author: MySQL JSP Web Applications: Data Driven Programming Using Tomcat and MySQL ISBN 0672323095; SAMS, 2002 Co-Author: Struts Kick Start ISBN 0672324725; SAMS, 2002 Forthcoming: JavaServer Faces Kick Start SAMS, Fall 2003 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
Simon, You need to get the BBC Micro-Powered El Cameno... Sorry, is it Friday yet??? -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what He sure doesn't sound like someone who drives a Ford! Simon 95 Ford Probe GT 24v and happy about it Chappell -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:25 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Let me guess..you work for GM? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
You're probably right. -- James '97 Chevy Blazer and 2003 Dodge Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:31 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what He sure doesn't sound like someone who drives a Ford! Simon 95 Ford Probe GT 24v and happy about it Chappell -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:25 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Let me guess..you work for GM? -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org/ The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) -Original Message- From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail
[OT] RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
Your message doesn't make any sense. David From: francis A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:04 -0500 ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Don't they require drivers, too? -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:50 PM No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
Up the dosage -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:28 PM Your message doesn't make any sense. From: francis A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:04 -0500 ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
you are correct just before meeting i have to type and hence typo... From: James Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:32:07 -0500 From: francis A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. Soon to be unwrapt? Actually, there is no english word that matches that pattern, according to my crossword-solving program. Would you like to buy a vowel? Perhaps you meant b*n*r*pt? James Turner Owner Manager, Black Bear Software, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author: MySQL JSP Web Applications: Data Driven Programming Using Tomcat and MySQL ISBN 0672323095; SAMS, 2002 Co-Author: Struts Kick Start ISBN 0672324725; SAMS, 2002 Forthcoming: JavaServer Faces Kick Start SAMS, Fall 2003 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
On the internet, no one knows if you're a dog. He's a real member of the list and his email says he's called Joe Barefoot. What else is there to know? :-) a list member allegedly called Simon Chappell -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Mark seems to operate under different laws of the universe than the rest of us. I suspect that this one wouldn't apply to him either. -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Now is that specific case of death enforced by public stoning? -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Nope, tiling. -Original Message- From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:57 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Now is that specific case of death enforced by public stoning? -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Is that a Punjab? Michael Oliver AppsAsPeers LLC 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Phone:(520)574-1150 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
EE!!! Spin again. -Original Message- From: Mike Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:59 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that a Punjab? Michael Oliver AppsAsPeers LLC 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Phone:(520)574-1150 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
I agree here - The typical big company response would've been to build their own custom framework from the ground up. The fact that they chose to start with Struts shows they put a good deal of thought into it and trusted the quality of the work. It's very likely that they had internal projects be successful using Struts and then ramped it up as a standard. I'm sure they did a great deal of testing on it and had some camps pulling to build something custom. There were likely other competing frameworks as well. This is one of the greatest strengths of Open Source - as a large company you can take the app and customize to your internal environment. For example: - You could create abstract 'model' components that standardize they way people throughout the company perform database access (or web sevice access). - You could customize it to provide a standard method of acquiring and storing user credentials so that all applications manage user information the same way. - You could implement plug-ins to perform custom and standardized logging (assuming there is a standard logging process already in place). The possibilities are endless - I'll bet anything this is not the last time we here of a Fortune 500 company adopting Struts for intrnal development. Craig R. McClanahan To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) 01/23/2003 02:18 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Karr, David wrote: It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. There were numerous fixes put in after b2, including the entire Struts-EL contribution. Hopefully they can upgrade their support pretty quickly. Don't give them too hard a time about this. It's absolutely appropriate for organizations responsible for mission critical software to be conservative in their version choices -- and every such organization I'm familiar with puts any potential new version through very extensive testing (for example, against existing apps or against any in house customizations they did to the previous version) before putting their stamp of approval on it. Struts 1.1b3 hasn't been out long enough to go through a cycle like that -- and, if I were in their shoes, given the timing, I'd probably just skip certifying b3 and go certify 1.1 final. What I'm very pleased about, though, is that Ford gets it in a different respsect -- they didn't consider beta to be a four-letter word :-). Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
