[Sugar-devel] Picked up by Heise UK
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[Sugar-devel] release is out on eReleases and PR Newswire
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[Sugar-devel] we've been slashdotted
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[Sugar-devel] Picked up by OpenNet Russia
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Re: [Sugar-devel] release is out on eReleases and PR Newswire
Reuters and Yahoo, and a number of print and TV station websites in the US have published from PR Newswire: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS103017+24-Jun-2009+PRN20090624 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Sugar-Labs-Announces-prnews-318069825.html?x=0.v=1 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ereleases.com/pr/sugar-labs-announces-availability-sugar-stick-learning-platform-runs-pc-netbook-classroom-22146 http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/06-24-2009/0005049403EDATE= ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] BBC News!
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[Sugar-devel] picked up by CrunchGear, with YouTube video
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Re: [Sugar-devel] testing out browser speed issues
Hi Bryan isn't this up to date? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Opera Sean 2009/6/22 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org: subzero, it just occurred to me that the easiest webkit-based browser to run on the XO is probably Opera. Afaik, it doesn't have a ton of QT dependencies like Konqueror and u won't have to custom compile it for the XO. just a thought -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Strawberry Release just went GOLD
Congratulations Sebastian! Reminder everyone, the press release will go out Wednesday morning on the first day of LinuxTag and FOSSED, we still need translation help with languages other than en-fr-es-it thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm pleased to announce that our final v1 release called strawberry has just been composed! So finally, strawberries for everyone! :) A more detailed announcement, including a link to the file, as well as release notes and related stuff will follow later! Thanks to the whole team, but especially Simon, for the great work! Cheers, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Linuxtag - What is left to do to make it a success?
Great news! I was worried about that thanks Sean On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 06/18/2009 11:13 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 06/18/2009 10:57 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:59:53AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009 Quoting that page: Not permitted by Linuxtag: * wireless access points (You are not permitted to operate your private wireless LAN. Please take this serious. There will be several site surveys to ensure this.) * connect visitors to the project's network Does this mean you can't show off collaboration? CU Sascha I sent that question to the Linuxtag team this morning. Will post here the results. Cheers, Simon We are ok for the mesh. We don't want to much traffic in the dedicated Exhibition Network, because we want to prevent problems at the booth with slow internet access. But if you want to create a WLAN without a connection to the exibition network e.g. to create a mash network, so feel free to do this. Everything is fine then, Simon ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FUDCon hackfest proposal: assessment
My son (nearly 5) was suprised that there was no celebration on successful completion of Maze and Memorize levels, which is a comment on how often he has looked over his big brother's shoulder while playing Nintendo DS games. The first couple of times, he even asked me if he really had completed the level correctly (!) One of my all-time favorite rewards was in Pac-Man, where the solid outlines would blink a couple of times on completion... and run a cute little animation every 3 levels or so, a chance to rest the eyes brain. My older son when he was smaller (6) loved a kids' magazine CD-ROM game where a little bear would jump up and down and wave his arms when a maze level was completed; he would ask to play by saying I want to make Sam the bear happy I feel easter eggs are vital, not only because they are fun, but because finding them and knowing where they are builds confidence that one knows one's computer, that it's a safe place with surprises. Sean P.S; In my misspent youth I distinctly remember the day I topped a million in Defender: the planet exploded, all the landers turned into mutants, every shot generated an extra ship and the console made a terrific racket... the whole bar got excited about it, and I sold the game with 300 lives to a patron for $10 which was a lot of money for me in those days... I later read that the developer had programmed that never imagining that anyone would reach that level On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 18 Jun 2009, at 15:10, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: 0. I'm guessing there will be some simple API, maybe sugar.activity.assess. Or maybe it's actually part of datastore. The obvious thing, to me, is to store it in the Datastore object's metadata properties. Perhaps two integer fields, score and maxscore. No new API required, just a naming convention for these two properties. I'd like to be able to have an Activity store arbitrary awards. This way authors can provide unexpected easter eggs for learners to discover (the trick is to have both obvious and unexpected awards). There was a fair amount of discussion of this at SugarCamp Paris some mockups and write-ups (that I still haven't posted) and several recent threads here and IAEP (I think) between me and David Van Assche. Think (very roughly), in Write while sharing a document New Award! You and 3 or more friends each wrote 300 words. In TurtleArt New Award! You've now tried all the tiles in TurtleArt.. There should be a way of viewing all your awards (and hints as to some missing ones), much like in most game design these days. Likely the best place is in a new Journal view, but only once the idea is proven to be a positive one (there's a lot of friction adding anything new to Journal due to the long term maintenance overhead). I'm pretty tied up just now, hopefully David will kick in :-) If not I might catch up on this next week. Regards, --Gary --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Design review plea.. OLPC desktop switcher
Hi Daniel looks great May I suggest using the word interface instead of desktop from within Sugar? Learners don't use a desktop :-) And, if I may, I'd like to put in a word for having the Sugar logo on the control panel screens referring to Sugar. For example if http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-active-sugar.png said: Active interface environment: followed by a little Sugar logo. Preferably not the green outline/blue fill, we want to rotate through the 12 combinations :-) If a small Sugar logo could be added to the Gnome choose Sugar window that would be grand Sugar logos resources are here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo Also, under the screenshot showing the two environments (http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-active-gnome.png), I feel a small logo would catch the eye more easily than plain text. For the Sugar screenshot, perhaps a dim grey outline showing the frontier between the white background of the screenshot and the white background of the screen would help communicate the choice between the two screens. And, having the fat Sugar mouse pointer in the screenshot would help quick identification too, it's one of the visually striking graphic elements of Sugar and easily recognizable to Learners. Finally, may I suggest adding a Restart now button to the right of the Cancel changes button? If the intent is to reboot in the alternate environment, such a button would save steps and avoid ambiguity, and I'm concerned that the proposed path is to click the check button at the top then reboot manually. Which should by the way work as well, but I feel a dedicated button (as when switching languages) would be clearer. The manual method could remain for someone who for any reason wishes to set the next boot to Gnome (perhaps the little brother who wants to finish up something before rebooting and handing off to big sister). Apple by the way handled exactly this problem with the OS9/OSX boot choices which differed in each environment. As here they propose selecting a different default boot OS and either rebooting right away or deferring it. I don't suppose there will be a keyboard press or combination to bypass default boot desktop and boot into the alternate instead? Apple did that too, in fact with several combos (boot alternate, propose choice etc.) thanks Sean P.S. is it you I could speak with about briefly showing a Sugar logo at Sugar boot? After debating lots of ideas with lots of mockups for Sugar on a Stick we went with a Sugar logo during the first three dots and the Xo avatar for the remaining ones. We chose variant #06 because SoaS v1 will be called Strawberry and we will change the boot color and name for each SoaS iteration, the idea being to aid unsophisticated users who can communicate version info just from the boot logo color. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Eben/other interested victims, I've designed (it's usually bad news when I've designed things) some interfaces that allow for switching between Sugar and GNOME for the XO-1.5 builds. I'm looking for feedback on the design and any suggestions/contributions. By default, laptops boot straight up into Sugar. But you might notice a new icon in the control panel named Switch desktop http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-controlpanel.png If we click on that, under normal circumstances you will see: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-active-sugar.png Then, when you click the Switch to GNOME button, it will look like this: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-active-gnome.png And if everything works right, this one will never be seen, but allows for an escape route if something goes wrong: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/sugar-active-unknown.png When you're in GNOME, there is an icon that says Switch to Sugar on the desktop. It's also on the Applications menu, under System. When you click on it, it brings up a dialog box that tells you to restart and then you'll be back in Sugar again. In this screenshot you can see the desktop item, the menu item, and the output dialog box: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/20090619/gnome-ui.png Code for all of that is at git://dev.laptop.org/users/dsd/olpc-switch-desktop (latest updates to be pushed in a few minutes) The Logout menu item in sugar is disabled. It's still there in GNOME, but I'll look for a way to hide it. (when you logout, it just basically restarts the desktop environment, so it's kind of pointless. A reboot is acceptable for changing DE, and the logout concept is confusing when there wasn't any logging in to begin with.) Thoughts? Thanks, Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Re: [Sugar-devel] Design review plea.. OLPC desktop switcher
Hmmm. For SoaS, I'm wondering why we're discussing this again after we made a choice just under the deadline last week. The issue is that the impression should last at least 3 seconds, and by being present during the dot process we don't delay boot unnnecessarily. We could fade to the Xo avatar instead of cutting to it from the Sugar logo (this version is a sequence of PNGs). However, unless Sebastian indicates changes are possible I'm not sure we can do that by now. The press release will be published Wednesday morning EDT. For the XO-1.5, I'm certainly willing to prolong the previous thread :-) my question really was can we get OLPC on board to communicate at boot time that Sugar is the interface you're looking at thanks Sean On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in agreement with Christian. I think the non-overlapping treatment is cleaner and maintains the purity of the metaphor. Eben PS. Actually, I find the transition less jarring when there are no dots associated with the logo, since it indicates that there is no direct relationship between the two. When the dots are continuous but the graphic in the middle changes, I get the impression I missed something. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 19 Jun 2009, at 18:11, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Gary--is it online somewhere where I could look at it? Maybe I just need to see it... The two to look at for this are: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/4/4b/Refined-XO-sugar-boot-with-overlap.gif vs. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/7/7c/Refined-XO-sugar-boot.gif Regards, --Gary Thanks, Christian Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Christian, On 19 Jun 2009, at 17:53, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Hi Sean, picking up on one of your comments below: After debating lots of ideas with lots of mockups for Sugar on a Stick we went with a Sugar logo during the first three dots and the Xo avatar for the remaining ones. We chose variant #06 because SoaS v1 will be called Strawberry and we will change the boot color and name for each SoaS iteration, the idea being to aid unsophisticated users who can communicate version info just from the boot logo color. For simplicity, I would suggest having the logo on a separate screen for a few secs *before* the XO and the ring with dots appear. I think they should both be kept separate, for clarity both visually/aesthetically, but also semantically (the XO at the center of the screen is a fundamental principle in the Sugar UI, and having it trade places with the logo in the middle of the ring is mixing metaphors). Let me know if you agree... That was tried first (some of the mock-ups have it that way), but it's visually jarring. Like watching some random slide show of logos. Slightly overlapping the logo / progress dots / xo gave (IMO) continuity to the boot process progression. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
We've discussed my idea to do a flurry of press releases over the next couple of weeks, coinciding with our presence/sessions at: * LinuxTag Berlin June 24-27 http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en.html * Free Open Source Software in Education (FOSSED) Bethel, Maine June 24-26 http://www.fossed.com * National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) Washington, DC June 28-July 1 http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2009 (also EduBloggerCon / Classroom 2.0 LIVE in DC on June 27: http://www.edubloggercon.com/EduBloggerCon+2009) * Gran Canaria Desktop Summit (GUADEC+Akademy) Canary Islands July 3-July 11 http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ After mulling it over I feel our interests will be best served by two press releases (eReleases/PR Newswire + Sugar Labs press page + targeted mailing to journalists educators), with an option for a third at GUADEC if there are new developments (very possible over next 10 days): Wednesday, June 24th, datelined LinuxTag: SoaS v1 Strawberry release! Gould grant / GPA pilot - classroom tests of SoaS 100 GCompris/ASLO - offer enriched XO-1.5 refresh/XO SoaS version - not forgetting the XO installed base Local Labs - Colombia, Washington DC, Rochester? Dailymotion channel - info source Image: SoaS beauty shots * Monday, June 29th: NECC (Washington DC) Nexcopy partnership Image: TBD I feel the richness of our news on the day both LinuxTag and FOSSED open will increase our chances for wide coverage. I think back-to-back releases won't work for our targeted mailing list and including two releases in one mailing would be clumsy. This will also simplify printing for handouts. The Nexcopy partnership has a different angle and call to action (collect recycle sticks / gesture for schools) and merits a separate treatment. The deadline for the Wednesday SoaS release is in 24 hours... I will put up a draft for the marketing list in a few hours. I will attend LinuxTag on June 26-27 and SugarCamp/FUDCon June 28th. If I've forgotten anything, if anyone has better ideas, please by all means let me know thanks! Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
