Re: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray (Steven Gelsie)
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Craig Bender wrote: A few thoughts: I am curious as to how many of you have actually talked to your Oracle Sales Rep before concurring with these statements? How many of your have based Oracle's commitment level to the product have actually opened a support case or posted questions to the Oracle Forums? I've been in contact three times with Oracle Sales Rep since Oracle purchased SUN. 1. When they (Oracle USA) called me up in my private home on my vacation and told me to shut up online (meaning I would stop posting to this list). 2. When their Swedish salespeople came out to my workplace, told me I was to small a customer for them to consider and at the same time they told me that to get a hardware support contract for a server I first need a software support contract (for Solaris or OEL) even if I was gonna run Ubuntu or RHEL on it. Retroactively also, 5 years back, costed more than the machine. 3. And lastly, when Oracle Germany called me a couple of months ago, asked if they could make amends and have a salesrep call me. We set up a time and everything, he never called. I sat by the phone for 2h waiting. Oracle does not keep acquired products that they do not believe have a future. I'd challenge you to compare release timelines from both Sun and Oracle and see under which flag the product has had more major releases and more features. If Oracle was not committed to Sun Ray and VDI, it would have been gone very soon after the acquisition. I have no doubt that Oracle is commited to Sun Ray and VDI. If they only cut put the same amount of commitment to Sun Ray and/or being moderately nice. Well, that's not exactly true, at least for the firmware change. Oracle is a business, Sun Ray/VDI are products that it sells. Support/Maintenance help pay for developing and supporting the product. There's been more than a few emails on this list from people asking how to get the firmware for free. There's been more than a few on this list that have enjoyed release after release, never having paid for support or maintenance. I do not condone piracy, but you REALLY need to realize that this is a techlist. We are the SunRay-Users, not the SunRay-license-experts. Some of us are technicians, discussing how to get things working (a discussion that would be forbidden with the Oracle no benchmark without consent from Oracle license that they plaster on everything). Speaking purely for myself (though I'm sure on the behalf of everyone involved with Sun Ray/VDI), I love that you love our product, but I'm person just like you. I have a family, like many of you. I have bills to pay, like all of you. There's a reason why Sun isn't around anymore and it's not because of irrelevant technology. We do get that SUN made bad business calls, but again - you are talking economics (and now even your personal life about your family?!) - on a TECHLIST!? So regarding Wyse/Others, do an apple to apples comparison please. Look at all the software you have to buy, both on the client side (features) and server side (management of clients) to give you what Sun Ray has built into it. Be sure to include the maintenance costs. Let me know how many real people you meet involved with the products. I said some time ago on this list that: * TCO is higher than a macbook pro for every user. * Some people REALLY just want SunRay without the VDI (one VM per user). But doing this on old RedHat or OEL just doesn't cut it, the Linux apps are on Ubuntu. I've been waiting for some time to finally say goodbye to this list. Soon I can (but it IS fun staying for the drama). We had 40 SunRay2 last summer, we were planning on retiring them. After overhearing our users complaining we decided do prepone our new model, which was BYOD with a if you dont have a computer you can borrow a macbook pro. For a long time we had 4 SunRay users but the rest were very happy with 5 macbooks they could borrow at any time. Way cheaper and sound, skype and USB-sticks work too! The rest just do BYOD. Today we have 2 SunRay servers (still on SUN license, no Oracle license we run a really old SRSS) - this system has one single user. A secretary that was retired 2 years ago but comes in once a week to help us out with a legacy database, she likes it, she's 67 years old. We are talking about swapping it with a dell machine with old RHEL on it. Or something else, we haven't decided. I really like Oracle hardware but the sales reps scare me - A LOT! -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Lefflerphone direct: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17 phone itdept: +46 8 622 05 70 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http
Re: [SunRay-Users] EXT : Sunray server on Ubuntu 11.10
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Phares, Scott (IS) wrote: Good point. I have just downloaded and built a Ubuntu 11.10 server and was wondering what the plan was for SRS and 11.10. Look forward to a response. Official support or community based support? I've been trying to get SRSS on Ubuntu for some time (without success (I must've been doing seomthing(s) wrong)) and my conclusion is that it might work, briefly - but SRSS is not for Ubuntu. Am I wrong? -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Ken Mandelberg Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:39 PM To: sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: EXT :[SunRay-Users] Sunray server on Ubuntu 11.10 Now that Ubuntu 11.10 is officially out, any thoughts on how to install a Sunray server on it? It does kind of run Gnome 2 via gnome-session-fallback. Is it a matter of replacing lightDM with gdm? ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sunray3 poweroff
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, John Plompen wrote: Hi, It is solved now, I have enable option66 on my DHCP server Execute order 66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09n0qd_n4c0 -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Full HD video ssh -X I don't understand
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Wim Coekaerts wrote: just running mplayer on a remote server not just the local sunray server to show that even that works pretty smoothly :) Is there coming a new SRSS release that has video improvements? With or without VirtualGL? What soundtechnology? What kind of OS do I need to run to get this going? Can I have a fast machine (with nice GPU) and the clients connected to this will get the benefits? I'm today running my clients connected to a RHEL5-server, so all this VDI/Virtualtalk lately has been over my head. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Redhat 5.6 + firefox 3.6.13 + SRSS 5.1
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, . wrote: It is however fixed if I downgrade to firefox 3.0, or use chrome. How did you get chrome running on RedHat? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Oracle Sun Ray demystified
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Roland Sassen wrote: Do you have a proposal how to promote the Oracle Sun Ray? As a former Sun Ray zealot I find this hilarious! This is the beginning of the end. (/drama) It was hard during the Sun days cause nobody wanted to go from Windows to Solaris. And the ones serious about Solaris on the desktop already knew about Sun Ray and were probably using it already. I know of a BIG university here (no names) that ran Sunray1 with Solaris and badly wanted an upgrade. But they were looking at PCs with Ubuntu. I was just about to go over there and install a demo for them with Red Hat promising them that Sun is just about to launch Ubuntu support. They were interested. Every time I gave a demo to someone they saw that it was cheaper, easier administration and the powersavings just blew them away! Let's just wait and see if Sun can figure out how to make the USB stick work in Linux. Nah, we want Ubuntu - but we like the pricetag (FYI, Chrome still doesn't work in RHEL) -- Today it is a totally different story. You have the SunRay 3 + SW support + HW support and after a couple of years it is more expensive than a macbook for everybody. (And a macbook for everybody = no administration) I would love to go on zealot missions but right now I don't believe in this myself. My reseller just gave me his last Sun Ray 2:s second hand, CHEAP! He is muscled out from the business by Oracle, all his clients are left hanging. And now Oracle wonders how to get new customers... Besides, we don't need any more zealots than Brad Lackey of Oracle. -- Do you want serious suggestions on how to promote Oracle Sun Ray? STOP KILLING THE FANS! Back when I started with Sun Ray I was sceptic, but given a couple of demos I was convinced. But every reseller, technician, boss and middle-management person I know who got me into Sun Ray technology already left the ship, in august, when this flaming began. I mean, they really left! Every friend I have who was into Sun Ray or was about to, quit. At the moment I don't know anyone outside this list that runs Sun Ray. (So I feel bad giving you guys the negative tone, cause you're all I got *tear* ;) ) I know technicians on big sites (4000 users or more) that were considering Sun Ray this year but not any more. I'm an admin at a research institute (my opinions doesn't necessarily speak for my workplace all the time) and my friends are admins at commersial places. Whenever I do something new (like we enabled IPv6 on everything a couple of years ago) my friends laugh at me and say it is always a reserch institute that is first, but it is nice to have a case study. We meet for beers every now and then and we talk about work. What shall I tell them next time we meet? Hey Alex, I remember you run Sun Ray, how did the Oracle/SUN merger affect that, my boss was wondering about Sun Ray the other day... -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Oracle Sun Ray demystified
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Seth Galitzer wrote: How about start by cutting the price in half (including the support contract), putting it back to where it's a real competitor to small, cheap desktops or other not-so-thin clients. For me, the #1 selling point is I don't ever have to maintain another Windows desktop once I replace it with a SunRay. Even with VDI, much of the day-to-day management crap you have to do with windows is handled internally. I use uttsc for all of my SunRays, so I only have to maintain my two WTS servers. This beats managing a lab full of desktops any day. Selling any *NIX solution to a shop that is pure Windows will always be a challenge, if not impossible. But where you can expand your user base is in those shops that are already heterogeneous and already have the expertise in *NIX. I love my SunRays, but unless the price comes back down to earth, I will probably not be expanding my herd of DTUs. Certainly not when I can buy an ultra-small-form-factor PC for $200 and roll my own not-so-thin client. I'd rather not do this, because it means I lose all the nice central management tools that SunRay provides. But looking at just the price per DTU these days, it's hard to argue against the DIY route. I still think SunRay is the best-in-class and best-in-market solution, but the price is too high and the marketing is too weak. Seth +1 -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Nearly new Sun Ray 2's and 2FS's