I never studied law. Joe just goes by Barefoot on this list. Elsewhere he's known as Joe Millionaire. Perhaps you've seen him on TV? Before he made his fortune as a Java developer, he cleaned septic tanks for a living. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:56 PM Mark seems to operate under different laws of the universe than the rest of us. I suspect that this one wouldn't apply to him either. -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:54 PM Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
I don't do that anymore -Original Message- From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:57 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Now is that specific case of death enforced by public stoning? -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
How does that go, Those without stones...throw what you have. Michael Oliver AppsAsPeers LLC 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Phone:(520)574-1150 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Now is that specific case of death enforced by public stoning? -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Struts at Lands' End, Inc. (was RE: Struts officially supported at Ford)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford snip I'll bet anything this is not the last time we here of a Fortune 500 company adopting Struts for intrnal development. Like my employer perhaps? Lands' End, Inc. has not made big fancy formal announcements, but we have the blessing and endorsement of our architecture group to use Struts for both internal and customer facing development projects. Our Business Outfitters (B2B) site is currently being rewritten using Struts. The project that I was on in 2002 was for an internal warehouse packing system and even now, the plans are being laid to work on phase two. Struts rocks and next time you order a Lands' End shirt (that was a hint), there's a good chance that Struts helped to pack and ship it! :-) Simon - Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
LMAO!!! Friday has come early... Mark Galbreath wrote: I never studied law. Joe just goes by Barefoot on this list. Elsewhere he's known as Joe Millionaire. Perhaps you've seen him on TV? Before he made his fortune as a Java developer, he cleaned septic tanks for a living. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:56 PM Mark seems to operate under different laws of the universe than the rest of us. I suspect that this one wouldn't apply to him either. -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:54 PM Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Actually, the case is more impressive than you describe. Struts won out over several custom frameworks that currently exist within ford and have quite a bit of political clout behind them. What won out in the end was that there was no good cost-effective support model for the internal frameworks. Too many resources would have to be spent supporting/updating the alternatives. --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford I agree here - The typical big company response would've been to build their own custom framework from the ground up. The fact that they chose to start with Struts shows they put a good deal of thought into it and trusted the quality of the work. It's very likely that they had internal projects be successful using Struts and then ramped it up as a standard. I'm sure they did a great deal of testing on it and had some camps pulling to build something custom. There were likely other competing frameworks as well. This is one of the greatest strengths of Open Source - as a large company you can take the app and customize to your internal environment. For example: - You could create abstract 'model' components that standardize they way people throughout the company perform database access (or web sevice access). - You could customize it to provide a standard method of acquiring and storing user credentials so that all applications manage user information the same way. - You could implement plug-ins to perform custom and standardized logging (assuming there is a standard logging process already in place). The possibilities are endless - I'll bet anything this is not the last time we here of a Fortune 500 company adopting Struts for intrnal development. Craig R. McClanahan To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) 01/23/2003 02:18 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Karr, David wrote: It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. There were numerous fixes put in after b2, including the entire Struts-EL contribution. Hopefully they can upgrade their support pretty quickly. Don't give them too hard a time about this. It's absolutely appropriate for organizations responsible for mission critical software to be conservative in their version choices -- and every such organization I'm familiar with puts any potential new version through very extensive testing (for example, against existing apps or against any in house customizations they did to the previous version) before putting their stamp of approval on it. Struts 1.1b3 hasn't been out long enough to go through a cycle like that -- and, if I were in their shoes, given the timing, I'd probably just skip certifying b3 and go certify 1.1 final. What I'm very pleased about, though, is that Ford gets it in a different respsect -- they didn't consider beta to be a four-letter word :-). Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