I beg everyone's pardon, I was under the impression that SoaS is Fedora-specific... are there plans to do versions based on other distros? Sean On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: (excluding IAEP from cc list) On 18.06.2009, at 19:45, David Van Assche wrote: Anyway, the point is not to tie SoaS to one distro... Err, SoaS *is* a distro. It currently is based on Fedora, it might get based on something else in the unforeseeable future, but having a gazillion SoaSes isn't plan of anything I heard. there are enough people willing to help for the different distros , and the more markets the better right? Yes, definitely, Sugar needs to be integrated well in many different distros. But that's independed of the SoaS effort. - Bert - ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Fwd: Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
For me, Sugar on a Stick (or on a liveCD, or in virtualization, or as a session) is about a Sugar experience, not a Sugar on an underlying distro/meta-OS/hardware experience. No disrespect to the massive effort that goes into packaging and adapting Sugar to a distro (and I am certainly aware that there are differences), but teachers and Learners will and should care mostly about connecting to classmates, Activities, and the Journal; the distro should be secondary, as the hardware should be secondary. The cause of Sugar is advanced by its openness to many platforms; that agnosticism is a key tenet of Sugar Labs in my view. I don't think Sugar on a Stick should belong to any one distro, let me explain why (and how some of us can consider the name to mean different things too). Let's look at this another way. The most optimistic desktop marketshare estimates for all GNU/Linux distros combined is: under 2%. I'm not really worried about Sugar running on all distros, hitting that 2% (although I do often wonder why they are not more proactive in their support); I look at Apple's 7% to 10%, but especially Microsoft's 90%. I want to cut deep into that 90%, and in a context where preinstallation is not yet happening (although it will), Sugar on a Stick is the best way to sidestep the Windows barrier. We are positioning ourselves as the very best K-6 learning system, at *any* price, and many of our differentiators are due to our FOSS basis - Microsoft is out for the count in a quality comparison, and out for the count in a cost comparison too. This is an incredible opportunity for distros to get onto netbooks and into schools, and I wonder what they are waiting for. It's no accident that Ubuntu is the standard default OS of the Dell education netbook, and has just been added as a standard alternate OS on the Classmate; somebody over there is going for that opportunity. Microsoft's marketing position by the way is limited to we have thousands of applications and run on any PC, an argument worn thin by their inability to run on small-footprint systems, which is why they are desperately trying to abolish the word netbook. A note about wording. Extreme care goes into our press releases to make them intelligible to teachers and educators (and funders), while framing debates and remaining concise. I use acronyms like SoaS and ASLO in e-mails to save time and get work done, but always talk about Sugar on a Stick in marketing materials, and not the distro or Linux for the reasons cited above. The journalists and bloggers who know us look right past the PR and marketing and look at our wiki, talk to contributors, maybe even lurk during debates like this one; if they are fair, they will paint a true picture, warts and all (though more growing pains than warts I'd say :-). It's that huge mass of other journalists, who don't follow FOSS, or even tech, but who *are* interested in education issues, who can be reached by our PR and marketing, and who hopefully can learn that there are other ways of using computers to aid in children's education. At the risk of repeating myself, the incredible complexity of the engineering going on around Sugar means we are saddled with arcane and obscure numbering systems. SoaS-1 (F9/v0.84) is not SoaS-2 (F11/v0.84), neither one is OLPC-OS v8.2 (F9/v0.82). I proposed simplifying this for teachers by going to an instantly understandable beta-1 and v1 with Sugar on a Stick, and I became temporarily upset with Sebastian recently when he moved up the v1 release date three months without consulting anyone; Caroline identified the crux of that debate as being differing interpretations of what Sugar on a Stick means - for Sebastian, it is code and hacks running Sugar v0.84 over Fedora; for Caroline and myself, it is a classroom solution we want teachers to depend on which includes a reliable USB stick loader, documentation, a blueprint for local support, lots more testing of a hardware compatibility matrix, Mac compatibility, etc. After discussion and lots of reflection and a stroke of marketing genius from Tomeu, we found a way out of the impasse: to baptize the v1 version (and indeed subsequent versions) as flavors, starting with Strawberry. We even placed a strawberry logo (#06) into the boot animation sequence; unsophisticated users will be able to tell us the version from the boot logo color. Hiding unnecessary complexity from end users is excellent marketing; if I say iPod, we could all sketch one, even if Apple is on their 150th iPod SKU; we associate iPod with portable gadget for listening to music on headphones, and maybe watching videos too. For teachers, parents, and Learners, Sugar on a Stick should mean any USB stick loaded with the Sugar Learning Platform that can restart a computer directly into the Sugar interface... no more, no less. If we need to call it something else internally (which I am sure is the case with other distros on board), that's fine. The Marketing team has meetings
[Sugar-devel] [Invitation] Sugar Labs Market ing Meeting @ Tue Jun 16 5pm – 6pm (sugar-d e...@lists.sugarlabs.org)
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20090616T15Z DTEND:20090616T16Z DTSTAMP:20090616T105347Z ORGANIZER;CN=Sean Daly:mailto:sd...@sugarlabs.org UID:qosd4rkpnl862q9cvlj4c6e...@google.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=market...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:market...@lists .sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=i...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:i...@lists.sugarlabs .org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;cn=sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sugar-de...@l ists.sugarlabs.org ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;CN=Sean Daly;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:mailto:sd...@sugarlabs.org CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20090616T104752Z DESCRIPTION:Proposed agenda:\n\n* Events Week press releases flurry: how ma ny/which subjects timing\n* Booth swag situation\n* PDF brochure\n* Try S ugar flyer\n* LinuxTag demo scenario\n* other topics?\n\nWorldclock: http:/ /www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html\nIRC Help: http://wiki.sugar labs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Contacts#IRC.2C_Internet_Relay_Chat\n\nView your eve nt at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=cW9zZDRya3BubDg2 MnE5Y3ZsajRjNmVuczAgc3VnYXItZGV2ZWxAbGlzdHMuc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZwtok=MTkjc2Rh bHlAc3VnYXJsYWJzLm9yZzU3MDk0ODE0YTdmMGQ2MzlkYzQxOTU0MTY2NzBhNWI5ZGJkNDM0ZmY ctz=Europe%2FBrusselshl=en. LAST-MODIFIED:20090616T105346Z LOCATION:IRC: irc.freenode.net (channel: #sugar-meeting) SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:Sugar Labs Marketing Meeting TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR invite.ics Description: application/ics ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
Martin - we worked out Flavors at the marketing meetings Sean On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:16:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I agree with much of what has been said. Sugar on a Stick should not be linked to any one distro. Laudable goal, but please don't underestimate how much work this is. I think Sebastian and David have an idea what's involved, but few others do. So I don't think it's worth even discussing in practice (although I and others seem happy to debate the theory ad nauseam :)). I thought we had decided to use Flavors? i.e. Sugar on a Stick Strawberry is our current release and it is based on Fedora 11. I never got anything conclusive out of the IRC discussion in which flavors were mentioned, and haven't seen any mails about it. colors is what was said thrice, AFAICS: Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc [Sean DALY] Eben Regards, Tomeu [This is re-formatted from http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-June/006184.html ] Caroline Meeks Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)
I'm having difficulty with this launch (which was originally planned for three months from now :-) We're making it, but it's a pressure situation... On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 01:50:00AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Martin - we worked out Flavors at the marketing meetings Ok. It'd be nice if there was a mail sometime stating that. I guess your one a few minutes ago was that mail. Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1
You know where to find me :-) On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 06/17/2009 11:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:30, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: In my view it's never a mistake to indicate that a procedure will wipe all data. We all have a learning curve and the first time I lost all my Journal entries including photos on an XO I wasn't happy about it. I think we shouldn't put the burden of communicating with the general public on the developers. Sebastian is doing an awesome amount of work and he may not have too many spare cycles to think about everything that is required to communicate to the different people. What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to end users? Regards, Tomeu That sounds like a very good idea to me. We need to split the workload and try to let people do mostly (of course ideally one should know what is happening a bit in all the teams) what they are good in. +1 from my side, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1
Martin - I may be able to host that at the house (just need to convince my wife of the normality of having a gang of hungry geeks over), but Monday/Tuesdayish since off to LinuxTag later in the week Sean On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation of SoaS XO-1 images. Those consist not only of the latest and greatest Sugar bits, but also a F11 base system and a special OLPC kernel based on 2.6.30. Excellent news! I'll try and get a testing group event happening - probably next week - focused on this image (or the next one ;-) ). cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar
Sounds great John thanks If the shortened edit is in DV, I can normalize sound level when transcoding. In other words better results will be obtained in compressing from the source, instead of from an already-compressed WMV or MPEG format transcoded from the source. Of course DV is a lossy compression format to begin with, but you see what I mean. thanks. Sean On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:19 AM, John Tierneyjtis4...@hotmail.com wrote: Sean and Tomeu, Just a little update on this video. If you would like Rich to go ahead and get this ready for Sugar Labs use, he has offered to do so in early July. Let me know! JT From: rich.r...@ttu.edu To: jtis4...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:49:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar John, Glad you found the Spectrum video interesting. We made the movie for a luncheon talk and would need to make some adjustments (and shorten it) for public viewing off Sugar Labs. I could look at doing that in early July if you're interested, after I return from the Computers and Writing Conference. Right now it includes some sound and lower-leveling on the audio that I'd want to fix first. Looking forward to playing with Sugar later this summer. Rich --- Dr. Rich Rice, Associate Professor TTU Department of English http://richrice.com From: John Tierney [jtis4...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:33 PM To: Rice, Rich Subject: FW: [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar Hi Rich, I had forwarded an email with the link to the Science Spectrum video: http://media.English.TTU.edu/faculty/rice/5365/iplay.wmv Sugar Labs Marketing Coordinator Sean Daly was interested in trans-coding the video to an Open Source format and was wondering if it has a Creative Commons designation so it could be put up with other Sugar Labs videos on the Daily Motion site: http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs Your guidance on this would be appreciated. Thanks! John Tierney P.S. Tammy should have a Sugar on A Stick for you at CW if the logistics work-out. Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:56:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar From: sdaly...@gmail.com To: jtis4...@hotmail.com CC: i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Wow I can't wait to see that (can't on this machine) I'm interested in transcoding this to Ogg Theora, do you think we could ask him for a higher-quality source version I could transcode? is it CC, could we put it up on the Dailymotion site? Texas is Dell Foundation country. Hmmm... Sean On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, John Tierneyjtis4...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello All, Just wanted to pass along this email and video to everyone to show others like ourselves our hard at work trying to highlight and increase the effectiveness of Sugar and the XO. Video is about 35min in length-well done and inspires like minded work to be done. Best, John Tierney Subject: TTU's work with XO Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:47:08 -0400 From: tcsa...@purdue.edu To: rich.r...@ttu.edu; jtis4...@hotmail.com Dear John, I’ve mentioned to you that Rich Rice at Texas Tech University has been using XO laptops for outreach with k-12 students, and recently, he and his graduate students completed a project with the Science Spectrum in Lubbock, TX. Science Spectrum is the local science museum. As you can see from the following movie, they developed some innovative activities and documented their work with children who stopped by the Science Spectrum. They’ve had quite a bit of success using the drawing and chat .software, among others. http://media.English.TTU.edu/faculty/rice/5365/iplay.wmv Rich is also a member of the Computers and Writing community and is interested in exploring other ways that CW can do outreach with k-12 schools using the XO and the Sugar platform. I’ve copied him on this message, so we can continue to talk about options for immediate and long-term projects like working with the National Writing Project. Tammy -- Tammy S. Conard-Salvo Associate Director, Writing Lab Purdue University ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Meshnode product...