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Sean Clarke wrote: Hi Anyone know what you would expect to get for used, but immaculate Sun Ray 2's and 2FS's with power brick and Sun Keyboard mice? Looking at offloading some shortly and don't know what to expect. In Sweden people are trying to get rid of them and I've been able to get them (barely used) for 145 USD (+VAT) and new ones with new keyboards for 215 USD (+VAT). It is awesome! If you want the real market value you put them on Ebay! There is a second hand market for Sun Ray 2, because they are good enough and people don't want to get into the hardware license that new Sun Ray devices enforce. I believe one can extend the life of the Sun Ray environment by just getting the DTUs on Ebay, etc. Thus the Oracle license problems are postponed. -- Alexander ps: I have no problem buying licenses but they need to make sense. You don't need to be a proud admin with integrity to ditch Sun Ray, you just need to show your boss the TCO of one Sun Ray per user and the TCO of one macbook per user... Right now getting second hand Sun Ray 2:s is most practical. This will of course change very soon. Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Guido Schwarzer wrote: On 08/19/2010 06:42 PM, Brad Lackey wrote: On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:34 AM, William Yang wrote: -There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the SRSS, this support is required. O That can't have been the case in the past...if it was, then enforcement of it now is only going to further weaken the non-large-enterprise community of users. This is now the case with purchases from Oracle. Our local reseller said to me that firmware updates are free during Global Warranty which was three years in the past and is one year for Sun Rays bought after March 16th 2010. After Global Warranty, one has to buy Systems/hardware support for Sun Rays in order to install firmware updates. They also said that this has been the case with purchases from Sun. Is this really true? Furthermore, our local reseller said that in order to get Systems/hardware support for a Sun Ray we have to buy hardware support *retroactively* from the time when Global Warranty ended. We still use about twenty Sun Ray 1 clients which we bought about ten years ago. Does this really mean that we have to pay *retroactively for seven years* in order to install new firmware on Sun Ray 1 clients? Kind regards, Guido -- Dr. Guido Schwarzer (s...@imbi.uni-freiburg.de) Institute of Medical Biometry and Medical Informatics Stefan-Meier-Str. 26, D-79104 Freiburg | Phone: +49 (0)761 203 6668 http://www.imbi.uni-freiburg.de| Fax: +49 (0)761 203 6680 ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users Sorry for this... But... I... Can't... Resist... THIS THREAD IS AWESOME! Better than Dilbert! http://isitfridayyet.org/ -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, CJ Keist wrote: An update on my side. I tried contacting both Wim Coekaerts and Brad Lackey off list to see if they would work with me in saving the Sun Ray infrastructure here at CSU. I got no response back from either of them. I have sent multiple emails. Which leads me to believe they really cannot do much in helping the edu sector with pricing. I get the same feeling. Only that I get hordes of offlist emails from Oracle and the only thing certain is that every mail is crazier than the former. Which summed up to LOADS of crazy stuff now and the only reason I haven't put it all on this list (yet) is because I get this weird mindblock every time I read them. I've lost sleep two nights and I caught a cold (and was in bed for a week). My retail (the one that is being pushed out by) says I got sick due to all the stress. I'm considering leaving IT and become a cartoonist - I would rule! Oh, and every time I cough from the cold it sounds *SCO* *SCO* So weird On 9/7/10 3:01 AM, Alexander Koponen wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: we're on it,. really ... as fast as we can. So, thread-bump. After about 2 weeks of silence I'm still waiting for news from Oracle on this list. Our local retail sent us an invoice for Sun Ray 3 / 3+ with the hardware support and I asked them if it was optional, they haven't called back. We are also decided to buy Sun Fire Servers, but have put this on hold to see the solution for the whole edu-scandal. After some thought I decided that the things that bother me today, 2 weeks after the drama, is that when I buy something, I want to have the right to use it forever. I don't buy a computer, just to pay a yearly fee for the right to use it. I can understand paying a yearly fee to get software updates, but if I don't I can at least run the old software. Also the pricing is a bit hefty, it needs to compete with workstations. If they cost more than workstations they need to be better than workstations in all aspects. Which they might, I haven't tried the 3+ yet. We are thinking of going with second hand SunRay 2, since we bought RTU-licenses in bulk a couple of years back because we were worried something like this would happen. So... Any news yet? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- C. J. Keist Email: cj.ke...@colostate.edu Systems Group Manager Phone: 970-491-0630 Engineering Network ServicesFax: 970-491-5569 College of Engineering, CSU Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301 All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness' ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: we're on it,. really ... as fast as we can. So, thread-bump. After about 2 weeks of silence I'm still waiting for news from Oracle on this list. Our local retail sent us an invoice for Sun Ray 3 / 3+ with the hardware support and I asked them if it was optional, they haven't called back. We are also decided to buy Sun Fire Servers, but have put this on hold to see the solution for the whole edu-scandal. After some thought I decided that the things that bother me today, 2 weeks after the drama, is that when I buy something, I want to have the right to use it forever. I don't buy a computer, just to pay a yearly fee for the right to use it. I can understand paying a yearly fee to get software updates, but if I don't I can at least run the old software. Also the pricing is a bit hefty, it needs to compete with workstations. If they cost more than workstations they need to be better than workstations in all aspects. Which they might, I haven't tried the 3+ yet. We are thinking of going with second hand SunRay 2, since we bought RTU-licenses in bulk a couple of years back because we were worried something like this would happen. So... Any news yet? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] libflashsupport
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: for one, did you do a chmod 755 on the binary ? Of course, I followed the quick howto in the readme. We have managed with flashplayer9 for some time now, the only problem is that latest firefox has a warningscreen on startup for flash9 and my users keep bothering me with this warning screen... :) On 8/31/10 3:27 AM, Alexander Koponen wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: Hi - for those playing with RHEL5 (or preferably OEL5 ;) or even centos) if you use SRS with flash and want audio. grab the rpm and install it http://oss.oracle.com/~wcoekaer/srs-unsupported/ it's just the adobe flash support bit that lets flash use OSS. this also works great with flash 10. If your audio setup is done right and you have the drivers loaded and configured audio then libflashplayer will be using libflashsupport. this is for testing and fun only, it's not something that I put online that comes with support, I am just making sure srs/linux is workable. it's built for i386 and Works for me. let me know how it works out for you. my SRS on OEL5 setup works great with pidgin for audio, and esdplay for my voicemail in thunderbird and then flash10 for like pandora or youtube. have at it. Wim I just tried the Xnewt hack on RHEL 5.3 + updates with SRSS 4.2 but the DTUs got stuck at 26D. Then I changed back to Xnewt.orig and they worked again. :( FYI... Was I doing something wrong? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] libflashsupport
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: Hi - for those playing with RHEL5 (or preferably OEL5 ;) or even centos) if you use SRS with flash and want audio. grab the rpm and install it http://oss.oracle.com/~wcoekaer/srs-unsupported/ it's just the adobe flash support bit that lets flash use OSS. this also works great with flash 10. If your audio setup is done right and you have the drivers loaded and configured audio then libflashplayer will be using libflashsupport. this is for testing and fun only, it's not something that I put online that comes with support, I am just making sure srs/linux is workable. it's built for i386 and Works for me. let me know how it works out for you. my SRS on OEL5 setup works great with pidgin for audio, and esdplay for my voicemail in thunderbird and then flash10 for like pandora or youtube. have at it. Wim I just tried the Xnewt hack on RHEL 5.3 + updates with SRSS 4.2 but the DTUs got stuck at 26D. Then I changed back to Xnewt.orig and they worked again. :( FYI... Was I doing something wrong? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Ivar Janmaat wrote: William Yang schreef: Steve's quote for $73/$431 doesn't come out to 8% or less. Maybe the $73 is actually for the software? This is the information from one of my latest quotes: Sun Ray VDI RTU: 118,40 Euro List price ( In special cases you can get up to 30 to 40 discount on this) Sun Ray VDI support 1 year: 26,05 Euro list price (22% of RTU) Solaris Premium support for the server 1 year: 144,00 Euro (was more than 1000 Euro's with Sun Premium support) Since the hardware/software support of 8% on the sun ray was not available at that time I don't have a quote for that. I am also not sure if the 26.05 for VDI support will stay 26,05 Euro if you get a discount on the RTU or if it than will become 22% of the discounted price. In all the confusion I settled for 26.05 Euro. You don't have to pay for support with NComputing. Well, than you probably have no support when something is not working. There is no 24x7 free support. The problem is that the hardware support agreement is not optional. Brad Lackey said it is from now on required if we want our DTUs to have a legal right to download the firmware from the SRSS. Brad Lackey wrote: There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the SRSS, this support is required. * So first we buy the DTU * Then we buy the SRSS, priced per DTU (and if there's a new server, we buy again) * Then we also add on the new, enforced license, a hardware systems support for each DTU because otherwise they are not allowed to download the firmware from the Server which we already paid for, per DTU. I've been trying hard to find an anlogy for this so others will understand, but I can't find any, because this licensing model is so wicked. We've seen per user/per device licenses before. Like Windows Server TS where you need a CAL for each connection to the TS. But this, I can't get my head around it. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Brad Lackey wrote: The story here is probably a little more complicated than everyone makes it out to be. I can imagine... But remember, we are technicians and hackers. We are not crazy about talking politics, money and bureaucracy - we understand computers. One of the things that Oracle is understandably trying to do is be much more diligent on requiring the purchase of software licenses and support for previous Sun products. Sun was not as accountable as it should have been when verifying entitlement and closing all the free loopholes on software updates, etc. I suspect that there are many out there who are out of compliance. Perhaps even some of you who are on this list. So Let's be clear about a few things... We all know that changes will come, we are waiting for it. But since everybody are antsy they are also sensitive to the tone the changes will be presented. Are we talking about improvements or enforcements? -You must have a Sun Ray Software or Oracle VDI license for each of the Sun Rays or PC's connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI server -Alternatively you may purchase a Named User license for each user connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI Servers -In order to receive updates to Sun Ray software or VDI software you must have support for each of your licenses. This support must remain continuously or re-instatement charges will apply This is just like the regular Sun Ray license. First you buy the DTU then you buy the server, the server is version x and is priced per DTU. When server version y comes out we can have that one if we buy it, priced per DTU. -There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the SRSS, this support is required. Now this is where you lost me. We buy the server, priced per DTU and now we are paying extra for the right to install it on the DTU? I was confused enough when I bought the original DTUs and was told there would be an RTU cost, but I got it now, you need money for development of new server software. You are enforcing these license costs. But, again, we are paying a yearly support contract on each DTU to be able to install the server we were paying per DTU? I certainly can't comment on discount levels, etc. nor what possibly money losing pricing you received before, but obviously things have changed. All pricing to resellers, their discounts, and discounting to direct purchasers are being re-negotiated now that we are part of Oracle. I'm sure that this doesn't surprise anybody. Changes in pricing is always expected when the new vendor without experience enters the customer community. What my problem is that Micrsoft gives us EDU discount, Red Hat does, Maple does, Matlab does and Sun did. The feelings expressed are we like you, you in EDU-land. Now you tell us that EDU discount wont happen, ok, new prices could be accepted. What is harder to accept is Why doesn't Oracle like EDU-land as much as Sun did? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Brad Lackey wrote: This picture is certainly not lost on me, I'm an ex Sun Employee who understands the classic EDU get it in front of them argument for deep discounting to institutions. And as a proud CSU grad, I certainly don't want to loose these products out of there. I think that the sense of Oracle's support for EDU cannot necessarily be measured by how a few of your resellers communicate their panic about no EDU specific pricing. Actually no, my reseller said that we can't do business any longer cause he is now by Oracle enforced to pay a partner fee. He has a very small company (and we like dealing with all size companies) and gives me nice prices with low overhead, so he can't make the fee. He wasn't panicing so much about the no EDU specific pricing as he was about going out of business. So I am wondering, if this is how you treat your partners, how will you treat your customers? This of course doesn't affect only our Sun Ray environment. We buy also SUN-servers annually (and run OpenBSD, RedHat, Ubuntu, Solaris, Windows, everything on them). Then on a more sensitive note I'd like to say that I hate drama and harsh words. This Sunray-users vs. Oracle shoot-out is just ridiculous. But somehow I feel compelled to say at least something cause you are asking for it, you are asking for feedback. And some stuff on this thread is just FUD. If the thread is getting out of hand I'd like to be the first to apologize, because I hate drama-threads, I like solutions and I love being proven wrong. Truth and knowledge is always more useful than winning arguments. It is your product and you have the control of it, the product is just great, I've been advocating it many many times. It is in my opinion the best thin client solution today. Not so many know this but if this product lives long enough it will rule the world sooner or later, we all on this thread know this (just like Linux took some time, but now it rules!). The EDU-world already found this out, cause the EDU-world is often ahead. It is great that your are pumping more resources into the product (patches, bugfixes, new hardware) but please don't kill the supporters. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Steven Gelsie wrote: Does any body know of a vendor that gives discounts on the Sunray DTUs ? Oracle does not give government or educational discounts. We are interested in the 3 Plus. No EDU discount? For real?!!! I was just informed (today) that our favourite vendor will quit selling SUN/Oracle products because Oracle was requiring him to pay a license fee to continue as vendor and his company is not big enough to be able to take this. I was redirected to start buying from Oracle directly, but now when you say this... I have a bad feeling about this -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat
Thanks for the support and info that is coming in. On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Craig Bender wrote: RHEL 5.3 is the platform that we've QA'd against. Also, SRSS has *Never* worked with a default install. There are packages to add, there are specific Java versions supported, etc. You've installed the following additional packages? * Software Development Tools * glib-1.2.10-20.el5 (32-bit RPM on 32-bit and 64-bit OS) * dhcp-3.0.5-3.el5 (Servers/Network Servers) * openldap-2.3.27-8 (Servers/Network Servers) * openldap-clients-2.3.27-8 (Base System/System Tools) * tftp-server-0.42-3.1 (Servers/Legacy Network Server) * libXp-1.0.0-8.i386.rpm (32-bit RPM on 32-bit and 64-bit OS) * openmotif22-2.2.3-18.i386.rpm (32-bit RPM on 32-bit and 64-bit OS) * openssl-0.9.8b-8.3.el5_0.2.i386.rpm (32-bit RPM on 32-bit and 64-bit OS) * compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-61 (32-bit RPM on 32-bit and 64-bit OS) * libusb-devel-0.1.12-5.1.i386 (32-bit RPM for 32-bit OS for libusb) Yes, I did What version of Java are you using? What does java -version state? The one from the ../Supplemental/Java_Runtime_Environment/Linux/ is your safest route as it's the one we've QA'd against. jre1.6.0_15 Same for Apache Tomcat. apache-tomcat-5.5.27 What does your host files look like? If it only has 127.0.0.1 entries, you need to add your hostname and IP That is added during the RHEL install (this is a fresh install) what does getent hosts that hostname show? # getent hosts sunray1.mittag-leffler.se 2001:6b0:15:2::41 sunray1.mittag-leffler.se # Does that hostname match the one in Sun Ray Data Store 3.2 section of the /var/log/utconfig.Date log? What does getent passwd utwww show? That's a local account and shouldn't exist in LDAP/NIS/etc # getent passwd utwww utwww:x:500:500:ut admin web server user:/tmp:/bin/sh # Thing is, I solved it now. If I install RHEL 5 U5 + updated and then the usual procedure with the extra packages, java, tomcat, then srss then utadm then utconfig (with failover) it doesn't work. But now I tried RHEL 5 U3 + extra packages, java, tomcat then srss (without failover) and it works. So i did the RHEL updates restarted, still works. did utconfig unconfig and utadm unconfig and reconfigured with failover and now it works. So RHEL 5 U3 + updates works and RHEL 5 U5 + updates doesn't work but RHEL 5 U3 + updates = RHEL 5 U5 updates I have no clue any longer why this is. I have installed with this procedure many times (I can go from a blank machine to a fully patched and work RHEL sunray server in 2-3h :D ) but it just stopped working recently with RHEL 5 U5 and SRSS 4.2 Another thing I was wondering, why is SRSS 4.2 manual only as wiki while 4.1 was avail as PDF No errors in the /var/log/utinstall.date log? Alexander Koponen wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Matthew Arensberg Wieben wrote: I had those sort of unable to contact LDAP server errors on RHEL5 when I forgot to install the pdksh rpm that comes with the SRSS software. Hopefully, that's it. I tried and no, that's not it. I've tried many things and right now one Sun Ray Server is down here. I've asked some consultants around here but it is as usual, no one has the know-how. I even started looking at Oracle Enterprise Linux but that thing was even harder (I can't even download it). Right now I need to reinstall the other Sun Ray Server but everything points to that if I do, it will be down too. Matt -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Koponen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: Alexander, Seems that I recall someone posting something similar [and in Spanish no less] and the resolution had something to do with the following feedback: Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Check to see whether there isn't already a utwww user existing that is messing up the account creation which then messes up the overall install. No that is just me that tried installing several times to fix the LDAP stuff. utconfig has never had problems with already existing skeleton files. I'm very worried right now because right now latest SRSS doesn't work with default install RHEL and I'm going into production in a week or two and have no failsafe right now. I never had this problem before. Scott -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Koponen Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:50 AM To: sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: EXTERNAL:[SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat I'm using RHEL 5.5 + current updates, i386 version and I'm trying to install SRSS
Re: [SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Matthew Arensberg Wieben wrote: I had those sort of unable to contact LDAP server errors on RHEL5 when I forgot to install the pdksh rpm that comes with the SRSS software. Hopefully, that's it. I tried and no, that's not it. I've tried many things and right now one Sun Ray Server is down here. I've asked some consultants around here but it is as usual, no one has the know-how. I even started looking at Oracle Enterprise Linux but that thing was even harder (I can't even download it). Right now I need to reinstall the other Sun Ray Server but everything points to that if I do, it will be down too. Matt -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Koponen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:43 AM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: Alexander, Seems that I recall someone posting something similar [and in Spanish no less] and the resolution had something to do with the following feedback: Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Check to see whether there isn't already a utwww user existing that is messing up the account creation which then messes up the overall install. No that is just me that tried installing several times to fix the LDAP stuff. utconfig has never had problems with already existing skeleton files. I'm very worried right now because right now latest SRSS doesn't work with default install RHEL and I'm going into production in a week or two and have no failsafe right now. I never had this problem before. Scott -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Koponen Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:50 AM To: sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: EXTERNAL:[SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat I'm using RHEL 5.5 + current updates, i386 version and I'm trying to install SRSS 4.2 Usually I never have problems with this, but this is first time I use this version of SRSS. Last version that worked for me was RHEL 5.4 + current updates and SRSS 4.2 EA 2 Everything installs pretty ok but when I configure utconfig I get this: --- ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) Added 18 new LDAP entries. Creating Sun Ray Server Software Configuration ... Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Not copying any file from skel directory into it. done Sun Ray Web Administration enabled to start at system boot. Starting Sun Ray Web Administration... See /var/opt/SUNWut/log/utwebadmin.log for server logging information. You have chosen to configure this server for a failover group. All servers in a failover group must share a unique signature, which is a string of 8 or more characters where at least two characters are letters and at least one is not. Enter signature: Re-enter signature: Restarting Sun Ray Data Store ... Stopping Sun Ray Data Store daemon Sun Ray Data Store daemon stopped Starting Sun Ray Data Store daemon . Mon Aug 9 12:31 : utdsd starting Adding user admin ... Failed to add user(s) to the list ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. *** The current policy has been modified. You must restart the authentication manager to activate the changes. *** --- And I reboot and most services come up (haven't tried connecting a DTU yet). When I log into the webgui it gives me this: Authentication Failed Unable to connect to the Sun Ray data store. Which is like impossible to google. Please help! -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622