And with other Open Source integration/interops like Axis4Struts, Struts4Slide, Turbine4Strutsand my favorite VelocoRaptor and that list goes on, before long you will be able to concentrate on just the problem you are solving and not worry too much about infrastructure. Michael Oliver AppsAsPeers LLC 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Phone:(520)574-1150 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford I agree here - The typical big company response would've been to build their own custom framework from the ground up. The fact that they chose to start with Struts shows they put a good deal of thought into it and trusted the quality of the work. It's very likely that they had internal projects be successful using Struts and then ramped it up as a standard. I'm sure they did a great deal of testing on it and had some camps pulling to build something custom. There were likely other competing frameworks as well. This is one of the greatest strengths of Open Source - as a large company you can take the app and customize to your internal environment. For example: - You could create abstract 'model' components that standardize they way people throughout the company perform database access (or web sevice access). - You could customize it to provide a standard method of acquiring and storing user credentials so that all applications manage user information the same way. - You could implement plug-ins to perform custom and standardized logging (assuming there is a standard logging process already in place). The possibilities are endless - I'll bet anything this is not the last time we here of a Fortune 500 company adopting Struts for intrnal development. Craig R. McClanahan To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) 01/23/2003 02:18 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Karr, David wrote: It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. There were numerous fixes put in after b2, including the entire Struts-EL contribution. Hopefully they can upgrade their support pretty quickly. Don't give them too hard a time about this. It's absolutely appropriate for organizations responsible for mission critical software to be conservative in their version choices -- and every such organization I'm familiar with puts any potential new version through very extensive testing (for example, against existing apps or against any in house customizations they did to the previous version) before putting their stamp of approval on it. Struts 1.1b3 hasn't been out long enough to go through a cycle like that -- and, if I were in their shoes, given the timing, I'd probably just skip certifying b3 and go certify 1.1 final. What I'm very pleased about, though, is that Ford gets it in a different respsect -- they didn't consider beta to be a four-letter word :-). Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Or likely any less...;-) Michael Oliver AppsAsPeers LLC 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 Phone:(520)574-1150 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:07 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I don't do that anymore -Original Message- From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:57 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Now is that specific case of death enforced by public stoning? -Original Message- From: James Childers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Under Sharia law puns that bad are punishable by death. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:51 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, that's his real name. He hunts buffalo with a java-lin, too. -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford It was a real question. No offense :) -Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:41 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford There are those on the precipice, and then there are those in the abyss -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:59 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
No, actually apache and apache tomcat will be deployed as well. That's a part of the whole Linux deployment strategy as well. We are now working on the global load to deploy both. Ilya -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Sent: 1/23/03 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what
Exactly what I was going to say. Some people responded, but I coudldn't since I wasn't sure if this was meant to be an explanation, or a bunch of word glued together. Certainly not English. -Original Message- From: David Graham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/23/03 12:27 PM Subject: [OT] RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Your message doesn't make any sense. David From: francis A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford--so what Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:04 -0500 ford is not the big company which has deployed struts.I have worked in three project for past 15 months and all are big players in the industried today.And all the three company have deployed the app on websphere z/os(os/390-mainframe)which is a very good news when compared to all those S*** to be *n**r*pt companies. From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:01:14 -0500 Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford
Yep. Jose Descalzo to my spanish-speaking friends. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:59 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Is that your real name? -Original Message- From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Mark, I believe your particular brand of flippant facetiousness is being lost in a sea of literalism these days. You must be so depressed. :) -Original Message- From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford No, IBM doesn't make cars. They make computers. -Original Message- From: Emmanuel Boudrant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:48 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, AS/400 Cars...;) --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : IBM makes cars? -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:05 PM Now if they could just make 1 decent car... From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:47 -0500 The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Since we're on the subject What kind of applications are being built using Struts? We're one of those big companies where many folks would rather roll our own. One of the defenses is that Struts was designed for web sites not servicing apps. Now I know that statement holds no merit, but it would be nice to have some validations. Greg -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:35 PM To: 'Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford No, actually apache and apache tomcat will be deployed as well. That's a part of the whole Linux deployment strategy as well. We are now working on the global load to deploy both. Ilya -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Sent: 1/23/03 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