Thanks for that Sameer I'm sure that color scheme isn't accidental :-) They say it's Debian-based Simon - Do you think it would be useful or interesting to borrow one of these for LinuxTag? Could you or someone on the sugar-devel team possibly contact them and see if they are coming, if so (and maybe even if not) would they be willing to loan us one? Contact info is here: http://saxnet.de/index.php/deutsch/kontakt/buero.html thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sameer Vermasve...@sfsu.edu wrote: I came across MeshNode while looking for stuff on IEEE 802.11s. Interesting coincidence that it is colored white and green :-) http://www.80211s.org/ which led to http://saxnet.de/index.php/englisch/home.html Thought I'd pass this along. cheers, Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Server-devel mailing list server-de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Cannot find root file system! with 2009-06-03 SoaS on XO-1
identical message when trying to boot a Mac Mini: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-May/014519.html a friend counselled me recently to create a symlink to the ramdisk, but I'm not sure how to do that. Sean On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:38 AM, S Pageskierp...@gmail.com wrote: I made a live USB for my XO-1 in Kubuntu 9.04. I downloaded http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh and the current SoaS-2 snapshot. I installed the package dependencies. I synthesized the overlapping instructions in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC (the latter only documents Fedora) , using commands like sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --overlay-size-mb 300 --home-size-mb 160 --unencrypted-home Soas2-200906031834.iso /dev/sdc1 sudo ./livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --overlay-size-mb 300 --unencrypted-home --noverify --skipcopy --xo --xo-no-home Soas2-200906031834.iso /dev/sdc1 I inserted this in my unlocked XO-1 running q2e41 firmware, and got: ... starting udev4 creating devices WARNING: cannot find root file system! Create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence. bash: no job control in this shell bash-4-0# scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Cruzer Pattern 7.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] (disk size stuff...) (... more sda mesages) This rings a bell, I think it happened to me months ago with Rawhide-XO. It sounds like http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/421 , marked Closed. I looked through the comments in there and https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ticket/53 and didn't see anything that helped: the overlay UUID matches, reinserting USB and/or exiting shell doesn't help, etc. Also, can anyone point to a reasonable explanation of what goes on during a LiveUSB boot? initrd, syslinux.cfg, squash-fs, overlays... This stuff clearly isn't bulletproof but is cloaked in obscurity-fu. Thanks, -- =S Page ___ Fedora-olpc-list mailing list fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] French Help Activity
Indeed, at my first contact with Sugar as a G1G1 donor I had found the Help Activity extremely useful. I actually think it would be better to provide easy access to Help in every context, as done elsewhere, so not necessarily an Activity. The frame would be the logical place, but there is also a learning curve with making the frame appear/disappear (except of course on the XO which has a key for it). Again, I suspect grownup users of Windows will encounter more difficulty than kids - the Help may be more for Teachers than Learners... Sean On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi David, On 13 Jun 2009, at 02:58, David Farning wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 12 Jun 2009, at 18:02, David Farning wrote: This might be a ridiculous question Are the strong reasons for maintaining a help activity rather than just pointing users to a pdf of the help/manual file which is opened with the standard pdf reader? I think the whole help document as a single PDF would be a likely out of memory issue for XO level hardware, and thus hard to navigate. The existing Help html format breaks up the document into pages that don't need to be processed unless you click through (Navigating deep into a complex PDF even if you don't view the initial pages seems to get quite slow). FWIW, I do have a somewhat related ticket open for Soas: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/840 And did recently comment in a previous email about the possibility of breaking up the Help document into sections/chapters and adding them as PDF's to the Journal, with good tags, and descriptions for easy searching of material directly in the Journal. Was that the collections post/thread a little while ago? I remember skimming it. There were a few emails on Dynamic content collections for Browse Journal if that's what you were referring to, but that was more about the 0.86 roadmap having Browse able to resume zipped up sites/pages (acting as a replacement/more-useful incarnation of the old .xol library bundle concept for html based content). In the ASLO Suggestion thread, Sean did ask about getting the Help activity uploaded to ASLO (but the content is out of date and the Activity only works in 0.82 due to hulahop version changes in core). I did mention perhaps breaking up the Help into well tagged PDF sections/ chapters that could just go in the Journal http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-June/006382.html Thinking about it some more, having smaller tightly focused documents, rather than a monster manual, might be more scalable for us (Journal for easy searching of all the content, smaller separate docs more easy to keep updated and can be out of sync with Sugar release cycles). Sorry if I stole your idea. Steal away (if it could ever 'mine' in the first place)! :-) Regards, --Gary david The only real downside is if you relied heavily on inter chapter links (fine if your using links between pages of one specific PDF, but not between PDFs). Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] LWN article
Yes, a wonderful interview Walter! It's rare that a journalist quotes so much of what an interviewee says; it's a sign that the Sugar Labs education message is unusual and deserves to be heard. A very key point to me is the essential critical thinking issue. In ten years or so there will be thousands of young adults who started out with Sugar who will be speaking their minds about what we do. There may be praise, or we may even be disappointed by what they tell us. It's possible that general computing will move to a more intuitive paradigm and make today's Sugar seem quaint. But those judgments by our Learners, the critical thinkers of the next generation to come, are something to motivate us. Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Greg DeKoenigsbergg...@redhat.com wrote: This is an excellent write-up, that we can be rightly proud of. --g On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, David Farning wrote: ::A very nice article about Sugar in LWN. :: ::http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/336910/3878a88c0c27f977/ :: ::FWIW, LWN is one of the most respected, if not _the_ most respected ::periodical among open source contributors. :: ::david ::___ ::IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) ::i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ::http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep :: -- Computer Science professors should be teaching open source. Help make it happen. Visit http://teachingopensource.org. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? Browse Read Write etc. Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 10 Jun 2009, at 18:24, James Simmons wrote: Martin, I phrased that poorly. A kid might care that James Simmons wrote Read Etexts. He probably won't care if James Simmons is a part of Sugar Labs, or part of the community, or if it was part of GCompris, or if we consider Read Etexts part of Glucose, Sucrose, Fructose, etc. If a kid accidentally removes the Moon Activity and wants it back he might look in Math and Science or he might look in Pre-Installed. It should be listed in both places. I know what you meant about a core or pre-Installed category, but this is going to break so fast, actually already broken. Different distros are bundling different activities, some more some less, it's their call. I think David Van Assche mentioned getting 50+ Activities in the latest openSUSE image; and I'm sure school deployments will choose their own Activity sets. --Gary As far as Dominick's vs. Costco, I enjoy the time I spend at Costco and hate the time I spend at Dominick's. A good taxonomy would encourage a kid to explore the site and see what's available. A poor one would make him feel like I do on Sunday afternoons, wondering why canned tomatoes are in a totally different aisle than other canned vegetables, or why Pita bread isn't with the rest of the bread, or why Blue or Feta cheese isn't with the rest of the cheese in the Dairy section, etc. James Simmons Martin Dengler wrote: Other than that, does any kid or teacher care who maintains an Activity? Clearly you view the answer as no (I think in general, the right answer is not unless they can get something out of that person, which is a distinct possibility in FOSS-land, so actually I think the answer should be they should because it can help them). I don't know what point you're making, expect possibly we needn't care about aslo's coherency for anyone other than 'learners'. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
hmmm thanks Martin for that I guess I'm confused because for me, a set of demo Activities is not at all the same thing as baseline Activities included in every Sugar deployment. I mean, to demonstrate online collaboration, I could choose a fancier or more advanced Activity than might be on a list of more basic ones used in deployments already. As an example, Read Etext's ability to bring in an eBook from the tens of thousands in the Gutenberg Project, have it read by Speak, then share it, is an ultracool demo. But, is it in Fructose? GCompris has doubled our Activity offer and although the collaboration / view source / graphics are not where most other Activities are, I would include one or two GCompris Activities in any demo set, if only to market Sugar to teachers already using GCompris in their classrooms these past few years. Activity Packs (Sets? Groups? Bundles? Hives?) seem to me a key part of deployments, but I'm not sure where they fit in the diagram :-( and I can't find a list of packs actually used in deployments, do we have one somewhere? thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:51:24AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? This is Fructose: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Fructose:_The_set_of_demonstration_activities If you keep asking what to call them we'll keep telling you what they're called. Feel free to suggest alternates, but it's hard to effectively do so without an understanding of the status quo. Please point out what's confusing as I'm sure plenty of people would like to make things as comprehensible as possible. I recognise that the fact people keep asking could certainly be because it's not being well-explained. Please consider this diagram as well: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#The_SUGAR_stack:_block_diagram_view Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
be correct in assuming this? Or does OLPC prefer to identify known good version, the ones updated through the XO Control Panel? Google search ranks highly this 6-month-old page: http://www.spitting-image.com/OLPC/ , an indicator of the need for ASLO's rating system. By Activity Pack I mean a set of Activities. * Activity Set: clear and concise, but dullish. * Activity Pack: implies a box containing a bunch of chosen Activities; my favorite, because it sounds like you're getting something. * Activity Group: will be confused with Learners. * Activity Bundle: bundle clearly means something already, so that's out. I'm afraid I don't know what a content bundle is. * Activity Hive: fits with honey metaphor, but obscure. Activity packs can have a very useful role in promoting Sugar, e.g. our updated Multimedia Pack is perfect for budding musicians and artists or our Games Pack has been specially selected for 2 or more player learning fun. As our Activity offer becomes richer, we encourage potential installers to jump through the hoops of downloading an ISO, installing VirtualBox or loading a USB stick, learning the new interface, etc. Echoing James' mail which started the thread, I agree Featured Activities will ideally be: * non- base install * interesting * different each month, encouraging return traffic In short, the place to go for extras beyond what you start out with. The base install grouping will be very useful to replace an accidentally deleted Activity or offer further information about an Activity with a learning curve (link to author's page etc). A parent or teacher who successfully installs Sugar and then successfully upgrades and adds to its Activities will fully understand the key advantages of the platform's openness and extensibility. Does this seem like a good path? thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 11.06.2009, at 09:51, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? Browse Read Write etc. At least the Fructose activities should always be there: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
David - do you have a list, or a link to same? thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend u take a look at the openSUSE offering. I took a careful look at the activities available and packaged those that seemed useful, relatively bug free, and fun. I think we have about 55 activities now. kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Aleksey, That will teach me to open my mouth. At the moment the only Activities I'm really familiar with are my own, Read, and your Library Activity which isn't finished (but would definitely be worthy otherwise). I'll have to add some more Activities to my XO and give them a try. Any suggestions on what might be worth a recommended status will be welcomed. Your other ideas sound good, but I still think we need some highly visible counts in there. As someone once said, You gotta tell 'em to sell 'em! Thanks, James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: You are an editor now and can do the best on http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/editors/featured ;) And after fixing #948 all featured activities will appear on main page and per category main pages. I also question the category GCompris. I understand these Activities are related to each other, but the relationship would not be meaningful to a teacher or a student. fixed ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
Over 50 responses on this thread :D But we are advancing I think :-) Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 02:47:45PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list[...] 27 messages in this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/G1G1v2-Activities-td1096680.html 20 comments on this ticket: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6598 Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
, recognizing that they are interesting and unique to Sugar. Library for example is an Activity I'm not quite sure does what, but its name and logo will be irresistible to parents and teachers. OLPC has their list (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All) and we need to get that page to link to ASLO, the information there is uneven (contains some stillborn/abandonware). Perhaps the easiest fix would be to link from each Activity position on that page to that Activity's ASLO page; people searching the Activity population would quickly understand the different/parallel nature of the OLPC page and ASLO. As far as I know, there aren't any issues with the very latest versions running on XO-1s, would I be correct in assuming this? Or does OLPC prefer to identify known good version, the ones updated through the XO Control Panel? Google search ranks highly this 6-month-old page: http://www.spitting-image.com/OLPC/ , an indicator of the need for ASLO's rating system. By Activity Pack I mean a set of Activities. * Activity Set: clear and concise, but dullish. * Activity Pack: implies a box containing a bunch of chosen Activities; my favorite, because it sounds like you're getting something. * Activity Group: will be confused with Learners. * Activity Bundle: bundle clearly means something already, so that's out. I'm afraid I don't know what a content bundle is. * Activity Hive: fits with honey metaphor, but obscure. Activity packs can have a very useful role in promoting Sugar, e.g. our updated Multimedia Pack is perfect for budding musicians and artists or our Games Pack has been specially selected for 2 or more player learning fun. As our Activity offer becomes richer, we encourage potential installers to jump through the hoops of downloading an ISO, installing VirtualBox or loading a USB stick, learning the new interface, etc. Echoing James' mail which started the thread, I agree Featured Activities will ideally be: * non- base install * interesting * different each month, encouraging return traffic In short, the place to go for extras beyond what you start out with. The base install grouping will be very useful to replace an accidentally deleted Activity or offer further information about an Activity with a learning curve (link to author's page etc). A parent or teacher who successfully installs Sugar and then successfully upgrades and adds to its Activities will fully understand the key advantages of the platform's openness and extensibility. Does this seem like a good path? thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 11.06.2009, at 09:51, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? Browse Read Write etc. At least the Fructose activities should always be there: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. i don't mind trying to write the instructions if someone else can edit post them. thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM, James Simmonsjim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean, I had another thought. Activities can be included in up to three categories on ASLO. So, in addition to GCompris we could also have a Core category (or Pre-Installed or some other agreed upon phrase) that would include all the Activities that are installed by default. This would showcase our most essential Activities and also give people a place to download stuff they may have removed by mistake. When I first got my XO I didn't have a wireless router, so I had to copy everything in using a thumb drive. I agree that some simple instructions would be worthwhile. James Simmons Sean DALY wrote: Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it out. Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Booth Banner page on wiki!