Re: [SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: Alexander, Seems that I recall someone posting something similar [and in Spanish no less] and the resolution had something to do with the following feedback: Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Check to see whether there isn't already a utwww user existing that is messing up the account creation which then messes up the overall install. No that is just me that tried installing several times to fix the LDAP stuff. utconfig has never had problems with already existing skeleton files. I'm very worried right now because right now latest SRSS doesn't work with default install RHEL and I'm going into production in a week or two and have no failsafe right now. I never had this problem before. Scott -Original Message- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Koponen Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:50 AM To: sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: EXTERNAL:[SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat I'm using RHEL 5.5 + current updates, i386 version and I'm trying to install SRSS 4.2 Usually I never have problems with this, but this is first time I use this version of SRSS. Last version that worked for me was RHEL 5.4 + current updates and SRSS 4.2 EA 2 Everything installs pretty ok but when I configure utconfig I get this: --- ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) Added 18 new LDAP entries. Creating Sun Ray Server Software Configuration ... Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Not copying any file from skel directory into it. done Sun Ray Web Administration enabled to start at system boot. Starting Sun Ray Web Administration... See /var/opt/SUNWut/log/utwebadmin.log for server logging information. You have chosen to configure this server for a failover group. All servers in a failover group must share a unique signature, which is a string of 8 or more characters where at least two characters are letters and at least one is not. Enter signature: Re-enter signature: Restarting Sun Ray Data Store ... Stopping Sun Ray Data Store daemon Sun Ray Data Store daemon stopped Starting Sun Ray Data Store daemon . Mon Aug 9 12:31 : utdsd starting Adding user admin ... Failed to add user(s) to the list ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. *** The current policy has been modified. You must restart the authentication manager to activate the changes. *** --- And I reboot and most services come up (haven't tried connecting a DTU yet). When I log into the webgui it gives me this: Authentication Failed Unable to connect to the Sun Ray data store. Which is like impossible to google. Please help! -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag
[SunRay-Users] problems with utconfig on redhat
I'm using RHEL 5.5 + current updates, i386 version and I'm trying to install SRSS 4.2 Usually I never have problems with this, but this is first time I use this version of SRSS. Last version that worked for me was RHEL 5.4 + current updates and SRSS 4.2 EA 2 Everything installs pretty ok but when I configure utconfig I get this: --- ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) Added 18 new LDAP entries. Creating Sun Ray Server Software Configuration ... Adding user account for 'utwww' (ut admin web server user) ...Creating mailbox f ile: File exists useradd: warning: the home directory already exists. Not copying any file from skel directory into it. done Sun Ray Web Administration enabled to start at system boot. Starting Sun Ray Web Administration... See /var/opt/SUNWut/log/utwebadmin.log for server logging information. You have chosen to configure this server for a failover group. All servers in a failover group must share a unique signature, which is a string of 8 or more characters where at least two characters are letters and at least one is not. Enter signature: Re-enter signature: Restarting Sun Ray Data Store ... Stopping Sun Ray Data Store daemon Sun Ray Data Store daemon stopped Starting Sun Ray Data Store daemon . Mon Aug 9 12:31 : utdsd starting Adding user admin ... Failed to add user(s) to the list ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. ERROR: Could not retrieve policy. *** The current policy has been modified. You must restart the authentication manager to activate the changes. *** --- And I reboot and most services come up (haven't tried connecting a DTU yet). When I log into the webgui it gives me this: Authentication Failed Unable to connect to the Sun Ray data store. Which is like impossible to google. Please help! -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Linux support
sometimes or just freezes the USB functionality. And when it works it doesn't show up any icon on the desktop and how hard as it may seem, not all my users think it is intiutive to open up a Terminal and start using ut-commands. For this sole purpose we setup a dedicated workstation for people to use their USB-sticks. We've gotten many complaints about this but we can't do much about it. When we spoke to Sun concerning this they only said just read the manual. On this point it almost seems obvious that the manual was written before the software. Then there's stability. The DTUs are great and much better than PC workstations that get hardware failure all the time. We only need to reset a DTU like 2-3 times a month. (In Solaris it is less often). It almost always depends on the version of the SRSS, they are all different. My favourite is when a user logs in, then gets a powerfailure (or we insert a smart card and take it out). The DTU sometimes finds it session again, sometimes not. Then you can restart the DTU and it might find back (if it jumped server that is) but if it starts a new sessions on the same server you are just stuck until an admin comes and cleans out all the sessions including all the programs that the user had open that creates lockfiles etc. Starting KDE often crashes the entire server, including KDE-apps, so KDE is banned at our place. We moved from RHEL 4 to RHEL 5 so we could run Firefox 3.x. Now RHEL 5 takes more cpu and for some reason SRSS takes more load. Today we are three users (me and two secretaries) and the load is between 3.5 and 4.7 on a quadcore opteron 2,6 GHz with 16GB ram. The sound in my MP3 player stutters. Most cpu is taken by a process called GDM, if I kill it all DTUs die. On an idle system the load can be around 2.5. I've mentioned this on the list but without success. Another thing I've been missing in Sun Ray is IPv6. I haven't read up on the latest info but there's no IPv6 in the server I'm using right now, and the DTUs are heavily dependent on DHCP, a technology not really there in IPv6. You can whine all you like about IPv6 is not here yet and so on, I don't care. I've been using it since 1999, I've had it in serious production since 2008, I support it fully to all my users. And we are required by our ISP since 2004 to not buy products that are IPv4-only. I really hope Sun Ray will be the default thin-client technology of the future. IPv6 is already here and everybody will be forced to use it, whether they want to or not and when that day comes the advantage is to the ones with the most experience. Today the fields where we just can't deploy IPv6 in our organization are parts of the Solaris servers and Sun Ray, the rest is more or less already done. Also, a short notice on Sun Ray advocacy You should hand out DTUs to computer clubs! Cause there are the future admins born. Every admin I know personally I met in a computer club at a university or college. Another thing, the license - it is really hard to understand, I mean, really hard and confusing. I've seen people refuse to put DTUs on their networks cause they couldn't understand the license. Consider this lengthy email my contribution to the feedback-request. Sun Ray is excellent, I'm an advocate. Sun Ray is the best technology within desktop computing right now. But Sun Ray is not ready. If something in my email sounded harsh or had a strong tone, please point it out, I'm happy to proven wrong so I can go on being more positive. Greetings to everybody on the list! -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Linux support
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Wim Coekaerts wrote: Hi all, aside from the obvious issue with colormask (WIP) and yes it's clearly a big deal that is going to be addressed - what else is there that you'd want to see? XKB support -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] audio not working
On Wed, 19 May 2010, J.C.McNulty wrote: Hi, I have been reading the forums and I am still unable to get audio working on our Sun Rays Running Linux ES5 with SSRS 4.2 with the latest patch I have discovered that utaudio is not running or unable to start on login. Running the command manually I get the error: master control open: No such file or directory $AUDIODEV and $UTAUDIODEV are blank I have tried to install the utadem.ko module but I get the error: insmod:error inserting 'utadem.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated Every time you update the server (change kernel) you need to recompile the modules. Try this: cd /usr/src/SUNWut cd utadem make make install cd .. cd utdisk make make install cd .. cd utio make make install cd .. /sbin/depmod -a /etc/init.d/utsyscfg start (I have that in a script I run, no restart required) Don't forget to have the kernel-devel packages installed. (Sometimes you might need kernel-PAE-devel (if you run 32bit system with lots of memory) or kernel-smp-devel)). And not all applications respect the AUDIODEV setting. But firefox manages and XMMS and some other apps. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] No sound on SRSS 4.2/Fedora 12
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Aaron Wilson wrote: Fresh install of RHEL5 and SRSS I attempt the compile and get [r...@slosunray01 debugger]# gcc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl flashsupport-for-linux-sunray.c -o libflashsupport.so /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cckq5egN.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC /tmp/cckq5egN.o: could not read symbols: Bad value collect2: ld returned 1 exit status So then I tried it with -fPIC gcc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl -fPIC flashsupport-for-linux-sunray.c -o libflashsupport.so That didn't throw any errors, but I still get no sound in firefox :( * Is libflashsupport.so in /usr/lib/ ? * Have you done : export AUDIODEV=`utaudio` * Have you closed firefox and all other applications that might steal the sound, like mp3-players and rdesktop, etc * And most important: do you get sound at all? you can try this with the sound of god test which is: cat /boot/vmlinuz $AUDIODEV -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] No sound on SRSS 4.2/Fedora 12
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Hana Skoumalova wrote: Alexander Koponen wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Aaron Wilson wrote: Fresh install of RHEL5 and SRSS I attempt the compile and get [r...@slosunray01 debugger]# gcc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl flashsupport-for-linux-sunray.c -o libflashsupport.so /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cckq5egN.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC /tmp/cckq5egN.o: could not read symbols: Bad value collect2: ld returned 1 exit status So then I tried it with -fPIC gcc -shared -O2 -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl -fPIC flashsupport-for-linux-sunray.c -o libflashsupport.so That didn't throw any errors, but I still get no sound in firefox :( * Is libflashsupport.so in /usr/lib/ ? * Have you done : export AUDIODEV=`utaudio` * Have you closed firefox and all other applications that might steal the sound, like mp3-players and rdesktop, etc * And most important: do you get sound at all? you can try this with the sound of god test which is: cat /boot/vmlinuz $AUDIODEV I have a similar problem. First, I compiled libflashsupport.so with the option -m32, as I run a 64-bit OS. When I copy it to /usr/lib, SeaMonkey or Firefox (both are 32-bit versions) crashes. After removing that library from /usr/lib, the web browsers work, but flash has no sound. AUDIODEV is set to /tmp/SUNWut/dev/utaudio/utdsp-0 and the sound works. Hana I've seen several similar problems when i try to run 64-bit OS. Like wine not working, java needs to be 32bit for SRSS to run. Flash issues - i just ended up putting in 32bit OS instead. Not optimal but it gives me more functionality. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] No sound on SRSS 4.2/Fedora 12
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, SIMOND Gilles wrote:
Hello
I've also installed SRSS 4.2 on fedora 12, everything works, sound also
the only remainning problem (if you know how to solve it, you're welcome!)
flash videos are displayed with the wrong colors in web browsers
I use SRSS on RHEL 5 and my experiences are:
Some versions of flash gives wrong colors in web browsers.