What the heck does that mean? Struts is a framework which facilitates the building of browser-based applications in a way that enhances their maintainability. It's perfectly applicable, probably more so, for building inward or outward facing service applications. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Since we're on the subject What kind of applications are being built using Struts? We're one of those big companies where many folks would rather roll our own. One of the defenses is that Struts was designed for web sites not servicing apps. Now I know that statement holds no merit, but it would be nice to have some validations. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
There is a difference between a website and a web app. Struts is designed for web applications not just a collection of scripts known as a site. Of course, Struts is equally well suited for creating a website. The technical people at your company probably want to roll their own but the management will be swayed by $ figures. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent developing Struts. Not really, but if we were all paid to do this then that would be true. Estimate the cost of doing it yourself and present the numbers to management. David From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:41:24 -0600 Since we're on the subject What kind of applications are being built using Struts? We're one of those big companies where many folks would rather roll our own. One of the defenses is that Struts was designed for web sites not servicing apps. Now I know that statement holds no merit, but it would be nice to have some validations. Greg -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:35 PM To: 'Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) '; ''Struts Users Mailing List' ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford No, actually apache and apache tomcat will be deployed as well. That's a part of the whole Linux deployment strategy as well. We are now working on the global load to deploy both. Ilya -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Sent: 1/23/03 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Yes, my understanding is that Solaris is out the door and Linux/Intel is in for new stuff. I believe that WebSphere 5.0 will only be deployed on Linux here, so teams that want to upgrade will have to migrate from Solaris -- Linux --- - Nayan Hajratwala - Chikli Consulting LLC - http://www.chikli.com -Original Message- From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:32 PM To: 'Mark Lepkowski '; 'Struts Users Mailing List ' Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Hmmm, great. I'm a consultant for Ford, they taken a clear Open Source initiative last year. They are also implementing Linux and other Open Source technologies. Ilya -Original Message- From: Mark Lepkowski To: Struts Users Mailing List Sent: 1/23/03 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Struts officially supported at Ford I didn't read anything in the quote the mentioned v1.1b2. It sounds to me like maybe IBM has tailored whatever beta version they started with to the point where they want their developers to use that as their common base. - Original Message - From: Karr, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford It's certainly good that they're using 1.1, but somewhat unfortunate that they stopped at b2. (snip) -Original Message- From: Hajratwala, Nayan (N.) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Struts officially supported at Ford (snip) quote The Ford Servlet Framework is a packaged version of Struts 1.1 provided by and supported by IBM. This download includes Struts provided by IBM with some custom integration of the other Frameworks and services provided by the Java COE. The Java COE will only be supporting the versions of Struts downloaded from here. Application teams should NOT be downloading Struts from the Jakarta website but are encouraged to use the website for learning and documentation. /quote (snip) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Struts is a framework which facilitates the building of browser-based applications Oh, I totally agree. The service app concept was defined as needing to maintain state for multiple instances of business objects and respond to events, like a customer call in a call center app, working a work queue, etc. To me Struts handles that fine. You would build in the infrastructure that was needed in the model layer. But, most people on the list speak of developing sites. I wondered how many are actually developing the inward-facing apps as opposed to customer-facing. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
Estimate the cost of doing it yourself and present the numbers to management. The problem is we've already got one, you see... However, it pretty much sucks compared to Struts and would cost millions of dollars just to get it where Struts is right now -- and we'd never really get it to that point anyway. It's not been very difficult to make that case. It's just a matter of whether the guys w/ the cash will see it the way we do. I think it's all a moot point right now b/c the decision has all but been made. I get the feeling I'll not be leaving this list anytime soon... Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts officially supported at Ford
We use Struts for a full-blown inward-facing web application, and it works great in all respects. Last time I checked, we had over 700 classes in our web tier alone (Actions, ActionForms, helpers, tags, etc.), and over 600 JSPs. I don't even want to think about what a cluster-f$%k that would be without Struts. We have had less problems with Struts than pretty much any other layer/technology/software we employ, and that includes Tomcat and JBoss. If you find a better web MVC model, by all means use itand tell me about it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Struts officially supported at Ford Estimate the cost of doing it yourself and present the numbers to management. The problem is we've already got one, you see... However, it pretty much sucks compared to Struts and would cost millions of dollars just to get it where Struts is right now -- and we'd never really get it to that point anyway. It's not been very difficult to make that case. It's just a matter of whether the guys w/ the cash will see it the way we do. I think it's all a moot point right now b/c the decision has all but been made. I get the feeling I'll not be leaving this list anytime soon... Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