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners I have managed to create a Booth Banner page on the wiki. Still have to add the links to the source PDF files though (they are uploaded but I need to write the markup for the links). I have updated the Marketing Team/resources page as well and will update it further. Both of these are in production as steel-stand rollups and will be ready for LinuxTag. My supplier didn't mind at all doing the 2 different color versions. Kudos to Gary C Martin for his work on this. The plan is for one to live in Germany and the other in France, taken to events, conferences, SugarCamps as necessary. Note to Mike Lee, Seth: if you wish, you can find a local supplier and have one made from the source files, I can help you identify a decent supplier :-) thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow
We are on a tight schedule for the SoaS LinuxTag release and following the mega-thread on the subject we have narrowed the choice down to two variants: Progress Bar http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Animation_of_Eben.27s_Above_Design Ring of Dots http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap This needs to be decided by tomorrow, so if you have a strong preference, please speak up now or hold your peace until the next release. There seems to be a slight preference for the Ring (I myself prefer it since similar to familiar OLPC experience). Thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
Looking better all the time. For the moment, the site suffers from being ghettoized from the rest of the Sugar Labs site; you can get in, but you can't get out - there's no Sugar Labs navigation. Direct links coming in mean the rest of the site is invisible. To fix this (and the other sections too, it's not a problem specific to Activities), Christian has promised me he will have the sitewide persistent navbar soon, he's super-occupied with the new baby :-) As search is local, it's good the search bar indicates in explicitly. I agree with most of what James said. I can add: the site actually fulfills a marketing function, unrelated to downloads: it's a quick way for someone checking out the project to see how much and what kinds of content are available, if the ecosystem is active, and so on. A few years ago, from reading magazines and blogs, I was aware that Firefox had a vibrant add-on offer months before I ever downloaded one. So yes, there should be a count somewhere which instantly communicates the richness. The non US-en bug is still in effect; French users and I suspect other locales see no content whatsoever, which to my mind is a bigger problem than which Activities to feature. There is a language selector which allows magically populating the empty site, but it's practically unfindable. I would suggest disabling the language selector if that bug can't be easily fixed (upstream). GCompris is fine where it is; it is very well known in Europe and elsewhere and has a five year headstart on us in word-of-mouth and credibility with teachers. Although marketing/branding of GCompris has been minimalist, it has a well-deserved reputation for quality. I'm very excited GCompris is arriving in Sugar and I hope collaboration will work in those Activities too. I disagree that common baseline Activities should be absent; a common scenario could be replacing an Activity removed by a Learner. Forgive my ignorance, but is the OLPC notion of a set applicable? is it possible to tag some Activities as baseline, to have section for them (can an Activity be in more than one section)? I agree though that they shouldn't be featured unless a major upgrade is available. As well, there are more than one reading Activities; the logical place to locate them is here, but some parents or teachers on a Sugar learning curve may believe that baseline Read needs to be uninstalled to install Read eTexts. We need a short intro explaining the install procedure (it took me days to figure out how to do it). I had mentioned this a while back but I don't remember if someone besides me had volunteered to look at that thanks. Sean On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:09:56PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Aleksey, That will teach me to open my mouth. :) At the moment the only Activities I'm really familiar with are my own, Read, and your Library Activity which isn't finished (but would definitely be worthy otherwise). I'll have to add some more Activities to my XO and give them a try. Any suggestions on what might be worth a recommended status will be welcomed. well, we have not so much sugar activities on ASLO(I hope just for now) ..and I guess we should add some kind of filter to separate native sugar activities from GCompris, now we have 40 vs. 100 :) Your other ideas sound good, but I still think we need some highly visible counts in there. As someone once said, You gotta tell 'em to sell 'em! the problem is - we depend on upstream AMO code, so patching ASLO code a lot will mean problems while merging new AMO commits (we can suggest our changes directly to AMO but thats another story). Thanks, James Simmons Aleksey Lim wrote: You are an editor now and can do the best on http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/editors/featured ;) And after fixing #948 all featured activities will appear on main page and per category main pages. I also question the category GCompris. I understand these Activities are related to each other, but the relationship would not be meaningful to a teacher or a student. fixed -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Texas Tech University work with XO/Sugar
Wow I can't wait to see that (can't on this machine) I'm interested in transcoding this to Ogg Theora, do you think we could ask him for a higher-quality source version I could transcode? is it CC, could we put it up on the Dailymotion site? Texas is Dell Foundation country. Hmmm... Sean On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, John Tierneyjtis4...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello All, Just wanted to pass along this email and video to everyone to show others like ourselves our hard at work trying to highlight and increase the effectiveness of Sugar and the XO. Video is about 35min in length-well done and inspires like minded work to be done. Best, John Tierney Subject: TTU's work with XO Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:47:08 -0400 From: tcsa...@purdue.edu To: rich.r...@ttu.edu; jtis4...@hotmail.com Dear John, I’ve mentioned to you that Rich Rice at Texas Tech University has been using XO laptops for outreach with k-12 students, and recently, he and his graduate students completed a project with the Science Spectrum in Lubbock, TX. Science Spectrum is the local science museum. As you can see from the following movie, they developed some innovative activities and documented their work with children who stopped by the Science Spectrum. They’ve had quite a bit of success using the drawing and chat .software, among others. http://media.English.TTU.edu/faculty/rice/5365/iplay.wmv Rich is also a member of the Computers and Writing community and is interested in exploring other ways that CW can do outreach with k-12 schools using the XO and the Sugar platform. I’ve copied him on this message, so we can continue to talk about options for immediate and long-term projects like working with the National Writing Project. Tammy -- Tammy S. Conard-Salvo Associate Director, Writing Lab Purdue University ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)
outside bugtracker I'm not aware of the existence of any 802.11s USB adapters which could be plugged into a netbook for mesh. That said may be a silly question but I'm a bit mystified about getting my meshed XO-1s to play with my SoaS netbooks, I have them join the same wifi AP but how to bridge a mesh network with a 802.11g or draft N? Sean On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, SugarLabs Bugsbugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #79: SOAS should mesh network when possible +--- Reporter: mungewell | Owner: marcopg Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: Normal | Milestone: 0.86 Component: SoaS | Version: Severity: Minor | Resolution: wontfix Keywords: | Distribution: Fedora Status_field: New | +--- Changes (by erikos): * status: new = closed * resolution: = wontfix Comment: Is xo specific. There is the xo distribution. -- Ticket URL: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/79#comment:3 Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs bug tracking system ___ Bugs mailing list b...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it out. After all, common sense tells you that Software Update in the Control Panel should check for Activity updates, which it sort of does, but also doesn't. I understand that that infrastructure is on the OLPC side, but a friendly checkbox for activities.sugarlabs.org (with of course the server-side magic necessary) would help a lot. I have stringent wireless security at home and it's a pain to connect my XOs wirelessly, so I usually temporarily run a cable to an Ethernet USB adapter (the green Zoltan thing I got from XOexplosion). But I got stuck with ASLO by downloading the xo packages on another computer, to a USB stick; with no idea how to bring them into an XO or a netbook running SoaS. I only recently figured out how to browse files on a USB key from within Sugar :-) Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:28 AM, James Simmonsjim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean DALY wrote: GCompris is fine where it is; it is very well known in Europe and elsewhere and has a five year headstart on us in word-of-mouth and credibility with teachers. Although marketing/branding of GCompris has been minimalist, it has a well-deserved reputation for quality. I'm very excited GCompris is arriving in Sugar and I hope collaboration will work in those Activities too. OK with me. I hadn't heard of it before OLPC, so I assumed nobody else had either. I disagree that common baseline Activities should be absent; I never suggested that they be *absent*, just not featured. I'm thinking that a new Sugar user finds his way to ASLO by clicking a link on the Browse start page and the featured items ought to be things he doesn't have yet. I like the term Featured Activity better than We Recommend too. We Recommend implies that the Activity is among the best and most robust we have, which limits what you can put in there. Featured Activity implies nothing more than We think this is cool and worth a look. For instance, I would not hesitate to put Story Builder or GCompris 3D Maze as a Featured Activity, but would have a harder time saying I recommend either of them. Plus you could change what is a Featured Item every month or so. That would make this site a bit more interesting to visit, and you wouldn't have people wondering why last month we recommended Read Etexts but this month we don't. We need a short intro explaining the install procedure (it took me days to figure out how to do it). I had mentioned this a while back but I don't remember if someone besides me had volunteered to look at that I just hit the Download button from within Browse. The Activity gets added to my Journal and is ready for use. I know there are other ways to install something, but downloading to the Journal works just fine for me. James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
umm... I'm trying to understand how that assists in keeping Activities up-to-date... what plays the role of the FF browser, phoning in for version availability? thanks Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:04 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it out. After all, common sense tells you that Software Update in the Control Panel should check for Activity updates, which it sort of does, but also doesn't. I understand that that infrastructure is on the OLPC side, but a friendly checkbox for activities.sugarlabs.org (with of course the server-side magic necessary) would help a lot. Aslo is set up to handle automatic activity updates using the same mechanism firefox uses to check for addon update. david I have stringent wireless security at home and it's a pain to connect my XOs wirelessly, so I usually temporarily run a cable to an Ethernet USB adapter (the green Zoltan thing I got from XOexplosion). But I got stuck with ASLO by downloading the xo packages on another computer, to a USB stick; with no idea how to bring them into an XO or a netbook running SoaS. I only recently figured out how to browse files on a USB key from within Sugar :-) Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:28 AM, James Simmonsjim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean DALY wrote: GCompris is fine where it is; it is very well known in Europe and elsewhere and has a five year headstart on us in word-of-mouth and credibility with teachers. Although marketing/branding of GCompris has been minimalist, it has a well-deserved reputation for quality. I'm very excited GCompris is arriving in Sugar and I hope collaboration will work in those Activities too. OK with me. I hadn't heard of it before OLPC, so I assumed nobody else had either. I disagree that common baseline Activities should be absent; I never suggested that they be *absent*, just not featured. I'm thinking that a new Sugar user finds his way to ASLO by clicking a link on the Browse start page and the featured items ought to be things he doesn't have yet. I like the term Featured Activity better than We Recommend too. We Recommend implies that the Activity is among the best and most robust we have, which limits what you can put in there. Featured Activity implies nothing more than We think this is cool and worth a look. For instance, I would not hesitate to put Story Builder or GCompris 3D Maze as a Featured Activity, but would have a harder time saying I recommend either of them. Plus you could change what is a Featured Item every month or so. That would make this site a bit more interesting to visit, and you wouldn't have people wondering why last month we recommended Read Etexts but this month we don't. We need a short intro explaining the install procedure (it took me days to figure out how to do it). I had mentioned this a while back but I don't remember if someone besides me had volunteered to look at that I just hit the Download button from within Browse. The Activity gets added to my Journal and is ready for use. I know there are other ways to install something, but downloading to the Journal works just fine for me. James Simmons ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
many thanks Martin for finding that thread for me, I have so much going on I'm having trouble remembering keywords to look things up Actually what faked me out was the fine print about XO software update: it won't update to the latest Activity version on ASLO, just the latest OLPC supported Activity version. Which is of course perfectly logical now that I think about it, but as Activity versions are coming fast furious, I had lost confidence in the Your software is up-to-date message... since I knew more recent versions were available. Intuitively, I would expect ASLO to be polled by Sugar machines... in clicking, I expect the machine to figure out all by itself what it needs to be up to date... I guess the best way out of that is to ask OLPC to title that page Search for OLPC updates? Re USB: a brief little popup saying Your USB key is visible in the Journal would be helpful I think. Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:58:39AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Yes, that's the procedure when running Sugar and using Browse... which I wasn't doing. A couple of phrases removing the mystery will help us; it's a lowering-the-barriers issue... we can't assume everyone will alertly figure it out. This is the email thread you may have been thinking of, with a couple of phrases suggested: http://n2.nabble.com/-Marketing--adding-or-updating-an-Activity:-two-typical-teacher-scenarios,-let%27s-%09lower-barrier-to-installation-td2981491.html (ugh, that's a horrible link). After all, common sense tells you that Software Update in the Control Panel should check for Activity updates, which it sort of does, but also doesn't. It does (check for activity updates that OLPC supports) on OLPC builds. The Software Update extension in the Control Panel doesn't exist (well, it's broken and hidden) on SoaS. So it either works as designed, or isn't present. I only recently figured out how to browse files on a USB key from within Sugar :-) How can this be made easier for newcomers to learn? Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion
I recently got help opening a bug ticket account, I'll try my hand at that thanks for your patient assistance Sean On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Intuitively, I would expect ASLO to be polled by Sugar machines... in clicking, I expect the machine to figure out all by itself what it needs to be up to date... Definitely, a good feature to have. I was just talking about what existed right now in SoaS (which is: no working updater, AFAIK). I guess the best way out of that is to ask OLPC to title that page Search for OLPC updates? One could always change it and see if it got changed back :) I only recently figured out how to browse files on a USB key from within Sugar :-) How can this be made easier for newcomers to learn? Re USB: a brief little popup saying Your USB key is visible in the Journal would be helpful I think. That sounds like a nice feature to me. In an ideal world you would have time to file a bug report, and in a slightly-less-ideal world I'd have time to do it for you instead of pointing this out :). Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.
Hmmm I'm not sure a BIOS will be wiling to boot from a USB port on a card. However, combined with a CD boot helper might do the trick. Reconditioning older PCs (even just adding RAM or a USB card) is a bit of a thankless job :-( I'm wondering if there's a way for SoaS to automatically report what it has booted on. Computer labs are prime candidates for SoaS and are often populated with a single PC model; it would be great if we could offer good upgrade advice x30. Sean On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This week, thanks for installing the Broadcom drivers separately, we got Sugar on a Stick up and running on the GPA computers. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Current_computers_at_GPA They are older computer and they run faster then an XO but still not that snappy. A big part of SoaS is using existing computers and donated computers. I wonder what it would take to upgrade older computers, and make them snappier. I don't know if we will get permission to open up these particular computers, (which are owned by Boston Public Schools) but there are certainly tons of older computers like them around. I think there are two things that might make them perform better. 1. Add a USB 2.0 port. They are almost certainly USB 1 right now. I see that if the box has the right slots for it, USB 2.0 cards are less then $10. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815123010 2. Add more RAM. Earlier this year I worked with a group that specialized in repairing and recyclying computers. They had lots of RAM they had scavanged. It would be very cool if someone had some old computers and could try Sugar, then do motifications like add a USB 2.0 port and RAM and document the results. Caryl, this is another potential project for someone who wants to help. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] I'm looking for a tree...