Sound in flash can be solved with the patches from:
http://tobi.oetiker.ch/patches/
For some reason Gnome with SRSS defaults to volume = 0 and turning up the
volume gets sound.
The applications compete for the sound support, so if you run an audioapp
you might need to close it and restart firefox for firefox to get the
sound.
Everytime you update the kernel you need to recompile the utaudio, utadem,
utdisk modules...
Not everything works. It often boils down to whether the app respect the
AUDIODEV setting.
Also, SRSS sound emulates OSS not alsa. So set your app to OSS-sound or
some kind of OSS-emulation.
I had to configure pulse audio to get it work with the utaudio device
so I add the small script listed below
the script is in /etc/opt/SUNWut/xinitrc.d/0101.SUNWutaudio with a symbolic
link to it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/
Gilles Simond
==8===8===8===8=
#!/bin/bash
if [ ! x${UTAUDIODEV} == x ] ; then
if [ ! -d ${HOME}/.pulse ] ; then
mkdir ${HOME}/.pulse
fi
# create pulseaudio configuration for utaudio
PULSECONF=${HOME}/.pulse/default.pa
sed s|UTAUDIODEV|$UTAUDIODEV|g /opt/SUNWut/lib/utpulse.pa
${PULSECONF}
# create asoundrc for pulseaudio redirection
ASOUNDRC=${HOME}/.asoundrc
echo -n ${ASOUNDRC}
echo pcm.!default { ${ASOUNDRC}
echo type pulse ${ASOUNDRC}
echo } ${ASOUNDRC}
echo ctl.!default { ${ASOUNDRC}
echo type pulse ${ASOUNDRC}
echo } ${ASOUNDRC}
fi
==8===8===8===8=
On 08/03/2010 12:16, Hana Skoumalova wrote:
Hello,
I managed to install and configure SRSS 4.2 on Fedora 12, but I have
problems with sound.
On the system console, the sound works (so the problem is not in
Fedora-not-supporting-multimedia).
The env variables AUDIODEV and UTAUDIODEV are set to
/tmp/SUNWut/dev/utaudio/utdsp-0, the devices in /tmp/SUNWut/dev/utaudio
are created:
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-03-08 11:53 ./
drwxr-xr-x 3 root staff 4096 2010-03-08 11:07 ../
crw--- 1 skoumal staff 14, 3 2010-03-08 11:53 utdsp-0
prw--- 1 skoumal staff 0 2010-03-08 11:53 utdsp-0stat|
crw--- 1 skoumal staff 14, 0 2010-03-08 11:53 utmix-0
When I try to play something, the system pretends to play, but no sound
can be heard.
I even tried to replace the DTU, but the new one behaves exactly the
same way.
Can anyone help me to solve this problem?
Best regards,
Hana
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Re: [SunRay-Users] performance problems on RHEL5 + SRSS 4.2 EA2
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bob Doolittle wrote: Do you see anything helpful in the GDM log files: /var/log/gdm? -Bob There's 215 files there! Some are empty and some of them print out various messages: -- The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Warning: Symbol map for key KPEQ redefined Using last definition for conflicting fields Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list! Can't open /var/dt/bw.27 Can't open /var/dt/st.27 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod3, ignoring Mod2. Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server AUDIT: Sun Feb 14 19:48:33 2010: 3817 Xnewt: client 2 rejected from local host( uid=3079) AUDIT: Sun Feb 14 19:48:33 2010: 3817 Xnewt: client 2 rejected from local host( uid=3079) --- Now the weird thing is that /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc dir, it isn't there in RHEL5, there's a package called xorg-x11-fonts-misc.noarch but it is already installed! Other than that I don't get much clue out of this. Alexander Koponen wrote: I have RHEL 5 and SRSS 4.2 EA2 (no option of updating right now) Last system we used was RHEL 4 AS + SRSS 4.1 It worked as usual (everything is fine, USB doesn't work) But we had to move to RHEL 5 because RHEL 4 was just to old. Since then we've experienced performance problems. Load is often high (leading to stuttering sound in audio), programs takes time to start, authentication can take 5-10s instead of 0.5s, login can be slow and sometimes smartcard doesn't work. top shows that cpu is mostly idle (so it isn't a program hogging cpu) top shows lots of free ram, and no swap used network traffic is low and sound stutters occurs also when files are played from local filesystem - so it isn't our NFS vmstat shows r going between 1 and 20 vmstat shows b at a constant 1 syslog spews out loads of these: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 gdm-XKeepsCrashing: GDM can't start X server. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxconfig: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID and if i shut of syslogd vmstat show b = 0 and load goes down a bit. There's also LOADS of processes called gdm-binary. They last a couple of seconds, then respawn with a new PID, so I can't renice them. On a machine with 10 logged in users, there can be 30-80 gdm-binary processes. They pop up in top, taking 15% each like once every couple of seconds. This is becoming unbearable so I'd like some help on this. I suspect there is something wrong, something that keeps respawning that doesn't need to. I have the same problem on both my SunRay servers. I would be grateful for any eventual help. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] performance problems on RHEL5 + SRSS 4.2 EA2
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, Bob Doolittle wrote: The whining about /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc is normal, in my experience, and not a problem. However, those AUDIT messages I've never seen before. Do you perhaps have a firewall or other security-related policy causing problems? -Bob No, The SunRays have their own network segment, iptables has no rules on the sunray-server, selinux is set to permissive. So that would be a no. Alexander Koponen wrote: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Bob Doolittle wrote: Do you see anything helpful in the GDM log files: /var/log/gdm? -Bob There's 215 files there! Some are empty and some of them print out various messages: -- The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Warning: Symbol map for key KPEQ redefined Using last definition for conflicting fields Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list! Can't open /var/dt/bw.27 Can't open /var/dt/st.27 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod3, ignoring Mod2. Error:Mode_switch added to symbol map for multiple modifiers Using Mod2, ignoring Mod3. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server AUDIT: Sun Feb 14 19:48:33 2010: 3817 Xnewt: client 2 rejected from local host( uid=3079) AUDIT: Sun Feb 14 19:48:33 2010: 3817 Xnewt: client 2 rejected from local host( uid=3079) --- Now the weird thing is that /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc dir, it isn't there in RHEL5, there's a package called xorg-x11-fonts-misc.noarch but it is already installed! Other than that I don't get much clue out of this. Alexander Koponen wrote: I have RHEL 5 and SRSS 4.2 EA2 (no option of updating right now) Last system we used was RHEL 4 AS + SRSS 4.1 It worked as usual (everything is fine, USB doesn't work) But we had to move to RHEL 5 because RHEL 4 was just to old. Since then we've experienced performance problems. Load is often high (leading to stuttering sound in audio), programs takes time to start, authentication can take 5-10s instead of 0.5s, login can be slow and sometimes smartcard doesn't work. top shows that cpu is mostly idle (so it isn't a program hogging cpu) top shows lots of free ram, and no swap used network traffic is low and sound stutters occurs also when files are played from local filesystem - so it isn't our NFS vmstat shows r going between 1 and 20 vmstat shows b at a constant 1 syslog spews out loads of these: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 gdm-XKeepsCrashing: GDM can't start X server. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxconfig: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID and if i shut of syslogd vmstat show b = 0 and load goes down a bit. There's also LOADS of processes called gdm-binary. They last a couple of seconds, then respawn with a new PID, so I can't renice them. On a machine with 10 logged in users, there can be 30-80 gdm-binary processes. They pop up in top, taking 15% each like once every couple of seconds. This is becoming unbearable so I'd like some help on this. I suspect there is something wrong, something that keeps respawning that doesn't need to. I have the same problem on both my SunRay servers. I would be grateful for any eventual help. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM kopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander
[SunRay-Users] performance problems on RHEL5 + SRSS 4.2 EA2
I have RHEL 5 and SRSS 4.2 EA2 (no option of updating right now) Last system we used was RHEL 4 AS + SRSS 4.1 It worked as usual (everything is fine, USB doesn't work) But we had to move to RHEL 5 because RHEL 4 was just to old. Since then we've experienced performance problems. Load is often high (leading to stuttering sound in audio), programs takes time to start, authentication can take 5-10s instead of 0.5s, login can be slow and sometimes smartcard doesn't work. top shows that cpu is mostly idle (so it isn't a program hogging cpu) top shows lots of free ram, and no swap used network traffic is low and sound stutters occurs also when files are played from local filesystem - so it isn't our NFS vmstat shows r going between 1 and 20 vmstat shows b at a constant 1 syslog spews out loads of these: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID Feb 16 11:20:12 sunray0 gdm-XKeepsCrashing: GDM can't start X server. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxconfig: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Error: could not open file '/var/opt/SUNWut/displays/21' for reading. Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Feb 16 11:20:13 sunray0 utxsun: Can not determine token ID and if i shut of syslogd vmstat show b = 0 and load goes down a bit. There's also LOADS of processes called gdm-binary. They last a couple of seconds, then respawn with a new PID, so I can't renice them. On a machine with 10 logged in users, there can be 30-80 gdm-binary processes. They pop up in top, taking 15% each like once every couple of seconds. This is becoming unbearable so I'd like some help on this. I suspect there is something wrong, something that keeps respawning that doesn't need to. I have the same problem on both my SunRay servers. I would be grateful for any eventual help. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Flash sound on RHEL 5.4 and SRSS 4.1
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Detlev Habicht wrote: Well, i am trying to use flash and firefox on RHEL 5.4 and SRSS 4.1. firefox will work with unsetenv LD_PRELOAD (using gnome). Then i tried to use flash as described here: http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/Sound But i think, the situation with RHEL 5.4 changed. I have to compile flashsupport in this way: gcc -shared -Wall -Werror -licuuc -lssl -Wno-deprecated-declarations -fPIC flashsupport.c -o libflashsupport.so But, of course, sound doesn't work. I had the same problem, but this modified flashsupport.c works! http://tobi.oetiker.ch/patches/ And i have also wrong colors with flash 9 AND with flash 10. Is here anyone running flash on RHEL 5.4 and SRSS 4.1 Thanx for any help. Detlev -- Detlev | Institut fuer Mikroelektronische Systeme Habicht | D-30167 Hannover +49 511 76219662 habi...@ims.unihannover.de + Handy+49 172 5415752 --- ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Is there a recommended way to patch Linux?
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Detlev Habicht wrote: Hi all, is there a recommended way to patch Linux? I am working normally more with Solaris, so i have some knowhow problems with Linux. My problem in one example: When i want to use Sun Ray Software 5 and Sun Ray Soft Client 1.0 Early Access 1 (EA1), i see as platform Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 U3. When i install RHEL 5.3 and start package update (or in the past up2date) i will get all patches and then i am running RHEL 5.4 now. So, what can i patch? Can i patch the kernel or can i only use the kernel coming with 5.3? When i use the initial kernel from 5.3, can i patch all the other packages? I usually do default install of latest RHEL server Then i update it (i used to run SRSS 4.0 on RHEL 4u6) (Right now I'm using RHEL-server 5u3 + all updates and SRSS 4.2 EA1) Then i install the packages SRSS need Then i install srss (reboots and stuff) -- I run system updates now and then. If I forget GDM I'm usually stuck, sometimes I reinstall If the kernel is updated I usually loose sound and USB but then I run this: 1. update kernel 2. reboot 3. run this: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/src/SUNWut cd utadem make make install cd .. cd utdisk make make install cd .. cd utio make make install cd .. /sbin/depmod -a /etc/init.d/utsyscfg start and then it works again - like new! -- I'm still experimenting with SRSS 4.2 EA1 and RHEL 5 I just put it in production - I have lot's of problems, mostly with RHEL 5 being less mature than RHEL 4. I miss having fonts in emacs but I don't miss the lack of Firefox 3 in RHEL 4 When I'm done with my experiments I will as usual put out a complete howto on my SRSS-linux page. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Is there a recommended way to patch Linux?
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Steven M. Dodier wrote: Hi Alexander, Even though I am still on RHEL 4 and SRSS 4.0, I wanted to pass these fixes I have done for xemacs and font issues: Changing the LANG setting in /etc/sysconfig/i18n from en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en to en_US Fixes a font error in xemacs about Can't get fontset reource xemacs isn't available in RHEL5 - it is removed, deliberately. I'm trying to get the tarball to work, but it is painful. Sometimes I wish I had real power and would set the policies at Red Hat and SUN, then these things would never happen :) Also, what you are suggesting is going from UNICODE/UTF-8 to ASCII/ISO-8859-1 again - this is not an option for us. We made full UNICODE transition around 2004, and I surely don't wanna go back now just because RHEL5 messed up a couple of fonts. We are an International research institute, we mix Swedish, scandinavian, french, german and english all the time - ASCII just doesn't cut it for us. Also, just touching this file: /etc/opt/SUNWut/ut_disable_glyphcache Fixes a font issue in xemacs where the text is sometimes unreadable, and also a RHEL font issue on the login and unlock screens. I know, somebody told me this some time ago - To bad these hints aren't available in documentation. Sorry if I'm ranting today, but I worked a lot past weeks with many things that just doesn't work. -- Alexander I know there can be many version differences, but maybe this will help you with your emacs font problem. Good luck, Steve D. Alexander Koponen wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Detlev Habicht wrote: Hi all, is there a recommended way to patch Linux? I am working normally more with Solaris, so i have some knowhow problems with Linux. My problem in one example: When i want to use Sun Ray Software 5 and Sun Ray Soft Client 1.0 Early Access 1 (EA1), i see as platform Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 U3. When i install RHEL 5.3 and start package update (or in the past up2date) i will get all patches and then i am running RHEL 5.4 now. So, what can i patch? Can i patch the kernel or can i only use the kernel coming with 5.3? When i use the initial kernel from 5.3, can i patch all the other packages? I usually do default install of latest RHEL server Then i update it (i used to run SRSS 4.0 on RHEL 4u6) (Right now I'm using RHEL-server 5u3 + all updates and SRSS 4.2 EA1) Then i install the packages SRSS need Then i install srss (reboots and stuff) -- I run system updates now and then. If I forget GDM I'm usually stuck, sometimes I reinstall If the kernel is updated I usually loose sound and USB but then I run this: 1. update kernel 2. reboot 3. run this: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/src/SUNWut cd utadem make make install cd .. cd utdisk make make install cd .. cd utio make make install cd .. /sbin/depmod -a /etc/init.d/utsyscfg start and then it works again - like new! -- I'm still experimenting with SRSS 4.2 EA1 and RHEL 5 I just put it in production - I have lot's of problems, mostly with RHEL 5 being less mature than RHEL 4. I miss having fonts in emacs but I don't miss the lack of Firefox 3 in RHEL 4 When I'm done with my experiments I will as usual put out a complete howto on my SRSS-linux page. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM kopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Is there a recommended way to patch Linux?
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Detlev Habicht wrote: Thank for your hints. Very kindly. Did you have any experience with RHEL 5.4??? Detlev P.S.: I just installed 5.3, started pup and see a lot of packages .. ;-) Then i see it: 5.4 is available. 5.3 + updates = 5.4 (if 5.4 is out) I didn't know 5.4 is out, so I'm acutally already running it. :) It usually works, I haven't had troubles yet, but I'm still in evaluation of RHEL5 (Im' just dying to get the official SUN Ubuntu support - or good Linux support in general for that matter) Am 03.09.2009 um 15:31 schrieb Alexander Koponen: On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Detlev Habicht wrote: Hi all, is there a recommended way to patch Linux? I am working normally more with Solaris, so i have some knowhow problems with Linux. My problem in one example: When i want to use Sun Ray Software 5 and Sun Ray Soft Client 1.0 Early Access 1 (EA1), i see as platform Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 U3. When i install RHEL 5.3 and start package update (or in the past up2date) i will get all patches and then i am running RHEL 5.4 now. So, what can i patch? Can i patch the kernel or can i only use the kernel coming with 5.3? When i use the initial kernel from 5.3, can i patch all the other packages? I usually do default install of latest RHEL server Then i update it (i used to run SRSS 4.0 on RHEL 4u6) (Right now I'm using RHEL-server 5u3 + all updates and SRSS 4.2 EA1) Then i install the packages SRSS need Then i install srss (reboots and stuff) -- I run system updates now and then. If I forget GDM I'm usually stuck, sometimes I reinstall If the kernel is updated I usually loose sound and USB but then I run this: 1. update kernel 2. reboot 3. run this: #!/bin/sh cd /usr/src/SUNWut cd utadem make make install cd .. cd utdisk make make install cd .. cd utio make make install cd .. /sbin/depmod -a /etc/init.d/utsyscfg start and then it works again - like new! -- I'm still experimenting with SRSS 4.2 EA1 and RHEL 5 I just put it in production - I have lot's of problems, mostly with RHEL 5 being less mature than RHEL 4. I miss having fonts in emacs but I don't miss the lack of Firefox 3 in RHEL 4 When I'm done with my experiments I will as usual put out a complete howto on my SRSS-linux page. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
I installed RHEL5 U3 + updates + restart After this I tried SRSS 4.2 EA1 without success After this I tries SRSS 4.1 with same problem The server seems fine, I configure up utadm and utconfig without problem, webgui works like I'm used too, but the DTU hangs at 26D Now this means that i waits for graphics, but I can't find any more info. utdesktop -l -w shows: $ sbin/utdesktop -l -w Desktop ID Location No-Session (H:M:S) -- 00144fxx 0:3:20 1 desktop currently in error state without a session. $ I don't understand anymore what could be the problem. I've been running SRSS 4.0 on RHEL4 for some time now, so I've got it working before. At first I thought the SRSS 4.2 EA1 was faulty (like EA:s have been before), but I get the same in 4.1... :/ Any clues? -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 oyste...@pvv.ntnu.no wrote: [snip] The server seems fine, I configure up utadm and utconfig without problem, webgui works like I'm used too, but the DTU hangs at 26D Now this means that i waits for graphics, but I can't find any more info. [snip] Any clues? The most common reason for this is that you've forgotten to configure your firewall to allow SunRay traffic. RHEL's firewall is on by default, and also blocks this traffic as default. That's the only thing I can think of. HTH Øystein That is true, good tip, but I already thought of that. sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop was done -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, John Francis wrote: Did you reboot the server after utadm? Also a utrestart -c after the reboot might be an idea. Yes, several times. I tried utsession -k reboot cold utrestart reinstalling srss i get this error all the time. does anyone have SRSS 4.1 or SRSS 4.2 actually running on RHEL 5? and if so, in ia32 or ia64 ? On Aug 7, 2009 8:48 PM, Alexander Koponen kopo...@mittag-leffler.se wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 oyste...@pvv.ntnu.no wrote: [snip] The server seems fine, I configure up uta... That is true, good tip, but I already thought of that. sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop was done -- Alexander Alexander ... ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 oyste...@pvv.ntnu.no wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, John Francis wrote: i get this error all the time. does anyone have SRSS 4.1 or SRSS 4.2 actually running on RHEL 5? and if so, in ia32 or ia64 ? I run 4.1 on CentOS 5.3 (IA32), which should be ~identical to RHEL 5. I had some problems because I'd forgotten to install tftp, and thus was unable to update the DTU firmware, but I don't remember if that got me stuck at 26D. Øystein Ironically we got RHEL-licenses just to run a supported version of Linux on our Sun Ray servers. Gah, I really don't wanna run RHEL4 another term, I'm sooo tired of not having firefox3. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Kaya Saman wrote: I run 4.1 on CentOS 5.3 (IA32), which should be ~identical to RHEL 5. I had some problems because I'd forgotten to install tftp, and thus was unable to update the DTU firmware, but I don't remember if that got me stuck at 26D. Øystein Ironically we got RHEL-licenses just to run a supported version of Linux on our Sun Ray servers. Gah, I really don't wanna run RHEL4 another term, I'm sooo tired of not having firefox3. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users I am no RH expert but I do run CentOS 5.3 for Collaboration suite servers and I think by default RH/Cent/Fedora use the Shorewall Firewall not IPtables. Again I am not sure if this is the case with you but perhaps it might be an idea!! Check ls /etc/init.d/ to see whats in there if there is something called shorewall or so It might be your issue :-) --Kaya No, that's not it. Never heard of shorewall before, and there is no shorewall script in there, or anywhere on the box for that matter. I don't think it is a Linux problem, I think it is an SRSS 4.1 / 4.2 problem - I've seen problems like this before, but in those cases only people who are actually working with the software managed to answer my questions. I mean, it halts at 26D, that means it has a connection (it even manages to setup DTU encryption if I enable it!) it just doesn't retrieve the graphics. SO i suspect it is something with GDM, X or the like. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] problem installing SRSS 4.1 on RHEL5