Have you looked into an awk associative array? I understand it is stored internally as a hash table. I remember reading about a simulated multidimensional array (index,subscript); inserting a record in that case didn't involve any reindexing. Older awks were considered slow though, I have no idea if that would be in the running performancewise. Sean On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: James Zaki wrote: Taking a guess with the information you've given perhaps a hash tablehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_tablecould help? Python uses the term Dict to describe its built-in hash table. I do think a hash table could be helpful, for example, to maintain the reverse lookup mapping if the forward lookup is stored in a List (which is actually python's version of a dynamic array, like C++'s Vector). However, I am still stuck with O(N) performance in this case for insertion and deletion, because each such modification shifts the position of all subsequent objects. This would correspond to changing the value associated with half the keys in the hash table, on average, for each insertion. I was hoping for a structure with log-time performance. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Yes Gary by all means, the deadline is this weekend Sebastian, earlier in the thread we discussed how part of keeping a clean-looking boot involves getting more information (logos) on the About My Computer page, is that difficult to do? Sean On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sebastian, On 7 Jun 2009, at 14:37, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi all, looking at the wiki page, I'm really impressed - great work! :) I also really like the idea of switching the logo color for each release - this shouldn't be hard and is an interesting approach. Has there already been some kind of agreement on which version we're going to use for the LinuxTag release? Yes I was wondering this also, given the weekend was the deadline :-) Is the one with the progress bar something everyone could agree with? FWIW, my two current favourites are the grey progress bar, or the grey circle of dots: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Refined-XO-sugar-boot-with-overlap.gif And could I possibly get the .png files, so that I can compose a new snapshot with a preview of the new boot screen (we can still change it afterwards, but I'd like to have some snapshot to test it)? I don't want to short circuit a decision making process, but let me kick out their PNGs and email to you (will do that now). That way you at least have a couple of the possible candidates to experiment/test with now. Regards, --Gary Walter: Have you heard anything regarding the use of the XO in our boot screen? Is this okay with OLPC? --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail the other day about communicating the version :-) I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the twelve variants. To make that work, the actual place where the version number is communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo. I like this progress bar boot screen because: * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion with graphic elements. * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just the system running on XOs, netbooks, etc. I miss the iconic ring treatment though. And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro co-branding. Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the About my computer page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional. For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I direct your attention to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote: On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote: Yes that would be very helpful I think I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation. Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar treatment: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo for each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a boot anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea but I think a big ask at this point in time). FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were based on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely not not random :-) Regards, --Gary If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames over the weekend we will meet the deadline but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a save for web away. Regards, --Gary thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Eben's points below... Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is describing? Christian On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Activity Awards, Activity Alerts, Frame Alerts
I don't know if this is related from a technical standpoint, but I was wondering about the possibility of a mechanism for an Activity to signal to a teacher (or the Neighborhood, or a Friend) when an Activity task is completed. As a way of simplifying identification of students who need more attention on a task than their peers. Back in the Stone Age when I was in school, this was accomplished during a quiz or writing task by the leading students ostentatiously throwing their pens down onto their desks and looking around smugly. Maybe things have changed in the 21st century? Dell wants to differentiate their K-8 education netbook offer (Latitude 2100) with a white LED bar in the lid which can light up via a software call. Although in marketing materials they describe its default setting as lighting up when there is any network activity (they imply Internet access during study time), their documentation states that any software can hook into it. I also read that if the idea takes off, they will consider adding other LED colors to the bar, so as to indicate simultaneously for example wireless activity / Internet activity / application task state, or file transfer / school filter hit / low battery condition. In each scenario, allowing the teacher to see what is happening at a glance. Would such status indicators work for Sugar? Should they be visible only to the teacher, or to everyone? (I'd vote for the teacher - it's really a classroom context feature, unnecessary while the Learner is enjoying her computer outside school hours). Could a Learner achieving an Activity milestone show that right away, in such a way the teacher could see it? Or notice it if the Learner achieved it outside school hours? In 1968, when I was six, I wrote a little 4-line poem about the astronauts going up into orbit. My first-grade teacher, Mrs. Menzi, typed it up and put a gold star sticker on it, and a gold star sticker on my forehead too. Like a star in outer space! I'm still proud of that :D So yes, I think an award system could be a useful feature. Sean On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, due to the lack of resources and time, we didn't get to finalise the end vision for such an award based system, but the idea came to me due how successful the collection of these is in computer games. As Gary pointed out to me, there are even games where the sole purpose is to unlock awards (which could be as silly as, dying by drowning 42 times.) The concept in gaming, as adopted by nintendo, sony, and Microsoft, has been a real success and a means by which to get users 'hooked' to achieving them. If the same thing can be translated to Sugar, we can have a system which by its nature pushes users to delve deep into the guts of activities to 'discover' them, if you will, all the while getting recognition for that discovery. The coupling of this with collaboration brings together a whole world of possibilities, many of which have caused measurable excitement within myself and Gary, as well as others listening/discussing the ideas. The inital activity we wanted to do this with was a quiz based activity, where the teacher puts labels on the different parts of a picture s/he has uploaded and lets the user then fill in the labels. We can measure a whole host of things, such as, were the labels filled in while connected to the internet (they could have used wikipedia to gather the information), and should the user be encouraged to do that or not... What I guess I'm pointing out is, we need to delve deep into how this should all work, but the initial concept rocks, and we should try and either adapt an existing activity (Gary suggested using his moon activity to name the various parts of it) or make an easy framwork that would allow a teacher to upload a picture and then tag the various points in the picture together with the possible answers. Either is fine, though the later is more desirable as it would allow us to explore the possibilities a little more deeply, and would allow for the immediate creation of content there for, which could be easily stored in moodle or an activity meta bundle, or whatever... So lets decide how we move forwards on this and get to it then... kind regards, David Van Assche On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Frederick, On 6 Jun 2009, at 00:30, Frederick Grose wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: ... FWIW, David Van Assche raised some interesting Activity ideas at SugarCamp Paris and I'm interested/active in getting us to at lease 'demo' state in the Sugar 0.86 release timeframe. The idea is to focus on an 'awards' mechanism/style to encourage exploration and provide (sometimes) unexpected rewards. Idea is that Activity authors can define a range of badges/medals/icons for certain behaviours/ accomplishment in an
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] ASLO - rebranding
Yes, much better integration with the rest of the site sections thanks Josh Sean On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:25 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hey, That is awesome! david On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Josh Williamsj...@tucson-labs.com wrote: Hi everyone, I've been working on the css for ASLO, you can see where I'm at http://activities-devel.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/ . I've tried to make this fairly consistent with the design of sugarlabs.org. If any developers would be kind enough to upload some activities it would help with checking for inconsistencies it would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to push this to the live site in the near future, so please let me know what you think. Cheers, Josh ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at startup?) Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can (travelling today) Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to reserve a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after the Sugar spash page Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in checking if Sugar + Activities are up-to-date. Our strategy for teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) is a key aspect of that. I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version number. In addition to the About my computer section in the Control Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar has room I think. When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach which would let us skip info in the splash screen. Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for the growing ring. Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise orange to midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets (perhaps the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors that might come to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or digital clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of them. The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a safe shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. Will I grow too like the graphic is suggesting? OK, these are just potential metaphors... On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: I like that a lot. I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about writing down or memorizing a long number.) The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic guidelines' page for deployments and packagers. I suggest you try this sequence: 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I grow too as suggested?) 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name of this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a gray Sugar Labs opposite the fedora remix? (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar Home view.) Thanks everyone! --Fred On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Yes that would be very helpful I think If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames over the weekend we will meet the deadline but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Eben's points below... Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is describing? Christian On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at startup?) Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can (travelling today) Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to reserve a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after the Sugar spash page Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the UI. I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the sugar logo. Thoughts? Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to find that info. parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in checking if Sugar + Activities are up-to-date. Our strategy for teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) is a key aspect of that. I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The info is actually in the About my XO section of the settings, which might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for the XO menu and have a direct About my XO menu item which jumps directly to the correct settings panel. We could also separate the About my XO panel from settings, removing it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal dialog accessible via an About my XO menu item. I would be fine with either approach. They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version number. In addition to the About my computer section in the Control Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar has room I think. There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you want to carry with you all the time. When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach which would let us skip info in the splash screen. Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. I would
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Flavors - now that's a horse of a different color :D Yes, it may yet help us - the whole point of beta and v1 of SoaS was to simplify the arcane mysterious Sugar Labs / OLPC version numbering system :-) Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 16:35, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at startup?) Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can (travelling today) Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to reserve a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after the Sugar spash page Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the UI. I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the sugar logo. Thoughts? Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to find that info. parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in checking if Sugar + Activities are up-to-date. Our strategy for teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) is a key aspect of that. I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The info is actually in the About my XO section of the settings, which might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for the XO menu and have a direct About my XO menu item which jumps directly to the correct settings panel. We could also separate the About my XO panel from settings, removing it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal dialog accessible via an About my XO menu item. I would be fine with either approach. They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version number. In addition to the About my computer section in the Control Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar has room I think. There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you want to carry with you all the time. When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach which would let us skip info in the splash screen. Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. So awesome that it may solve
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail the other day about communicating the version :-) I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the twelve variants. To make that work, the actual place where the version number is communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo. I like this progress bar boot screen because: * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion with graphic elements. * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just the system running on XOs, netbooks, etc. I miss the iconic ring treatment though. And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro co-branding. Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the About my computer page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional. For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I direct your attention to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote: On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote: Yes that would be very helpful I think I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation. Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar treatment: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo for each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a boot anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea but I think a big ask at this point in time). FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were based on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely not not random :-) Regards, --Gary If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames over the weekend we will meet the deadline but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a save for web away. Regards, --Gary thanks Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Eben's points below... Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is describing? Christian On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at startup?) Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can (travelling today) Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to reserve a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after the Sugar spash page Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the UI. I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the sugar logo. Thoughts? Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to find that info. parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
Re: [Sugar-devel] livecd-iso-to-xo for XO-1.5
FWIW, on the Sugar Labs side we are interested in Plymouth especially its potential for use with other distros, we've been doing mockups based on the OLPC prototype: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Sean On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: chris wrote: Hi, which begs another question: if we're already customizing fedora, how much are we going to allow ourselves to customize it? e.g., could we simply remove plymouth, and install bootanim, if that makes sense? We certainly could. I think plymouth may be more robust than either bootanim implementation, and the plymouth authors have prototyped an olpc theme for us, so it seems worth giving that a serious look rather than planning to maintain bootanim on our own. (Plymouth also allows prettier graphics, in case we decide we'd like a smooth animation.) i certainly never meant we shouldn't consider plymouth. i'm just dipping my toes into the how much are we allowed to change? discussion. (i seem to keep getting caught in plymouth threads. my question this time really was intended to have larger scope.) paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Fedora-olpc-list mailing list fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size as expressed yesterday. Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of Ellsworth Kelly's painting Spectrum IV (1967), with the particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) thanks Sean On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! Christian On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the smiley face. But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at the end normal size. As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar UI. If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree with the point that gray means in progress. A simplified version of the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work well I think. I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. Christian I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the still loading context communicated by grey. I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during progress... the ring approaching colors from grey I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience (especially after a freeze
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Well, I'd like to do a mockup of my idea (tonight), post it to the wiki under Gary's, and have feedback from the Design Team about both The splash/progress page is a key moment of a Learner's interaction with Sugar, let's explore its possibilities before finalizing it thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, this is just great - thanks a lot for working on it so quickly! :) It looks really promising! Let me know if you want me to grab the .png files from somewhere to build a test package... --Sebastian Sean DALY wrote: wow Gary you were up all night on that Yes by all means back on list I really like the logo cycling through our colors, it's a golden rule of marketing to not change logo colors and we break it with panache (each press release PDF has a different color theme too) i want to mock up with kid avatars around Activity icons I build animated GIFs the old-fashioned imagemagick way: $ convert -delay 20 progress-*.png animation.gif I'll upload something today thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've uploaded one simple treatment to: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. Night, --Gary P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably worth getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some alternative treatments. On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
As a possibility, maybe we could reserve progress-00.png at the beginning of the sequence for a distro / locally-customized splash screen? Blank by default And progress-01.png for Sugar logo, version number, copyright notice and distro logo. I could supply a bash imagemagick script which could build the PNG file on the fly from text switches e.g. --version Soas2-200905281544 Then start standard progress bar sequence at progress-01.png by the way I've been trying to find the documentation for plymouth syntax if anyone has a link i'd appreciate it, curious to know if progree bar is hardcoded to 25 images or whatever thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Also we want major deployment to customize it, put their school name in. Once we get inside a school we want it to be their Sugar or just Their Computer System but its very important that they feel ownership, its not just some program that they bought. Things like a splash screen with the school name can be a big help with that. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David Agreed, but we may want to provide some way for the distros to get some acknowledgement. Perhaps some distro-specific patch that can be applied to indicate their contribution, similar to the Fedora Remix embossment on the OLPC splash screen? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
ah, found the mailing list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/plymouth/ On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I understand the plymouth boot animator is specific to Fedora, but that other distros are interested in adapting it. At base our work is just a series of consecutively numbered PNG files Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:15 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, this is also something that is relevant and usable across distros, so lets try and make it distro agnostic David Agreed, but we may want to provide some way for the distros to get some acknowledgement. Perhaps some distro-specific patch that can be applied to indicate their contribution, similar to the Fedora Remix embossment on the OLPC splash screen? -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Gary - many thanks, I was unaware the assets were publicly available as SVGs, this will be helpful when we set up merchandise (swag) I don't have a vector package handy but for my needs imagemagick (although a raster engine and ill-suited to serious vector manipulation) offers a simple way to convert the raw blobs into transparent-background PNGs on the command line: snip $ convert +antialias -density 300 -background none -resize 44x44 computer-xo.svg computer-xo.png /snip For different colors I'll try editing the SVG blob directly. thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: Christian, Eben I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, celebrating Sugar interface.iconography and greeting children. I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that consecutively named files will do the trick I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, do you guys have any interface assets i could grab? The logo vector SVG's at: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo ...are a good start. All of Sugar's UI icon art work is also in SVG format, good place to have a poke about is: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-artwork/repos/mainline/trees/master/icons/scalable For example, you'd find an XO child icon in device, called computer-xo.svg FWIW, on a Mac here, you need to save an svg (the raw blob) to your local machine and then view it (Quick Look or open again in Browse will do (Browse will let you cmd + to render an svg larger)). For more serious work if you have Illustrator that's ideal, I'm out of date with it but use VectorDesigner for vector work instead; I'm sure Inkscape is fine also if you can suffer poking your eyes out on the sharpened sticks and broken glass they like to refer as a user interface ;-) Regards, --Gary Input greatly appreciated thanks Sean On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we could work on it together? here's my idea like my booth rollup banner mockup which Christian 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the Sugar HIG and iconography. boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous SoaS ... (not sure yet if should be with or without labs) The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but instead of dots, I want XO avatars - kids! In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity icon... matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So kids understand that Activities are for them. And ending with... kids around the Journal! Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring What do you think? thanks Sean P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence for a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, backing down to the first image I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could inject arbitrary text into a ppm file On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Sean, FYI, this came in off list. Regards, --G Begin forwarded message: From: James Zaki james.z...@gmail.com Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? James 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. --G What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if no one else steps forward
Re: [Sugar-devel] Progress with SoaS boot-helper
On a related subject, I am also actively researching Mac USB boot methods. A few weeks ago an Ubuntu developer posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=995704page=77) a fat .EFI boot file compatible with both 32-bit and 64-bit Intel Macs. Ubuntu has a useful matrix of compatible Macs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages#Determine%20your%20model%20and%20hardware%20revision There are other possibilities too, such as: http://www.puredarwin.org/developers/booting/efiboot And, GRUB info for booting Linux on Mac: http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI also http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnMacbook To my mind, it's worth investigating these solutions (based on a clickable icon OSX bash script on the SoaS USB stick, containing the bless command but requiring admin rights) since the result will be very easy to use and won't touch the hard disk. Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 21:23, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: 2009/5/28 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Luke, can you point us to a link where we can learn more about what you are trying to accomplish? I think this is Ticket 598 to support the Gardner Pilot. the use case is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Critical_Path_Technical_Issues Yes, that's an accurate description of the goals for this project. An installable boot helper would provide functionality not avaliable in a normal boot-helper ISO, namely increasing boot time (time between a student inserting a SoaS stick and getting up and running) in addition to less down-time in between switches (as the machine would be able switch to another user/SoaS stick without rebooting). It would also be trivial to enable features such as on-server backups, live SoaS upgrades and repairs, and centralized administration by the IT staff. The boot-helper is related to a new installer method for this reason: our current method of formatting and installing SoaS on USB sticks cannot be read by the boot-helper. LVM snapshots are difficult to read outside of the context (in this case the kernel used in SoaS) in which they were created. Therefore, I suggested that we simply have raw EXT3/whatever on the flash drive, and mount them directly rather than using LVM. Sounds very good, do we have a timeframe already for testing the first results from this project? Regards, Tomeu -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Progress with SoaS boot-helper
I think one of those links discusses a switch to disable graphics acceleration. Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I tried, GRUB on EFI could not initialise hardware accelerated video drivers (my nvidia driver). GRUB on emulated BIOS worked, though. I just got my laptop back, I should be able to test this as well. 2009/5/29 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: On a related subject, I am also actively researching Mac USB boot methods. A few weeks ago an Ubuntu developer posted (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=995704page=77) a fat .EFI boot file compatible with both 32-bit and 64-bit Intel Macs. Ubuntu has a useful matrix of compatible Macs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages#Determine%20your%20model%20and%20hardware%20revision There are other possibilities too, such as: http://www.puredarwin.org/developers/booting/efiboot And, GRUB info for booting Linux on Mac: http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI also http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnMacbook To my mind, it's worth investigating these solutions (based on a clickable icon OSX bash script on the SoaS USB stick, containing the bless command but requiring admin rights) since the result will be very easy to use and won't touch the hard disk. Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 21:23, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: 2009/5/28 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Luke, can you point us to a link where we can learn more about what you are trying to accomplish? I think this is Ticket 598 to support the Gardner Pilot. the use case is here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Critical_Path_Technical_Issues Yes, that's an accurate description of the goals for this project. An installable boot helper would provide functionality not avaliable in a normal boot-helper ISO, namely increasing boot time (time between a student inserting a SoaS stick and getting up and running) in addition to less down-time in between switches (as the machine would be able switch to another user/SoaS stick without rebooting). It would also be trivial to enable features such as on-server backups, live SoaS upgrades and repairs, and centralized administration by the IT staff. The boot-helper is related to a new installer method for this reason: our current method of formatting and installing SoaS on USB sticks cannot be read by the boot-helper. LVM snapshots are difficult to read outside of the context (in this case the kernel used in SoaS) in which they were created. Therefore, I suggested that we simply have raw EXT3/whatever on the flash drive, and mount them directly rather than using LVM. Sounds very good, do we have a timeframe already for testing the first results from this project? Regards, Tomeu -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen
Sebastian, Gary I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea brewing for awhile What's the deadline please? thanks Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi folks, sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've been spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our SoaS Yum repo to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly rewritten, and I was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to deal with a new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar logo again, but we might also want to have something more shiny (probably with a progress bar). Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing there was at first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really great if someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of view if no one else steps forward. So. When did you need it by? OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software release, which gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file structure: http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of olpc.tar.bz2 it seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the config that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps the names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about the location of corner-image.png, perhaps hardcoded again? I'm just downloading your latest Soas build so will have a dig in there to see what you have done already – I'm just wondering if this is really as easy as generating a bunch of png files with the correct file names :-) Regards, --Gary Thanks, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism
I, too, encounter difficulty finding elements in the Journal but haven't found time yet to contribute to a feature discussion. just 2 cents about hierarchical representation: it certainly has uses. The coolest one I ever saw was 8 years ago by a company (trying to remember the name) that provides intranet search to corporations: users enter text in a Google-like box; the bottom half of the screen shows hit-parade results (links) by relevancy, but the top half dynamically generated a hierarchy by type: text file (subclassed by format upon drilling down), media file, intranet web page, database result (interrogation by prebuilt connectors), etc. Clicking on any hierarchy entry regenerated the hit-parade by that type. Private tagging was possible, tied to the user's profile but exportable. Viewing rights were handled too; if unavailable to the profile, the link would be greyed but the info source within the company shown, so the user could militate for access (as opposed to not knowing its existence). Related: I heard Steve Jobs say in 1998 that folders were great for small numbers of files, but it didn't scale... so he had resorted to e-mailing files to himself, with different accounts and keywords in the subject lines... and sort/filter available in mail software. Today, OSX uses Spotlight which indexes not just text, but media file metadata, a subject dear to my heart (the Ogg container is well-suited to that). However, since I find Spotlight windows a pain (the commandline version is often faster), I continue to use the system I've used these past ten years: e-mailing documents between my accounts adding as many keywords as I can and searching in different ways (gmail search is not bad but could actually be quite a lot better). I think the Journal will be fine if additional search options are very carefully selected... and as much metadata as possible is pulled out of media files. I have found exiftool to be wonderful in this respect Sean On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:18:35AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:58:17AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Tomeu Vizoso writes: I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented features. If we bring down good design ideas not by themselves but because of its implementation status, we risk ending up with nothing that brings new value compared to existing desktops. You say that like it would be a bad thing. The existing desktops are at least time-tested. Learning to deal with the common features of modern desktop systems is very valuable for children. I flat out disagree that Sugar should be a learning experience towards using alternative user interfaces. In that mindset we should mimic Word, Excel and the Windows desktop, not for the quality of their interface designs, but simply because they are expremely popular so getting acquainted to them is very valuable for children. To the extent that there are common features that are highly unlikely to change across versions or even OSes, definitely. MacOS System 6, MacOS X, OS/2 Warp, and Windows Vista have certain basic features in common. It's a safe bet to say that most of these features will remain in the computers of 2017. Actually, I am not so sure about that: I suspect user interfaces (as well as many other features of our society) do not evolve linear, but more and more rapidly transform. So I am willing to challenge you in that bet. :-D I suggest, for simplicity sake in our later judgement, that we limit the bet to do all popular computer desktop environments still use (and directly expose to the edn user) a hierarchical file system in 2017, as they did in 2009? And I propose a symbolic item from looser to winner, with a fun punishment twist added: One bottle of bewerage of the winner's choosing, delivered personally at the winner's door step. How does that sound? Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoeczYACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhjdACgg6Q4x+mudFAyWE7tZBMMkC1d mdQAoISLHzNrsO5kO0WqCzjU977WKGU3 =mR8C -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
Many thanks for that James, great suggestion Sean On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote: Sean, I'm blowing my own horn here, but I just finished a new version of Read Etexts that might be worth a look. The new version has a Books tab that lets you search the Project Gutenberg offline catalog and download titles to the Journal. Gutenberg has lots of Juvenile books as well as well known books by European authors in their original languages. I posted it on ASLO yesterday, with new screenshots. In addition to the catalog search, if you run it on SoaS you can use the Speech tab to read the book aloud with word highlighting. Many different voices are available, so for instance you could use a French voice for the works of Dumas and Verne. The books are plain text, no pictures, but if I say so myself Read Etexts has become impressive in a way it never has been before. For books with pictures you could suggest a visit to the Internet Archive website to get books in PDF format that Read could use. There are some remarkable PDFs of scanned in book pages there. James Simmons Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar? To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue! More specifically, advising parents how to download run SoaS and do educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays. Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ... Suggestions please! thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
Thanks Rita!! Sean On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Rita Freudenberg r...@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote: Hi all, attached find a description about using Etoys to create digital postcards, developed by Kathleen Harness.Wouldn't it be great to have postcards from kids all over the world greeting us from their home town? Kathleen even lists the NETS standards regarding the postcard task. Greetings, Rita Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar? To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue! More specifically, advising parents how to download run SoaS and do educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays. Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ... Suggestions please! thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
OSX has a CLI bless command which may do what is necessary. I'll try to look into this, I have a recent Mac Mini Sean On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 08:19:53AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: I had an idea in the shower this am (some of my best ideas come while I am in the shower). I think I may know what is going on with the Macs and live Sugar CDs and how it might be fixed. According to Apple, when you boot with the option key down, the computer looks for all bootable items, eg the Mac HD, a Windows section (via Boot Camp), an external drive, a USB stick, or a CD in the Macs optical drive. The item must contain all elements needed to be bootable. Sooo Please beware that Apple might have a different interpretation for the term bootable. It might very well be (as was for sure with pre-Intel Macs!) that the nice Apple boot selector only lists things looking Mac-like (i.e. looks like a Darwin kernel). [...some google searching...] Indeed, that seems to be the case: You need to boot from a HFS+ partition that is blessed. A solution seems to be here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869324 Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software. In other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images. :-( - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZcuQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjC1wCgh8v+TjGasKsNGHJNarJONbl1 U1UAn0rjHnFuaaVWKv3zLlS/qnriFqQL =1ldq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #864 UNSP: Browse activity segfault when clicking on a ogg file
the file is bad. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:55 PM, SugarLabs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #864: Browse activity segfault when clicking on a ogg file --+- Reporter: thjc | Owner: erikos Type: defect | Status: new Priority: Unspecified by Maintainer | Milestone: soas_fossvt Component: Browse | Version: Unspecified Severity: Unspecified | Resolution: Keywords: | Distribution: SoaS Status_field: Unconfirmed | --+- Comment(by thjc): Actually on further examination, this seems to only happen on the particular Example.ogg that is linked in the main ticket. -- Ticket URL: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/864#comment:1 Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs bug tracking system ___ Bugs mailing list b...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Dell Latitude 2100 School Netbooks: Dell PR + Dell blog post + Flickr set + YouTuve vid + CNet article
http://content.dell.com/us/en/corp/d/press-releases/2009-05-19-Latitude2100.aspx http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/archive/2009/05/19/latitude-2100-dell-netbook-for-schools.aspx http://www.flickr.com/photos/dellphotos/sets/72157618110617117/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_1N9UtEZWc http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10243917-1.html (Unfortunately, the writer has apparently never heard of OLPC and the XO, crediting the Intel Classmate for being the first netbook :-/ ) http://www.Edu4u.com = New Dell online community for educators; education-specific Educational Personal Purchase Programs; software preloading service (ImageDirect) so school districts can receive ready-to-deploy computers not needing admin prep; TechKnow 40-hour training program to help students troubleshoot tech problems directly; webNetwork private cloud pilot claims to provide secure web access to web, hosted web or Windows applications and data, from anywhere, using any device. Dell Latitude 2100: * Aimed specifically at education market. * Choice of Windows XP Home, Vista Home Basic or Ubuntu (!). * 10.1 1024x576 LED screen; optional touchscreen claimed as a first for an educational netbook. * Intel Atom N270, 1 Gb of RAM * Storage: hard drive 250Gb, SSD 16Gb * Surfing LED bar on the top of opened cover (Network Activity Light) designed to inform teacher when kids have wireless activity; apparently can be called by applications. No info about whether it can be turned off (in a class running Sugar, all those machines would be blinking all the time, could drive anybody nuts) * Gigabit Ethernet, 802.11g standard, 802.11n optional * SD/MMC card reader. * VGA port, 3 USB ports, headphone/speaker out, microphone in * Rubberized case (optional strap with locking anti-theft feature) in five colors (School Bus Gold, Chalkboard Black, Ball Field Green, Blue Ribbon and Schoolhouse Red... reminds me of my beloved 1966 Chevy Chevelle in Tropic Turquoise) * 24-bay classroom charging station available in the US and has LAN update feature for admins. * Window on battery pack for inserting school student name. * Optional webcam. * Optional anti-microbial keyboard (US-only; for my part, I recommend wash hands with soap) * MSRP: $369 Sean Sugar Labs Marketing Coordinator ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar on a website
Marketers, check this out! Sean On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: The great team in paraguay have a new website, based on an interface you might recognise :) http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] How Can We Showcase Turtle Art Portfolio
I'll be sure to have my camcorder ready... and my understanding is that Saturday's presentations will be streamed live On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:23 AM, John Tierney jtis4...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello All, Would like commentary from the community on how we can try and showcase the abilities of Turtle art Portfolio along with the things each of us are working on. The email below came from my inability(due to my confusing question) to start the thread in our IRC marketing meeting today. I hope those of you going to Paris get a chance to spend some time on this subject. This is an important piece of our Educational Outreach and a capability that all community members can showcase. Therefore, I have cross-posted to IAEP, Developer, and Marketing-please pass along to others who can be of help to the conversation. Thanks, John Tierney Hi Walter, Sorry I wasn't so clear in my question was just trying to start thread about importance of Showcasing TA Portfolio-The Journal and TA Portfolio combination for Teachers ability to see child's work and progression is one of the themes we should push. The idea that every activity integrates with the Portfolio is great selling point for teachers. When developers and activity designers discuss and describe their work mentioning it integrates with TA portfolio reinforces key concepts of reflection and critique and allows for children to showcase their creativity for Parents, Teachers, Peers and Community. From the non-technical/developer world I am not sure if it works with all activities. Showcasing and featuring the TA Portfolio as an additional assessment source which allows children to let their creativity shine is an important thing to get across. Allowing all community members to market this ability(Helps or Works with TA Portfolio) will help bring many more Teachers and others into the fold. Having a little session with the members at Sugar Camp Paris and with OLPC France about TA Portfolio and its ability to help Teachers and Students and the Programs ability would be very beneficial, even more so if it was recorded. Much like Evangeline's and your presentation at Sugar Camp it was one of the most instructive pieces on how this ability can make a true difference in the classroom. Now that the TA Portfolio activity has been realized, putting forth it's usability seems advantageous. Just an idea- Spot on. The reason why I give all my talks using Turtle Art is exactly to make this point of closing the loop. -walter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] I have booked a space for Sunday May 16th Sugar Labs meeting
By the way, hours will be from 10:00 AM to 7:00 PM Sean On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: La Ruche 84 quai de Jemmapes 75010 Paris Tél.:+33 (0)1 48 03 92 00 http://www.la-ruche.net La Ruche (The Beehive) describes itself as a living laboratory. It's an alternative space which provides office infrastructure and support in a relaxed environment for ethical entrepreneurs (social business). Their meeting room has a capacity of 30 people and is equipped with wifi, videoprojector, and whiteboard. Outside the meeting room is a lounge area conducive for informal discussions. They are located along the charming Canal Saint Martin (http://paris.bypainters.com/10eme/images/canal%20dt%20Martin/peintures/rafflewski%20-Rolf-paris-le-canal-st-martin.jpg) a short walk from Place de la République. Film buffs will recognize the Hôtel du Nord. Many restaurants and cafés are in the vicinity. It's more expensive than I planned because of the Sunday charge, but I feel sure we will have a great meeting there! Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] what version of Sugar is this please?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] what version of Sugar is this please?