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Meik Hellmund wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Koponen kopo...@mittag-leffler.se wrote: manages to setup DTU encryption if I enable it!) it just doesn't retrieve the graphics. SO i suspect it is something with GDM, X or the like. Are the SRSS additions in gdm.conf? They look like # SUNWut BEGIN - do not edit [daemon] VTAllocation=false DynamicXServers=true Greeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmgreeter RebootCommand= HaltCommand= XKeepsCrashing=/etc/opt/SUNWut/gdm/XKeepsCrashing.sunray # SUNWut END Thanks, but they were there, however, tge Greeter-line reads: /usr/libexec/gdmgreeter (however i just sovled it, my next post is the solution) -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] ipv6 support
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Stoyan Angelov wrote: hi all, can we expect to see some ipv6 support in the coming srss release? greetings, Stoyan Yeah, I'm wondering this too. We've deployed IPv6 on many services here, but SunRay is missing. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Remote access to Linux hosts (Kiosk, SmartCard)
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Bob Doolittle wrote: CJ Keist wrote: Detlev, I assume you're looking for a full desktop session to the linux host? Look into Sun Global Desktop(not free) or /usr/X11/bin/Xephyr (free). Another idea, that I'm working on, is to make the linux host a stand alone SRSS server and then use the following command to do the same thing: /opt/SUNWut/bin/utswitch -r -h linux_hostname The benefit of this is that if you have more than one linux host to connect to the SRSS software will take care of load balancing among the linux stations. The downside is getting SRSS to work on linux can be a challenge. Only if you use an unsupported Linux distro. It should work out-of-box for our supported distros, with as little issue as on Solaris. I've used SRSS on RHEL 4 AS for a couple of years. Everything except USB-sticks works out of the box. I haven't tried latest version of SRSS, or running on RHEL 5. I wouldn't be to afraid for buying RHEL either. It can be very pricy, but EDU-licenses are really cheap. (You said it was for a lesson?). We got 95% discount from redhat on EDU-licenses. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLMkopo...@mittag-leffler.se SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] Windows Connector 2.0 crashes
I have a bug that just emerged, it is reproduceable. I'm using SRSS 4.0 on RHEL AS 4.6 (fully updated) with SRWC 2.0 and when a user logs into to Windows via RDP it crashes after a time. With uttsc the session works until the mouse reaches the top, the a small bar comes down in the middle where I can minimize the uttsc window, here it crashes - every time. This problem is consistent with several different Windows-TS-accounts, from several different Linux-accounts. I don't know what to do, shall I just tell my user Sorry, fullscreen doesn't work. The problem appeared a couple of days ago, probably at the same time when I did a Windows Update on my Windows 2003 Server and restarted it. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Flash and Sound
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Knut Talman wrote: Hi, did anyone manage to hear a sound when playing flash videos from youtube or similar? I can try whatever I want, my Sun Ray is silent. Other sound (xmms etc) is working. I am using SRSS 4 w/ latest patchset in CentOS 5. I got sound in flash with RHEL 4.6 and latest SRSS (I had sound in several versions of SRSS) 1. make sure modules utadem and utio are compiled for your current kernel and are enabled 2. make sure you don't run any stuff that crashes a SunRay, like KDE, artsd, and so on 3. make sure no other application is holding the sound device, i run firefox (with flash) and xmms and rdesktop/uttsc. I often need to restart firefox so it will understand it has sound. I do this by always always always running gnome-terminal -e firefox this way i can kill the terminal and relaunch and get the nice restore desktop feature of firefox. I only suffer from this when I want to check youtube :) -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] PDF issues on x86
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Robert Prendergast wrote: I know that Adobe seems to refuse to compile an x86 version of Reader, but I was wondering if anyone has successfully found any better alternatives. Any help is appreciated. I know this will sound controversial to some... but - this is one of the main reasons we run Sun Ray Linux (inspite it's problems). However I doubt this will help you today. (Aren't we all tired of: Hi, I have problems with this software - Run something else! (instead of giving help)) -- You could: 1. Run evince 2. Run BrandZ (or another virtualization software) with Linux and then make acroread be an alias for ssh -X linuxmachine acroread - This was the suggestion by SUN's representative when he came out to look at our system. 3. Have a dedicated Linuxbox that does the same as above but without virtualization. We were really near to run with option 3 ourselves (since we bought SUN-AMD machines cause the UltraSPARC ones were 4 times as expensive) but just a week before deployment SRSS 4.0 early access release came and just worked - so we ran with that. -- Opinion: (skip this part and you'll be less likely to be bitter like me) I think some fail to realize how important acroread are to some unix users. The real reason why acroread ain't available for solaris x86 still eludes me - but if I were in power I would pay anything to get it. (I would also pay anything for Adobe Acrobat for Unix/Linux - but I've concluded (since I met Adobe last time) that this will never ever happen). -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
RE: [SunRay-Users] SunRay RTU discussion...
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Partington, David R Mr CTR USA wrote: I don't see an issue with the RTU cost, we buy the RTU and Sun Ray Software as part of our annual maintenance. We currently have over 3500 Sun Rays Deployed, with a additional 1500 due to be installed before October. We run our entire Sun ray infrastructure with 2 administrators. I would like to see anyone deploy 5000 Linux or Windows based PC systems and manage them with 2 people. Deploying Sun Rays across our campus saves 70% over PC deployment in annual costs. For application availability, we offer Solaris desktops, Linux VM's, Windows XP VM's, and Windows Terminal Services. Sun marketing has a challenge, since Sun Rays are part of desktop sales they don't really make a profit. However Sun Ray's sell servers, and server sales are a different marketing branch. There are many factors that effect the cost per seat, the RTU cost is minimal. Yes, I agree that SUN should have their money for their product. But why buy a Sun Ray and then an RTU? Isn't it easier just to buy the Sun Ray and with it comes the RTU. Like I have a right to use the hardware I bought. I had lots of problems buying RTUs, but never buying Sun Rays. Why separate two things when you have to buy them both anyway. That's like buying a laptop that doesn't have a screen. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] 64 Bit Linux Support
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, ottomeister wrote: On 9/2/07, Jimmy Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, that is understandable. Is Sun planning on supporting SLES10 soon? It's on the wish list for the next release. Whether it makes it from the wish list onto the committed feature list depends on how many customers ask for it. We ask for it. We ask for many things but have by SUN and it's retailers been sent to this mailinglist for every question we have. So we have been passive. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] User directories on NFS mounted drive
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, David Baron wrote: Dear All I am going to run SRS on RHEL with full desktop. Is it possible to create user's home directory on NFS mounted NAS Storage. If it is possible then how it should be automatically mounted for all users.Please help. I run SRS on RHEL with NFS. But I just export a big /nfs (from y fileserver) and mount it on RHEL on /nfs and then point all userdirs there. Usually by: cd / mv /home /home-dist ln -s /nfs/home /home mv /var/mail /var/mail-dist ln -s /nfs/mail /var/mail =) Thanking you in advance. Regards / David -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Running SRSS on RH/FC/Linux?
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How hard or how bad is it to run SRSS on Redhat Linux or Fedora Core? I have my notes on how to install (which I find easy) on http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/ http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php I recommend RHEL. I don't recommend FC. FC is s sinking ship in my opinion. I'm looking forward seeing SUN-support on ubuntu. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Whats the point of SRSS on linux these days?
Since 8 years back I work as a sysadmin at a math institute/thinktank. For as long as I've been here we've used Linux (but we used to have Solaris way back). With around 40 PC-workstations breaking all the time (warranting for the term adidas-technician) Sun Ray (with Linux) was a WARM welcome. We used it for a year now with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 and we love it. We even had hardware X-Terminals here when I came here but it was terrible, why I don't remember only that Sun Ray Linux made my job easier! We tried using Sun Ray with Solaris but got stuck on several places. In my opinion Solaris consumes more hardware resources. And not to forget, Linux has more applications, more support out there and is easier for me. At first SRSS on Linux was buggy and we seriously considered running Solaris for a year but there just were to many things that didn't work for us. For instance, we HAVE TO use Acrobat Reader, no clones. We did not feel like buying Sun-Servers with UltraSPARC because they were 4 times as expensive as the Sun-Servers with AMD Opteron we got. We even talked with SUN Sweden about this, and their reply was we're sorry, we can't provide Acrobat Reader for Solaris x86 but you could run Linux in BrandZ. *sigh* There are more programs like this we can't be without. Somehow that SRSS early release last year saved us so we could run Sun Ray Linux and I'm looking forward to more support from SUN with SRSS Linux. I challenge everyone on this list to come up with a better solution for our needs than running Sun Ray Linux. I haven't seen anything better. -- I'll save all talk about multimedia since this thread is clearly not about that. I'll save all my bugreports and opinions about Sun Ray Linux since this thread is clearly about the need for Sun Ray Linux, not what's bad with it. Simply, I haven't found anything better yet. -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Whats the point of SRSS on linux these days?