Thanks for the responses, I'm curious because one of the XO-1s I bought on eBay is running a pre- v8.2 / 0.82 version of Sugar and the Home View resembles that screenshot Sean On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 12 May 2009, at 08:38, Sean DALY wrote: http://olpc.teachingmatters.org/node/99 Could be 767 at the very latest, but looks like the images were used wiki.laptop.org and not an actual screen grab of a current machine (one on an old Simplified_user_guide page, the other an old Journal page), so can't be sure what is actually being used: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Journal_Activity (uploaded 9 December 2007) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Journal.jpg (uploaded 21 December 2007) --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] I have booked a space for Sunday May 16th Sugar Labs meeting
La Ruche 84 quai de Jemmapes 75010 Paris Tél.:+33 (0)1 48 03 92 00 http://www.la-ruche.net La Ruche (The Beehive) describes itself as a living laboratory. It's an alternative space which provides office infrastructure and support in a relaxed environment for ethical entrepreneurs (social business). Their meeting room has a capacity of 30 people and is equipped with wifi, videoprojector, and whiteboard. Outside the meeting room is a lounge area conducive for informal discussions. They are located along the charming Canal Saint Martin (http://paris.bypainters.com/10eme/images/canal%20dt%20Martin/peintures/rafflewski%20-Rolf-paris-le-canal-st-martin.jpg) a short walk from Place de la République. Film buffs will recognize the Hôtel du Nord. Many restaurants and cafés are in the vicinity. It's more expensive than I planned because of the Sunday charge, but I feel sure we will have a great meeting there! Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten
crossposting to sugar-devel -- Forwarded message -- From: Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Grassroots-l] OLPC in Kindergarten To: Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu Cc: alejandro.fernan...@lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar, iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, grassro...@lists.laptop.org My company has developed some software prototypes for early algebra that could work for 4-6 year olds. I would be interested in adopting these ideas for OLPC, but I'd need some collaborators for that. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Hola Alejandro, I'm currently not aware of any other OLPC or Sugar projects working with children at that age. Most pilots and deployments currently seem to be focused on primary-school children (age 6 to 10). -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Heise DE on SoaS beta-1
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Advanced search on ASLO
We also have an issue with three search engines local to their sections on the Sugar Labs site. So search for activities is good, it clearly indicates that search is local to the section. thanks Sean On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 25 Apr 2009, at 03:46, Josh Williams wrote: Hey everyone, I've finally started a style sheet for ASLO. You can see what I have so far at http://activities-devel.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/ . It's not much, but I'm moving forward. Fab :-) Just wondering if there was a consensus to ditch the advanced search options? I think it might be a good idea for the sake of simplicity and ease of use for kids. However, I don't know if it's something some users actually need. I think at the very least within categories should be removed even if we do keep the advanced options. Any thoughts? I'd never even noticed the advanced search feature until you just mentioned it! FWIW, I'd be happy with just the plain search input box over on the top right (no 'advanced', no 'within'). The simpler the better, given our target audience. Every UI feature you can get away with removing... is one less item of distraction/confusion/ maintenance :-) Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick Beta-1 press release is out!
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/04-22-2009/0005010701EDATE= Christian has done a super job of simplifying our press page (http://www.sugarlabs.org/press). Journalists can now tell at a glance what the Sugar Labs press release timeline looks like and which translations of our press releases are available. Mike Lee's photo ( http://www.sugarlabs.org/press/sugar-on-a-stick.jpg ) I think captures what SoaS is prefectly. For the moment today's press release is in English and French, and Spanish is nearly ready. Whoever wishes to help with German, Italian, Portugese, Dutch, et cetera, your assistance is more than welcome! Plain text in a file is best Please note I am still catching up with the de (corr) / nl / ro / pt translations of our last press release generously provided by Simon Schampijer, Martin van Zanten, Lucian Branescu, and Paulo Drummond. Sorry for the delay guys in getting those online, that work is deeply appreciated and will go up soon now that I have some time and our press page can scale more effectively. If you can possibly help out with today's release that would be very helpful! thanks Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] May 16th Paris: ContentCamp? MiniCamp? MidiCamp? UltraCamp? SugarCamp?
OLPC France renamed their ContentCamp to SugarCamp at their last meeting as an acknowledgement of Sugar's role on the XO and now branching out to other platforms. I am working with Lionel Laské to promote the May 16th event to French publications (draft of press release here in fr/en: http://olpc-france.org/wiki/index.php?title=Communiqu%C3%A9_de_presse_%C3%A9v%C3%A9nement_du_16/05/2009 ) I myself like SugarCamp or SugarCamp Europe but some have been saying MiniCamp on the list, can we come to a consensus on this? thanks :-) Sean ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] USB stick advice
OSX's FreeBSD has dd but no syslinux :-( On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: [cc'ing fedora-olpc because we are using unmodified fedora tools] On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 23:33, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. This is all helpful. I wonder what the Fedora USB Creator does when it runs under Windows? AFAIK, what Mitch says is what we currently do when using both livecd-iso-to-disk.sh and the Fedora Live USB creator. For flashing a big number of sticks with a port replicator, we could first use livecd-iso-to-disk.sh to copy the partition files to one stick and set the bootable flag, then use dd to read into an image and then dd again to write it to the rest of the sticks, provided they are actually identical inside. Regards, Tomeu -walter On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote: My first order recommendation is don't use dd to blast an image over the existing partition map. The problem with doing so is that it wrecks the factory partition layout. I strongly suspect that said factory layout is, on many sticks, optimized for the characteristics of the stick's internal firmware and the hardware block sizes of the NAND Flash chips. Unfortunately, the alternative is rather more complicated procedurally than dd and pray. But given the indifferent results from ddpray, I think it may be worthwhile to go for a more elaborate procedure. Here is an outline of what I think really should be done: a) Ensure that your filesystem image is somewhat smaller than 1G (or 2G or whatever your base size) so it will fit on all 1G devices. b) The image is just the partition contents, excluding the partition block and master boot record. c) The installation procedure involves c1) Editing (not replacing) the existing partition map, setting the first partition's boot flag byte and changing its filesystem type to ext2 or whatever. (Ideally it would better not to change the filesystem type, instead sticking with the factory FAT partition, but I understand what a hard nut that is to swallow for Linux enthusiasts.) c2) Copying the image into the partition c3) Installing your bootloader using an installation program instead of dd, thus replacing the first sector's Master Boot Record and doing whatever else is necessary to complete the bootloader's installation. I have had the best results with syslinux. There is, of course, a chicken-and-egg problem of how do you run the bootloader's installer. On the other hand, you have the same problem with dd - in principle, on any machine that can run dd, you can also run syslinux. If you want to talk more about this issue, please feel free to keep the conversation going. It is a topic that has been much on mind recently. Mitch Walter Bender wrote: I was wondering if you have any words of wisdom to share with us re USB stick compatibility, given your experience with the XO. There seems to be a lot of variability in terms of which sticks boot which machines in our Sugar-on-a-Stick experiments, e.g., using the same machine (a Classmate running XP) to burn the same image (the Beta SoaS iso) onto USB storage media from three different vendors, I cannot predict which one(s) will be bootable on any particular piece of hardware. Is there any deterministic way to proceed, or is trail and error our only recourse? thanks. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Beta Image and Boot Helper - please TEST!
fabulous work! I'd love to create a label but i'm really underwater right now :-( Sean On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi all, I think we might have some news you could be interested in: The SoaS Beta image has been composed and uploaded, so you can grab it now already, even if it's scheduled for release tomorrow. The link is here: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/soas-beta.iso Secondly, we've a boot helper now based on F11 ready! So if your BIOS doesn't support booting from an USB key, you can just download this additional iso, burn it to a CD and boot from it while having your USB key plugged in: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/soas-boot.iso Note that if you're going to use the boot helper, your USB key (or other device) needs to be named FEDORA. This is really a requirement! Both the liveusb-creator and the livecd-iso-to-disk script support this now. The latter one changes this automatically when being run with the --format argument (this removes all your data on the key, though). You can grab a new version here: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh Please test this combination, as it's an important part to get SoaS working on older hardware! Finally, if somebody could create a CD label for the boot helper disk, this would be really great! Thanks and happy testing! --Sebastian ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] youtube ...
Video is, of course, the most stressful work one can ask of a system, and the most common YouTube codecs these days (On2 VP6 and H.264) are very processor-intensive. Usually,the best workaround is to try to keep the framerate but downsize to postage-stamp. No idea how that could be done though. Sean On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.ca wrote: Hello, I tried running youtube on the OLPC. The browser showed to click here to run flash, but flash never ran. Did anyone manage to run youtube in the browser? Is there a flash puggin needed? If so, does it exist? Gnash, which OLPC uses by default, is terrible in that version of the OS. Even if you installed the official Flash plugin from Adobe, it is too much overhead for the XO to handle. The best Youtube support I have seen on the XO is in debxo using totem plugins (written in C afaict and directly playing the video file through RSS magic) FWIW, I have not been able to get youtube on gnash working on ubuntu 8.10 but it works fine on 9.04. But Ubuntu as a rule doesn't work well on the XO :( So, when sugar runs on ubuntu 9.04 we will be getting pretty close! I have not tried the latest version of Gnash in Jaunty, but if this is the case it will be most welcome, and will greatly ease the deployment of Sugar in schools. Still no luck getting the standard 9.04 Sugar packages to install and run on Sugar. I could not do more testing of gnash in Sugar. But, when viewing youtube videos in gnash/firefox viewer on gnome both CPUs maxed out on my dual core 1.6GHz laptop:( david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-106
remember the URL should be http://www.sugarlabs.org and not http://sugarlabs.org thanks On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Apr 2009, at 10:50, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Sorry to rush on this, but barring objections, I get the feeling this is getting close to happening in the next 24hrs... http://dev.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/645/simple_static_page_v3.png Objection! :-) Please re-add the link to 'Local Schoolserver'. OK :-) Silly question, so I've added a link to http://schoolserver/ which will be a broken link unless you are in a school environment with a school server set to that name. Could distros (like SoaS, or XO targeted builds), change the resolution order through /etc/host.conf (maybe also /etc/nsswitch.conf) so that the check for schoolserver go first to a dns server? If that fails to resolve, a local host file entry could then try to go to the schools moodle server at http://schools.sugarlabs.org/ Hmmm, I guess that's going to mess with browser cookies, but just thought I'd raise the question. I might look at some other old html tricks (but not for this release) that could avoid the broken link. Some dhtml tricks might work hiding the potential error page in a hidden frame and auto switching to the public server URL if the local URL fails. BTW, did you mean to CC the list? We've dropped to a private thread... Ooops, back on list. --G cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Non-US non-XO keyboard (Was: 7 Meilen Stiefel or New Soas-2 image available)
Actually my problem is not the XOs which are qwerty, but my netbooks which are azerty On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Sean, The OLPC XO sets the keyboard based upon manufacturing data, since the keyboard layout is determined by the hardware. The language setting in the Control Panel is just for the language of the interface, which is independent of the physical keyboard. We do need to resolve this for SoaS at some point. But as Martin points out, it is possible to set by editing a configuration file... -walter 2009/3/27 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:39:13AM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Thanks Simon, I have read the thread but it seems to apply to XOs only It applies to Soas. My Acer Aspire One has a French azerty keyboard and boots up SoaS-1 and SoaS-2, but I can't find a way for it to see the French keyboard [...] any way to solve this, even manual config? Try putting something like this in your /etc/sysconfig/keyboard file: KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us LAYOUT=fr,us MODEL=pc105+inet OPTIONS= VARIANT=azerty Disclaimer: I haven't tried this and am mostly guessing. thanks Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ars technica
I'm very pleased as well, one of our goals was to make Sugar Labs easy to find and we are excellently referenced in Google, Google News, and Google Blogs now - I check several times a day every day. Another goal was to turn the tide of negative press and an article like this is of course helpful in that regard. Although I have mailed to nearly all of our targeted English and French language journalists, I am still sending to targeted educators. I am working on an article for OLPCNews to reach out to G1G1 owners to try Sugar and help us with bug reports. Please, if there is anyone who can help translating our press release into Portugese, Italian, or any other language besides the four we had at launch, I would be very grateful. thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:58 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sugar-labs-announces-new-version-of-sugar-learning-platform.ars Nice to see a positive article from Ars (if it is straight from the press release), since they panned just about everything OLPC did. Also interesting is how the term Sugar and Sugar Labs are climbing in the search engins. wiki.sugarlabs.org is now the 6th listing for the search term 'sugar' in google. Along with the positive press, we are now much more findable. david BTW, the release mentions a mind map activity. Have either of the two development branches actually been released yet? -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
I have been doing FAT16 exclusively until today, but (if i'm not confused) the latest SoaS-2 which image failed to boot my XOs when formatted FAT16 succeeded when formatted FAT32. By the way when using the fedora liveusb-creator v3.6.3 (previous revs fail) on WinXP i found that formatting the stick immediately prior to burning it seemed to work better... On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: If there any belief that either FAT or FAT32 formatting is better then the other? Is that something I should be trying when I have problems? Thanks, Caroline On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Great. So do you think the problem was the SoaS image or FAT vs FAT32? I do recall that OFW used to be finicky about USB keys that no longer had their factory formatting. -walter On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Success booting an XO-1 with March 23rd SoaS-1! I allotted 130 Mb persistent storage on 2 Gb stick formatted FAT (not FAT32) on WinXP then .iso loaded with fedora LiveUSB Creator v3.6.3 utility. (Note: utility insulted me for trying to overwrite the bootable stick which wouldn't boot so reformat necessary) XO-1 Firmware rev: Q2E35 USB key on boot no keypress=hangs at Xo symbol, no loading dot sequence USB key on boot Check button pressed=shows Esc countdown press Esc in time then at ok Forth prompt, boot finds the stick starts Sugar 0.84.1 verified on both XO-1s I have available... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK, no boot from today's SoaS-2 in the slot However, when rebooting, Esc countdown did not appear unless Check key pressed at OK forth prompt I typed: ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth the script started then failed with this text: * mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/live-rw, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell bash-4.0# * Will try with last SoaS-1 image on my other XO thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm... yes, I downloaded and installed v3.2 on March 4th... four days before the new version came out! the utility itself keeps as a big fat secret what version it is... I'll be happy if that fixes the problem... but upset if the 8 or 10 hours I have put in trying to boot useless sticks was because of that... our wiki page really needs precise information... which by the way I am willing to write, if I manage to boot my XO with a SoaS image been trying for days on end :-( don't get me wrong I appreciate the utility's existence since I only have Macs in the house and I don't know how to burn a USB .iso from my two GNU/Linux netbooks or old PC with a liveCD OK, will try again many thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: I believe only the most recent LiveUSB Creator programs will put an 'olpc.fth' on there for you. Maybe the sticks were created with an older version? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I stick one on, will it boot? I suspected this was the problem as I explored the sticks from the ok prompt this is why we need some kind of integrity checker for a burned stick, to check if anything is missing, or if the user has monkeyed with files (Scout's honor I did not :-), or (say) the timestamp of an x.org config file, etc. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority over booting from USB. You can boot manually from OFW.. something like ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth should locate 'boot\olpc.fth' on the USB key and start it manually. -Wade On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation
Re: [Sugar-devel] 7 Meilen Stiefel or New Soas-2 image available
I confirm, I was able to boot that SoaS-2 image on an XO-1 and an Acer Aspire One and despite having set 130 Mb of the 1 Gb stick for persistent storage, the Journal told me on startup that it was full even though i only had 2 items in it. By the way does anyone know how to specify a French azerty keyboard mapping with SoaS? thanks Sean 2009/3/27 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com: Hi Simon, Here are tonight's test results. SoaS2 3-25 Connects to the internet but does not show anyone in my neighborhood view. Immediately tells me my journal is full and I know I set up persistent storage when I created the stick. It does remember my colors and name when I reboot. It also shows my browse session in the journal after reboot. Do you want Tickets? Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, the soas team is wearing their 7 Meilen Stiefel those days! News: - abiword (the 'olpc' version with abicollab enabled) - Sharing in Write does work now! - latest NetworkManager (fixes rh #491620) - new version of the Imageviewer activity: - Fix initial zoom level being extremely small: d.sl.o #486 (Tomeu) - New German translation - latest 0.84 Sugar snapshot: - CP: Disallow the user from selecting any fallbacks if English (USA) is selected (#slo:561) - Call *mount_finish when the callback is called #326 - Add full licence to data dir #357 - The logout option is available by default - Resume from home is duplicating activity instances again #600 - first shot on usb device mounting capabilities (#626, #627 have been filed about encountered issues) Where: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903251017.iso Known issue: I was not able flashing the image on F10, could not boot into it. F11 did work fine though. Tomeu suspected a newer version of syslinux on F11 - I will report back. Does that sound good? Fetch the image and test the hell out of it - and remember like God likes all it's children - the Soas team likes all it's bugs - so please do file them at dev.sugarlabs.org Get it when it is still sticky! Your Soas Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?
If only I knew where to find it... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: coming in off the cuff here, but have we looked at headless network appliance type machines as school servers? yes (well, duh ;-) ). Pros and cons discussed abundantly on server-devel ;-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?
ok thanks I'm signed up i'll peruse the archives I had looked all over the Sugar Labs wiki for that list and gave up :-( On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: If only I knew where to find it... ;-) search the list archive for 'headless' and for 'xs on xo' for starters. Here is an example scoped to the correct archive: http://www.google.be/search?hl=enq=site%3Alists.laptop.org%2Fpipermail%2Fserver-devel+hardware in general, the XS sw is designed for headless operation. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #625 LOW: login screen on soas-2 should be branded?
I strongly support anything we can do to tell users what it is they are using, ideally with a version number. Can we envisage a sugarlabs splash page after the fedora splash page? As we tackle the support problem, helping a non-computer whiz user easily identify the running version is vvery necessary. Reminder, our marketing policy is to communicate Sugar Labs, not just Sugar. Any of Christian's horizontal logos will do nicely. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM, SugarLabs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #625: login screen on soas-2 should be branded? +--- Reporter: tomeu | Owner: sdz Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: Low | Milestone: Unspecified by Release Team Component: SoaS | Version: Unspecified Severity: Minor | Keywords: Distribution: SoaS | Status_field: Unconfirmed +--- we autologin to sugar, but we have the logout option on the xomenu, so the user may end up seeing it. Of course, maybe the bug is that the logout option is visible on soas-2 and we should disable it during image creation. -- Ticket URL: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/625 Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs bug tracking system ___ Bugs mailing list b...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC)? if so, how? since the instructions for Option 1 on the wiki page are not working for me. I see there is a new SoaS-2 image in there, again, I don't think we should be recommending to G1G1 owners they use that one yet? As I say, I have doubts about the SoaS-1 and SoaS-2 sticks I am using, it appears the XO can't find anything to boot with on these sticks while my Acer Aspire One boots up with both (?) I suppose there's no way to boot manually from a stick from OFW? thanks Sean On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I am having a more fundamental issue. 1) First I used liveusb-creator on windows with Soas1 and created the crc and img files to install to the NAND. That doesn't work for me. 2) Next I tried technique one from Fedora 10 but the livecd-iso-to-disk does not have the --xo options. It looks like those instructions use a newer version of livecd-tools. Is this impossible from Fedora 10? What else should I be using. Dave On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 02:28:08PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC I am late writing an article on this and I'm not getting anywhere because I can't boot either of my XOs from USB. I've had plenty of success booting from NAND and USB. * I see that most recent image is SoaS-2, is this what we want to recommend right now to G1G1 owners? Would a choice be better? SoaS-2 needs more testing and bugfixing IMHO. We shouldn't recommend it to G1G1 owners unless they want to be testers. * I can't boot my XO which is at firmware Q2E18 but I am ready to try a later firmware such as Q2E28 or Q2E34 I don't think this is a firmware issue. I was booting off NAND with Q2E19. Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I stick one on, will it boot? I suspected this was the problem as I explored the sticks from the ok prompt this is why we need some kind of integrity checker for a burned stick, to check if anything is missing, or if the user has monkeyed with files (Scout's honor I did not :-), or (say) the timestamp of an x.org config file, etc. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority over booting from USB. You can boot manually from OFW.. something like ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth should locate 'boot\olpc.fth' on the USB key and start it manually. -Wade On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC)? if so, how? since the instructions for Option 1 on the wiki page are not working for me. I see there is a new SoaS-2 image in there, again, I don't think we should be recommending to G1G1 owners they use that one yet? As I say, I have doubts about the SoaS-1 and SoaS-2 sticks I am using, it appears the XO can't find anything to boot with on these sticks while my Acer Aspire One boots up with both (?) I suppose there's no way to boot manually from a stick from OFW? thanks Sean On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I am having a more fundamental issue. 1) First I used liveusb-creator on windows with Soas1 and created the crc and img files to install to the NAND. That doesn't work for me. 2) Next I tried technique one from Fedora 10 but the livecd-iso-to-disk does not have the --xo options. It looks like those instructions use a newer version of livecd-tools. Is this impossible from Fedora 10? What else should I be using. Dave On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 02:28:08PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC I am late writing an article on this and I'm not getting anywhere because I can't boot either of my XOs from USB. I've had plenty of success booting from NAND and USB. * I see that most recent image is SoaS-2, is this what we want to recommend right now to G1G1 owners? Would a choice be better? SoaS-2 needs more testing and bugfixing IMHO. We shouldn't recommend it to G1G1 owners unless they want to be testers. * I can't boot my XO which is at firmware Q2E18 but I am ready to try a later firmware such as Q2E28 or Q2E34 I don't think this is a firmware issue. I was booting off NAND with Q2E19. Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
hmmm... yes, I downloaded and installed v3.2 on March 4th... four days before the new version came out! the utility itself keeps as a big fat secret what version it is... I'll be happy if that fixes the problem... but upset if the 8 or 10 hours I have put in trying to boot useless sticks was because of that... our wiki page really needs precise information... which by the way I am willing to write, if I manage to boot my XO with a SoaS image been trying for days on end :-( don't get me wrong I appreciate the utility's existence since I only have Macs in the house and I don't know how to burn a USB .iso from my two GNU/Linux netbooks or old PC with a liveCD OK, will try again many thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: I believe only the most recent LiveUSB Creator programs will put an 'olpc.fth' on there for you. Maybe the sticks were created with an older version? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I stick one on, will it boot? I suspected this was the problem as I explored the sticks from the ok prompt this is why we need some kind of integrity checker for a burned stick, to check if anything is missing, or if the user has monkeyed with files (Scout's honor I did not :-), or (say) the timestamp of an x.org config file, etc. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority over booting from USB. You can boot manually from OFW.. something like ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth should locate 'boot\olpc.fth' on the USB key and start it manually. -Wade On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC)? if so, how? since the instructions for Option 1 on the wiki page are not working for me. I see there is a new SoaS-2 image in there, again, I don't think we should be recommending to G1G1 owners they use that one yet? As I say, I have doubts about the SoaS-1 and SoaS-2 sticks I am using, it appears the XO can't find anything to boot with on these sticks while my Acer Aspire One boots up with both (?) I suppose there's no way to boot manually from a stick from OFW? thanks Sean On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I am having a more fundamental issue. 1) First I used liveusb-creator on windows with Soas1 and created the crc and img files to install to the NAND. That doesn't work for me. 2) Next I tried technique one from Fedora 10 but the livecd-iso-to-disk does not have the --xo options. It looks like those instructions use a newer version of livecd-tools. Is this impossible from Fedora 10? What else should I be using. Dave On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 02:28:08PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC I am late writing an article on this and I'm not getting anywhere because I can't boot either of my XOs from USB. I've had plenty of success booting from NAND and USB. * I see that most recent image is SoaS-2, is this what we want to recommend right now to G1G1 owners? Would a choice be better? SoaS-2 needs more testing and bugfixing IMHO. We shouldn't recommend it to G1G1 owners unless they want to be testers. * I can't boot my XO which is at firmware Q2E18 but I am ready to try a later firmware such as Q2E28 or Q2E34 I don't think this is a firmware issue. I was booting off NAND with Q2E19. Sean Martin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
OK, no boot from today's SoaS-2 in the slot However, when rebooting, Esc countdown did not appear unless Check key pressed at OK forth prompt I typed: ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth the script started then failed with this text: * mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/live-rw, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell bash-4.0# * Will try with last SoaS-1 image on my other XO thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm... yes, I downloaded and installed v3.2 on March 4th... four days before the new version came out! the utility itself keeps as a big fat secret what version it is... I'll be happy if that fixes the problem... but upset if the 8 or 10 hours I have put in trying to boot useless sticks was because of that... our wiki page really needs precise information... which by the way I am willing to write, if I manage to boot my XO with a SoaS image been trying for days on end :-( don't get me wrong I appreciate the utility's existence since I only have Macs in the house and I don't know how to burn a USB .iso from my two GNU/Linux netbooks or old PC with a liveCD OK, will try again many thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: I believe only the most recent LiveUSB Creator programs will put an 'olpc.fth' on there for you. Maybe the sticks were created with an older version? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I stick one on, will it boot? I suspected this was the problem as I explored the sticks from the ok prompt this is why we need some kind of integrity checker for a burned stick, to check if anything is missing, or if the user has monkeyed with files (Scout's honor I did not :-), or (say) the timestamp of an x.org config file, etc. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority over booting from USB. You can boot manually from OFW.. something like ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth should locate 'boot\olpc.fth' on the USB key and start it manually. -Wade On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC)? if so, how? since the instructions for Option 1 on the wiki page are not working for me. I see there is a new SoaS-2 image in there, again, I don't think we should be recommending to G1G1 owners they use that one yet? As I say, I have doubts about the SoaS-1 and SoaS-2 sticks I am using, it appears the XO can't find anything to boot with on these sticks while my Acer Aspire One boots up with both (?) I suppose there's no way to boot manually from a stick from OFW? thanks Sean On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I am having a more fundamental issue. 1) First I used liveusb-creator on windows with Soas1 and created the crc and img files to install to the NAND. That doesn't work for me. 2) Next I tried technique one from Fedora 10 but the livecd-iso-to-disk does not have the --xo options. It looks like those instructions use a newer version of livecd-tools. Is this impossible from Fedora 10? What else should I be using. Dave On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 02:28:08PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC I am late writing an article on this and I'm not getting anywhere because I can't boot either of my XOs from USB. I've had plenty of success booting from NAND and USB. * I see that most recent image is SoaS-2, is this what we want to recommend right now to G1G1 owners? Would a choice be better? SoaS-2 needs more testing and bugfixing IMHO. We shouldn't recommend it to G1G1 owners unless they want to be testers. * I can't boot my XO which is at firmware Q2E18 but I am ready to try a later
Re: [Sugar-devel] Summer of Code Proposal: Furthering Speech Recognition in Sugar.
Kids often start by spelling their own name, in uppercase, for example to sign a drawing or to recognize a label for belongings. Of course, the Jans of this world have an easier time than the Fernandos, but everybody tries, backwards Ns and all. In our house, Memorize was a hit with the under-5 set, not the maths which were too hard (although clicking randomly eventually found pairs) but the uppercase/lowercase letters. Sean. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 satya komaragiri wrote: Games like 'Hangman' can be implemented. These are all letter based and the fun quotient and group involvement increases due to voice input. I think you have said it quite well. The benefit is almost entirely in the fun quotient. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknKmFQACgkQUJT6e6HFtqScqgCdHnOT2z3neArxQrKQtJjf2ILS lDAAn1qananYmGsfwwkxVtXyFHSvOfnQ =slBH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