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Meik Hellmund wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:01:57 +0200 (CEST) Alexander Koponen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since 8 years back I work as a sysadmin at a math institute/thinktank. ... I challenge everyone on this list to come up with a better solution for our needs than running Sun Ray Linux. I haven't seen anything better. Nice challenge. Do your users need some commercial Computer Algebra Systems? The three big M's Mathematica, Maple and Matlab are available for Linux in 32bit and 64bit versions (and here 64 bit is really important, computer algebra programs can be very memory-hungry. It is not that difficult to reach the 4GByte limit of the 32bit world). The only one of those three which is available for Solaris/x86 is Mathematica. Regards, Meik Yes, we use Matlab and Maple (and we consider getting Mathematica). In addition to every custommade program done in C by our visitors and mathematicians. I haven't tried enabling the programs in 64bit (but IIRC SRSS-Linux is for 32bit only). -- Alexander Alexander Koponen System Administrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone: +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Sun x64 servers
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im planning to buy a couple of Sun x64 servers to deploy 20-30 SunRay users in them, i have to use RHEL 4 btw. Any suggestion for the specs of the servers would be much appreciated :) I got two Sun X4200 (with 2 dualcore opteron (that's 4 * 2,6GHz ) and 16GB ram in each, dual PSU, raid1 for the systemdisk) running RHEL AS 4 with 25 users. It runs fine and I got 25 mathematicians doing mostly browsing, email, and sometimes matlab. I'm very pleased. The system will later run 40 users and I wont need another server for this. http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x4200/ Do note that I run all this in 32bit mode. I even wrote a quick howto (but i didn't document the redundancy step yet) http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php You can go from a new uninstalled server to a running system in a couple of hours since they are Red Hat certified. \o/ Good luck. -- Alexander ps: i guess you could manage with slower machines, but I wouldn't do it. This is my personal opinion. Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] sound in RHEL4
I just don't get sound in RHEL4. I installed RHEL AS 4 Update 4 up2date -u up2date -u -f kernel up2date -u -f kernel-devel reboot then i install JRE and SRSS (4 10/06) and it runs fine as usual but i just don't get any sound. The installer hints that it installed sound, I have utadem running. But besides system bleeps I just don't get anything. I tried this before with better results, but not optimal results (See http://www.mail-archive.com/sunray-users@filibeto.org/msg05005.html) Complete logs of my install is available at http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php Honestly, has any got sound to work with RHEL AS 4 ? -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Quick Question...
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Alexander Koponen wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Jay Barker wrote: The rpm helps. However now it stucks on the GDM-replacement. This is much easier on RHEL4. I'm stuck that I can't install GDM (check http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php) Today I made a successful RHEL 4U4 installation. I fulyl documented it and put it on the regular page mentioned above. -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Quick Question...
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: Just a very quick question... Has anyone tried to get SSRS v4 running on Fedora Core 5 ? I really need to get the SunRays working with a Core 5 Backend for a project that we are running with SGD. Can anyone give me any advice ? I tried but I don't remember how far I came. I know that I stumbled on that the GDm greeter crashed (which can be fixed with a symlink) I know that the installer had problems executing (which can be fixed by opening the installscript in an editor, search for the error message and then you remove a check or create a dir or something like that) But this info is slightly lucid for me since it was long ago. However, I'm pretty sure it would work if I gave it time. However, do not base your entire conclusion (which you will build your production environment on) on my thoughts in this mail. -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Quick Question...
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Alexander Koponen wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: Just a very quick question... Has anyone tried to get SSRS v4 running on Fedora Core 5 ? I really need to get the SunRays working with a Core 5 Backend for a project that we are running with SGD. Can anyone give me any advice ? I tried but I don't remember how far I came. I know that I stumbled on that the GDm greeter crashed (which can be fixed with a symlink) I know that the installer had problems executing (which can be fixed by opening the installscript in an editor, search for the error message and then you remove a check or create a dir or something like that) But this info is slightly lucid for me since it was long ago. However, I'm pretty sure it would work if I gave it time. However, do not base your entire conclusion (which you will build your production environment on) on my thoughts in this mail. -- Alexander I got intrigued by the hack - to get SRSS on FC5 - so I sat today with it. I'm still at the point where I can't run the installer. Earlier problems on this list suggests replacing ksh (aka KSH-93) with pdksh. However, there is no way to get it via yum and I find no RPM. I tried installing the tarball but it just wont compile. I'm at the point actually where it is really un-userfriendly. My notes are here: http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Quick Question...
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Jay Barker wrote: Hello, I got intrigued by the hack - to get SRSS on FC5 - so I sat today with it. I'm still at the point where I can't run the installer. Earlier problems on this list suggests replacing ksh (aka KSH-93) with pdksh. However, there is no way to get it via yum and I find no RPM. I tried installing the tarball but it just wont compile. I'm at the point actually where it is really un-userfriendly. My notes are here: http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php I have got past the issue with ksh by installing pdksh that is included in CentOS 4.4, but i am not sure if anything else needs to be done after installing SRSS to get it working on Core5 ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/CentOS/4.4/os/i386/CentOS/RPMS/pdksh-5.2.14-30.3.i386.rpm Hope this Helps The rpm helps. However now it stucks on the GDM-replacement. This is much easier on RHEL4. I'll keep trying. (Are you trying?) -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] Quick Question...
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Jay Barker wrote: The rpm helps. However now it stucks on the GDM-replacement. This is much easier on RHEL4. I'm stuck that I can't install GDM (check http://www.mittag-leffler.se/~koponen/sunray.php) I'll keep trying. (Are you trying?) -- Alexander Indeed, I have got a Core 5 box on my desk at the moment, but i cannot get the machine to boot, GDM does not load. Any ideas? Could this be of help? http://www.mail-archive.com/sunray-users@filibeto.org/msg04965.html -- Alexander Alexander KoponenSystemadministrator Institut Mittag-Leffler phone (mon-thu): +46 8 622 05 75 Auravagen 17fax: +46 8 622 05 89 SE-182 60 DJURSHOLM[EMAIL PROTECTED] SWEDEN http://www.mittag-leffler.se/ ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] X fonts gets very strange
Some times (and more often for certain users) I get a really annoying screw up with the fonts in Red Hat AS 4 U3. When I start xemacs or emacs or xcalc (and sometimes even Xscreensaver) the text that make out the menus (and in emacs also the text in the buffer) gets really weird. Some lettes are really huge, some are small, looks like dyslexia or something. One can work with the program but it is impossible to work with it in practical terms. The only solution so far has been to restart the application. Any hints? -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] GDM problem
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, ottomeister wrote: On 10/26/06, Alexander Koponen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ env -u DISPLAY /bin/ksh -x /usr/bin/gdmgreeter + UNAME=/bin/uname + LOGGER=/bin/logger + GREETER_PROG= + /bin/uname -p + ISA=athlon + GREETER_PROG=/usr/bin/gdmgreeter-athlon + [ ! -e /usr/bin/gdmgreeter-athlon ] + /bin/logger gdmgreeter[20964]: file /usr/bin/gdmgreeter-athlon not found! /usr/bin/gdmgreeter[30]: /bin/logger: not found + exit 1 $ You are running a pre-FCS version of the gdmgreeter script. If you install the final release of 3.1.1 then this problem should go away. As an immediate workaround you can create a symlink named gdmgreeter-athlon in /usr/bin and point it at gdmgreeter-i386. OttoM. __ ottomeister Awesome! It works! Big thanks! -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] Sound in Linux
Hi, I installed RHEL AS 4 Update 3 on a machine, default install, followed by all updates (including kernel) and then I added kernel-devel package. After this I installed JRE followed by SRSS 3.1.1. All installation steps went smoothly and it works. My problem is sound. It is working but not as I like it. I can log into GNOME and open up a terminal and use play soundfile.wav. It sounds nice and everything, but it only works once. After it played it will sound garbled the next time, really garbled. The garble runs for like 2 seconds and then the progam exits. This behaviour is consistent until I log out and then log back in. Then I can play a soundfile, once more. Help? -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] GDM problem
Hi, I install RHEL AS 4 Update 3, default install, followed by JRE and SRSS 3.1.1 and I never get GDM to work properly. I can get everything going except that when GDM is supposed to start i instead get a screen that says: The greeter program appers to be crashing. I will attempt to use a different one. And then it starts XDM and everything works fine. This is consistent 100%. I get it on RHEL AS4 U3, with or without running up2date -u after install I get it with SRSS 3.0, SRSS 3.1, SRSS 3.1.1 I even tried not installing the GDM-upgrade from SUN but the utinstall-scripts doesn't like that. I mean is it supposed to work like this? At least the GDM-package should work, not crash! Is this the supposed way for the patch to work? I'm worried since I specifically bought a Red Hat license just because it was supported, but I have yet to see SRSS-installer work perfectly, that is not messing up my GDM. Help and comments on the matter would be appreciated. Has anyone else experienced this? I get it on every system I install. -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
[SunRay-Users] What happened to RTU EDU?
I was just about to buy a 20 piece RTU for EDU when my retail said that it is no longer available. The pricedifference from a single RTU and the 20-piece RTU EDU is a vast difference for me. -- Alexander ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
